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MadFatMan

Feb 2, 2013, 5:56 PM
I think that I've seen this before. ..

Oh yes, this is Palm's WebOS with the Pre and Pixie all over again. Of course you will have the BB diehards that will rush out and snap up the 1st wave giving the project a false sense of success and yes I am speaking to the American market only as Im fully aware of BB's market presence OUTSIDE of the US market.

History is repeating itself. This OS and hardware needed to come out TWO years ago when the Playbook was under a hard push.

RIM/BB did it to themselves by failing to act quicker. Too little too late just like Palm in 2009.
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MarryTheNight

Feb 3, 2013, 12:20 AM
The Palm Pre was doomed from the beginning. The hardware sucked, specs sucked, it was ugly and it was an exclusive device on the worst possible carrier: Sprint! Not to mention the worst marketing ever!

I'm an Android user myself but I think BB has a chance. A very slim one but I think if they play their cards right, they can make a comeback. Unlike Palm they're already on the right track. The devices won't be exclusive to just one crappy carrier like Sprint. Already a plus. The hardware is good, software is the best I've seen. Very promising. The apps are there. 70,000 aint bad to start. You still got die hard BB fans out there. Some people still love a physical keyboard so BB was smart about making a device just for that demographic. I a...
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Versed

Feb 3, 2013, 2:03 AM
I agree BB has a good shot with this phone, they just need to support it and not come out with my defecation has no odor attitude. They just need to get this out, rather quickly and with no major issues.

While I could not see getting this for myself, others have different needs and wants and it could be just right for them.

Since the way this phone is supposingly going to work it just with a plain smartphone plan, no bis or bes options, something I guess that will be done over the net connections with these phones. No matter good luck to them.
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MadFatMan

Feb 3, 2013, 7:38 AM
Yes, this is the issue.

BB took way to long to bring this to market forcing even thier toughest of die hard fans to go elsewhere.
70k apps @ launch (10% off what's available on either Google play or the apple app store)
No native cloud storage.
Lacking many what some may consider essential apps like no Pandora, Netflix, Spotify, Gmail apps

Everyone is saying its not for me but I wish them the best. I want to know who is going to buy this phone.

Windows Mobile backed by Microsoft for crying out loud a former Smartphone juggernaut in the industry is now struggling for market share. Nokia had abandoned Symbian, and other than the touchwhiz skin on Android Samsung has abandoned any native OS.

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arox413

Feb 4, 2013, 8:37 AM
Now I haven't had a BB in a while and the last 1 I did have was a Curve 8310 I think, I did have Pandora even back then in 2008-2009, but not sure about some of the others you have there, I also used iHeart Radio alot back then, so I'm not sure what you mean by missing essential apps, I know there are others you mean as well but atleast a couple were available
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MadFatMan

Feb 4, 2013, 10:00 AM
Yes, BB7 and prior have Pandora and other apps. BB10 will not have this available at launch.

"Essential apps" as I said are merely my opinion for myself I as well as several others use Netfix, Hulu, Pandora and Gmail with quite a bit of regularity not saying it won't be developed for BB10 furthermore I am not saying the approximately 70k apps available won't expand.

Im just concerned that this would be quite a bit of a gamble and sacrifice of immediate functionality for users who opt to take this on as a daily driver device.

Apple, Android and Microsoft have a ready to use out of the box product that will fit most people's demands without sacrifice and to add to what I said earlier BB failed to act in time to retain their market ...
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Tofuchong

Feb 4, 2013, 10:40 AM
Lots of quality devices are missing items during launch, that does not mean they are terrible phones, or that they will not be sucessful.

At launch, the Galaxy S Vibrant did not support smartphone mobile hotspot, but that phone was VERY popular when it came out.
The early Lumias also did not support this, but among the windows phone crows they were very popular.

The blackberry bold 9900 did not support wifi calling at launch either, but that did not hinder sales of it.
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HawkeyeOC

Feb 4, 2013, 11:27 AM
Tofuchong said:
Lots of quality devices are missing items during launch, that does not mean they are terrible phones, or that they will not be sucessful.


You can name just about any device and at launch, it missed something that someone considers "essential" or a "deal breaker".
And then the person goes on to say that the phone is terrible and they have no clue why anyone in their right mind would get such a terrible device Laughing
I took back an iPhone 4S because it missed a couple of things for me I considered "essential".
The iPhone is still a quality device and its doing just fine without me Laughing
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arox413

Feb 4, 2013, 11:01 AM
Will admit I haven't looked into it much yet was the first I've heard that it won't launch with those apps which would be a big disappointment.
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Tofuchong

Feb 4, 2013, 1:04 PM
Why does anybody expect anything to be 100% complete at launch?

Many companies run releases off a timeline and not product readiness.

Think about a major product or item release. The vast majority of them either do not have full functionality at launch, or do not have some kind of feature, or extra available at launch.
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arox413

Feb 4, 2013, 2:42 PM
Agreed. Only thing I would say is that somethings are more of a dissappointment at launch than others. Things that most every other smartphone has is somewhat disappointing still. Windows still struggles with some of this currently.
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HawkeyeOC

Feb 4, 2013, 6:25 PM
Tofuchong said:
Why does anybody expect anything to be 100% complete at launch?

