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PTT facts for Big Orange

hot_md_guy

Aug 21, 2005, 3:23 PM
No, the Nokia 6102 or 6682 will NOT be push to talk.

There will be two launch models. Samsung SGH D357 and LG 7200.

Pricing will likely be like a bolt on. Ex: $10 a month for unlimited service.

Overall network latency will be FASTER then Nextel.

Although Kodiak is employed by other carriers such as Alltel, Cingulars PTT will NOT be compatible. (in other words, you can't PTT anyone outside of Cingular)
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marufio

Aug 21, 2005, 4:14 PM
Well that sucks! So much for PTT for Cingular. Maybe in another 2yrs. we will somethin better for in Cingular in terms of PTT. Taking them long enough in getting new phones.
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muchdrama

Aug 21, 2005, 6:48 PM
hot_md_guy said:
Overall network latency will be FASTER then Nextel.



Although I'd LOVE for this to be true, I've got to express some skepticism here. Faster than Nextel? I'll believe it when I see it.
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timslo

Aug 29, 2005, 7:52 PM
Yeah, I don't see it happening. Evil or Very Mad
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dcarey96

Nov 28, 2005, 2:59 PM
Yes I have tested both products at a cingular market training and it is just as fast as nextel.
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dcarey96

Nov 28, 2005, 3:00 PM
Its fast and good
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nextel18

Aug 21, 2005, 8:38 PM
"Overall network latency will be FASTER then Nextel."

that is impossible becuase nextel's latency is under 1 second when kodiak's at least 2-3 seconds. it will not be faster then nextel becuase of that plus iden was built for ptt while gsm wasnt.

it will not be faster, but it will be over a strong network though. (but we learned about that quickly. meaning verizon and sprint has bigger networks and their ptt was horrible.)

good luck.
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hot_md_guy

Aug 21, 2005, 10:41 PM
actually, Nextel's latency when in a PTT conversation with multiple burst...(ie, beep...pause...beep...)is: 0.5 or for those not of knowledge, half a second. Very impressive.

Cingulars?

0.1

Thats right. a TENTH of a second.

WHOOOO!
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colione112

Aug 21, 2005, 11:01 PM
are you sure about the compatibility thing? we've been told it would be inter-carrier... with the exception of nextel.
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nextel18

Aug 21, 2005, 11:38 PM
also, cingular wont beat out nextel with this just like sprint and verizon didnt have any effect. kodiak, on its on is a pretty good solution, but when it will be over gsm or gprs using voip it will be bad.

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everyone knows that nextel's ptt is instant.

i am going to say this just like i said about verizon's and sprint's push to talk, that cingular's push to talk will not get many subscribers and will fail against nextel.

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http://www.forbes.com/personaltech/2004/02/25/cx_al_ ... »

"Should the two carriers decide to push ahead with the technology, they might be tempted to try Kodiak, if only because it may solve some of the delay problems that have analysts complaining. Kodiak's technology is not as...
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dugandaniel

Aug 22, 2005, 12:04 PM
Who is this Nextel we keep speaking of? They do not exist anymore. SPRINT will get rid of iden as soon as it can because they want 3g over everything.

Stop fighting for your company, they don't exist anymore. Change your screen name to SPRINT18 and accept that you have been assimilated
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nextel18

Aug 23, 2005, 5:04 AM
actualy nextel does exist. the network will exist till at at least 2010. please do some research.

it isnt 3g that they are going to do it is 4g and watch out for that.

is that all you have to say, about my post? how pathetic.
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muchdrama

Aug 23, 2005, 7:48 AM
nextel18 said:
actualy nextel does exist. the network will exist till at at least 2010. please do some research.

it isnt 3g that they are going to do it is 4g and watch out for that.

is that all you have to say, about my post? how pathetic.


At least he makes an attempt at proper grammar.
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MattFoley

Aug 25, 2005, 12:40 PM
I'll settle for proper grammar... especially over a completely jaded opinion. That's just me...
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MattFoley

Aug 25, 2005, 12:58 PM
"Stop fighting for your company, they don't exist anymore. Change your screen name to SPRINT18 and accept that you have been assimilated"

dugandaniel: LOL... Simply awesome. I applaud you. Standing ovation. I'll even throw in a slow clap.
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muchdrama

Aug 22, 2005, 2:30 PM
nextel18 said:
also, cingular wont beat out nextel with this just like sprint and verizon didnt have any effect. kodiak, on its on is a pretty good solution, but when it will be over gsm or gprs using voip it will be bad.

