Lol to your last post. Yeah most deffinately cingular is ahead on 3G and they are bigger. Maybe I should compare a carrier closer to T mobile in terms of size and technology. Of course we can look at their customer service and other areas that they can be compared.

T-Mobile's better rated customer service is also a plus, but it doesn't mean much if you don't have to call CS. I have never had to call CS with Cingular.

Also, people must realize that with more customers, you're going to have more problems than smaller carriers, and potentially more disgruntled customers that love to complain.

Customers like myself cause I expect a lot from my carrier which is why I like having tis disscusion .

I expect a lot from my carrier too, and I get it.


"Customers like myself..." Haha, are you saying that you like to complain?

Only when I know that I have a right to.

If I'm not wrong Cingular got the most complaints from any wireless company in the US, alone it got more complaints for crappy signal than T Mobile and Verizon put together and currently has over 9,000 lawsuits pending. Now dont ask me for the source, I dont remember but I read it somewhere, go ahead and look it up online perhaps the numbers went up.

Message to the first poster, yes Cingular has all those "features" for "just a little more" but from ALL my friends that have cingular they dont get benefits from its famous "raising the bar" slogan actually ever since AT&T and Cingular joined, their signal dropped (they had AT&T before) my friend currently works as a salesperson for Cingular and she has been cussed out and yelled numerous t...
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RUFF1415 said:
Oh, plus I like orange more than pink. 😛

You're silly.
I'd choose Cingular any day. But In a perfect world I'll make all T-mo customer service reps to work for Cingy with me.

That would be a perfect world. 🙂

Cingular World
Count on the broadest international coverage of any U.S. carrier with voice coverage in 170 countries and wireless data coverage in 70 countries. Use your Cingular Wireless device for all your international roaming and long distance needs.

http://www.cingular.com/cingular_advantage »

The bands have nothing to do with international coverage. Cingular offers plenty tri-band and quad-band phones. The Z500, S710, V3, V551, V180, V220, S66, 7100g, and 7290 are all phones that support those bands and can be used internationally.

http://www.t-mobile.com/international/default.asp »
🙄 still 182 here!!
BUT more importantly can u access your internet and email once outside the U.S. I dont think so U only have access to voice and txt.
"Coverage means you can make and receive calls, exchange text and e-mails, or access the Internet wherever you need to. Only T-Mobile International gives you the world’s largest all-GSM network and, through the FreeMove alliance, more capabilities in certain European Union countries." It does help being part of one of the largest international wireless carriers.

If you actually read the link that I provided, you would see that you can access internet, e-mail, and any data service in 70 other countries.

http://www.cingular.com/cingular_advantage »

Cingular World
Count on the broadest international coverage of any U.S. carrier with voice coverage in 170 countries and wireless data coverage in 70 countries. Use your Cingular Wireless device for all your international roaming and long distance needs.

Only 70!! 🙄 😢 😢 😢

According to your link internet is available with T-Mobile in 90 countries.

"The bands have nothing to do with international coverage."

Uhhhh....yes they do. I work in the business, travel overseas, and I can guarantee they DO have something to do with it.

If you would have read the post I was responding to, the bands DON'T have anything to do with the actual physical coverage in other countries. Cingular has that international roaming coverage regardless if it is 850, 900, 1800, or 1900. No matter what band it's in, the coverage is still there. The thing that the bands will affect is what phone you need, but with Cingular it's a moot point because most of their phones support all international bands i.e. world phones. The post I was responding to suggested that they didn't.

Cingular is dropping agreements with EVERYONE after the network integration is complete. Sorry to burst your bubble, but Cingular is so large that it doesn't need to depend on anyone anymore.

...and no matter how large cingular gets, T-Mobile is still always going to be there....working just as well as it has been for many, many customers.

Remember it's not the size that *always* matters...it's how well you put what ya got to work 😉 T-Mobile is pretty good in that department.

bizkitsngravy said:
...and no matter how large cingular gets, T-Mobile is still always going to be there....working just as well as it has been for many, many customers.

Remember it's not the size that *always* matters...it's how well you put what ya got to work 😉 T-Mobile is pretty good in that department.

No kidding--Cingular is like the guy with elephantiasis of the privates bragging about his size--sure it's huge, but who would want to touch it? 😳 🤣 😛

Baa, baa, go the sheep! "There are 50 million of us!" they bleat, as they follow the goat with the bell on into the big white building... *snicker*

Cingular is not that large. They had to depend on AT&T wireless' network just to get their 3G network up and running in more locations. Plus, Cingular is using roaming partners, to give their customers coverage. People are roaming on other carriers, its just that Cingular doesn't want them to know that, so that set the towers to make it look like they are always on the Cingular network a.k.a. "Raising the Bar" Bull crap.

