hobble along with cingy's ptt? initial connect isnt as quick as nextel but quicker then anybody else's. you can do more with cingy's ptt then nextels, but u cant track em with dots like nextel can haha love that commercial so funny

what exactly can u do with cingys then nextels? anyone who has had nextel for a while wont settle for any one elses ptt feature because it does not compare at all. it doesnt matter if they dont get the best reception, all the people who have nextel only keep it because of the ptt

i can answer that, i have cingy's ptt, you can set ur availability to do not disturb or im available, and if ur phone is on vibrate or silent, on the other person's phone it will show up as available silent/vibrate,

you get a dedicated ptt menu w/ contacts and symbols that shows pple's availability, you can do alerts as you do w/ nextel, you can ptt to voicemail, you select a contact, go to options and press ptt to voicemail, and you press and hold the ptt button, record ur message and let go of the button then it sends the voicemail, also my favorite feature is the "convert to cellular option" the originator of the ptt call can convert the ptt into a regular interconnected call.

woot cingy PPT is great just as fast as my nextel plus i have about 10 friends that have it i can get them all togther with PPT convert to cell and then have a tenway call

wanna chirp, cingular style

Brilliant on Cingular's part, because I'll bet you dollars to donuts that as soon as you convert from PTT to a cellular call you're paying with minutes used for all ten connections (your friends paying only for their one connection). At least that's the way it works with 3-way cellular calling. Read the fine print on Cingy's convert PTT to cellular call for a 10-way call and let us know exactly how you get billed for those 10-way cellular calls.

BTW, for 3-way cellular calls, Nextel charges only for 1X minutes, all other carriers charge you 3X minutes while the 3-way call is in progress (even Sprint). Also, when you put a cell call on hold Nextel only dings for 1X minutes, every other carrier dings for 2X minutes while other call is on ho...
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The plus with cingular is that all their plans come with unlimited mobile to mobile, so when you convert your PTT into a 3 way or 10 way call, its still going to be free, b/c you're talking to Cingular customers, no cost. 😁

I must say.... you just OWNED him... and I am not even a Cingular customer/fan.

Wow! What a contributor you are, SprintPOSguy. All asiatic1982 did was answer the question I posed in the last sentence of the first paragraph. Here's a tip: (1) Read all of what's in front of you, and (2) think before you post.
A little cranky about Sprint's POS performance, are you?

Nice... Sprint POS. 🤣 I'm gonna have to use that one, if you don't mind, because that's EXACTLY what it is.

that is nuts 🤣 🤣

That's because Cingular's PTT call is essentially a cellular call to begin with, the way I see it. That's why it takes longer to connect.

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i can answer that, i have cingy's ptt, you can set ur availability to do not disturb or im available, and if ur phone is on vibrate or silent, on the other person's phone it will show up as available silent/vibrate,

you get a dedicated ptt menu w/ contacts and symbols that shows pple's availability, you can do alerts as you do w/ nextel, you can ptt to voicemail, you select a contact, go to options and press ptt to voicemail, and you press and hold the ptt button, record ur message and let go of the button then it sends the voicemail, also my favorite feature is the "convert to cellular option" the originator of the ptt call can convert the ptt into a regular interconnected call.

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What's this about the dots? I must have missed that commercial...everybody is talking about these dots...fill me in!

LOL!!! Are you agitaten' my dots?!?

Hmmm...definitely missed that one. When was it on, or is it on now?

I FINALLY saw that commercial today during the NASCAR race...yes, funny!

lol 🙄

"You should research before you post; if you can't contribute something factual or enlightening, don't bother posting."

His kind of posts seems to be the norm now-a-days on this forum.

Bingo. The only reason people assume CDMA is better than iDEN is because it can't roam. If you look at Verizon's network by itself, for example, it is just as spotty, if not worse, than Nextel's iDEN network.

Very good point, but capacity wise, IDEN is inferior to CDMA networks.

And CDMA networks are inferior in voice quality, reception quality, and PTT capabilities. Capacity issues can be solved, but voice quality and signal strength in poor reception conditions (i.e.. metal buildings, trees, mountainous territory etc.) are inherent flaws in the way CDMA operates. So what makes more sense? moving everything over to CDMA and working to resolve its problems, or keeping IDEN the way it is and resolving capacity issues? The big reason SN is wanting to go with CDMA is because CDMA IS EVERYWHERE! Plus, factor in that more money is being poured into technologies to improve CDMA and GSM networks and services and you begin to see the REAL reason for the move. It's much, much cheaper and easier to buy roaming agreements with...
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Capacity issues cannot be solved with a network already burdened with capacity issues.


