Nokia E71 and AT&T internet policies!
Ok, will AT&T allow me to keep my unlimited media net (currently using a dumbphone) on this beauty right here? -->http://www.wirelessimports.com/Store/Catal og/Detail.aspx?productId=981
I've read some horror stories about AT&T removing Media Net from people's accounts and stuff. I plan on getting the phone and just putting my SIM in it. Will they give me S#!%^?
I refuse to pay $30 a month for internet on a phone.
I've read some horror stories about AT&T removing Media Net from people's accounts and stuff. I plan on getting the phone and just putting my SIM in it. Will they give me S#!%^?
I refuse to pay $30 a month for internet on a phone.
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I also have the E71. Newegg has it cheaper than wirelessimports right now and yes it even has the correct bands for AT&T's 3G:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E ... »
As far as charging you more.. It's possible. Though as long as you don't use TOO much data you might be able to fly under the radar. I just recently added it to my phone as well. I don't plan on heavy full page web browsing myself.
Though having google maps work perfectly with the builtin GPS is nice.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E ... »
As far as charging you more.. It's possible. Though as long as you don't use TOO much data you might be able to fly under the radar. I just recently added it to my phone as well. I don't plan on heavy full page web browsing myself.
Though having google maps work perfectly with the builtin GPS is nice.
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There is no way around it, (If you want your phone to work right)
30.00= PDA Internet Unlimited
15.00= Non PDA Internet Unlimited
If you don't want to pay the 30, then do what some of my close friends have done. Buy an N-95, N-73, K850 etc...
If you want a PDA which an all In one expensive device, then you will pay the higher cost to have interent.
The phones work differently as well, PDA and Non PDA, which is why they require the 30.00 Data Pack..
30.00= PDA Internet Unlimited
15.00= Non PDA Internet Unlimited
If you don't want to pay the 30, then do what some of my close friends have done. Buy an N-95, N-73, K850 etc...
If you want a PDA which an all In one expensive device, then you will pay the higher cost to have interent.
The phones work differently as well, PDA and Non PDA, which is why they require the 30.00 Data Pack..
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Well guess what I own the Blackjack 2, Curve, and N95-3, and have NEVER paid more than $15/mo for unlimited MediaNet.
Phone Scoop doesn't look any different on any of the 3 above mentioned devices.
Internet is internet is internet!!!!!!!!
Phone Scoop doesn't look any different on any of the 3 above mentioned devices.
Internet is internet is internet!!!!!!!!
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At some point as the billing systems improve they could charge you overage. They have the right to. You are not using the correct package with the correct phone.
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The simple fact is that as long as AT&T doesn't know that you have an E-71 they will remain oblivious to the fact you have a PDA unless you use too much data.
I've always used the $15 MEdiaNet Unlimited. I've used a Tilt, and Blackjack 2. The only time you need a higher package is for Blackberry, or any kind of Enterprise use.
The only time I had a problem is when I had to tether my V3xx for a couple weeks because my neighbors moved and took their unsecured Wi-Fi with them. Eventually they removed the MEdiaNet package and charged me per-use, but as soon as I got the bill and saw it I called them up and gave them a piece of my mind. Got the $15 package back and credits for all the charges.
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I've always used the $15 MEdiaNet Unlimited. I've used a Tilt, and Blackjack 2. The only time you need a higher package is for Blackberry, or any kind of Enterprise use.
The only time I had a problem is when I had to tether my V3xx for a couple weeks because my neighbors moved and took their unsecured Wi-Fi with them. Eventually they removed the MEdiaNet package and charged me per-use, but as soon as I got the bill and saw it I called them up and gave them a piece of my mind. Got the $15 package back and credits for all the charges.
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I had emailed at&t customer service about this when I was trying out an E71, they stated as long as I am not using the phone as a modem for my PC, the $15 MediaNet plan would be okay.
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Ignore Slater. AT&T can see what IMEI is being used with what SIM and can change or bill you overages accordingly. Calling and complaining is the best way for them to know you were doing something wrong. They usually don't go after you until they see you teathering but I've worked in this business long enough that they will get you sooner or later. I just can't stand people imploring others how to cheat. Trust me, I've probably had about 40-50 people who think just like Slater and they have had to pay the piper. Makes my job and customer services jobs harder when the cheaters want a refund for getting caught.
