STRIKE!!!!
Please, Strike.
I will take great care of your customers.
Thank you Union workers!
I will take great care of your customers.
Thank you Union workers!
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I don't know about the at&t union, but Safeway employs raised themselves right of a job. Not meaning to be ugly but I just don't think unions are all that good in most cases. Mabey in some cases.
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The contract has to be in place by
February 6 if not then they will be striking.
February 6 if not then they will be striking.
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okccingular said:
The contract has to be in place by
February 6 if not then they will be striking.
the unions ruined the auto industry now they are trying to ruin at&t. nice going cwa
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In short: SHUT. UP.
In (slightly less short): Know the facts a bit more, and don't spout half a factoid about something you have no part in and no understanding of, and don't bother the rest of us.
At length: There are a number of reasons why Unions have been maligned over the years, and a good deal of these complaints will be valid. But the overwhelming majority of Unions protect lower-wage earning workers against companies that want to lower wages even more. It's happened far too many times to count. Have their been times when a union has abused the power of it's organization? Of course, but these cases are few & far between. Far more common is for a company or corporation to use it's power of capital and financial influen...
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In (slightly less short): Know the facts a bit more, and don't spout half a factoid about something you have no part in and no understanding of, and don't bother the rest of us.
At length: There are a number of reasons why Unions have been maligned over the years, and a good deal of these complaints will be valid. But the overwhelming majority of Unions protect lower-wage earning workers against companies that want to lower wages even more. It's happened far too many times to count. Have their been times when a union has abused the power of it's organization? Of course, but these cases are few & far between. Far more common is for a company or corporation to use it's power of capital and financial influen...
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In short: SHUT. UP.
In (slightly less short): Know the facts a bit more, and don't spout half a factoid about something you have no part in and no understanding of, and don't bother the rest of us.
At length: There are a number of reasons why Unions have been maligned over the years, and a good deal of these complaints will be valid. But the overwhelming majority of Unions protect lower-wage earning workers against companies that want to lower wages even more. It's happened far too many times to count. Have their been times when a union has abused the power of it's organization? Of course, but these cases are few & far between. Far more common is for a company or corporation to use it's power
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sorry you may have the same insurance as the rest of us. but i wish they could fire those that strike... the union represents laziness and they abuse fmla and get rewarded for 'tenure' only, not because of the amount of work or quality of work they do... i've worked for the company with union and with out and i'd rather stay where i'm at and not be union...
Whoa. . . It's been a while since I've seen "F*** YOU!" stretched to so many words.
Do you realize what an insensitive tool you're being? Make all the generalized statements you want, but don't try to pass them off as anything other than you talking out of your own experience/opinions/@$$. You're wrong about everything you just sa...
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ummmmmm are u serious about A B and C ... cause if it wasn't for the union tenure at att would have never been brought up as a subject ....
the union ruined wireless side of att in my opinion cause people got lazy they didn't have to work for raises and felt so protected when they grieved every single little thing they did wrong ...
i was all for the union until i releazed the union wasn't doing **** ,...... i got a few better benefits but whoopty doo ... the hassle and bs they bring to the table is not worth it ......
the union ruined wireless side of att in my opinion cause people got lazy they didn't have to work for raises and felt so protected when they grieved every single little thing they did wrong ...
i was all for the union until i releazed the union wasn't doing **** ,...... i got a few better benefits but whoopty doo ... the hassle and bs they bring to the table is not worth it ......
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Whoa. . . It's been a while since I've seen "F*** YOU!" stretched to so many words.
Do you realize what an insensitive tool you're being? Make all the generalized statements you want, but don't try to pass them off as anything other than you talking out of your own experience/opinions/@$$. You're wrong about everything you just said when it comes to the CWA & AT&T:
If my insurance gets changed, I could lose more than 10% of my annual income to a health care cost increase. When you make $30,000 a year gross, supporting yourself & your family that's a LOT of money to lose. I'm certainly not being lazy - the Union affords me (or anyone else) no protections if I fail to do my job well & get f
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Please don't $#!+ all over people who think & feel differently than you do, and don't pretend that they might have no valid reason to do so.
