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LETTER TO AT&T

cleolicious

Jan 11, 2011, 10:23 PM
Dear AT&T,

For years now you have ripped me off with your outrageous prices and shady business practices. You've taken thousands of dollars from me and in return provided me with a horrible product and service. I can't remember the last time I made a call without dropping it. Seriously, it's a vague memory. I've suffered through this because I am a huge fan of the iPhone. Understand that that you've basically made my life miserable for the past few years, literally cutting the pleasure of the iPhone experience in half. Now that Verizon has the iPhone, I hope your company's stocks plummets to the point of bankruptcy. Seriously, I haven't been this happy to get rid of someone since I divorced my ex-wife. And I don't care what you offer to t...
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muchdrama

Jan 11, 2011, 10:26 PM
cleolicious said:
Dear AT&T,

For years now you have ripped me off with your outrageous prices and shady business practices. You've taken thousands of dollars from me and in return provided me with a horrible product and service. I can't remember the last time I made a call without dropping it. Seriously, it's a vague memory. I've suffered through this because I am a huge fan of the iPhone. Understand that that you've basically made my life miserable for the past few years, literally cutting the pleasure of the iPhone experience in half. Now that Verizon has the iPhone, I hope your company's stocks plummets to the point of bankruptcy. Seriously, I haven't been this happy to get rid of someone since I divorced my ex-wife
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funash

Jan 12, 2011, 1:13 AM
Sir you have absolutly no idea what your about to do. Let me tell you simply: all these problems you have had with att are only going to be the same with verizon. i work for att and i hate this phone. anyone who gets it is a moron. the problem is not with att network it is the device itself. i have worked here for over 4 years now and its the device. I am in customer service and take calls like this everyday. at att we had a party after work to celebrate this devil device going to someone else. You will not have a better experience on the other side I PROMISE YOU!
Verizon is going to have tiered data plans as well and the call qaulity will be no better. Get away from this phone! Seriously im trying to help out here. This phone sucks!
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msgaddict

Jan 12, 2011, 10:22 AM
I'm not a big fan of att, no offense to you Funash, it's more of a personal thing with service in my area than anything else, but I have to agree with you here. I am on Verizon but I had a work line on att in the past. I've had the iPhone 3G as well as att blackberries before and after the iPhone. I wasn't crazy about any of the phones but it weas beause my signal wasn't very strong where i lived and where I worked. But as far as the iPhone is concerned, it was a cool device and it had its fun moments but as a phone it was terrible. And I don not think it was the service per se, but the phone itself. I feel like it will have the same issues on Verizon as it does on att. And as an non-iPhone smartphone user I worry about my data service once ...
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MrFisch13

Jan 12, 2011, 11:16 AM
aren't the rate plan costs the same?
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cleolicious

Jan 12, 2011, 4:35 PM
Yeah but you can actually make calls on Verizon. I don't mind paying for something as long as it works.
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MrFisch13

Jan 18, 2011, 12:44 PM
t-mobile works great for me!

G2 FTW
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NYCgirl

Jan 20, 2011, 4:41 PM
This device is one I'd steer clear of for the iteration or TWO.....UNLESS Verizon is giving them away for free! Something tells me that this isn't going to be the "end all be all" that folks are expecting. As a long time Verizon customer (smartphone) I can only imagine how costly the plan are going to be to own this thing. Best of luck to to anyone who dives in on "day 1".
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jxrive4

Jan 26, 2011, 6:28 PM
I'll be one of those customers who will be "diving in" on day 1 (Feb 3rd) and you'll be surprised to hear that VZW is offering unlimited data for the iPhone 4 for $30/month. Now that is even better than AT&T's current iPhone data offering so I'm not sure what you're referring to. Bottom line is, whether you currently have a BlackBerry or Android phone, the monthly cost for voice and data is the same. As far as apps go, they are, on average, cheaper than Android apps and definitely MUCH cheaper than BlackBerry apps! I've waited for the iPhone for four years and would even pay a premium for it if I had to.
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funash

