Nokia 6101 / 6102

amendelson said:
WHAT? OCTOBER?!?!
ARE YOU SERIOUS???

Not to mention that they have that tiny keyboard compared to the 6101 model. Cingular really found every way to discourage me with this phone. I was so excited when I first saw it. I can still get the T-mobile version (850) which should be out before Cingular's as they won't wait to implement PTT and and unlock it I guess. 😕

T-mobile bersion is not 850 - it's 900

If you haven't noticed already, all of the New phones that T-Mobile is putting out have the 850 on them, this is due to a roaming agreement that will allow T-Mobile users to pick up on other networks with that frequency. And on the spec sheet for this phone it mentions that the Europe/Asia version have 900 instead of 850, maybe you just got confused. 😁

What T-Mobile always had in North America was only 1900. So they didn’t care to request 850 phones. The were just taking European models and selling them as ling as they had 1900 (which is not what’s used in Europe – it is used though in Asia in some countries – China is one of them).
850 is what AT&T converted their TDMA towers to by adding some additional hardware to them, but with this “patch” they managed to use TDMA towers for GSM850. This is how 850 got created. (I heard the old TDMA hardware could not be converted to 900, which would make everybody’s life so much easier, so that’s how 850 band was born.)
When Cingular bought ATT Wireless and immediately extendede their coverage to everywhere where there was the TDMA ATT coverage. ...
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The 850 roaming agreements have also happened between T-Mobile and Dobson Cellular/ Cell One. As Cell One has also added the 850 GSM to There existing TDMA/CDMA towers. I know for sure that this has taken effect in MN and AZ. Not sure where else yet. I have also heard that DT is considering a sale. Because of Verisons wishes to separate from Vodaphone, they may very well be wanting to purchase T-Mobile USA from DT. The question is, is DT willing to sell to Vodaphone, there biggest competitor in Europe? I have also heard the T-Mobile would need to invest about 4 BILLION dollars in the US to catch up in the industry.

wrong,

the first GSM phone at&t came out with was the Nokia 8390

look it up and you will see that it uses GSM 1900 only. this is why it took cingular much longer to convert to all GSM. they always have had both 1900 and 850

The 6101 that T-Mobile is puting out is 900 though

Even if it has the 900, it will carry the 850. I can promise you that 😁

No need to promise me - I am not interested in this phone.
But YOU, apparently, do need a promise.
You know, a car will carry a BMW logo, even if it's a Ford.
Thing is that you not likely to find out anyway - i.e. exactly if you are right or wrong. Most or GSM coverage in metropolitan areas and along highways (see T-Mobile map) is on 1900. And since you are on T-Mobile - you are in the area covered by 1900 towers. So you won't know the difference.
You need 850 if go skiing to Vermont (e.g.). THAT's when you find out if your 900 will "carry 850" (nice term, BTW. "850" is not a logo, it the frequency on which radio-transmission and reception is done.)
Ever wondered why they make quad-phones, like Moto 600, 635, RAZR? The wouldn't need to ...
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FYI...I AM in an area that is affected by the new 850 frequency by about 85%!!! Where I live (NOT metro), I can go skiing, and I am not trying to get anyone with Cingular to buy the 6101, I am T-Mobile. My assumption for quad band phones would be to give people the ability to use all of T-mobiles GSM towers world-wide. (850/1900 in the US and 900/1800 international) And I am WELL aware of what the T-Mobile coverage map looks like...concidering that I see it every day! So maybe before you start spitting out comments and rude remarks, YOU should do your research on what you are talking about. (and learn how to spell) Needless to say, the original question asks when it's expected...sometime in Sept. or 4th quarter.

Sorry if I offended you, I didn't mean to. Especially by my spelling - sometimes it's hard to do on the handheld... I think I'm doing quite a good job actually. You should see the spelling of things I just write for myself and then edit them on PC...

Now,
I didn't say that all skiing or rural areas are 850. Many are 1900. As a matter of fact in Killington, VT skiing resort they've put an 1900MHz low capacity tower - just covers the resort, not even the village/town of Killington.
I know exactly where it's 850 because my best buddy with whom I always ski has T-mobile. And I know when he doesn't have signal and I do.
This is the ultimate indication that the area is 850.

The original question that I was trying to explain was that no 90...
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Seriously...all of that technical information was given for no reason. I am NOT trying to say that my phone was "switched" from 900 to 850. I am trying to say that the 850 was un-locked on a V300. I have also stated this to you, if you would continue to read on the other thread that was started on this topic. Who am I confusing? It's simple, when T-Mobile gets the Nokia 6101, it will have the 850 on it. If we can't agree on this, then we should agree to dis-agree and wait until the time comes when the 6101 is released. How does that sound? 😉

I hear that t-mob will get 6101 w/ 850'
I don't care though... it'll be the same as Rodgers 6101
PTT disabled ("locked"?)

Yeah, Im pretty sure that the PTT will be locked on the 6101. It may be a feature to be unlocked as rumors indicate that across seas they are testing the PTT feature. But does this really turn you away from purchasing this phone? I may not be well informed, but last I knew was that only Nextel and Verizion had the PTT feature??? Please correct me if I am wrong though. To me, the feature is a nusience in my opinion. I rather hear the phone ring than someone yelling at me "Yo wassup man?" at somewhere public. thats just IMO though.

look at this Nokia page:
http://www.nokiausa.com/phones/6101/0,7747,feat:1,00 ... »

service provider T-mob, 850...
No PTT

😲 yea. talked to a cingular rep the day before yesterday she. told me before i even asked. october 13, 2005 cingular will have ptt. the 1st phone will be that lg phone thats on the new phone list on this site. thats why alot of the features like *646#, *225#, and 611 have been out of service or acting up due 2 the fact that they are updating the network to 3g UMTS (wcdma). 2100mhz. cingular ptt will be just as fast or faster than nextels. you can change that annoying chip to a ringer if wanted, all ptt calls can be private if wanted. they can also be transformed from ptt to regular calls if wanted. price will be $9.99 add on but i heard some say from $9.99 - $20.00 dollars. there will be no delay on ptt calls.

p.s.

the lg ptt phone ...
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you are right. i work for cingular and the PTT add-on is already in the features list when activating a new line. the price there is $9.99 for unlimited.