No, you don't understand. Cingular did have much of their coverage as roaming agreements, but after the AT&T buyout, they have enough native coverage to drop their roaming partners, which they are doing. After the integration is complete, Cingular customers will no longer roam off of any other carrier's network.

...and especially not T-Mobile's.

"No, you don't understand. Cingular did have much of their coverage as roaming agreements, but after the AT&T buyout, they have enough native coverage to drop their roaming partners, which they are doing. After the integration is complete, Cingular customers will no longer roam off of any other carrier's network."
RIGHT!! 🙄 🙄 that is WHY they just a ROAMING agreement Dobson; because THEY HAVE ENOUGH NATIVE COVERAGE 🤭 :
http://rcrnews.com/news.cms?newsId=23775 »

51.6 million

I'm not. 😁

Again, we can have that debate again, but that isn’t true. Look at data arpu and text message use and ring tones and other data services. IT IS ON THE RISE! Oh yea, take a look at the subscribers that verizon got for their DO service.

We have just begun!

nextel18 said:
Again, we can have that debate again, but that isn?t true. Look at data arpu and text message use and ring tones and other data services. IT IS ON THE RISE! Oh yea, take a look at the subscribers that verizon got for their DO service.

We have just begun!

And this pissing match is good because??? Ah yes, it can make someone at least *feel* like they've made a superior choice. Whether or not it really is does not matter. As long as they feel superior is what counts.

If you want to have a debate with me please be mature about it instead of saying “pissing match”. Etc.. anyway, like I have been saying wireless data and data solutions are just the beginning. Wait for flarion, ev-do, wimax, and umts/hspda because then you can make magic happen.

nextel18 said:
If you want to have a debate with me please be mature about it instead of saying ?pissing match?. Etc.. anyway, like I have been saying wireless data and data solutions are just the beginning. Wait for flarion, ev-do, wimax, and umts/hspda because then you can make magic happen.

Sorry, I know the difference between a debate and a pissing match. This has been a pissing match.. Maturity evidently does not come easily to some people. The debate about cingular vs. T-Mobile could just as easily be about GSM vs. CDMA. Some people act rationally while others go on and on and think that their personal bias *must* be right and no one else can have an opinion contrary to that. And contrary to wha...
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Data is becoming ever more important in the wireless industry. People are buying into more and more of it each quarter. It's the fastest growing aspect of a company's revenue. He's right...

If data wasn't important, why would Verizon, Sprint Nextel, and Cingular be spending billions upon billions of dollars on spectrum, technology, testing, and advertising? Why would T-Mobile be so quick to consider it's best option in either selling the company or spending the $10+ billion in a 3G upgrade?

Data is the future of wireless.

RUFF1415 said:
If data wasn't important, why would Verizon, Sprint Nextel, and Cingular be spending billions upon billions of dollars on spectrum, technology, testing, and advertising? Why would T-Mobile be so quick to consider it's best option in either selling the company or spending the $10+ billion in a 3G upgrade?

Data is the future of wireless.

All the carriers are spending oodles of money on data because they've about tapped out selling voice services. That's why even carriers who wouldn't have a thing to do with prepaid are now at least making an effort where before they wouldn't even put any effort at all into it. Vodafone's putting effort into making a "stupid phone" that will have minimum ...
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Are you sure you live in America?

RUFF1415 said:
Are you sure you live in America?

If this is the only response you can give you may as well give up now since you evidently have nothing further of value to add to the thread.

My point was that if 90% or more of Americans don't use any type of data, then you must be living in a dream world.

There were 180 million cell phone users in the U.S. in early 2004.

90% of 180 million is 162 million users.

That is saying that not even 18 million users of all U.S. cell phone users worry about data. There are probably 18 million business accounts alone that depend on wireless data services. And that's not even counting the massive consumer base that uses wireless data services such as text, multimedia, PTT, and wireless internet daily.

You are truly uninformed if you believe that data holds no bearing on the future of wireless.

Like I once said. Verizon, Sprint, and Cingular aren't blowing billions on...
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RUFF1415 said:
You are truly uninformed if you believe that data holds no bearing on the future of wireless.

That all sounds good, but I'd like to see some figures that back up what you say.

littlefuzzbear said:

RUFF1415 said:
You are truly uninformed if you believe that data holds no bearing on the future of wireless.

That all sounds good, but I'd like to see some figures that back up what you say.

Gladly.