Jan 13, 2011, 12:31 AM
I KNEW IT! VERIZON JUST CHANGED THEIR UPGRADE POLICIES BECAUSE OF THIS DEVIL DCEVICE- IPHONE. HAHAHAHA!! ANYONE THAT GETS THIS PHONE IS A FOOL!! YOU WILL HAVE NO BETTER LUCK WITH THEM THAN WITH ATT. THIS PHONE IS EVIL. ITS ALL APPLES FAULT! THEY LAY OUT THE RULES. NO ONE HAS THE SLIGHTEST IDEA OF HELL YOU WILL EXPERIENCE WITH VERIZON. TE SAME THING HAPPENED TO ATT. NOW A NEW COMPANY CUSTOMER SERVICE REPS GET TO EXPERIENCE HELL LIKE I HAVE. I WORK FOR ATT CUST SERVICE. HAVE FUN!!
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jxrive4

Jan 26, 2011, 6:40 PM
Hmmmm...well if your smartphone usage skills are the same as your writing skills, then I can definitely see why you would feel that way about the iPhone.
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tomandmel

Jan 12, 2011, 2:38 PM
ok..if that is so explain this ..expert...

both company and personal phones are BB. One on ATT ( company)..personal on Verizon. Same phone diff carrier yet I have better call quality, signal and data transmission with Verizon BB...explain this to us all. In fact while i sit here I have full bars on one and 2 on other..what gives?
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cleolicious

Jan 12, 2011, 4:38 PM
I'm not sure what you're asking here. You're saying that the Verizon BB has better signal. I agree. AT&T sucks. Verizon is better.
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funash

Jan 13, 2011, 11:45 PM
the area sir. some areas are covered better by other carriers than others. the end.
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Vipermad

Jan 14, 2011, 4:57 PM
funash said:
the area sir. some areas are covered better by other carriers than others. the end.


Exactly....which is why the BEST advice for ANYONE is to look at what works BEST where they are. Since I live somewhere where ATT provides coverage that equals/exceeds VZW, I'm good. If/when I move somewhere and that changes...so will my carrier.
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kas4386

Jan 17, 2011, 5:40 PM
HOLY BALLS!! Someone who actually talks sense (THANK YOU VIPERMAD) and not just biased nonsense.

ALL cell phone carriers have something called a "service area". If you're getting better reception in an area with a Verizon phone than an AT&T phone, there's most likely a Verizon tower closer to where you are using that phone at the time. People really shouldn't talk all this crap unless they have some actual knowledge to back it up. Because if you don't then you just sound like a moron.
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cleolicious

Jan 12, 2011, 4:31 PM
LOL! Oh, OK.. I'll just take the AT&T employee's word for it. Riiiight. Like I said, I had AT&T before I had the iPhone and it sucked then too. My friend has an Android on AT&T and it drops calls constantly too. Your network blows, man. Plain and simple. You've been screwing people for years, even before cell phones back when you were Ma Bell... when you were convicted of being an evil monopoly. Party's over, buddy. I suggest you start looking for another job because AT&T is done.
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Versed

Jan 12, 2011, 8:53 PM
BTW, Verizon was part of that same "Evil Empire"
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cleolicious

Jan 12, 2011, 9:08 PM
Ok so they're both evil. I'll chose the one that can make calls.
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Versed

Jan 12, 2011, 9:56 PM
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crday

Jan 20, 2011, 6:15 PM
cleolicious. There are more important issues with which to concern yourself. Chill out. I've had every major wireless carrier on the market. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. I have had Verizon in the past, and dropped calls regularly. If you feel that Verizon works for you, then that ought to be your choice. Why agonize over it? I really believe Verizon doesn't really need you to defend them. Wink
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funash

Jan 13, 2011, 11:47 PM
really, really? wow just tell your self all will be better with verizon is all i have to say. have fun on the roller coaster you are willing to choose to ride!
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cleolicious

Jan 14, 2011, 1:30 PM
OK I'll call you from the roller coaster.. or rather I'll email you instead 'cuz I'm certain you'll just drop the call anyway.
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Hotice226

Jan 22, 2011, 1:28 PM
Laughing

I've got an even better idea, ms. cleo. Since you're so savvy with wireless technology and unmatched clairvoyance of all network experiences, I think it'd be better if you called him AND emailed him at the same time!..... oh wait... can't do that on Verizon. Oh well, you can always malign them for charging your the same amount for things they can't do that their competitors can too. BTW, you may not want to visit some areas of Virginia. Good ole VZ might have a reception shocker for you there too...
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cleolicious