I can't wait that long becasue my z500 can barely even make calls anymore...so i was going to buy a 6101 on e-bay but im a lil nervous becasue im just worried about it not working when i get it...so i have a question the person has a 99.9% positive feedback and stuff and the phone is unlocked so i don't know if i should buy it...has anyone ever bought a phone off e-bay and how did it work out for them?

i have and it worked well. Only thing is some of those 6101 are only 900 MHZ, not 850 which cingular uses.

thanks for telling me ill have to check it out..cingular was listed as a provider it will work for so im thinking it is the 850...so if i buy it do i just have to put the sim card in or is more complicated then that? sorry for all the questions but im sort of tech challenged.

well it lists cingular but thats decieving, look at the small print.

Cingular does use 1900MHz in some places in the USA, but not most. So it will work on Cingular, but only in certain locations. Anyone correct me if I am wrong.

Id stick it out and get a 6102 or make sure it will work on 850MHz. They wont refund usually if its wrong when you get it.

Hey thanks alot you just saved my $250... i read that it supported 850 but farther down it said for 900 only...guess ill just have to wait till october too...hopefully this z500 will last until then

Folks, the Rogers (canada) 6101 is 850 according to, well, everyone. In fact:
http://www.shoprogers.com/store/wireless/products/ph ... »

So, no, the 6101 is NOT all 900 rather than 850.

Thats because you are buying the European version. Even so, you should be able to unlock the 850.

There no such thing as unlocking 850 in the 900 phone, lady.
It's either 900 or 850, it's in it's circuitry
The lock in on who’s the network is – something that is encoded in the SIM card.

That's funny...then how was it possible for me to get the 850 frequency on my v300 (which was only tri-band when I bought it)??

maybe it always had the ability to be quadband

because the v300 is quad band, and whoever you bought it from disabled it in the software.

Nokia has no quad band phones until the end of this year. They're all triband, and that's hardware.

there!

thanks guys. I was running out of ways to explain it.

So, either way, if the phone is quad band and the company only buys it as tri-band (locks the 850 out) there is a way to unlock the 850. Not necessarily saying in the Nokia, but there are phones, in general, that you can do that to. And that is my point. But either way you look at it, when T-Mobile purchases the Nokia 6101, it will have 850 capabilities for the US.

again, what is the point in locking 850 if quad-band phone will sell better and you can put higher price on it?
Plus no need to do any modifications for each specific carrier?
Carriers would do it? No. What's the point for T-mob locking up 850? None: the more coverage they would get - more satisfied their customers would be.
Where is the logic in this?

You raise a very valid point. Why would they do that? Please ask them that next time. They have locked out the 850 on the Motorola C650/V600/V330/V180. All are able to be unlocked through a 3rd party program.

But that is really a good question, why would they lock it. Unless...during the times that these phones were released, they were consideing the 850 roaming agreements and did not want any of these phones using that service untill everything was finalized. You know, it isn't just a simple turn of a switch to enable that to happen. So during the testing times of the 850, they locked out the 850 on the qualified phones. Seems to be a rational explanation. But then why have the 3595 from Nokia able to do it? The only thing I ca...
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I think you are right

Because, if you have a "future" roaming partner that carries the 850, you do not want your customers to be able to access it until all of the i's are dotted and t's crossed. The Nokia 6010/3595 didn't have the 850 locked out when the Dobson agreement started, and T-Mobile customers were getting bills from T-Mobile and Dobson US. Basically, T-Mobile doesn't want you to have the ability to increase coverage until all of the bugs are worked out. The contracts have been signed and T-Mobile is now promoting the 850. They are slowly discontinuing the outdated phones and replacing them with phones that are 850 capable.

Wow. This board has gone off topic. Let me explain some things that are going on here. According to the spec sheet we are looking at 2 different phones here. The 6101 and the 6102 as shown on the top. Now on the "modes" list we see that the phone supports the GSM 850/1800/1900, but at the same time says "GSM 900 instead of 850 on Europe/Asia version". So now, with the word from T-Mobile, that T-mobile reports say that it will carry the 6101, we are lead to believe that the 6102 will be carried for the Europe/Asia version.

Now the 6101 will be a tri-mode phone only, including the 850/1800/1900. So this phone will not be considered a true World phone like the Motorola V330, V188 and Razr V3's.

Also, lets clear up in a formal way t...
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Thanks for clearing this up
I didn't know specifically but obviously assumed (not excluded anyway) there are other owners of 850 spectrum licenses and converted towers. I used Cingular as and example, after all they've got ATT - lion's share of TDMA in this country.
I also was under impression that Cellular One was CDMA. But, then, how would stop them to acquire some GSM or TDMA-to-be-converted-to-GSM850 towers spectrums?

All is good. I've got my 6101/850 last night to use with Cingular
😁

I think they was saying that the PTT was coming out in October, but the phone will be here the end of August/ early September. 😕

the phone will be here any day.