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everyone knows that nextel's ptt is instant.

i am going to say this just like i said about verizon's and sprint's push to talk, that cingular's push to talk will not get many subscribers and will fail against nextel.

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http://www.forbes.com/personaltech/2004/02/25/cx_al_ ... »

"Should the two carriers decide to push ahead with the technology, they might be tempted to try Kodiak, if only because it may solve some of the delay problems that have analysts complai
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MattFoley

Aug 25, 2005, 12:56 PM
I'm not sure that you understand what you are talking about. I undertstand that would not be a first for you, so I will explain my point.

You said the following:

"kodiak solution on its on is very good, but as mentioned before when it goes onto gsm or cdma its terrible.

Kodiak's solution is based on GSM and CDMA technology. You say that it is a good solution on it's own. To say that adding it TO GSM and CDMA makes it "terrible" is simply idiotic. If it's solution is "very good", then using it how it has been designed can not be "terrible." The statement contradicts itself.

Good luck... but I stand by my statement.
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jex

Aug 25, 2005, 3:11 AM
In terms of PTT on GPRS (which that feb 04 forbes article is heavy on) of course voip latency will be slower than Nextel but Cingular is already close to launching UMTS (limited cities in 2006, and full launch in 2007). The majority of those articles posted refer mainly to 2/2.5 GPRS/EDGE, once UMTS launches (already testing in my area; SF Bay Area), it's gonna crush Sprint-Nextel. Plus GSM voice quality definitely a must...
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nextel18

Aug 25, 2005, 6:31 AM
it wont crush nextel-sprint with push to talk. that wont happen. sorry.


again 2-3 seconds vs sub second to 1 second doesnt show that kodiak and cingular will beat nextel-sprint.
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timslo

Aug 29, 2005, 8:03 PM
I think that because Nextel and Sprint merged, although the iDEN network is incredible with PTT, they will fall behind in customers. Sprint does not have the best service, that is arguable and only my opinion, while Nextel is in the same boat with limited areas. Now the PTT is great but I don't see many people sticking around for 4G technology when 3G will be in big demand and will only be offered by the the big guys: Cingular and Verizon. They are the only two companies that will truly offer competetive rates with really good service. Even if it isn't as good as iDEN. Sure Sprint will also offer 3G but you have to look back at past performance. This is my OPINION btw and is definitely left up to discussion.
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nextel18

Aug 30, 2005, 4:39 AM
they wont fall behind in customers. they have been outweighing cingular and verizon wireless on an average customer growth for 2 straight quarters. in addition, they lead in arpu, data arpu, and lifetime revenue per user.

by the way your looking at past performance with sprint? well sprint has the highiest data arpu for a long time.


thanks for the opinion.
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sarah1015

Sep 12, 2005, 9:43 AM
It sounds to me like some people are upset about Cingular getting PTT. I mean YOU ALL haven't even tried it and are already "dogging" it. Come ON!!! How can you say how horrible it will be when you haven't tried it? I am not saying that Cingular never has problems, but this is something COMPLETELY new for them! How about trying something before you judge it?!!!
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nextel18

Sep 15, 2005, 4:31 AM
becuase it is on a technology that hasnt been good what-so-ever with push to talk. verizon, sprint didnt work out and they have a better network and bigger network then cingular has.

the point is when you put a push to talk service over gprs, cdma, and gsm the latency will be increasing becuase those networks werent built for fast speeds with push to talk.

i am not getting upset. i am just saying facts.
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Bartonic

Sep 15, 2005, 10:18 AM
Nextel Dude - don't get so tied to one company. You most likely will find yourself working at one of the companies that you view as an enemy & then realize how you were brainwashed.
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nextel18

Sep 15, 2005, 5:26 PM
tied into one company? i am talking about all companies becuase when you have ownership in shares of dt (tmobile's daddy), vod and verizon (verizon wireless' parents, sbc and bell south (cingular's daddies) and sprint-nextel you want to talk about all of the companies at hand since i basically either indirectly or directly own the whole wireless sector. (with carriers.)