Jan 22, 2011, 2:10 PM
AT&T'S NETWORK DOES NOT WORK IN LOS ANGELES. AT&T'S NETWORK DOES NOT WORK IN LOS ANGELES. AT&T'S NETWORK DOES NOT WORK IN LOS ANGELES. AT&T'S NETWORK DOES NOT WORK IN LOS ANGELES. AT&T'S NETWORK DOES NOT WORK IN LOS ANGELES. AT&T'S NETWORK DOES NOT WORK IN LOS ANGELES. AT&T'S NETWORK DOES NOT WORK IN LOS ANGELES. AT&T'S NETWORK DOES NOT WORK IN LOS ANGELES. AT&T'S NETWORK DOES NOT WORK IN LOS ANGELES. AT&T'S NETWORK DOES NOT WORK IN LOS ANGELES. AT&T'S NETWORK DOES NOT WORK IN LOS ANGELES. AT&T'S NETWORK DOES NOT WORK IN LOS ANGELES. AT&T'S NETWORK DOES NOT WORK IN LOS ANGELES. AT&T'S NETWORK DOES NOT WORK IN LOS ANGELES. AT&T'S NETWORK DOES NOT WORK IN LOS ANGELES. AT&T'S NETWORK DOES NOT WORK IN LOS ANGELES. AT&T'S NETWORK DOES NOT WORK IN...
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Versed

Jan 22, 2011, 10:52 PM
Dude, you forgot your Ritalin today.
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cleolicious

Jan 22, 2011, 11:19 PM
Well, I just don't know how many times I have to say it until it finally registers in your brain. You're the one trying to make an argument out of a fact. AT&T doesn't work here. Now accept it and get over it.
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Hotice226

Jan 24, 2011, 7:09 PM
Virginia-based Verizon Wireless subscribers: No, we cannot hear you now

By: Zach Epstein | Jan 24th, 2011 at 04:30PM View Comments Filed Under: Carriers - US





If the countless emails that have hit our inbox over the course of the past few hours are to be believed, Verizon Wireless is having some issues in Virginia. And by “some issues,” we mean the carrier’s voice and data services are out of commission across the entire state. Verizon Wireless’ tech support team has confirmed the problem to BGR, and it states that the cause of the massive outage is currently unknown. Verizon says it is investigating the matter just as fast as it can, of course, though the company has no idea when service will be res...
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Hotice226

Jan 24, 2011, 7:21 PM
Verizon works everywhere. Especially in LA. Perfect reception. They do everything... even get you laid by so many girls that you can offer sloppy seconds to poor AT&T customers who can't buy the ifail for themselves because their getting pillaged by that evil empire. (pass the Kool-Aid). We should even throw our phones like the lightening bolts Big Red uses in the commercials to show how much faster our internet is than everyone else.... yeah.... yeah... AT&T is SOOOOO gonna go out of business then!
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macc

Jan 20, 2011, 11:51 AM
C'mon u guys please AT&T will never be hurt by a few people leaving to go to another carrier. And you know the reason they dont care is because there wireless side is only a fraction of what their residential and business sides bring in. Also trust that after a while verizon will go away from unlimited data after they get the iphone.
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Cellular Phone

Jan 21, 2011, 9:38 AM
At the worst, they would remain in 2nd place for a LONG time, but they are no where near done. Verizon and AT&T are two largest and strongest carriers financially and they are in no danger of extinction.

Sprint and T-Mobile are the ones who are at greater risk of being "Done" and even then, I don't see either of them dissappearing anytime soon.

Oh and for the record, I used to have Nextel and I did live in an area where Nextel's coverage was the best out of all of the other networks. So your phone service really depends on your area and the location of towers, the environment, etc, etc.
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vengine20

Jan 13, 2011, 12:54 PM
I work for Verizon and I will tell you this as a fact, we tested this device well over a year before deciding to launch it and there were no dropped call issues at all on our network. Now, I love competition and I have many friends that work for AT&T and I would never bad mouth another company in any way but the facts are the facts and AT&T just does not invest enough into their network and they do not test their devices as rigoursly as we do. The only reason this device had issues with AT&T is do to their network, especially with data connectivity, mainly, because they have no where near the back-haul capacity as we do and if anyone knows anything about wireless networks, you can never have enough back-haul capacity, its kinda like having a...
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pleasecheckyourfacts

Jan 13, 2011, 3:25 PM
If you state things as facts, and they are wrong, can we really believe any of it?

