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Re: Verizon, "Amen to that"...they piss me off and I'm leaving, after a long time, when this contract is up. I have looked at the Q and was simply not impressed, compared to my current Treo, which, all and all, is pretty brilliant...but crippled by Verizon, of course.

I've read a lot of complaints about Bluetooth functionality (or lack there of) on Verizon Wireless devices. I agree that some devices, particularly some older ones lack certain bt profiles such as OBEX. However, more recent devices and all Windows Mobile devices seem to have most of this capability. What bt functionality is so important that you would leave the carrier if it were not available? As far as I can tell, now you get about 90% of all functionality (DUN, OBEX - sometimes limited to certain file types). If any are missing its usually because it would provide a means to circumvent other services offered by the carrier or they would potentially expose the carrier to lawsuits due to rights management violations. I think the whole "crip...
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From my experience with Verizon phones, they aren't able to transfer files (audio, pics, videos) over BT. Almost every Cingular phone I've had can do this. What's more, from what I've read, a lot of Verizon phones designate a majority of the device's internal memory for vCast content.

I just transfered a picture taken with the on board camera, ringtone and contact from my VZW Motorola Q to my wifes LG VX9800 via bt. So at least with these two phones, those types of files can be transfered. I also know I can use DUN on my Q as well. I can't speak to how much internal memory is designated for VCAST on each device. I can say with WM phones it's 0% since VCAST is not available on those devices. Again, my point is that it seems the whole bt issue is blown out of proportion. 99% of all subscribers have more bt functions than they will ever use. For the 1% of hackers that actually would somehow benefit from the other bt profiles its not worth the risk to VZWs investment in other platforms and services.

babydoc said:
I just transfered a picture taken with the on board camera, ringtone and contact from my VZW Motorola Q to my wifes LG VX9800 via bt. So at least with these two phones, those types of files can be transfered. I also know I can use DUN on my Q as well. I can't speak to how much internal memory is designated for VCAST on each device. I can say with WM phones it's 0% since VCAST is not available on those devices. Again, my point is that it seems the whole bt issue is blown out of proportion. 99% of all subscribers have more bt functions than they will ever use. For the 1% of hackers that actually would somehow benefit from the other bt profiles its not worth the risk to VZWs investment in other platforms and se

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OK, here goes....
Just because Cingular and T-Mobile choose to ignore the risks doesn't mean they're right and won't be held liable in the future. Take BCGi and RIM. Both chose to ignore patent infringement risks. Both were sued and lost. RIM nearly had to suspend it's service and wound up paying a huge settlement to NTP. BCGI was nearly put out of business. In fact, Cingular was implicated in the BCGi lawsuit and was held finanacially liable because they chose to continue to use BCGis prepaid platform even after BCGi was served. So you see, large corporations sometimes take calculated risks, sometimes they get away with, sometimes they don't. In regards to bt, VZW is choosing the high road, risking fewer subscriber additions but also prote...
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Good points, but yet, they also opened themselves up to lawsuits from their customers... V710 ring a bell?

This is America... any company and every company is probably gonna be sued at one point or another...

Peace,

Rafster

Not their most stellar device but we strayed way off the original topic. 😉 Not trying to imply VZW is perfect....more that there are many reasons carriers make the choices they do. None of them though are made to intentionally piss off potential customers.

Woah woah woah babydoc. We aren't here to talk about the issues with these "facts" or "rational arguments". We're here to have fiery "my phone/carrier/opinion is better than your phone/carrier/opinion" flame fests based on vague emotional distresses. 👿

/sarcasm

My hat is off to you. Well tabled argument. I too am tired of the whole "zomg!! verizon crippled this phone too they sux!!! im gettin cingular..."

If i had to choose, it'sd be t-mobile> Cingular sucks as well as Verizon (whom I currently use {I have a Q}). The MDA is the king of phones!!!

I agree with you. I have Verizon and have tried Cingular and T-Mobile. In a CDMA vs. GSM contest, Verizon would win hands down, especially when it comes to reception and customer service (not that Verizon is close to being perfect, but it still beats the other guys).

babydoc said:
OK, here goes....
Just because Cingular and T-Mobile choose to ignore the risks doesn't mean they're right and won't be held liable in the future. Take BCGi and RIM. Both chose to ignore patent infringement risks. Both were sued and lost. RIM nearly had to suspend it's service and wound up paying a huge settlement to NTP. BCGI was nearly put out of business. In fact, Cingular was implicated in the BCGi lawsuit and was held finanacially liable because they chose to continue to use BCGis prepaid platform even after BCGi was served. So you see, large corporations sometimes take calculated risks, sometimes they get away with, sometimes they don't. In regards to bt, VZW is choosing the high road, risking fewer s

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Ironic, using Mac OS X 10.4.8 I can transfer sound, video, pic and other files back and forth from either my Treo 650 or Q. It works fairly well actually...maybe slightly better on the Q.

My beef with Verizon goes beyond the Bluetooth thing which is only a small part of it. But its part of their philosophy, which is to extract as much money from people as possible. I agree with you about the bluetooth thing but they disable for the sake of these 'services' they 'provide' which are just silly ways of getting people spend more money...ie, 'Get it Now'. Also, their data plans are just too expensive plus if you get EVDO that's another $15 on top. I also hate the homogenizing of phones by putting their own standard menus into all their phones. As I use smartphones it doesn't really effect me, but I can't say I want to support the further dumbing down of America. We have enough of that already.

Any data plan with Verizon or Cingular is going to be some what expensive. But with Cingular phones at least you don't have to purchase cool content to have cool content. And it def sux for Verizon customers that they have to purchase everything that they want.

I dunno guys.....sounds like you're telling me Cingular gives all their data content away for free if you purchase a data plan. If that were the case, their ARPU would not be in the same ballpark as VZWs (it is). Last I heard, all companies are in business to make money and it's a significant investment to put platforms in place to offer data dervices like video, ringtones, ring back tones, mobile web, music etc....You know where I'm going.

I agree but with Cingular phones at least, you can upload your own content from either a memory card or BT it from your CPU. It's always about making money, I mean it is a business after all. But Verizon, in my opinion, goes above and beyond to force customers to purchase content that they provide by crippling their handsets.

Again this "crippled" word. As I said, for 99% of subscribers, the bt functionality provided in the the newer devices is more than they'll ever use. How is that crippled? Perhaps you are referring to other services VZW charges for and Cingular does not.If so please elaborate. To my knowledge the two carriers data offerings are quite similar.

I'm stuck with Verizon till 8/08. The 6700 is what makes me not leave them. I had a Q once. It sucks; but then again, anything sucks compared to a pocket pc.

Yo Choco:
Aren' t you the same person who has had a love /hate with your Q on their forum? Man, pick a lane..didn;t you just "repurchase" a Q?
Why do you dislike the Q so much..curious.

I didn't like it because of the battery issues & the video problems; but I did go back to the Q because although I had those problems, It wasn't as slow as the 6700 was. Despite the crappy battery, it works just fine.