brainwashed? i think on my own my friend.
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Bartonic

Sep 16, 2005, 9:06 AM
OK - you own the entire wireless sector. I didn't realize that. You must be loaded.
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nextel18

Sep 16, 2005, 5:13 PM
yep.
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sarah1015

Sep 20, 2005, 10:23 PM
Loaded with a phone that has no coverage area...I mean...with if you want to see a map of only the US MAJOR highways...look at nextel...if you want places that aren't on the highway, then go to someone else
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virtuaplaya

Sep 23, 2005, 5:14 PM
I guess it would be hard for someone who is intelligent to believe that someone as "rich" as you could be wasting precious time (which is money) on something as frivolous as this post site, but some people may I guess... That is their problem. I know better however, and this is my gain. You do not own controlling stock in any company. The truth is you work for a company that owns you. Stop trying to intimidate these people, because it is not working. How old are you anyways?
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sarah1015

Sep 20, 2005, 10:20 PM
Actually if you would have checked your facts...verizons push to talk only covers half of their coverage area...and cingular has the largest nationwide calling area...
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Dan4135

Nov 30, 2005, 4:13 PM
sarah1015 said:
Actually if you would have checked your facts...verizons push to talk only covers half of their coverage area...and cingular has the largest nationwide calling area...



Sarah is right. Verizon doesn't really tell you that...but if you look at their coverage map and click on 'enhanced services', you will notice that all the sudden the coverage area drops considerably.

Things like voicemail indicator, data service and PTT don't work unless you're in this small area. Verizon does have good coverage...but since a big part of their network is roaming agreements with smaller carriers, they just simply can't make all their features avaiable everywhere.

Cingular does have an edge (no pun i...
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dcarey96

Nov 28, 2005, 3:02 PM
This is a good product , i have tried write me back. Its one for a discussion.
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angelbabymom1

Dec 20, 2005, 10:20 PM
I've tried the PTT with Cingular and it works GREAT.
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nextel18

Aug 21, 2005, 11:59 PM
here is a post by rich go to http://www.phonescoop.com/forums/forum.php?fm =m&ff=3&fi=98135


"I would be shocked if that were true. It's practically impossible for any kind of PTT over GPRS to reach that kind of performance.

I'm not saying Cingular's PTT doesn't perform well - I'm just saying "on par with Nextel" isn't realistic."

"I wouldn't just lump those two together so casually. At the moment, Sprint's is much better than Verizon's. I would expect Cingular's system to be roughly on par with Sprint's."

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good luck... (by the way look at the other post i gave too)
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eltoroloco

Aug 22, 2005, 3:18 PM
NEVER HAS CINGULAR SAID THAT THEIR PTT SOLUTION WOULD BE BASED ON DATA NETWORK OR VOIP. NEXTEL IS FINISHED!!!!! OUR SOLUTION IS VOICE CHANNEL BASED.
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muchdrama

Aug 22, 2005, 3:44 PM
eltoroloco said:
NEVER HAS CINGULAR SAID THAT THEIR PTT SOLUTION WOULD BE BASED ON DATA NETWORK OR VOIP. NEXTEL IS FINISHED!!!!! OUR SOLUTION IS VOICE CHANNEL BASED.


Oh, slayer of eardrums...
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nextel18

Aug 23, 2005, 5:05 AM
2-3 seconds is better then less then 1 second to 1 second? hmmm i dont think so. if you think so we should get into some business.
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muchdrama

Aug 23, 2005, 7:49 AM
nextel18 said:
2-3 seconds is better then less then 1 second to 1 second? hmmm i dont think so. if you think so we should get into some business.


Did anybody understand this?
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MattFoley

Aug 25, 2005, 12:36 PM
I'm baaaaaaack.... Cool

All this Nextel18 jibba-jabba makes Matt Foley angry!

As usual, Nextel18 is shaking his head like a bobble-head. Seriously, this guy must think Nextel "hung the moon" (or in my best Harry Carrey impression) "the moon is made of cheese!"