"is due to a huge mistake they made a few years ago and that mistake was the merger with Cingular (actually cingular purchased at&t mobility and just kept the at&t name and dropped the mobility part), "

Cingular Wireless bought AT&T Wireless back in 2004. At that time, they dropped the AT&T Wireless name, and kept Cingular Wireless. It wasn't until years later, 1 of Cingular's parent companies, SBC purchased AT&T, that they decided to change their own name to AT&T. SBC then purchased the other parent company of Cingular, Bellsouth, and decided to unify under 1 brand.

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vengine20

Jan 13, 2011, 4:03 PM
I appreciate the response and your correction on the mobility part, meaning your right on the wireless name part, as far as the other things, they are still factual. We do not provide all of the details of how much we invest in our network, as it is proprietary, hence the reason I did not list what exactly those investments were, so yes it is still true we invest over 80% of the money we make back into our network on average. Now, as far as the performance piece, net additions do not equal performance. The overall performance of a company is measured by OVERALL performance, not just how many customers you added. In fact, over 70% of at&t's net additions were iphone subs, which means those net additions came at a huge costs and will take the ...
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pleasecheckyourfacts

Jan 13, 2011, 4:27 PM
Umm...

"Also, you should know we are not publicly traded either, meaning we are still a private company, at&t is a publicly traded company"

You are half right. Verizon Wireless is a join venture between Verizon Communications and Vodafone Group plc. Both of these are publicly traded companies.

AT&T, the mobility side, is a Subsidiary of AT&T, meaning, the wireless side of AT&T is not publicly traded either.

There is no difference here, other than Verizon Wireless is owned by 2 companies, and AT&T Mobility is owned by 1.

As for ME stating that "performance is soley based on net additions" is not true.

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vengine20

Jan 13, 2011, 4:42 PM
I stand corrected, you are exactly right about the net additions being a KPI, so I guess I need to work on my wording. When I talk about peformance, I take it from a holistic view, not just one or two things. As far as wanting people to know the truth, well that is the whole reason I am writing in this forum.
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Vipermad

Jan 14, 2011, 9:54 AM
vengine20 said:
we will have unlimited data plans, the price is $29.99


I'll believe this when I see it. This was just one of several things, written by you, that gave me pause to question your "facts".

Talk is just that right now. The proof is in the pudding.....and my personal thought it that VZW may think they are ready, and they surely may be MORE ready than ATT first was....but time will tell. I would prefer anyone from VZW take a positive, yet cautious approach to the months ahead. Get ****y now and you WILL be reminded of it down the road.

I'm just sayin'
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DMZ

Jan 17, 2011, 1:15 AM
vengine20,

I agree with you 100%. I'll never forget New Years Eve 1997/98 in Times Square. I had just gotten taken in by AT&T's Digital One Rate, the 1st nation wide calling plan with roaming and long distance included. Out there in the crowd, I couldn't make a call to save my life. Meanwhile, everyone around me with a Bell Atlantic Mobile (Verizon's old name) phone had no problems at all making or receiving calls.

Then there was the nightmare of 9/11 AT&T put me through. I was a relief worker at the NYC Medical Examiner's Office and to make a long story short, every carrier's phones worked in the computer/call center operations room, where all the processing of the human tragedy of the World Trade Center disaster took place, EXCE...
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Azeron

Jan 20, 2011, 11:40 PM
You do realize that was AT&T Wireless, right? Founded by Craig McCaw? At that time the companies which would one day become Cingular Wireless would have been BellSouth Mobility, SBC Mobility Ameritech Cellular sprinkled in there. Cingular would not buy out ATTWS for another six years. Go ahead and hate a company if you like, but at least know which company it is you are hating.
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armeins