You are allowed to call into question his opinion yet he cannot do the same?
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how easily people forget the art of debate...
by the way, congrats on the new opportunity!
by the way, congrats on the new opportunity!
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No, I'm condemning his stating his confusion of his opinion with the statement of categorical fact (ie "the union represents laziness and they abuse fmla and get rewarded for 'tenure' only, not because of the amount of work or quality of work they do"). Crackberry's personal feelings on the matter are irrelevant to the discussion, except that they seem to inform his statements more than the facts do.
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japhy said:
Do you realize what an insensitive tool you're being?
japhy said:
Please don't $#!+ all over people who think & feel differently than you do, and don't pretend that they might have no valid reason to do so.
You are missing the entire point of my reply. His reply was actually pretty informative considering he was in that environment.
He is called a tool for sharing his opinion yet you say people shouldn't **** on others for sharing their opinion?
You would get more run and respect if you did not contradict yourself.
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No, his reply wasn't informative at all, that was my point: he was saying things that were not true, and not coming anywhere close to clarifying them as his opinion. I'll quote him again: "the union represents laziness and they abuse fmla and get rewarded for 'tenure' only, not because of the amount of work or quality of work they do".
All of that is the subjective opinion of someone who has had negative experiences with Union.
I concede my tone & language aren't necessarily the most conducive to polite discussion, but I'm merely trying to defend the idea that the Union isn't the ultimate antagonist to successful business, as many here seem to believe.
Pay attention to what I'm not saying: "Unions are the best ever an...
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All of that is the subjective opinion of someone who has had negative experiences with Union.
I concede my tone & language aren't necessarily the most conducive to polite discussion, but I'm merely trying to defend the idea that the Union isn't the ultimate antagonist to successful business, as many here seem to believe.
Pay attention to what I'm not saying: "Unions are the best ever an...
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No, his reply wasn't informative at all, that was my point: he was saying things that were not true, and not coming anywhere close to clarifying them as his opinion...
To you...
You are spouting opinions as well. There are plenty of companies that offer health insurance without the help of a union. There are plenty of companies that offer incentives without a union.
Your example was subjective as well. And of course your example makes sense TO YOU. You wrote the example.
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Yeah, and I agree with Crackberry, what he said was true, i have worked in that environment, outside of wireless, while i was working through college, and he described it exactly what i went through.
He just described what my friend went through at UPS.
I have to agree with that statement he made, so it isn't just him.
He just described what my friend went through at UPS.
I have to agree with that statement he made, so it isn't just him.
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Yeah, and I agree with Crackberry, what he said was true, i have worked in that environment, outside of wireless, while i was working through college, and he described it exactly what i went through.
He just described what my friend went through at UPS.
I have to agree with that statement he made, so it isn't just him.
More than a few people experienced this, so what?!?!It's still just several subjective experiences, and those experiences should never be confused with a categorical assessment of the whole situation.
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Again, your opinion of the situation.
Between this thread and the news thread you are really showing your lack of care of anyone's opinion but your own. Normally it wouldn't matter but then you put your foot in your own mouth by acting as if you are the supreme authority and your opinion is reality and anyone who doubts you is trashing your opinion.
Between this thread and the news thread you are really showing your lack of care of anyone's opinion but your own. Normally it wouldn't matter but then you put your foot in your own mouth by acting as if you are the supreme authority and your opinion is reality and anyone who doubts you is trashing your opinion.
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What? I'm pointing out the fact that other people are confusing their opinions for the facts about organized labor.
You're deeply wrong about one thing: What I'm showing is not my myopic concern with my opinion, it's my disdain & contempt for a particular brand of opinion orbiting around ignorance of/antipathy towards organized labor.