By the end of Q2, 2004, the number of wireless data users in the U.S. totaled almost 47 million, over a quarter of the total number of wireless subscribers, according to carrier reporting and the Yankee Group's "2004 Mobile User Survey."

The figure represents a 58 percent increase over the 29 million wireless data users at the end of the same period in 2003.

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Forgot the link.

http://www.clickz.com/stats/sectors/demographics/art ... »

RUFF1415 said:
47 million data users as of Q2 2004. That's 26% meaning that only about 74% of wireless users were voice-only. That is much different than your supposed 90% and it's important to note that over a one year period the number of data users in the country more than doubled

My numbers may have been wrong, but 74% of subscribers use it for voice calls. That's hardly a huge number that's using data.

47 million data users as of Q2 2004. That has went WAY up I assure you.

I'm thinking more in the range of 80 million data users now. That is not something to scoff at.

RUFF1415 said:
47 million data users as of Q2 2004. That has went WAY up I assure you.

I'm thinking more in the range of 80 million data users now. That is not something to scoff at.

This may be all true, but people choose what works best for them. That's always different for different people. I don't require coverage in New Sweden, Maine. You may. The individual will determine what is *best* for them. What you or I choose is not important. *Best* is all subjective. You can't tell me that cingular works best for me in my location since I know otherwise. What works for you doesn't necessarily work the best for someone else. PEOPLE GET WHAT WORKS FOR THEM!

Why aren’t you reading my posts and the information on them? is it because that group who conducted the studies and 3gtoday mentions something that differs from your opinion?

HMmmmmmm i think we've got a winner!

ahahha. do i get a cookie or a medal?

lol, cookie it is, btw i do have t mobile, and i think there great, i do use there data services, but o well whom am i to say anything, i just read all your guys messages, keeps me busy and laughing for hours! 🤣

hmm. i wanted a medal. ☹️

yea, we can open up a comedy club. 🙂

What does the rambling you just posted have to do with the topic at hand? We're talking about data usage, remember?

Hmm, how come you haven’t read my post about the company who analyzes the wireless industry? Quite interesting. Anyway, here is something else from my beloved qualcomm and 3gtoday.com. As of June 2005, there are 145 million subscribers worldwide using cdma 2000 1x and only 15 million customers worldwide using ev-do and 28 million customers worldwide using umts/wcdma. This will continue to grow when more high-speed data networks come out into the marketplace worldwide and 1x gets phased out by ev-do, umts/hsdpa, flarion, wimax and other high-speed data.

Another revenue stream is gaming and check this article out.

http://www.cellular-news.com/story/13791.php »

According to the report, mobile gamers tend to spend more on handsets - an average of 57% more. They also tend to be heavier users of their mobile phones for regular calls, using 48% more wireless minutes than non-gamers, and their monthly wireless bills are 22% higher than the average subscriber.
According to the report, the addressable market for mobile games continues to expand quickly, with half of all USA wireless subscribers now owning phones capable of downloading games. A full 27% play games on those devices, including purchased downloads as well as free demos and pre-loaded games, compared to 20% last year. Even bette...
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Read the post that I posted on url; http://www1.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php ?fm=m&ff=5&fi=362695 . I have mentioned the information about what a company who studies the industry has said. Seems to me that you don’t want to read that. Please do so we can discuss it.

Are you sure about your thesis? Well, again, go check data arpu for tmobile, sprint, Nextel, cingular and verizon, you will notice at a QoQ and YoY that it has been increasing, which tells us what? PEOPLE WANT DATA!

Let’s give some statistics.

This is from sprint:

Go here http://www.sprint.com/sprint/ir/fn/qe/2q05pre s.pdf and go to page 13 out of 23 it will talk about wireless data. Some snip its; data arpu= $6.50 highest in the industry.
7 percent of data reported arpu in 2q of 04
9 percent of data reported arpu in 4q of 04
11 percent of data reported arpu in 2q of 05

go to http://www.sprint.com/sprint/ir/fn/qe/2q05.pd f Second quarter wireless data revenues increased
64% year-over-year, and 9% sequentially. At the
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YOu beat me to it but Text messaging is data and more than 18 million people use text messaging nationwide.

Yea and that is just text messaging which will increase by the way. Look at other data services such as pictures, soon video, songs, satellite radio, web, aim, and other services that can increase the data arpu.

Data will be very important especially when this market will be saturated and it will be because there aren’t many markets that you can serve anymore especially since there are only about 300 or so million people in USA. You can try to target the youth and the elderly but what if you saturated that market too just on the voice? You will be in trouble so you need to offer another service and solution that will drive your revenue, which will be data.

Therefore, data is very important and people who say it isn’t, they have t...
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