Dual Mode iDEN /CDMA phone may not come out....
http://mrtmag.com/mag/radio_idens_murky_future/ »
Although Sprint says it will offer a combined iDEN/CDMA handset, Motorola says it has not made a final commitment to building them. Concerns over market size for such a device could prevent Motorola from taking the plunge. Compounding matters for Sprint is that there currently aren't many options beyond Motorola, as no other handset vendor thus far has tried to build an iDEN handset.
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I'm going to take bets on Sanyo (if Moto allows it) with a poor attempt at a dual-mode handset. (I can even send them an 'ol i730 if they want to take it apart and see what makes it tick)
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Currently Sprint Nextel is not working on a true dual mode handset. What they are working on is a handset that would have CDMA as the voice option and iDEN as the walkie talkie option.
Right now they are evaluating where they need to shore up coverage to match each other. It would be a bit embarrassing if you go to make a voice call but the only part of the phone that works is the walkie talkie. Or vice versa.
It will be some time before you see a phone with true dual mode....That is if ever. Why would you need it actually when you think about it.
Right now they are evaluating where they need to shore up coverage to match each other. It would be a bit embarrassing if you go to make a voice call but the only part of the phone that works is the walkie talkie. Or vice versa.
It will be some time before you see a phone with true dual mode....That is if ever. Why would you need it actually when you think about it.
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Sprint/NEXTEL can work on it all they want, but until they get the buy in from Motorola it isn't going to happen.
Like the article says, being there is such a small market share it isn't worth Moto's time to do the R&D and tool up for such a limited number of handsets.
Like the article says, being there is such a small market share it isn't worth Moto's time to do the R&D and tool up for such a limited number of handsets.
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I dispute the article's "small market share" comment. I have customers who would purchase the phone.
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I would call the iDEN based NEXTEL sub's a small number as compared to the CDMA & GSM numbers that Motorola manufacturers for. It is quite an undertaking to create a phone with a new chipset (iDEN & CDMA), build a prototype to provide to the FCC for type acceptance, line up manufacturers to build the sub-assemblies, and then finally create the assembly line to build a phone whose iDEN/CDMA roaming features may only last 3 years as once the re-banding is done Sprint will deploy CDMA in the current NPSPAC 821/866 spectrum and iDEN will disappear.
In addition, Motorola would have to re-write the software of the iDEN system to allow CDMA roaming to an inherently dead technology that has little life left.
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In addition, Motorola would have to re-write the software of the iDEN system to allow CDMA roaming to an inherently dead technology that has little life left.
You have to look at the bigger pic...
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i actually agree with you that i dont think many people would be interested in this type of phone that will be coming out. (the people who i have talked to and did some surveys on said that they werent really interested in this type of device)
time will tell though.
i think iden will be gone after qchat will be implemented on rev a becuase they will start to convert and bring over spectrum, towers and subscribers becuase no point of having iden anymore.
time will tell though.
i think iden will be gone after qchat will be implemented on rev a becuase they will start to convert and bring over spectrum, towers and subscribers becuase no point of having iden anymore.
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In my opinion, if you have something that WORKS, why mess with it? Nextel is rock solid, and it's a shame that they merged with Sprint and their lousy CDMA network. I just wish we could get more new iDEN phones, preferrably at a faster rate than now, and keep Nextel just the way it is.
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That is true with what you have said because if you have a great product that is working why not? But there is a problem. Qchat is the upcoming product in the push to talk arena especially over REV A and having a 1.5 second set up call latency which is very good. Obviously Nextel got exclusivity rights on this which was a smart thing to do, but they should use it at some point. The whole point of that was to slowly migrate to CDMA whether a huge merger like this one or to do it by themselves, which would be very expensive and they would be behind the other carriers. Problem is, Nextel isn’t rocked solid because they have a lack of spectrum, capacity and having a lot of problems with interference and with Motorola. Obviously they have acquire...