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Ignore Slater. AT&T can see what IMEI is being used with what SIM and can change or bill you overages accordingly. Calling and complaining is the best way for them to know you were doing something wrong. They usually don't go after you until they see you teathering but I've worked in this business long enough that they will get you sooner or later. I just can't stand people imploring others how to cheat. Trust me, I've probably had about 40-50 people who think just like Slater and they have had to pay the piper. Makes my job and customer services jobs harder when the cheaters want a refund for getting caught.
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So there's no need to go after you. You are not one of the users bwag was talking about/to. AT&T will work with you on getting the proper plan for you. If the pay per use works out for your usage and saves you money, all the better. The 30.00 plan is designed for the folks who would use more than 30.00 per month on a pay per use basis.
The problem lies in the people who tether their phones on the $15.00 dollar plan and use mega amounts of data. These are the users that eventually drive up prices because they are unethical with their behaviour by violating the terms of service.
The problem lies in the people who tether their phones on the $15.00 dollar plan and use mega amounts of data. These are the users that eventually drive up prices because they are unethical with their behaviour by violating the terms of service.
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Thanks Coach! I'm not about busting balls but I just want people to know that there are rules and ways that we should go about doing things. Telling other customers that cheating AT&T is a good thing to do is just wrong. What'll happen is someone will do the wrong thing and then blame AT&T for a hugh bill and then claim that the guy on Phonescoop said its all right to do it.
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So from YOUR point of view and AT&T's, other than SCREEN SIZE what is the difference between viewing Phone Scoop on my handset using Opera Mini 4.2, or viewing Phone Scoop on my laptop using Internet Explorer, other than screen size what difference is there. Don't bring WAP into this, WAP doesn't exist anymore that's why we have mobile web browsers like Opera Mini & Skyfire. To view webpages in HTML.
Other than screen size ALL the web pages I go to regularly look no different on my N95 than they do on my laptop.
Other than screen size ALL the web pages I go to regularly look no different on my N95 than they do on my laptop.
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I was told that the billing for the 5GB cap is for air cards, and it is when your data usage goes over the 5gig cap on a data card that the billing starts to skyrocket. I was told that billing trigger is for data cards, - NOT - Unlimited MediaNet. I do tether my phone (N95-3) on ocassion but a large majority of my internet surfing is on my phone.
Nobody will ever convince me that data usage is any different between viewing websites on a cell phone or on a computer, the - ONLY - difference is - SCREEN SIZE -.
Nobody will ever convince me that data usage is any different between viewing websites on a cell phone or on a computer, the - ONLY - difference is - SCREEN SIZE -.
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Wow,
You are quite the little thief aren't you?
Stealing WiFi (now a federal crime)
Stealing service (lying to AT&T to get bill credits)
Next time you get that big bill I hope the rep is smart enough to look into your notes to realize you are habitual versus the little lying story you portray.
And get your technology recommendations correct. As soon as you put that SIM in your handset they know the type of phone being used.
Good luck with that thief!
You are quite the little thief aren't you?
Stealing WiFi (now a federal crime)
Stealing service (lying to AT&T to get bill credits)
Next time you get that big bill I hope the rep is smart enough to look into your notes to realize you are habitual versus the little lying story you portray.
And get your technology recommendations correct. As soon as you put that SIM in your handset they know the type of phone being used.
Good luck with that thief!
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Dang Tex...I was gonna post the same thing when I got back to my puter...well said!
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Thank you for telling the truth! ! ! ! ! People such as you and I enjoy the benefits of GSM.
I own the N95-3, and yeah, I tether, it's easy to tether my handset.
I own the N95-3, and yeah, I tether, it's easy to tether my handset.
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I just saw on Endgadget an at&t branded Nokia E71x. My guess is that this device will require a $30 data plan, but there article did not say for sure.
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Facts:
- AT&T can always determine the IMEI of a device that is being used on the network (Telegence can show it for every call, CARE not so much, but it's possible to use other network tools to determine the device). However, this does not always mean they will be able to determine what kind of device that is. Since the E71 is not currently offered by AT&T (and won't be anytime soon, to my knowledge), it's very possible the IMEI will show up, but just list the model as unknown.
- Enterprise data functions (any kind of email, VPN, etc) will always require the PDA data plan to work properly, though it's sometimes possible to use the PDA Personal plan ($30) instead of PDA Enterprise ($45). It depends on the server.