Shares move up and down so that does not matter. Look at VZ they had an excellent quarter but their stock been killed. So what. Does not make a difference. Sprint’s shares were actually up after they reported that bad quarter.

If there was a solution out there that was close to Nextel’s people would get it. Qchat solves that whole problem.

A bad quarter is nothing compared to several bad ones and no new subscriber growth. We can talk all we want to about capacity issues and the like, but if the general public doesn't want something, all the changes in the world won't fix it. Sprint is not growing anywhere near the rate that VZW and Cingular is and that's a fact! Although I personally think the criticisms and customer wariness to Sprint products has been unfounded for the most part, the perception still exists and my point is Sprint didn't do themselves any favors by overplaying the problems with Nextel's network. Now, not only do people have a negative view of Sprint, they now also have one of Nextel, and their thinking is: why mess around with either Sprint or Nextel when VZW...
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Well, there obvious is not growth like VZ and Cingular, but there is still growth. If you compare data and prepaid they are doing much better, but with voice, obviously not.


People are still buying prepaid and data though, so they like the company, but with voice and trying to go up against VZ is very tough.

If there were no merger, Nextel would be in a world of trouble.

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Well, there obvious is not growth like VZ and Cingular, but there is still growth. If you compare data and prepaid they are doing much better, but with voice, obviously not.


People are still buying prepaid and data though, so they like the company, but with voice and trying to go up against VZ is very tough.

If there were no merger, Nextel would be in a world of trouble.

Well, the fact of the matter is, Nextel wasn't in a world of trouble at all. The main reason companies like Sprint and Nextel or Cingular and ATT get together is very simple: THE MONEY. It's very profitable if you are a major stockholder in a company to sell out to a bigger one. I know this from personal experience...
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Yes, Nextel was in a world of trouble actually. With a few factors; capacity issues, no data and finally subscriber growth has decreased. There was no way for Nextel to be a standalone company going forward without going to CDMA or some type of better network than IDEN that will allow for an easy upgrade to a 3g+ data network.

The main reason why they merge is synergies and they think a merger would be better since they should be better together. The other reason might be the golden parachutes but that happens even with stock performance and other things. I am/was a shareholder for both of the mergers, but we thought the companies would be better together especially delivering synergies and dividends to the shareholders.

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Yes, Nextel was in a world of trouble actually. With a few factors; capacity issues, no data and finally subscriber growth has decreased. There was no way for Nextel to be a standalone company going forward without going to CDMA or some type of better network than IDEN that will allow for an easy upgrade to a 3g+ data network.

The main reason why they merge is synergies and they think a merger would be better since they should be better together. The other reason might be the golden parachutes but that happens even with stock performance and other things. I am/was a shareholder for both of the mergers, but we thought the companies would be better together especially delivering synergies and dividends to

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One addendum to my above reply, other than $$$, the biggest reason Nextel wanted to merge with Sprint was because of competition. Cingular and ATT had just merged not too long before this and had become a HUGE company. Nextel's motivation from a company standpoint was not changing networks, but being able to better compete with two mega corporation wireless companies (VZW, & ATT). Also with their PTT patent now up, they had to be able to find other ways to compete with the big boys. Again, capacity and network issues WERE NOT the considerations going into all this, money and competition were. Nextel before the merger had no intention whatsoever of ever shutting down IDEN and going for something else. Their ownership of QChat was simply to k...
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Simple. More spectrum, bigger platform, more devices, more solutions, and more customers.

Churn actually started to creep up towards the merger anyway and net ads were starting to decrease.


Yea, that is true that these mergers were because of competition and it made best suit to merge with a company such as Sprint combined with Nextel’s assets.

That 2.5 GHz and Qchat were other reasons why they merged.

When they secured the exclusivity rights for Qchat, it was a matter of when or if they are going to CDMA and this way, the merger, allowed them to do it without spending billions and billions of dollars on spectrum and equipment to do so.

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Simple. More spectrum, bigger platform, more devices, more solutions, and more customers.

Churn actually started to creep up towards the merger anyway and net ads were starting to decrease.


Yea, that is true that these mergers were because of competition and it made best suit to merge with a company such as Sprint combined with Nextel’s assets.

That 2.5 GHz and Qchat were other reasons why they merged.

When they secured the exclusivity rights for Qchat, it was a matter of when or if they are going to CDMA and this way, the merger, allowed them to do it without spending billions and billions of dollars on spectrum and equipment to do so.

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Churn is creeping up a lot actually and with negative additions on the higher margins are not’ helping either, but they are on a good role with newer products and solutions coming to the marketplace.

You also forgot to say the assets.

It is a good excuse because that is the truth. Ask the customers in Florida and in California as well as others as soon as the Consensus Plan started. Even Boost is struggling because of capacity issues.