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what moto should do is let Iden off its chain and let other manufacturers put iden chipsets in their phones w/out royalites so more than one manufacturer can produce cdma/iden phones
but this cdma/iden phone is gonna be temporary because evdo rev a. might include qchat and the whole cdma/iden thing might be a waste of money but i kinda think it will be more like a revenue boost so sprint can put out rev. a without breaking themselves
this whole cdma/iden hybrid thing is a temporary solution until qchat comes out, it is there to fulfill the needs of sprint customers who need ptt, and maybe moto dont have to lisence(incorrectly spelled, i know) iden because everyone probably wont use ptt,
thats y nextel was for business and bluecollar...
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but this cdma/iden phone is gonna be temporary because evdo rev a. might include qchat and the whole cdma/iden thing might be a waste of money but i kinda think it will be more like a revenue boost so sprint can put out rev. a without breaking themselves
this whole cdma/iden hybrid thing is a temporary solution until qchat comes out, it is there to fulfill the needs of sprint customers who need ptt, and maybe moto dont have to lisence(incorrectly spelled, i know) iden because everyone probably wont use ptt,
thats y nextel was for business and bluecollar...
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The iDEN PTT capability is extremely handy once you've had it. Verizon/Sprint/Tmobile/Cingular people don't get it because they've never really had it. Some are turned off by the Nextel chirp and hearing both sides of the PTT conversation, but just like any speaker phone, the user can choose to blast it out loud or go to "earpiece mode" just like a regular non-speakerphone cellphone call.
The NextMail feature is an INCREDIBLY useful tool courtesy of Nextel's Direct Connect/PTT capabilty, and it is Nextel's sad bungle that they don't push it in the marketplace, becasue once you've used NextMail you'll never give it up. Only one thing could improve NextMail and that's adding "PTT-to-voicemail" in addition to the existing PTT-to-email. Direct ...
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The NextMail feature is an INCREDIBLY useful tool courtesy of Nextel's Direct Connect/PTT capabilty, and it is Nextel's sad bungle that they don't push it in the marketplace, becasue once you've used NextMail you'll never give it up. Only one thing could improve NextMail and that's adding "PTT-to-voicemail" in addition to the existing PTT-to-email. Direct ...
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well you really made a good point but iden may be good or bad but its not gonna last long, i think nextel fullfilled the needs of business customers and bluecollar workers without the frills(i like the frills, im a feature freak) but people are different but you know some technologies last and some die out, i havent used iden enough to judge it but cdma and gsm are more reliable in my opinion and im a cingular person i like Kodiak RTX's ptt because it has many features like ptt to voicemail, availability, group(iden can hold up to 100 tho, thus extending my point that iden was made for business customers and bluecollar workers), and Convert to cellular when you want it to turn into a regular cell phone call, the ptt solution can work across ...
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Not sure if you know but the IDEN network has been a cash generating machine for a while now and is a big contributor to Sprint’s revenue and income so they aren’t going to do away with IDEN because it is a simple thing to do especially since Sprint’s legacy is struggling. When one of your businesses makes a ton of money its hard to let it go without having a back up plan in place to carry forward these huge revenue and income from. I think IDEN can last but there are problems when you overlay a network onto of the IDEN network. They actually wanted to do this before they sought to merge with Sprint. They wanted to overlay IDEN with Flarion but that would be problematic especially since they problems with spectrum and interference. Perhaps ...
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I agree that mobile phone providers should address the needs of business-oriented as well as consumer-oriented & technophile types. That is why I lament the aquisition of Nextel by Sprint; the Nextel philosophy, personality and methods have been usurped by the Sprint consumer-oriented mindset. It's a sad loss for business; Nextel never pretended to be anything than what it was, and it did a great job in its business-oriented/PTT niche. But the Sprint brand has ignored the brand value of Nextel and is just milking Nextel as a cash cow without giving Nextel the proper marketing visibility and respect it deserves. The Nextel brand has become a mere footnote in all of Sprint's ads, announcements, website, product introductions, etc., and in my o...