You're deeply wrong about one thing: What I'm showing is not my myopic concern with my opinion, it's my disdain & contempt for a particular brand of opinion orbiting around ignorance of/antipathy towards organized labor.
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So your information is not opinion huh?
THAT is why I am engaging with you. You are spouting just as much opinion as anyone else here.
THAT is why I am engaging with you. You are spouting just as much opinion as anyone else here.
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I dont think these are personal attacks I think its a great debate that is actually kind of fun. I will not say I am not nervous about a strike I dont want it to come to that... I am just going to support the majority who I work with.
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If anyone of you had a business, would you want some telling you how to run it? If I had a buwiness I would treat my employes right and if they didn't want to work for me they could quit.
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I do have a business and I choose to offer benefits that no one with a strike threat had to bargain for.
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I heard all the same complaints and resistance at my previous job. I was a member of cwa 798,and concessions were made and requested by my former employer. Everyone was up in arms because my former employer wanted to change what benefits they provided. Some concessions were made, some were not. End of story the company GM closed the plant I worked at and no more cwa 798. Yes GM did have a plant that was a CWA member. So what did the CWA do to save my job? Nothing.
In the economical situation this country is in, I think it would be a mistake to go on strike. In my state 42% of the population is looking for a job. Large corporations have no loyalty to their employees. No matter what our education or capabilities, we are all thr...
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Well we havent yet. They passed leaflets out today and sent Randall a valentine via the Internet which I am sure the secretary clicked "delete".
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If my insurance gets changed, I could lose more than 10% of my annual income to a health care cost increase. When you make $30,000 a year gross, supporting yourself & your family that's a LOT of money to lose.
10% of 30,000 is 3,000. That is $8.21 a day. Cut back expenses. Most people are having to do it, and making a LOT less.
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I've been cutting back for years, dude - I'm one of those people that actually is able to save money because of the way I budget. Losing 10% of my income to increased health care costs (I have a 3 year old, so going without cover isn't an option) is unacceptable.
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Most people who only make 30K per year dont get health coverage that is paid by their employer.
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Damn straight most people in my income bracket don't get coverage, and the primary reason I have the coverage I do is. . . .
BECAUSE OF THE UNION!
Can you at least appreciate why I'm financially/emotionally invested in this issue? 😉
BECAUSE OF THE UNION!
Can you at least appreciate why I'm financially/emotionally invested in this issue? 😉
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Minimal education to get the job. Minimal education to keep the job. Why exactly should AT&T pay those expenses for unskilled labor and raise the cost of their product?
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texaswireless said:
Minimal education to get the job. Minimal education to keep the job. Why exactly should AT&T pay those expenses for unskilled labor and raise the cost of their product?
And yet, it's still not an easy job to do well. Not in the stores, not in the call centers. The entrance requirements might be low, low, low (in part to fill seats because it's developed a reputation for being notably ugly work), but there is a lot of information to assimilate. Furthermore, it takes tact and diplomacy at all levels - something many a fancy MBA has utterly failed to master.
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And again, someone who joins late and misses the entire point of the argument.
In my mind I think AT&T could actually pay their best people more and hire more intelligence from the beginning but that CANT'T because of the inherent goals of a union. They can't take the risk because the system doesn't allow them to get rid of people who don't pan out or who lose that motivation.
It is scary to have to tell you this but when you join a conversation late and make assumptions you usually end up looking like a fool.
In my mind I think AT&T could actually pay their best people more and hire more intelligence from the beginning but that CANT'T because of the inherent goals of a union. They can't take the risk because the system doesn't allow them to get rid of people who don't pan out or who lose that motivation.
It is scary to have to tell you this but when you join a conversation late and make assumptions you usually end up looking like a fool.
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And again, someone who joins late and misses the entire point of the argument.
In my mind I think AT&T could actually pay their best people more and hire more intelligence from the beginning but that CANT'T because of the inherent goals of a union. They can't take the risk because the system doesn't allow them to get rid of people who don't pan out or who lose that motivation.