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- AT&T can always determine the IMEI of a device that is being used on the network (Telegence can show it for every call, CARE not so much, but it's possible to use other network tools to determine the device). However, this does not always mean they will be able to determine what kind of device that is. Since the E71 is not currently offered by AT&T (and won't be anytime soon, to my knowledge), it's very possible the IMEI will show up, but just list the model as unknown.
- Enterprise data functions (any kind of email, VPN, etc) will always require the PDA data plan to work properly, though it's sometimes possible to use the PDA Personal plan ($30) instead of PDA Enterprise ($45). It depends on the server.
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sometimes the incorrect imei is in the system becausee the genius authorized dealers sometimes dont update the imei and will upgrade from non pda to pda and leave the media net or opt out feature. i usually will let the customer get away with having the iphone and opt out featue unless there an asshole than i will add the data plan since its a requirement and i cannot be penalized for adding it.
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speaking from a att rep with beuc. under the care market. how do you find out what phone they are using currently with their sim in it? (outside of clarify) or if there is a program out there to find that out. it would be good knowledge to know
thank you
thank you
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Enterprise Directory Subscriber Access Tool
If you have a Global login, you have access to that. It doesn't give a history of all calls made like the billed call detail will in Telegence, but it will list the most recently used IMEI and (in most cases) the phone model.
If you have a Global login, you have access to that. It doesn't give a history of all calls made like the billed call detail will in Telegence, but it will list the most recently used IMEI and (in most cases) the phone model.
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well i need my global login reset (couldn't remember the pin and the secret question). but i think the edsat is in the mycsp links on the side right?
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japhy said:
I've seen RAZRs (the original GSM one) configured with a Data Connect plan for a laptop😁
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Meant to add that if anyone is using their device as a tethered modem, the Data Connect plan is required. You will receive PPU charges without it. That said, I am not sure if the original RAZR was tether compatible, but thought it was.
Meant to add that if anyone is using their device as a tethered modem, the Data Connect plan is required. You will receive PPU charges without it. That said, I am not sure if the original RAZR was tether compatible, but thought it was.
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Yes, but very few people would intentionally use a GPRS only device as a tethered modem when there's always been faster options available. Whenever such a configuration would appear, it was usually a mistake. With a V3xx or V9, it's much more likely the customer is using the device as a modem.
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Sir,
If you knowingly have the wrong plan on your account, incur chargers because you knowingly have the wrong plan on your account and then lie to customer service to get those charges removed THAT is stealing.
Just because the morals of many today have got to the toilet doesn't mean you should do it.
If you knowingly have the wrong plan on your account, incur chargers because you knowingly have the wrong plan on your account and then lie to customer service to get those charges removed THAT is stealing.
Just because the morals of many today have got to the toilet doesn't mean you should do it.
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As you phrase the situation, than I agree. To have such charges removed by lying, than yes: one could readily qualify such an act to be stealing.
However, the issue I was discussing was using one type of data plan for a different type of device, as the initiator of this thread was asking about. I maintain that to be paying less than what AT&T would prefer for a data service (but still paying for data service) is *not* stealing, regardless of what AT&T would have anyone believe.
It's not quite the same, but I liken the situation to the RIAA's aggressive description of digital manipulation of music as stealing. If I rip a CD that I bought to my computer, that's completely legal, but the RIAA has continuously sought to have such an act...
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However, the issue I was discussing was using one type of data plan for a different type of device, as the initiator of this thread was asking about. I maintain that to be paying less than what AT&T would prefer for a data service (but still paying for data service) is *not* stealing, regardless of what AT&T would have anyone believe.
It's not quite the same, but I liken the situation to the RIAA's aggressive description of digital manipulation of music as stealing. If I rip a CD that I bought to my computer, that's completely legal, but the RIAA has continuously sought to have such an act...
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My concern lies on the side of the handset subsidy. As an agent my stores subsidize a handset for far more on a PDA/Blackberry than we do on say a Shine. If we put someone on the correct plan then they somehow switch by manipulating the IMEI on their account we lose out. I paid for a far greater portion of your handset with an agreement that you use the correct plan.
I do disagree with you on the usage of the wrong plan from a moral standpoint. If one knows they are trying to dupe the system then that is black and white wrong. Joe customer who buys a blackberry curve on ebay and had a RAZR may not know the difference and ignorance to the matter is excusable. There are just too many, especially here, who try to circumvent the system ...