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No Motorola shouldn’t, because if they open this up and it is a very big part of there business without royalties then that is like opening up your source code of your biggest product without being forced too. It would be a stupid move on Motorola’s part.
These type of devices are just temporary and there will be more feature-rich phones in the future if they see fit, and more importantly is what I have pointing out ever since the merger is that Qchat might get people’s attention more than what DC has to offer especially when it is over a bigger and better network with REV A capabilities.
These type of devices are just temporary and there will be more feature-rich phones in the future if they see fit, and more importantly is what I have pointing out ever since the merger is that Qchat might get people’s attention more than what DC has to offer especially when it is over a bigger and better network with REV A capabilities.
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ic502 is the phone and yes it will be coming out it was announced the other day
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i heard from my sources that sprint is dumping the iden network all together and will be swticthing everyone to the sprint push to talk. now if this does happen then they will be losing a lot of customers b/c of sprints delay in thier push to talk
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that isnt true at all. sprint will continue to fund iden network until the 2008 timeframe where they will slowly migrate customers, spectrum and towers. they need to wait until qchat will be deployed on ev-do rev a before they even focus and switch anyone to sprint's push to talk becuase their push to talk solution is a joke and qchat is so much better.
so your sources are wrong. lol.
so your sources are wrong. lol.
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QChat is CDMA PTT that is just about as fast as iDEN DC on the setup call. It works over high-speed EV-DO on CDMA. Sprint's current PTT is on CDMA 1xRTT, which sucks. Hopefully they can get QChat to be as good as DC...they have plenty of time to fine tune it if they are going to run iDEN until at least 2010...but it's the closest thing to DC right now.
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It isn’t as fast yet as Nextel’s direct connect but it is far better than any of the push to talk solutions out there achieving set up call speeds of 1.5 seconds during a few tests over the REV A network and it is about 2 or so years before they will implement it, unless REV A will be 100% overlay sooner.
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Best part is...Qualcomm has an exclusive agreement with Nextel, so carriers like Verizon can't get their hands on QChat.
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Since I can't sleep I might as well address your concerns and sorry for the huge delay- I simply didn't see this post.
Qchat is a push to talk solution over the REV A network, (EV-DO) which will be implemented by Qualcomm, Motorola and Nextel and they signed exclusivity deal so that no one in North America and some other parts of the world can use this technology.
There were a few tests with this solution and it obtained set up speeds of 1.5 seconds and unnoticeable delay on the intra-call, which are very close to Nextel’s current DC.
Qchat will be on Sprint’s network by 2008 or sooner unless REV A is 100% deployed and as usual I will provide updates on this fascinating solution.
Qchat is a push to talk solution over the REV A network, (EV-DO) which will be implemented by Qualcomm, Motorola and Nextel and they signed exclusivity deal so that no one in North America and some other parts of the world can use this technology.
There were a few tests with this solution and it obtained set up speeds of 1.5 seconds and unnoticeable delay on the intra-call, which are very close to Nextel’s current DC.
Qchat will be on Sprint’s network by 2008 or sooner unless REV A is 100% deployed and as usual I will provide updates on this fascinating solution.
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The FCC approved the IDEN/CDMA phone for release later this fall. So that answers that question.
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and your point is? The published article was 5 months ago that included a quote by Motorola.
It's obvious changed their mind.
It's obvious changed their mind.
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please dont shoot me for asking this question..........
How is Qchat going to be or is comparable to Cingular's system?
How is Qchat going to be or is comparable to Cingular's system?
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Qchat is better then every push to talk solution out there. (cept for Nextel's direct connect)
1.5 seconds on the set up call for Qchat.
thus; it is better plus you can do REV A and add all sorts of applications.
1.5 seconds on the set up call for Qchat.
thus; it is better plus you can do REV A and add all sorts of applications.
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