Jan 23, 2011, 11:26 AM
To vengine20 first off i work for verizon qc now and recently transfered over from qualcom you know the company that makes the lovely chips that allow verizons service to operate properly. The chip that was made that allowed the iphone to even operate for your company since apple was to lazy to make something new and just shoved new crap into old crap} has only been avalible for verizon and apples use for roughly 6 months so your over a year testing is bs. Second off if you wanna get details on past bussiness right SBC Communications, Inc made Cingular buy At&t wireless up as they were the current share holder of the company and kept the name due to long standing tenure and notoriety. Yes there are many areas that have piss poor coverage fro...
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sgtpeppersband9

Jan 21, 2011, 1:27 PM
You're having a party when your company's stock fell for the reason you're celebrating? Awesome employee. Verizon doesn't have tiered data for smartphones. We don't cap smartphones. I doubt the iPhone will be an exception being that android uses more data than an ios. And FYI, consumer reports rated your service as worst american carrier. The only fraction that were somewhat satisfied were iPhone customers. C welcome to the real iPhone experience! Razz
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funash

Jan 23, 2011, 5:31 PM
blah blah blah. enjoy hell.
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johnnyb0810

Jan 27, 2011, 11:04 AM
From a Verizon Customer Care perspective, as well as an iPhone user. I agree with him. The phone is not worth it. Now whether our cdma version will have a better radio than the gsm... That remains to be seen. But don't look for this change to solve your issues, but we will welcome you to try.
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remlap420

Jan 14, 2011, 11:58 AM
Don't sugar coat it, tell them how you really feel... lol.
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dubskip

Jan 20, 2011, 2:18 PM
lol most of the peoples comments on here we can ingnore, simply because you as consumers really have no idea about what your talking about. just wait till the iphone launches on verizon, then you will see that its not AT&T and it is in fact the less than perfect apple device. I have worked for ATT for over 5 years, if you came into my strore i WOULD NOT sell you an ipone, the phone is not crap but its not the greatest. Android is already the #1 used operating system as well in customer satisfaction. Dont trust me? Google it. For all you iphone whores who think verizon is gonna give it to you better than ATT, i just smile and laugh. You will be back when you realize your phone cant make calls and be on the web at the same time..... kind...
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Azeron

Jan 20, 2011, 11:25 PM
for the info. Of course, it's not going to make a difference. These people have been denied the iphone for so long. They are like virgins off to college for the first time. Ripe and ready to be... Embarassed

Seriously. I just want the thing to get here already. The suspense is making me sick. Let's get the five million devices on the network so we can put an end to all the opinions and speculation.
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Vipermad

Jan 21, 2011, 1:05 PM
I agree with Azeron...lets just get it over with.

As for dubskip. Uh, you will NOT have the last laugh, sorry. Oh, you may (or may not) be right about the iPhone, ATT and VZW....but the last laugh is really for all of us.

See....simply knowing that there are people like you in the world kinda makes many of us happier with our lives. I know that sounds mean....but any 19 year old little boy, who comes on here and FLAT OUT says he works for ATT and wouldn't sell someone an iPhone if they came into his store. I just looked in Webster's Dictionary under the word idiot.....there's a great picture of you there.

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dubskip

Jan 26, 2011, 1:58 PM
lol lol hey guy continue on with your rant and when you join the verizon ranks i will see you back here. please sit in front of your computer and try to think of some whitty response, i am waiting oh so patiently.. you had to go to the dictionary to find what idiot meant, wow bud! sorry the education system let you down.... i would assume that you are prob some fat slob who gets off on replying to forums, as for me not knowing jack about jack. your prob right, i really dont know what im talking about, i mean cmon im just a dumb 19 year old kid right....??? hope warcraft is treating you nice, cant wait for your reply, i look forward to a very properly worded response that highlights my downfalls and some how brings you some type of affirm...
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Vipermad

Jan 26, 2011, 2:21 PM
Thank you for validating and confirming my points.

I don't know what "warcraft" is, sorry.

I only looked in the dictionary to see if they actually found a picture of you that could be published for all to see.

Be careful now...your daddy might find out you've been using his computer and get mad at you.

And, lastly...you, and YOU alone...do a mighty fine job of highlighting your downfalls. You clearly don't need very much help in that category (though, it is clear you do need help).