I agree. This won't be and most anything from anyone else wasn't either. Since BB10 has been delayed, one would hope there will be fewer issues and fewer "half baked" or "not ready for prime time" comments.
Any early adopter no matter what product you buy needs to accept some of this anyway.
Tofuchong said:
Many companies run releases off a timeline and not product readiness.

Hmm...reminds me of Apples issue last year with their maps. It wasn't ready and there was a nice little management shake up afterwards with more talk of ditching timelines in favor of product readiness.
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Jarahawk

Feb 4, 2013, 9:14 PM
...just to wait for BB to play catch up to what is already available on the market?"

It's no gamble. I've been 'settling' with a non-QWERTY device for over a year. I almost pulled the trigger on the 9930 a year ago, but I changed my mind and got the Rezound and finally they traded me into the GSIII. Hate it. Moving on... Can't wait to get my Berry back. Apps are overrated. I don't use anything but Tune In Radio. Everything else is just fluff. Damn that.
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Jarahawk

Feb 4, 2013, 9:04 PM
I am. Next question.
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MadFatMan

Feb 4, 2013, 9:43 PM
Great! You support my statement l that there is a community of die hard BB users but will it be enough to sort all new hardware and a whole new OS?

Don't misinterpret me as rooting for BB's failure I just state that this is too late.

How are we supposed to take a company seriously that.
● ignored Apple as a viable competitor.
● took more than two years to bring BB 10 to market
● spoke openly about selling off their hardware division NOW wants consumer faith in the same hardware
● the z10 is obviously a transitional device geared towards die hard bb fans and people that want to have the 1st of everything lacking substantial value to the everyday consumer
● no native cloud storage offering
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HawkeyeOC

Feb 5, 2013, 12:31 PM
MadFatMan said:
How are we supposed to take a company seriously that.
● ignored Apple as a viable competitor.
● took more than two years to bring BB 10 to market
● spoke openly about selling off their hardware division NOW wants consumer faith in the same hardware
● the z10 is obviously a transitional device geared towards die hard bb fans and people that want to have the 1st of everything lacking substantial value to the everyday consumer
● no native cloud storage offering
● no pandora, Netflix, Hulu , gmail, spotify, etc...


Well to answer your questions:
●Blackberrys origins are in the business market. When Apple introduced its phone (I got a chance to play around with one at Ma...
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qingshan

Mar 1, 2013, 10:47 PM
I was very pleased with BB's for a time but I am an admitted phone slut. Mostly then I was getting the newest BB but then I wanted a bigger screen for web viewing. Went to Android and slutted there for a while (currently GS3)

But when I swapped my office land-line for a T-Mo cell and stuck on one of my old BB's I got re-bitten. When I got UMA working I now have an inexpensive unlimited talk line with better coverage than my V account.

What I noticed was how much better for business, perhaps not for wasting time, the BB was. I do use web access for work, so I am going to get a Z10 and if there are bugs, my 9700 will weather me through
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HawkeyeOC

Feb 4, 2013, 11:37 AM
MadFatMan said:
I think that I've seen this before. ..

Oh yes, this is Palm's WebOS with the Pre and Pixie all over again. Of course you will have the BB diehards that will rush out and snap up the 1st wave giving the project a false sense of success and yes I am speaking to the American market only as Im fully aware of BB's market presence OUTSIDE of the US market.

You haven't seen this before.
WebOS was great.
Hardware was subpar
Palm bleeding money from prior company mismanagement
Exclusive to Sprint when Pre was introduced?
Sold to yet another company who mismanaged it and killed it off

None of this is happening with Blackberry. 2 billion in cash reserves laying around.


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MadFatMan

Feb 4, 2013, 9:02 PM
I was a hardcore Palm fan many of year ago. It pained me to see Palm fail. It started with the Centro which kept Palm on life support for about a year or so WebOS as great as it was could not overcome several obstacles.

I held onto the 755P until it had to be let go then I picked up a Blackberry Style hoping it would be similar to the 755P I was sorely disappointed.

BlackBerry had essentially made the same phone since 2005 refusing to change or update is aging OS with any degree of discernable measure.

Again, I ask, who is going to pay full pop to be BB's beta testing Guinea pig.
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HawkeyeOC

Feb 4, 2013, 9:48 PM
I remember the 755P. That was my first smartphone. The OS was simple. It came from Verizon with an annoying blinking red light that could not be shut off without downloading a third party app. I chose it over the blackberry because I couldn't stand their scroll wheel navigation in the side of the device.

I actually loved the 755P.

From 2005 until now, Blackberry took that OS and added multimedia capabilities, cameras, HD video, then went from scroll wheels to trackballs to trackpads, its own centralized app world, lightened and shrank the phones from tough bricks to delicate pancakes. and continually tweeked the OS, memory and processors.
Java based OS7 was as far as they could take that old platform.
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