It is scary to have to tell you this but when you join a conversation late and make assumptions you usually end up looking like a fool.
Bravo Sierra, Skippy. YOU said (either deliberately or inadvertently; in the latter case I have sincere sympathy for your inability to communicate) that AT&T's frontline wo...
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You are right. I have horrible communication skills. I should have never decided to mix it up with someone with such superior intelligence. You can read my mind and I have no chance.
I stuck it up. I have no idea what stuck it up means, something done in the past tense I suppose. But you must be right.
I stuck it up. I have no idea what stuck it up means, something done in the past tense I suppose. But you must be right.
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So if the strike lasts one month, and just for simplicity's sake, 1/12th of your 30,000 is $2500. Let's say this strike goes on for 3 months? You have lost over 10% of your annual wages...all at once.
Just because your union has gotten you better than the average compensation does not mean you are entitled to maintain that in a recession. Be thankful for what you have.
Just because your union has gotten you better than the average compensation does not mean you are entitled to maintain that in a recession. Be thankful for what you have.
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I *AM* thankful, and if status quo ante were attained, I'd be very happy.
Regarding the argumentation that's going on ehre, my problem is twofold:
- those folks would say: "This particular strike is a bad idea, ergo: Organized Labor is inherently corrupt. My poor experience with a union supports my premise." There's a lot of that going on.
- AT&T is potentially making deep cuts to employee benefits (they certainly want to) despite spectacular profits having been acheived last year. There would be a significant financial cut to everyone's paycheck.
The latter point is less likely to happen, and doesn't concern me as much.
Regarding the argumentation that's going on ehre, my problem is twofold:
- those folks would say: "This particular strike is a bad idea, ergo: Organized Labor is inherently corrupt. My poor experience with a union supports my premise." There's a lot of that going on.
- AT&T is potentially making deep cuts to employee benefits (they certainly want to) despite spectacular profits having been acheived last year. There would be a significant financial cut to everyone's paycheck.
The latter point is less likely to happen, and doesn't concern me as much.
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I never gerenalized that all unions are corrupt, but one would be naieve not to acknowledge that Unions are just another business. Is it really in the best interest of its members to call a strike against a business for cutting back during a recession?
Face it, when the economy is in a slump, the status quo is not something you can count on. When unemployment is up, having a job that pays better than most AND has benefits is a blessing.
Companies can and will make cutbacks, it is their right to do so. It is a union's choice to oppose it, but it's a risk. A strike will certainly not cripple AT&T. Yes it will put a strain on them in certain areas, and yes some people will have to take up the slack...but those people will have a paych...
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Face it, when the economy is in a slump, the status quo is not something you can count on. When unemployment is up, having a job that pays better than most AND has benefits is a blessing.
Companies can and will make cutbacks, it is their right to do so. It is a union's choice to oppose it, but it's a risk. A strike will certainly not cripple AT&T. Yes it will put a strain on them in certain areas, and yes some people will have to take up the slack...but those people will have a paych...
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Completely agree, and I also have done the same, and union leaders are the only ones that really benefit.
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I work VERY HARD at my job I am FAR from lazy, my quality, post calls, and wave reports will also support that. I am a union member tho. I think it is sad that at&t reported earnings and sent an email out to management and non union employees telling them sorry no raises or cost of living raises this year. I do not know about you all but I get an earned income tax credit because I am paid below the poverty line according to the government.
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So empower yourself and get a better job.
Do you have an advanced degree and you are settling for this position?
You may not like to hear this but you are NOT a skilled worker. You can be replaced. While YOU may be very good at your job you cannot say with a straight face that all of your colleages display the same drive and determination.
If you didn't have a union AT&T could get rid of them and give YOU a raise but the goal of a union is to gain benefits for a body, not an individual. Unions restrict personal advancement through hard work. THAT is a fact. They must do that to keep many employed to keep their power.