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I do disagree with you on the usage of the wrong plan from a moral standpoint. If one knows they are trying to dupe the system then that is black and white wrong. Joe customer who buys a blackberry curve on ebay and had a RAZR may not know the difference and ignorance to the matter is excusable. There are just too many, especially here, who try to circumvent the system ...
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Anytime you have to "work around" the system in order to get a plan that is not supposed to be used with a particular handset, that is by definition dishonest. You know the company expects one thing, and you have to knowingly go out of your way to avoid paying what you were told you would have to pay.
Just like the guy who steals wireless signal from his neighbors, he knows he is a thief, even if he tries to justify it as being unsecured.
If I see something I want sitting in my neighbor's yard that is not locked down, and I take it, it is theft. If I go to the cable box and alter the settings so I can get cable, it is theft. If I buy a descrambler so I can get pay channels for free, it is theft. If I set up my wireless PC ...
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Just like the guy who steals wireless signal from his neighbors, he knows he is a thief, even if he tries to justify it as being unsecured.
If I see something I want sitting in my neighbor's yard that is not locked down, and I take it, it is theft. If I go to the cable box and alter the settings so I can get cable, it is theft. If I buy a descrambler so I can get pay channels for free, it is theft. If I set up my wireless PC ...
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I just want to say thank you for your paticipation, you have been very, very informative.
I would like to say I understand AT&T's charges for things such as Blackberry email or Enterprise email, because it invovlves servers.
BUT, I do disagree with having different charges for regular web browsing for regular handsets vs. PDA phones, because web pages look no different whether it's Phone Scoop on my N95-3, Blackjack 2, or Blackberry Curve all of which I have Opera Mini 4.1 loaded on. PDA or non PDA webpages look no different. Personally I think Pocket Internet Explore is craP! That's why we have Opera Mini & Skyfire.
Such is the beauty of GSM. I can put my SIM card in any GSM device, and perticularly unlocked Nokia's detect network...
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I would like to say I understand AT&T's charges for things such as Blackberry email or Enterprise email, because it invovlves servers.
BUT, I do disagree with having different charges for regular web browsing for regular handsets vs. PDA phones, because web pages look no different whether it's Phone Scoop on my N95-3, Blackjack 2, or Blackberry Curve all of which I have Opera Mini 4.1 loaded on. PDA or non PDA webpages look no different. Personally I think Pocket Internet Explore is craP! That's why we have Opera Mini & Skyfire.
Such is the beauty of GSM. I can put my SIM card in any GSM device, and perticularly unlocked Nokia's detect network...
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You may not want my response but you will get it anyways.
They charge more because ALL PDA devices use a different servers, not just blackberries.
If you understand the reasoning for blackberries then you should understand the difference for other PDA devices.
They charge more because ALL PDA devices use a different servers, not just blackberries.
If you understand the reasoning for blackberries then you should understand the difference for other PDA devices.
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Hmm, when you make mention of servers are you referring to regular internet traffic? Or BB enterprise/microsoft exchange email?
Cause when I put my sim in a Blackjack 2, or a Curve, regular internet works just fine. I can careless about BB email or microsoft exchange.
Cause when I put my sim in a Blackjack 2, or a Curve, regular internet works just fine. I can careless about BB email or microsoft exchange.
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I may not be 100% correct on the verbiage but the concept is correct.
Regular handsets use the older wap.cingular servers to access the internet. These servers handle substantially more traffic.
PDA devices use isp.cingular. Less traffic and faster.
The settings are in the phone, NOT the sim so yes if you swap your sim around it will always work until the day your account is audited.
Regular handsets use the older wap.cingular servers to access the internet. These servers handle substantially more traffic.
PDA devices use isp.cingular. Less traffic and faster.
The settings are in the phone, NOT the sim so yes if you swap your sim around it will always work until the day your account is audited.
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Hmm, nice to finally have somewhat understanding. It may be different on AT&T's end, with the servers, but the end user experience I see no difference, this is coming from someone who has used a Blackjack 2, Curve, and N95, all with Opera Mini. Web experience is the same, PDA or non PDA.
I do a large majority of my web browsing on my N95-3, using the Opera Mini browser.
I do a large majority of my web browsing on my N95-3, using the Opera Mini browser.
