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Top message:  CANADA BECOMING PART OF THE US?? by lowtechlou   Jul 23, 2008, 11:22 AM

Replying to:  Re: yea right!!! by lowtechlou   Jul 24, 2008, 2:46 PM

Re: yea right!!!

by Webb    Aug 5, 2008, 2:08 PM

lowtechlou said:
yeah but here in the us we can get almost INSTANT attention from our hospitals and doctors...and not have to wait 6 months to a year....I guess thats why michael J. fOX BECAME A US CITIZEN...AND why others from canada come to the us for cancer treatment.

Umm. My mom stayed in Canada for her cancer treatment. She did not have a six month wait for it. She had to wait a few weeks for the surgery (which is normal as tests were being run). Her sister is actually a cancer specialist stateside (my mother being a US citizen by birth), and she seemed to have the utmost confidence in our ability to treat the problem ourselves. Some of the therapies that my mom was given were rather bleeding edge, actually. Still in trial. That was years ago. She's been fine ever since.

Wheras I've had a number of friends down in the US who've had the fun of going through the whole cancer thing. I would say that things weren't so rosey for them.

One was a lovely girl I knew who is probably the main reason why I really can't hate the US, despite its tendency to breed charming folks such as yourself. She came back from deployment feeling inexplicably bad, figuring she'd contracted some tropical nasties overseas. After a few months of poking and prodding, they figured out she had cancer, and that it was at that point in her pancreas and liver. She was advised that there were no treatment options, and that she had about 4 months to live. She managed ten. Admittedly, I'm not sure she'd have managed any better up here, except perhaps for better access to early detection and experimental treatments.

Another was a friend of mine who had a history of bad headaches. The sort of history that would result in her getting referred for an MRI up here (possibly low priority, resulting in a few months wait, but she would get one). In her case, she went through several periods without insurance coverage where she couldn't really afford to go to a doctor at all, let alone get an MRI. Her headaches kept getting worse. Then one day she collapsed at work and had to be rushed to the hospital.

The good news at this point is that she has health care coverage through her new job. Everything is going to be alright, right? Right?

Well, it turns out that her headaches are caused by a great big tumor in her head that's pressing against the part of the brain that controls vision (which rather explained why she never seemed to have the best peripheral vision). She NEEDS surgery. But guess what her new insurance provider does? That's right - pre-existing condition, so neener neener neener, we're not paying for your surgery.

The good news is, she got the surgery. The bad news is, getting the tumor out kind of messed up her brain, to the point where she's permanently disabled. She also was unable to afford the hospital bills, and had to declare bankruptcy. Up here, she might have had to wait a few months for treatment, but she would've been able to start the treatment process many years earlier than she did, greatly diminishing the odds of ending up permanently disabled. She also wouldn't have been bankrupted in the process.

Here's the thing about all of these actors you mentioned, including Michael J. Fox. They're rich, so they're pretty secure as far as health care goes. Most people aren't. I have a hunch that he probably became a US citizen not for the health care, but because he was living and working in the US for years and years because (gasp!) that's where Hollywood is, and for a while that was the only game in town for folks like him. I mean, I've never heard him say a bad thing about Canada. Have you?

And I can't help but think that someone like him would probably benefit from the stem cells therapies that we've been toying with up here (but which you legally can't develop down stateside). I understand they're showing a lot of promise for treatment of Parkinson's.

Hey, since you seem like a worldly, knowledgeable individual, I can't help but wonder if you knew that we live longer than your countrymen, on average, despite living in a subarctic heck?

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