The capacity issues will still go over until they start to bring over the 20 million or so IDEN customers to CDMA and that will take a lot of time to do hence the reason why they are extending the life. The dual mode devices and Qchat will be huge relief for offloading capacity. Remember, Direct Conn...
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Yes. Cingular is shutting down their AMPS network as well as TDMA. My point being they aren't doing their customers any favors by not allowing roaming on AMPS anymore. they're in effect reducing their coverage. And the whole "AMPS isn't as good as GSM" argument doesn't change the fact that their customers, by not having that roaming option, lose considerable coverage. By comparison, if you do away with IDEN completely, not just voice and data, Nextel customers lose a walkie talkie that's second to none. One thing you forget in this equation of IDEN PTT vs. QChat PTT is it's not only connection speed that matters, but convenience of use. The biggest thing you lose other than connection speed with VOIP PTT is 'short dialing'. For those reading...
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Where does it say AMPS? Can you perhaps show me?

If Qchat is close to Nextel’s IDEN DC, it won’t matter about the short dialing or what not. Even when VZ and Sprint released it’s blandish push to talk, it still had subscribers when people switched over and they didn’t complain.

Again, big customers didn’t care too much about that whole situation when testing Qchat because as long as there is reliability and applications to use it, they don’t care. In addition, a bigger network will also help. I have to say that perhaps push to talk’s market is declining a lot and more than what you realize.
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So! Finally you admit it! This is what I've been saying all along. DC isn't going anywhere, period! Too many people don't want something else in its place and are unwilling to switch. That's why these 'talks' are taking place because SN knows this finally after tons of feedback from loyal IDEN customers who are happy with what they have. Short dialing IS very important because it greatly reduces the amount of time it takes to call someone. This probably unintended side benefit feature will be unavailable on ANY kind of VOIP PTT because as stated before there is no fleet number to work off of, just the cellular number, which can't be accessed in this way. This may sound trivial, but to die-hard Nextellians who are concerned about speed, every...
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So! Finally you admit it! This is what I've been saying all along. DC isn't going anywhere, period! Too many people don't want something else in its place and are unwilling to switch. That's why these 'talks' are taking place because SN knows this finally after tons of feedback from loyal IDEN customers who are happy with what they have. Short dialing IS very important because it greatly reduces the amount of time it takes to call someone. This probably unintended side benefit feature will be unavailable on ANY kind of VOIP PTT because as stated before there is no fleet number to work off of, just the cellular number, which can't be accessed in this way. This may sound trivial, but to die-hard Nextellians who

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I did not say that the push to talk centric users will go, but I was stating that the market for newer customers is starting to diminish.

Can you show a link?

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I did not say that the push to talk centric users will go, but I was stating that the market for newer customers is starting to diminish.

Can you show a link?

I don't know how to show links on forum replies. The article is in the phone scoop news archives, March 22, 2006 under Cingular prepares to shut down legacy networks.

Oh yes I found it.

In this; “At TelecomNext Cingular CEO Stan Sigman said the company is prepared to shut down its legacy TDMA and analog networks by 2008. The end of the analog network was expected - the federal government mandated 2008 was the earliest a carrier could shut down analog service, and the carrier has few analog subscribers. The shut down of the TDMA network, while not a surprise, comes earlier than expected as there are still several million TDMA customers. However, a Cingular spokesman added that 95% of its traffic is already on the carrier's GSM network, and legacy subscribers are switching to GSM for advanced phones and less expensive calling plans.” I do not see AMPS.

AMPS- advanced mobile phone service, created by ATT in the early 80's. An analog cellular network. Still used by some cellular networks for backup coverage in rural areas. covers more of the U.S. than all digital networks COMBINED. If you look at older cell phone owners manuals produced a few years ago by both ATT and Cingular, it tells that this is the network they used as a backup where there TDMA networks didn't have coverage. My point, whether you call it AMPS, analog or whatever is that when Cingular switched over to GSM, they eliminated roaming on analog networks and are now charging customers who still have older handsets a fee (I think it's &5.00) per month to use it . Soon, Nobody on Cingular will be able to use it, period. Even th...
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I know what AMPS is, but I don’t see in that release where it says it or is it automatically defined as that?

Well Nextel’s coverage is very good, the problem is capacity and interference issues. Those 2 factors are the most important things that influences how well or how well not the network will perform. They have the spectrum, somewhat, and they certainly have the towers in order to have a very good network, but those two things are hindering that. If the consensus plan gets done that will definitely improve the capacity and coverage in many areas. I can tell you for a fact that contacts and I had great service prior to the consensus plan and have diminished service because of it and that is evident by the DB and other technical numb...
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I. too, think Nextel has pretty good coverage considering that they don't roam onto any other network; it's only off the main routes and ourside of major metro areas that Nextel's coverage is not great. Within metro areas and main roads, Nextel can go toe-to-toe with the best of them.

