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Top message:  Thinking out loud by cellphonesaretools   Oct 24, 2011, 11:17 PM

Replying to:  Re: ????? by cellphonesaretools   Nov 1, 2011, 12:14 AM

Re: ?????

by gloopey1    Nov 1, 2011, 6:34 PM

gloopey1 said:
How do you figure that Sprint is "cannibalizing" Nextel?

cellphonesaretools said:
Simple. Sprint is taking much of the existing iDEN bandwidth and converting it to CDMA channels. Given the massive customer exodus from Nextel, it makes sense to do that now, but the fact of the matter is, much of the 850 MHz bandwidth that was formerly iDEN is now being used for Sprint's other networks. That type of action is frequently (and accurately) referred to as "cannibalization".

So let me get this straight--if Nextel had stayed independent and done this to themselves, they would also be guilty of cannibalization? Isn't that a very negative word no matter who's doing it to whom?

gloopey1 said:
Although you might argue that Nextel alone would've done it better, it still was going to happen.

cellphonesaretools said:
Agreed, Nextel would have done it far, far better than Sprint has done it. Eventually Nextel would have either migrated entirely to CDMA or Flarion, or they might have moved all voice & data to CDMA or Flarion and kept some of the original iDEN equipment & channels intact just for the PTT calls. We'll never know for sure now which technologies Nextel would have adopted, but the two things that are certain is that [a] Nextel would have done it better (IMO) than Sprint and [b] Nextel was laready ahead of the curve, with regional testing for network technology upgrades already happening as early as 2003-2004 time frame.

I think you missed my point here. Regardless of who would've done a better job, the end result would be the same--Nextel iDEN would become CDMA with QChat. Nextel, not Sprint, created this technology along with Motorola and Qualcomm years ago--long before the merger. It isn't about what might have happened, it was a forgone conclusion. To argue that QChat is a bad idea and that Sprint is somehow raping Nextel's old network is to bury your head in the sands of reality. All Sprint did was execute a plan already in the works. No, the Flarion thing didn't work out, but that part was never in stone anyway.

gloopey1 said:
Nextel never had a single year that their customer service or network tied with Verizon, yet Sprint has managed to accomplish this.

cellphonesaretools said:
Both statements within that one sentence are absolutely flase statements. You are so incredibly wrong, so unfamiliar with the original Nextel history and so wrong about the current stats for Sprint, it is astonishing. Google all of the US wireless industry's quarterly & annual reports for, say, 2002-present and you'll discover that before Sprint bought Nextel, Nextel and Verizon were usually neck-and-neck, both tied for first place in most of the customer-satisfaction type measures. At the same time, Nextel had by far higher ARPU and ARPE than did Verizon, and Nextel at that time was winning multiple awards annually, for example being one of the best places to work in IT in the US, was winning the majority of the US , state & county government contracts, etc etc etc.

The bottom line is that Nextel never achieved that status where it counts the most: JD Powers and Consumer Reports. Regardless of what you may personally think of either consumer group, most companies covet their ratings. Go ogling stats about any company is basically useless because you can find good and bad for any that you want. Sprint was posting favorable ratings from certain organizations during the years they sucked the worst. By the way, profit margins are never a good indication of how great a product is. If that were the case, these punk rappers would be the benchmark of quality in the music industry. Alas, this is not the case by a long shot.

gloopey1 said:
Nobody on either forum gets your point of view--maybe jrdsf?.

cellphonesaretools said:
So let me get this straight: Now you claim to know what everyone else in these forums is thinking so you can speak for them. Very impressive! Knowing that is the case now, I can see it is useless to try to help you understand Nextel's history accurately.

The amazing part to me is you constantly complain how Sprint is ignoring its Nextel customer base when they are pouring millions of $$$ into building a new network that emulates decades old technology. Sprint didn't abandon Nextel, its idiot subscriber base did in order to buy stupid iPhones and overpriced Verizon crap.

gloopey1 said:
What do you base your opinions on other than your own personal experience & maybe your peers?

cellphonesaretools said:
Well, yes, I think in general it is best to base one's opinions chiefly on one's own personal experience, combined with doing enough proper research to know one is expressing statements based on verifiable facts, and stirring in a smattering of feedback from one's peers & colleagues recounting their own experiences to round out the "knowledge base" on a given topic. Sure, I'll cop to that, and thank you for the compliment. I think most thinking, diligent, honest people would be happy to be accused of forming their opinions and making their statements that way, rather than simply spewing fanboi fantasy rhetoric and attempting to pass it off for facts, like the typical Nextel-hating Sprint fanboys do.

The problem with basing opinions on personal experience is that rarely do any of us ever have all of the facts when doing so. Think of all the racists in the world who hate other ethnic groups because of there own limited experiences. I say that careful research is the best way to determine what is or isn't good. Too many times emotions come into play when doing otherwise.

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