Do you have an advanced degree and you are settling for this position?
You may not like to hear this but you are NOT a skilled worker. You can be replaced. While YOU may be very good at your job you cannot say with a straight face that all of your colleages display the same drive and determination.
If you didn't have a union AT&T could get rid of them and give YOU a raise but the goal of a union is to gain benefits for a body, not an individual. Unions restrict personal advancement through hard work. THAT is a fact. They must do that to keep many employed to keep their power.
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Actually I am a skilled worker. It takes alot more than sitting there and answering a call to do the job. Well at least for me anyway, and I will be honest I work with a lot of dumbassed people. I hate it when I read notes about people "resending ota's" and telling people its fixed. That does absolutely nothing but program your message center number for texts and voicemail piloting number. I get pissed when I get misrouted calls.. learn to read people, I get mad when people date plans to 50 years down the road, I get mad when I have to fix peoples mistakes. Yeah its easy to say to find a better job but no one is hiring in my area. I am well aware that they cant give me a raise or bonus because of the union. However with my job we are...
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Thank you CCAre. I had a non union job at one time...IF I got a raise, it was 12 to 18 months from the LAST raise, even if I was due a raise in 12 mo, I may not get it for 16, NEVER retroactive, paid a hell of alot in health insurance...I just had to take whatever the company wanted to give me and if I didn't like it, there was the door. At least I know someone is fighting for me to keep the benefits I currently have, like getting raises each year (especially since the company reported 123 BILLION in profits last year). Those aren't subject to my boss's feelings for me at the time either.
And alot of the profits go to the executives...who, by the way, USUALLY ARE THEMSELVES SHAREHOLDERS!!
And alot of the profits go to the executives...who, by the way, USUALLY ARE THEMSELVES SHAREHOLDERS!!
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go on strike! I work for one of at&t's outsourcing centers here in st. louis! I'm going to be the first scab they hire and I'M going to love it! I'll throw pennies at your poor butt with that $34 an hour i'll be making for crossing "the Line" 😛
score 1 for democracy -1 for communism
score 1 for democracy -1 for communism
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Have fun taking the 600 calls in queue and working until they are all cleared out. 😲 😳 Yes I went there. Our call center averages 8000 calls a day... 🙂
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As a manager in a call center I think it will be entertaining to say the least because some of the managers haven't taken calls since TDMA days so they will be lost on the phone. My motto is regardless of the queue "you can only take one call at a time."
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to all against unions. how much do you think you would make if there was never unions to fight for the working person. can you say below minimum wage. since there would never have been anyone fighting to get a law for minimum wage, you would very easily be making maybe 1.00 a day. and if you dont think so look around at things unions were able to set up in your grandparents time. if you think ceos wages are high know. think if there was no unions around what there wages would be.so if your so against unions. go live in a communist country and see how you would live.
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There's a number of folks here who are far more concerned with the pretty shiny phones & whatnot, and with their own immediate working conditions. That they've never read a book about or had any useful information taught to them about the labor movement is no fault of theirs.
There are lots of businesses out there that really would be ruined by a union (hear that? I'm not so stupid as to think it's always a good idea), just as there's an infinite number of rights that have been earned for the working American by organized labor. That most people aren't aware fo the history of labor is partly a failure of education, but it's also due to the efforts of large corporations that have a vested interest in keeping employees in the dark about ...
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There are lots of businesses out there that really would be ruined by a union (hear that? I'm not so stupid as to think it's always a good idea), just as there's an infinite number of rights that have been earned for the working American by organized labor. That most people aren't aware fo the history of labor is partly a failure of education, but it's also due to the efforts of large corporations that have a vested interest in keeping employees in the dark about ...
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"There's a number of folks here who are far more concerned with the pretty shiny phones & whatnot, and with their own immediate working conditions. That they've never read a book about or had any useful information taught to them about the labor movement is no fault of theirs."