Go on now....run on home.
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dubskip

Jan 26, 2011, 2:47 PM
very good, you came up with somewhat of a inteligent response, you should be happy!!
everyone give this guy a round of applause, you sir are def. someone i look up to and strive to be like.

im not just bantering because i want to get a rise out of you. i enjoy it, only becasue i like hearing myself talk.


please respond with another whitty comment so i can continue my onslaught of remarks, whatever will i do without you.
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smerits

Jan 12, 2011, 10:06 AM
Uhhh hey genius...Verizon is MORE expensive than AT&T. And even with paying more you get WAY less, no rollover minutes and no surfing the net while talking on the phone. Good riddance sucker
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cleolicious

Jan 12, 2011, 10:38 AM
"Rollover minutes?" Apparently you still think it's 1998. Most people have unlimited plans today, so rollover minutes are useless. Actually, the prices are about the same with one key difference: YOU CAN ACTUALLY MAKE A CALL ON VERIZON. I will gladly trade in the ability to talk while surfing the web to be able to hold that call without dropping it any day.

The fact that AT&T sells what's called a "micro tower" for you house so you can flood your home with 3G signal says it all. They actually sell a device for $200 that helps makes their service work the way it's supposed to in the first place... at the customer's expense. I actually bought one one.. and guess what!? It doesn't ****ing work either.

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pleasecheckyourfacts

Jan 13, 2011, 3:41 PM
Let's check some facts of the things you state as facts, because let's face it, if you lie about some facts, you may lie about others.

"The fact that AT&T sells what's called a "micro tower" for you house so you can flood your home with 3G signal says it all. They actually sell a device for $200 that helps makes their service work the way it's supposed to "

I think you are referring to MicroCell with AT&T. It retails for $149.99. Why did you pay $200?

Did you know Verizon sells a similar device? Let's check their website:

FROM ( http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/acce ssory?action=gotoFemtocell ) " Expand Your Indoor Coverage with the Network Extender
Purchase online or over the phone.

Your Price: $249.99 "

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PaulAlcohol

Jan 13, 2011, 6:26 PM
You guys are making for a great read.

I've worked for Verizon, Suncom, T-mobile, Sprint, and AT&T ... every companty multiple times. Here's my two cents on this sitch.

Some customers are just not pleased with anything. You think Verizon is going to save you money? Haha, riiiight. If you're just concerned about making calls then get a basic flip phone. MOST smartphone customers (on all companies) get as little talk time as possible and stick with larger Data and Texting plans. And most people are going further and further away from UNLIMITED talking ... especially in the last 5 years.

As for signal ... I make sure to tell my customers (currently working for an AT&T autorized retailer) if we do not get signal where they live...
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Azeron

Jan 14, 2011, 12:33 PM
I worked in the wireless industry for ten years and am now no longer working for any of the carriers. The funniest thing to me is how people stand up to defend these *Bleep*ards as though they are knights. I imagine this guy with his AT&T shield and another with his Verizon one. I'm thinking, "Please! Give me a break! Those mofos don't give a damn about you! Why are you investing so many emotions in them?"
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Att_user04

Jan 14, 2011, 6:38 PM
I've had at&t for about 3 years, and i've never really had a problem. I own the iphone and always have had great service. Yes once and awhile I do get a droped call, as I have with verizon to. Everyone says that verizon is the best and all mighty, but if that is the case then how come we have differnt carriers? like sprint T-mobile. Because Verizon isn't all mighty after all, they may be one of the top performing carriers but they are not so mighty that we all have to bow down to them. Each carrier has their own strengths and weakness, in one area verizon may have better signal than at&t but in another area at&t may be better. Don't go around saying at&t is so horrible because you keeping droping calls and what not, if signal is not good in ...
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Azeron

Jan 14, 2011, 10:02 PM
Yes, but what made you come to the iphone 4 (CDMA) forum?
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Att_user04

Jan 16, 2011, 1:01 AM
Was just browsing the fourms
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funash

Jan 14, 2011, 11:21 PM
read this news story friend. i told you they would change their policies. this is just the beginning i promise you.
http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/111835/ ... »
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cleolicious

Jan 15, 2011, 12:21 AM
"That's true for every other cell carrier as well, because most offer their own discounts and early upgrades. And as they roll out their own 4G networks and accumulate more smartphone subscribers. That perk-tightening comes on top of extra fees and higher early exit charges. Sprint, for example, already tacks on an extra $10 monthly surcharge for 4G-capable handsets. Carriers have also doubled their early termination fees, charging up to $350 for smartphones, as a way to recoup money on the phone and contract revenue if you defect".