Nextel18, thanks for quoting more press releases than the Wall Street Journal. You should receive an award! How bout elementary grammar lessons? I'll see what I can do...
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gimbroni

Sep 8, 2005, 1:50 PM
I've actually used a demo and there is less latency than Nextel. Nextel's latency is a little under a second where as the Cingular latency is .5 seconds. If you want to see a kodiak demo, click on the link below:

http://www.kodiaknetworks.com/flash_demo/flash_demo. ... »

It'l show the difference between Cingular, Verizon, and Nextel.
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nextel18

Sep 8, 2005, 6:08 PM
i know about kodiak. it isnt as great as nextel's especially when you put it on a gsm network.
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Bartonic

Sep 15, 2005, 10:23 AM
Dude - get over it. Anyhow the speed won't be the only benefit of the Cingular offer. You can do quick groups on the fly, you can change your availability so that calls don't interupt you in a meeting, you can have call waiting, one number for PTT & standard calls, you can go from a PTT conversation to a full duplex call without hanging up & re-dialing, its a flat rate, no nickel & diming for group calls, it will work internationally by 1Q 06, plus there will be phones by companies other then Motorola. Smile So what if the Nextel call set up is faster by a second, that isn't that big of a deal.
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nextel18

Sep 15, 2005, 5:25 PM
call waiting? lol. no point of having call waiting when your on the push to talk. why dont you just call them instead of push to talk?

you can change your availability too with nextel lol or with any other provider with push to talk is to shut your phone off lol.

one number for push to talk and for regular calling is a bad idea becuase push to talk is for privacy you dont want strangers to just push to talk you for the fun of it.

not saying the big deal i am just saying cingular wont do well against the other companies. perhaps it will do well against verizon but not sprint or nextel becuase of their data products.
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Bartonic

Sep 16, 2005, 9:04 AM
Change your availabilty by turning off your phone - that is great.

You really don't what you are talking about. I'm guessing you have a crappy retail job working at a kiosk.
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nextel18

Sep 16, 2005, 5:12 PM
i was being sarcastic. lol.

you can tell if someone is using their push to talk service. it will say user busy. lol
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creese

Sep 20, 2005, 2:46 PM
This dude is too much of a CRAPTEL lover. I mean come on now, it's about the worst service out there next to Sprint, and oh wait now they have crappy service together. Who cares if you can beep beep your other CRAPTEL friends faster. At least you don't have to "Please hold while we spend twenty minutes looking for the CRAPTEL subscriber" on Cingular.
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sarah1015

Sep 20, 2005, 10:27 PM
Nextel18 doesnt check facts very well do you??? Can nextel let you change PTT into a phone call? Can nextel let you create a temp calling group without actually creating a new group? ????? I will be honest with everyone...I am not saying Cingular has no flaws...I work for Cingular customer service...but the point is that it seems like some companies are dogging it without actually knowing everything the system will be able to do.
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futuregirl

Dec 2, 2005, 4:29 PM
Nextel18,are you in need of making everyone agree with you? If not then you work awful hard to do just that. You made your point, get over it and move on with you life.
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cingularrepva

Aug 23, 2005, 9:39 AM
Don't want to sound stupid, but the Nokia 6102 is a PTT phone.IT ia gonna be out early sept. The service should be out about oct 1. But just wanted to correct that fact.
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unwiredone

Aug 23, 2005, 6:24 PM
The 6102 is PPT cappable just like the z500a was. The feature will be disabled on launch of the 6102 and 6682 just like the z500a was.
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MattFoley

Aug 25, 2005, 12:37 PM
The Cingular Nokia 6102 doesn't support PTT...
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MattFoley

Aug 25, 2005, 12:38 PM
I'll rephrase myself... The Cingular Nokia 6102 will not support Cingular's PTT.
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creese

Sep 8, 2005, 3:55 PM
Does anyone really like CRAPTEL??? Why is the Walkie Talkie feature so impressive? IT IS LIKE GOING BACK IN TIME 25 YEARS! Why on earth would you want everyone around you to hear what you have to say and then hear that awful beep after you let go of the button. It is by far the worst feature ever released for wireless phones. I have the unfortunate task of testing the LG 7200 and I'm not looking forward to it. Seems to me that Mobile to Mobile works basically the same way, just not as quick and you get the luxury of interrupting the other person while they're talking if needed, unlike on CRAPTEL where you have to listen to everything the other person says before you can respond. Lets keep moving forward and leave this ancient feature behind!...
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cingnularman24

Nov 10, 2005, 2:07 PM
This is 2005 right??? Not 1975?
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