Okay well i have read numerous books, considering i am working on my second Bachelor's (one in Psychology already, the second in Accounting).
maybe you should read "the road to serfdom" or "atlas shrugged", those are two books people need to read.
if the unions (as a whole) were so great, how come there have been mass exodus of states to southern right to work states? Unions cut out competative wages, even though they say that is what they are fighting for.
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Okay well i have read numerous books, considering i am working on my second Bachelor's (one in Psychology already, the second in Accounting).
maybe you should read "the road to serfdom" or "atlas shrugged", those are two books people need to read.
if the unions (as a whole) were so great, how come there have been mass exodus of states to southern right to work states? Unions cut out competative wages, even though they say that is what they are fighting for.
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Okay well i have read numerous books, considering i am working on my second Bachelor's (one in Psychology already, the second in Accounting).
maybe you should read "the road to serfdom" or "atlas shrugged", those are two books people need to read.
Double major in Theology & Anthropology right here, and spent a year & a half doing lit/journalism before that. I know a whole hell of a lot when it comes to preachy fundamentalism, be it conservative Christians or Ayn Rand's whack-@$$ objectivism. I've not read Road to Serfdom, but anyone associated with Reaganomics can. . . well, I defer you to the President's assessment of that school of economic thought. And I invite you to look at ...
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Double major? Which means you haven't earned that degree yet have you?
I don't have to offer health insurance but I do.
I don't have to pay above minimum wage but I do.
I don't have to offer paid vacation but I do.
Yeah all companies are just the devil. And I don't think you should be quoting your precious President when he has less than 30 days in office. The people did not vote against the policies of tax and business incentives to create jobs. Obamas voting base was mostly people that pay little or no taxes because he promised them socialist support from the government.
I don't have to offer health insurance but I do.
I don't have to pay above minimum wage but I do.
I don't have to offer paid vacation but I do.
Yeah all companies are just the devil. And I don't think you should be quoting your precious President when he has less than 30 days in office. The people did not vote against the policies of tax and business incentives to create jobs. Obamas voting base was mostly people that pay little or no taxes because he promised them socialist support from the government.
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Double major? Which means you haven't earned that degree yet have you?
I don't have to offer health insurance but I do.
I don't have to pay above minimum wage but I do.
I don't have to offer paid vacation but I do.
Yeah all companies are just the devil. And I don't think you should be quoting your precious President when he has less than 30 days in office. The people did not vote against the policies of tax and business incentives to create jobs. Obamas voting base was mostly people that pay little or no taxes because he promised them socialist support from the government.
preach!
planning on running for anything? i'll move back to texas to vote for you...
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Move back to DFW and you can have a job too haha!
I am in Dallas this weekend looking at houses for the family and finalizing property decisions.
You would just have to jump ship to Verizon :-)
I am in Dallas this weekend looking at houses for the family and finalizing property decisions.
You would just have to jump ship to Verizon :-)
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Have fun taking the 600 calls in queue and working until they are all cleared out. 😲 😳 Yes I went there. Our call center averages 8000 calls a day... 🙂
There you go... ruining their fantasy with facts. Heartless bastard. ;)
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durkadurkha said:
go on strike! I work for one of at&t's outsourcing centers here in st. louis! I'm going to be the first scab they hire and I'M going to love it! I'll throw pennies at your poor butt with that $34 an hour i'll be making for crossing "the Line" 😛
score 1 for democracy -1 for communism
What a marvelous example of humanity.
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I am sorry...really that is not democracy, that is score 1 for Capitalism and -1 for democracy, but that's ok, most people do not understand that a union only brings democracy into the work place. After all you as union members get to elect your leaders to negotiate with At&t. One point about At&t is this, they actually understand that value of a union, which is why they have Card Check for their workers. That is respect, but it does not mean bargaining does not occur. So really if you think of the Bill of Rights and that in any private sector job you do not have them unless the workers organize a union. So though this is a debate, the idea that a union is bad, is something that the Capitalists want the workers to think. Merit is one o...