All cellular carriers try to pull crap with their customers. I never said Verizon was more honest than the rest. All I said is that it works. If I'm going to get screwed, I'd at least like the ability to make...
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tekneeq52

Jan 18, 2011, 1:04 PM
Good luck with the change over chief. You are just exchanging one evil for another. As far as verizon goes I have had them before and i actually cancelled them due to their poor service. Furthermore, those so called "unlimited data plans" yeah not really unlimited when verizon performs data throttling when you reach a certain gb amount of usage. Oh and that simultaneous voice and data. forget about it because cdma does not currently support that (goodbye tango app). Oh yea and i forgot, verizon just changed their upgrade dates from 18 months to 20 which means that when the new iphone launches for verizon in february you will have to wait atleast 20 months from that date to get antother, not to mention that at&t will be receiving all updated ...
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cleolicious

Jan 18, 2011, 1:53 PM
Verizon works in my house. AT&T does not. What part of that are you not understanding? AT&T's service in Los Angeles is horrible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsTpqtFrtcU »
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Versed

Jan 18, 2011, 10:31 PM
Exactly use what works, when I went to AT&T is was because I had poor service in my home. And there is no doubt that VZW has a great network.

As far as future upgrades. read somewhere the ip5 will be a dual gsm/cdma phone, if those rumors hold true, I bet both AT&T and VZW get them more or less at the same time.
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mkl4466

Jan 18, 2011, 10:30 PM
please get your facts straight. Verizon never offered 18 month upgrades. Some customers used to qualify for an upgrade after 12 months. Going forward, unless there is a special promotion, you are right it will be 20 months into a 2 year contract to get an upgrade. As for world capability, there are other countries that use CDMA, south and central America, the Caribbean, and China. Plus Verizon offers a global travel program with free rental of a GSM capable phone.
As for simultaneous voice and data, thats such a two sided coin. It seems like iPhone users on ATT got used to finding wifi hotspots anyway, since there were so many problems with the data network. VZW smartphones allow voice on the cell network with simultaneous data over wifi, s...
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IRIE4IPIER

Jan 20, 2011, 3:33 PM
@cleolicious

I can't wait to hear how the service with iphone stays the same whether on att or verizon, and you stupid people realize it aint the network, but the piss poor device you are using.
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cleolicious

Jan 20, 2011, 3:48 PM
That's what people who can't afford an iPhone say.
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IRIE4IPIER

Jan 20, 2011, 4:04 PM
@cleolicious

whats so expesive about an iphone? they cost the same as all smartphones, and i pay full retail for my phones, and i have an iphone and have not used it since the start of 2009. the thing is a piece of crap, either on att oe t-mobile, you will soon find out how expensive verizon is and how poor the iphone is as a phone. it sucks buddy face it, i dont know why people feel special because they have an iphone, they are horrible.
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cleolicious

Jan 20, 2011, 6:10 PM
You don't know what you're talking about. I've had an iphone for the past 3 years. It is without a doubt the absolute best device ever put out. The Apple A4 processor is lighting fast. The OS is supremely smooth. Nothing comes even remotely close. 400,000+ apps is nothing to bark at. The graphics are superior to anything out there. The games, the productivity an tools are unsurpassable. Everything else is a cheap imitation. iPhone started it all. Apple is way ahead for everyone and always will be.

There are two kinds of people in this world: People who own apple products such as Mac computers and iphones and people who either too broke to buy one or people who just don't understand superior technological superiority aka haters.

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Azeron

Jan 20, 2011, 11:45 PM
that I am one of the persons too broke to own Apple products. I would cry but I can't afford to waste the tears. Sad I am really hoping that the CDMA iphone works well and maybe in a few years when they are on the iphone 7 I can purchase an iphone 4 on Ebay.
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cleolicious

Jan 21, 2011, 12:39 AM
Tell ya what.. just to show I'm a nice guy, I'll let ya have sloppy seconds on some of the chicks I get just from owning and iPhone.
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Azeron

Jan 21, 2011, 11:05 AM
No thanks. That's just disgusting. It would be great if you gave me your iphone4 when you upgrade though.
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Vipermad

Jan 21, 2011, 1:08 PM
I'll take the sloppy seconds!!!