Just as another example of yet another way Nextel's iDEN PTT positively smashes VZW's and Cingular's, I Googled the topic then excerpted a bunch of reports praising Nextel's PTT system during and after the 9-11 attacks . Nextel's CELLULAR system went down in the east due to (1) Verizon's main lines/switches were destroyed in the WTC collapse and Nextel contracted with VZ to carry Nextel's cellular on VZ's landlines in that area, and (2) of course all carrier...
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Nextel's coverage in my area is actually much better than anybody else (especially where I work), this is one reason why I have it. My comments were only with regard to NATIONWIDE coverage where you could at least make a phone call, even it you're roaming. Lack of analog backup is my only BIG complaint with Nextel, but then, nothing in life is perfect, so you take the good with the bad. I too have read some of those news articles you've provided. This is exactly why I'm having a very hard time believing that suddenly there's this big 'crisis' with the IDEN network. I think what Sprint has done is take legitimate problems that the Nextel network is having, and make them seem a lot bigger than they really are. I still believe based on informat...
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Nice find.

What the release tells us in anutshell is that analog roaming will no longer be available to Cingular's customer's who want it, thus they lose coverage areas they once had. Like you stated above, it's because of money they are doing this, not as a benefit to the customer. Yes, Nextel does have good coverage where it exists, but one only needs to look at a coverage map of the U.S. to see how very little it is nationwide compared to other carriers. To address the issues with IDEN, yes, I know they exist and never said they didn't, just simply that IDEN isn't in crisis, and it's problems unsolvable. This is what Sprint originally wanted everyone to believe to justify to Nextel customers the shutting down of IDEN and moving everyone over to CDMA...
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Yea but IDEN cant grow and expand its capacity like GSM and CDMA can.

It is also better for SN to have one network to manage and to fund.

To manage and fund my friend, THAT'S what it's all about. I may change my mind though. Just this week, Sprint has added more free stuff to my account. Well, maybe I can put up with whatever they come up with in the future, because My wife and I have had VZW and Cingular and those guys never gave us anything! True, you pay for it with your monthly service, but still, I don't remember VZW ever adding bonus minutes to our account just to say, "thanks for your business", or Cingular sending a free phone to us in the mail, just in case one breaks. So, I may be using 'push to wait' SprintNextel style in the future. Anyway, I've enjoyed debating this issue with you and you sir (or madame) are a true gentleperson and great debater.

It is all about execution and obviously that is not working right now with Sprint and perhaps if Comcast takes over Sprint or a management change at Sprint the performance will be better.

I have enjoyed it and thanks very much. See it is hard to keep things civil around here. Check out the other forums especially when they name call.

I am a dude by the way.

Comcast is looking at Sprint? Didn't know that. I'm a satellite t.v. user myself, Comcast is unavailable in my area (Charter Communications is the cable provider). That might be very interesting. I totally agree about civility. Debates should only have intellectual casualities, not personal ones. I think name calling and questioning the character and intents of someone's heart is very distasteful and not to mention rude. I think once you start calling someone else names, you've lost the debate, no matter how correct your position may be. I've been very tough on Sprint in this and other forums, and I think some people mistake toughness for a dislike of. One thing I know is Sprint and other carriers have folks dedicated to reading major discus...
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Very true, but check out the forums and people who did name calling, especially against me a while back- it is sad. It is only a forum and should not be apart of one’s life.

Anyway, about Comcast and Sprint well, I and Citigroup came out with a report check it out on the Sprint forum. The URL is https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php ?fm=m&ff=1&fi=871579

Enjoy. (If you want to discuss it, discuss it there.)

I did see one where they were talking about your lack of spelling. Oh well, my dad can't spell anything either, and he's a pretty smart guy. I saw a forum one time (not on PS) where two individuals were not only calling each other the absolute worst names you can think of, they were actually talking about getting together to settle it once and for all by ARM WRESTLING each other! I wonder how they thought the quality of their wireless carriers would improve by putting arms on a table and duking it out among-st themselves? I'm going to check out that link, very interesting. I'm looking to totally do away with my land line phone service in the near future and the only thing hindering me now is my DSL service (Charter high-speed is no good in ...
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yea. The broadband cards from Sprint are very very good. (Wait until REV A comes and WImax comes. )

its sad how people would go into intensive arguments over which carrier is the best and defend them when the carrier only cares about their money, its funny actually but i could not agree more with your statement. and im glad that i have the freedom to chose any company and technology i want, i stopped consumer loyalty towards coporations, i still loyal to a few tho