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To anyone who wants to voice an opinion on this subject:
Please go to this link:
http://cwa-attmobility.com »
Please go to this link:
http://cwa-attmobility.com »
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According to what I've read here, this is only going to involve employees in a union, correct?
I live in Idaho (no unions) and am too young to know anything about em.
So how bout it? What's the exact defintion of a union?
What's the benefit of being in one?
What's required?
Why doesn't Idaho have one?
And will this strike affect any outsourced employees working AT&T?
I live in Idaho (no unions) and am too young to know anything about em.
So how bout it? What's the exact defintion of a union?
What's the benefit of being in one?
What's required?
Why doesn't Idaho have one?
And will this strike affect any outsourced employees working AT&T?
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There's plenty of information about Unions & labor organizations around. There's plenty of sources I could mention (both seriously or sarcastically), but you're best off starting here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_union »
For info on this specific AT&T/CWA labor dispute, go here:
http://www.cwa-union.org/att/mobility/ »
Obviously, there's plenty more information out there, most of it won't apply to this particular situation, and a good deal of what you read will be subjective.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_union »
For info on this specific AT&T/CWA labor dispute, go here:
http://www.cwa-union.org/att/mobility/ »
Obviously, there's plenty more information out there, most of it won't apply to this particular situation, and a good deal of what you read will be subjective.
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I'm sure if you are not effected by the strike and you are outsourced it wont make much of a difference to you at this point.. If you are in a call center i'd expect more calls. If at the store probably nothing since you aren't part of the union.
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Yeah I'm at a call center and our call volume is dropping since christmas if anything, should we expect it to go back up?
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I would expect it to jump substantially.
First, all the experienced reps will be out (in union areas) leaving managers which haven't touched OPUS or a customers account in who knows how long.
Second, customer will wonder if they'll get some type of discount since the level of support is going down.
Third, I would assume some union people would want to call to make it seem the hold times are longer for customers that are actually calling in for help. (nothing official but it makes sense)
First, all the experienced reps will be out (in union areas) leaving managers which haven't touched OPUS or a customers account in who knows how long.
Second, customer will wonder if they'll get some type of discount since the level of support is going down.
Third, I would assume some union people would want to call to make it seem the hold times are longer for customers that are actually calling in for help. (nothing official but it makes sense)
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Yeah.. I would (if the strike) expect much higher call volumes. P.S after the Christmas rush its normal for Call centers to drop a bit.
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AT&T sales positions are entry level, no college or special certifications required.
AT&T sales positions are well above minimum wage paying jobs that include benefits.
Walk into Wal-Mart or your favorite fast food chain and expect the same pay and benefits and you will see just how good it is.
Cut backs are better than layoffs. Getting what the unions ask for might come at the cost of jobs. Better to make a little less during the hard times than nothing at all.
Just because a company makes big profits is not an entitlement for salespeople. If you want to benefit from a company's profit, invest in the company.
Companies reinvest their funds into their systems. Great sales people cannot sell a service if it is drastically i...
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AT&T sales positions are well above minimum wage paying jobs that include benefits.
Walk into Wal-Mart or your favorite fast food chain and expect the same pay and benefits and you will see just how good it is.
Cut backs are better than layoffs. Getting what the unions ask for might come at the cost of jobs. Better to make a little less during the hard times than nothing at all.
Just because a company makes big profits is not an entitlement for salespeople. If you want to benefit from a company's profit, invest in the company.
Companies reinvest their funds into their systems. Great sales people cannot sell a service if it is drastically i...
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AT&T sales positions are entry level, no college or special certifications required.
AT&T sales positions are well above minimum wage paying jobs that include benefits.
Walk into Wal-Mart or your favorite fast food chain and expect the same pay and benefits and you will see just how good it is.