What?????

A guy's gotta survive through the low spots!!!!

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Cosmic Spiderman

Jan 22, 2011, 8:07 PM
I'm with Verizon. It works for me, everywhere I go. I have and Android phone (Droid 2), not because I can't have an iPhone, but because I like the freedom I have with an Android OS. I have a PC and NEVER get viruses. Because I know how to keep from getting them. I like the freedom I have with my PC to upgrade it how and when I want. I can make it faster than ANY Apple computer, using things that are not manufactured by the original manufacturer of the computer. I can use that computer to create FREE apps for my Android phone, that can do anything any app on the iPhone does. TApple products are pretty. They are easy to use. AT&T does suck, and not just because of their network. Their customer service sucks. Their advertising sucks as they fee...
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Cosmic Spiderman

Jan 22, 2011, 8:12 PM
**IF you are doing something with video or photo editing, Apple does it better**

sry, several typos... Sad
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Menno

Jan 23, 2011, 10:37 AM
and unlike android phones, a lot of customers could get away with the $15 data plan.

The IPHONE IS NOT A STATUS SYMBOL showing you're wealthy. It hasn't been since the first iphone finally got subsidized on contract.

EVERY other high end smartphone is priced $199, and they sell just fine, on more expensive plans to boot. Apple has a "tax" on the iphone, but the carrier pays it, not the consumer.

Is the iphone a nice device? Yes. But it's not head and shoulders above everything else out there anymore, and it hasn't been for well over a year. (Or do you think that the reason the iphone 4 hit so many of the "bullet points" of the idon't campain was just a coincidence?)

I had a macbook, I loved it. My dad is STILL using it 6 yea...
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cleolicious

Jan 23, 2011, 1:48 PM
Yeah, PC is great.. for email and surfing the web. Try running a real program on it like Pro Tools or Final Cut. There's a reason big production studios all use Macs. And as for playing games: grow up. Whatever dude. Windows is a weak ass OS susceptible to all kinds of headaches. I didn't say the iPhone is a status symbol of wealth. What I said was there is probably some hidden reason why you are so anti-iPhone. Who knows, maybe your credit is ****ed and you can't switch to Verizon. Either way, iPhone ****s all over Android. Therefore you choose ****... a sluggish OS with minimal, wannabe apps. Actually, you know what? Now that I'm thinking about it, iPhone IS a status symbol. When a hot chick sees a guy with an Iphone she says, "That guy ha...
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Menno

Jan 23, 2011, 3:18 PM
I've been with Verizon for 5+ years, I pay retail for my devices, price is not an issue.

I don't want an iphone because an IPHONE isn't the right device for me. The fact that you think there is only one decent OS just makes you uninformed.

As for you picking up chicks with a phone.. those must be some pretty sad chicks to be impressed by an iphone.

The iphone isn't a status symbol (and neither is android). They're devices that anyone and their mother can get.

And if you really want to start measuring epeen using cellphone technology, the women would go after someone with a blackberry, because blackberry means business, which means money.
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cleolicious

Jan 23, 2011, 7:20 PM
Blackberry is so 2003.
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Scotty_bing

Jan 23, 2011, 11:02 PM
You're a moron for staying with them for so long... Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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ccanady

Jan 23, 2011, 11:17 PM
1. Verizon and AT&T prices are almost identical and 2. They did not rob you, you gave them all your thousands of dollars even though you knew for the past 4 years they did not work where you lived so guess what, it is not AT&T's fault you were too foolish to get something that worked for you. Funny thing is AT&T gave you the choice to leave them after two years.

People like yourself with iPhone's and keep getting iPhone's knowing your service does not work for you are like they slow kid who keeps getting burnt by fire but keeps touching it.

Guess what I have an iPhone on AT&T and I never have the issues you have because I know it works for me. I also have service with Verizon and Sprint so I am not biased to any carrier it just upsets...
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KSul

Jan 28, 2011, 8:41 PM
Hahahaha LOVE IT!
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