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What will be the difference?

LockItUp

Sep 13, 2007, 7:05 AM
What will be the difference between Cingular/Att 3G network and t-mobile?
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nextel18

Sep 13, 2007, 8:09 AM
Not much of a difference but perhaps T-mobile will roll out in a more of an aggressive to passive type situation as they test the waters and Cingular will continue to expand at the rate they are doing. If T-mobile receives a lot of traction, they will roll it out more aggressively. It also depends how much spectrum both carriers are applying for each market of their 3G network and that will not be known until they actually leak it out. Real difference could happen. Coverage would be better with Cingular especially since they have more towers, although not a huge amount, to T-mobile. Price I think T-mobile would be more competitive, given its history, against Cingular.
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a99tandem

Sep 14, 2007, 2:03 PM
The biggest difference will be that Cingular/Att's 3G network will actually exist. Where T-Mobile's 3G will continue to be a mysterious mythological entity.

(Note: I'm an employee- I'm not bashing- Just bitter!)
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lancekalzas

Sep 14, 2007, 2:45 PM
Why don't you read the posting on the forum at the end of this link? It's not T-Mobile's fault.

http://www.t-mobilesignal.com/forum/f8/t-mobile-3g-d ... »
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willf

Sep 14, 2007, 4:44 PM
I find it very interesting that one of the main stumbling blocks - at least according to this report - is that T-Mobile and the other winners from the 1700 band auction can't even use what they won even if they have the tech ready to go.

As a T-Mo customer I'm as unhappy about the lack of 3G as anyone, but this report at least shows that it's definitely not entirely T-Mobile's fault.

I'm sure they're doing the best that they can with this situation. And experience with them shows that they always seem to come up and beat the competition pretty solidly. Unfortunately it's just not a fair playing field right now.
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nextel18

Sep 14, 2007, 2:54 PM
100% false. T-mobile’s 3g network is going to be launching in selected networks to mid to late 07 and early 2008.
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lancekalzas

Sep 15, 2007, 9:39 AM
I hope you're right but I'm not so sure. I know someone who was told something very similar to that Fed Govt story by a very high level employee in T-Mobile.
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nextel18

Sep 15, 2007, 11:19 AM
I don’t understand what you meant by that; “Fed Govt story”. Could you perhaps elaborate on it?

They are preparing for the 3G network especially with infrastructure and pending phone device.
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lancekalzas

Sep 16, 2007, 1:03 PM
According to Ethanb123, the user that posted this link: http://www.t-mobilesignal.com/forum/f8/t-mobi le-3g-delays-1350.html

all of the carriers that purchased spectrum in the AWS auction have to wait up to 3 years before they can use any of it. It also says that the carriers were not informed of this fact prior to the auction but the government said they informed the carriers. Who to believe I couldn't say but it's probably a little bit of both. I doubt the government made it clear; they probably made a couple of vague statements alluding to this problem but not actually clarifying it. I asked around at work and this story was pretty much confirmed by people I know.
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nextel18

Sep 16, 2007, 1:20 PM
Well in general whenever someone buys spectrum, it does take some time to clear it then use it and put it on its network. The carriers all know about that. Here is the site for Auction 66 on the FCC’s website if you would want to see; http://wireless.fcc.gov/auctions/default.htm? job=auction_summary&id=66. I looked at that link that you provided, and to be frank, I don’t believe those types of forums. When I talked to some top people in the industry especially at T-mobile, they didn’t say there would be a huge delay, but there would be a delay especially since there are certain requirements in order to actually use the spectrum. FCC always makes things clear so I doubt that also. Just too much data and information that le...
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mingkee

Sep 15, 2007, 10:56 PM
the major difference is frequency
at&t uses 850 and/or 1900 single band, though they have AWS
T-Mobile uses 1700/2100 parallel band (1700 uplink, 2100 downlink)
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wombough

Sep 16, 2007, 12:58 AM
let me translate it for you. The main difference is if Tmob keeps voice off that spectrum and just have data on it you will see much greater speeds with tmob then you will with ATT!
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nextel18

Sep 16, 2007, 1:06 PM
Ya that is a crucial point.
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mingkee

Sep 16, 2007, 8:14 PM
UMTS runs voice and data in parallel, not separate
it's not CDMA/EV-DO
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wombough

Sep 16, 2007, 9:39 PM
NO US carrier has opted to run voice on WCDMA yet. Only data that was my point. ANd regardless of what they run it off of if its run on the same spectrum it will slow down data.
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AerMobile

Sep 22, 2007, 5:14 PM
So will WCDMA phones work on T-Mo's 3G network?

And if not, what phones will?

It seems to me that the move to 3G has begun to lock phones to carriers, at least in the US. As I'm nuderstanding it phones that access 3G networks in Europe can't access networks in the US market. A phone that will access ATT's 3G network won't work in Europe. And my guess is that none of these will run T-Mo's 3G network. So the days of buying an unlocked GSM phone and running on T-Mo appear to be over for those of us who are interested in 3G data.

Corollary: since T-Mobile seems to be the one carrier using this dual frequency approach, the phone selection that can access such a 3G network are likely to be fewer.

Or am I missing something here?
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WM6user

Sep 17, 2007, 9:26 AM
Less dropped calls on T-mobile, I'd assume?
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wombough

Sep 17, 2007, 9:35 AM
umm dropped calls has nothing to do with 3g. Its only data!
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WM6user

Sep 18, 2007, 4:45 PM
There's still less dropped calls. At&t may, for now, have faster data. Verizon still has the fastest data out of all the companies that I've used.
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