Cut backs are better than layoffs. Getting what the unions ask for might come at the cost of jobs. Better to make a little less during the hard times than nothing at all.
Just because a company makes big profits is not an entitlement for salespeople. If you want to benefit from a company's profit, invest in the company.
Companies reinvest their funds into their systems. Great sales people cannot s
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"All profits do not go into the CEO's pockets."
Tell the CEO that made 24 million in 2007 and 20 million in 2008.
Tell the CEO that made 24 million in 2007 and 20 million in 2008.
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Thank you all. I am going to save you your own humility and dignity. I work for a competitor of yours. I don't care if you have a doub le major, a PhD, or anything in between. I'm a high schoo grad and my education came from 29 months in Iraq. Label me as "unskilled" or "intellectually inferior," (you'll find that I'm not) or whatever you wish. Bottom line is this: every single one of you, who has contributed to this massive thread, ought to be absolutely sick with yourselves. You deserve a severe reprimand for the good you're doing your company. AT&T is only a half step above Sprint because your customer service isn't quite as terrible. And amidst the latest consumer report release of the "cell Phone Study", you were as a company rated one ...
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Not everyone who posts here is an AT&T employee. You're not and neither am I. Some are posting here because they hate AT&T or they hate the CWA or they hate big corporations or they hate unions. Some are just bored or curious. The point is it would be idiotic for someone to take anything posted in a public forum by anonymous persons and use it is a reason to punish twenty thousand individuals. Try again. You say you fought to protect free speech? Where here you go. Anyone can support the right of those who agree with them to speak, but our system is unique in that we protect the right to speak of those whom we do not agree with. If AT&T were to go aroung silencing those who disagree with the company line and we allowed it...then no ...
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You almost have a point, except the part where I mentioned shareholders. Maybe I was not articulate enough, and for that I apologize. I do not agree that it is right or wrong, but a massive multi billion dollar organization isn't going to care about right or wrong, they will care about the negative publicity. I'm surprised that AT&T stock hasn't dropped already due to the possible strike. And it will, when/if the strike happens. Also, you missed the point about laissez faire. Unrestricted capitalism. I'm all about the freedoms, when it does NOT involve my paycheck. In this case, it doesn't involve my paycheck directly, I am speaking rhetorically and theoretically about how this thread could cause stock, value, and profits to drop based on p...
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NEW YORK - It was a devastating day for AT&T on the market floor today with shares plummeting out of control. Panic raged across Wall Street while some just stood in awe and watched the board.
Senior analysts confirmed that a forum thread on the Internet was to blame.
"I told them to stop! I warned them. But they didn't listen to me," stated man in military fatigues who wished to remain anonymous.
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Hahahahahaha. I had to type it out and not use the smiley face. Hats off to you sir.
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Yeah. I'm personally an ex-employee of an AT&T outsource contractor. My views do not represent those of AT&T, the CWA, or anyone except yours truly.
I am generally ambivalent about Unions. Sometimes they're a good idea. Sometimes they're not. I DO figure it's probably not a good idea for AT&T to pull benefits from its line employees (shooting themselves in the foot in the long run, so a bunch of fat cats can sell their stocks on the uptick in the short run, near as I can figure) and I don't blame the CWA for striking under these circumstances. I am neither in a position to be reprimanded by the CWA nor AT&T for this opinion (and the latter can reap the whirlwind for their own stupidity). Frankly, they can both kiss my frosty Canuck arse...
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I am generally ambivalent about Unions. Sometimes they're a good idea. Sometimes they're not. I DO figure it's probably not a good idea for AT&T to pull benefits from its line employees (shooting themselves in the foot in the long run, so a bunch of fat cats can sell their stocks on the uptick in the short run, near as I can figure) and I don't blame the CWA for striking under these circumstances. I am neither in a position to be reprimanded by the CWA nor AT&T for this opinion (and the latter can reap the whirlwind for their own stupidity). Frankly, they can both kiss my frosty Canuck arse...
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