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I have to say that this is one of the more intelligent & articulate discussions I've seen on PS. And thanks for the kind words, Jay. 🙂
I'm a bit annoyed, though, that there seems to be so little focus on the issue at hand. Texaswireless & others seem to be concerned with trying to define what is right & wrong. You can do that all you want - I have a very firm moral compass, I know what I believe, and I happen to agree that theft is wrong. As to what constitutes theft, well, there's some degree of interpretation there, and some folks are intent on forcing their definition on others. I'm not too comfortable with that.
The issue, as it relates to Beachslapped's original post, is whether it is [legally/morally/procedurally] wro...
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I'm a bit annoyed, though, that there seems to be so little focus on the issue at hand. Texaswireless & others seem to be concerned with trying to define what is right & wrong. You can do that all you want - I have a very firm moral compass, I know what I believe, and I happen to agree that theft is wrong. As to what constitutes theft, well, there's some degree of interpretation there, and some folks are intent on forcing their definition on others. I'm not too comfortable with that.
The issue, as it relates to Beachslapped's original post, is whether it is [legally/morally/procedurally] wro...
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Not sure which way your moral compass is pointing there guy.
If someone intentionally tried to get service for an amount cheaper than are supposed to be paying and used deceptive practices to keep that service (for example, putting a non PDA IMEI on their account so they can get medianet knowing they will be using a PDA) there is very little wiggle room for what they are doing.
And I seriously doubt you can intelligently speak to the thoughts of Ralph De La Vega. Why are they taking steps to ensure that the right plan can only be activated on a certain IMEI when you used to be able to activate any internet plan on any IMEI (on pos.com II) if they didn't care?
Not sure what region you are in but the $99 cap remains here in the North...
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If someone intentionally tried to get service for an amount cheaper than are supposed to be paying and used deceptive practices to keep that service (for example, putting a non PDA IMEI on their account so they can get medianet knowing they will be using a PDA) there is very little wiggle room for what they are doing.
And I seriously doubt you can intelligently speak to the thoughts of Ralph De La Vega. Why are they taking steps to ensure that the right plan can only be activated on a certain IMEI when you used to be able to activate any internet plan on any IMEI (on pos.com II) if they didn't care?
Not sure what region you are in but the $99 cap remains here in the North...
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The billing system telegence is no longer capping the ppu rate. I just had an account like that. I always thought the PPU cap was rediculous because it was easier to convince somone to get an unlimited plan who had a 4000.00 bill as opposed to someone with a 150.00 bill.. $15 or $4,000? 🙂
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Yeah the cap isn't in effect in my market either... we were told there's issues with it and it's relaunching later.
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Good info to know. Nothing has been mentioned here. I will certainly ask our reps.
Thanks
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Again, texas: you're looking to the terms of service as a morally guiding document in the same sense that some folks will point to the Bible for moral & spiritual commandments, or the Magna Carta for the definition of human rights and so forth.
While I usually don't speculate about the operation ethos of others, I think I can confidently say that DLV would never classify paying customers as "thieves".
I deal with all regions & markets - I work in Telegence, Telegence NBI, & CARE Markets. There's no $99 cap anymore. I'll look to see if I can find any accounts that are showing it, but I'm nigh-unto-certain that the cap is gone nationally. You may still be dealing with some residual statements, or your market might be an exce...
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While I usually don't speculate about the operation ethos of others, I think I can confidently say that DLV would never classify paying customers as "thieves".
I deal with all regions & markets - I work in Telegence, Telegence NBI, & CARE Markets. There's no $99 cap anymore. I'll look to see if I can find any accounts that are showing it, but I'm nigh-unto-certain that the cap is gone nationally. You may still be dealing with some residual statements, or your market might be an exce...
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I really don't care, but I'll still defend myself.
Some devices need the $30 and some don't. If you want to pay $30 for a service you can get for $15, by all means.
Myself and all my associates always provision the account properly with whatever plan they need for the phone. When it comes to selling it is in my best interest to do so. But as a consumer inquiring about what may actually be needed, I'd like to save some money if possible. There is probably only a small fraction of people that use the improper plans, and I say good for you.
DaCoach and Bwag - Enjoy conformity and I hope it follows you into other facets of consumerism.
TexasWireless - My neighbors, one of whom is a roomate of mine now, were completely aware that I w...
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Some devices need the $30 and some don't. If you want to pay $30 for a service you can get for $15, by all means.
Myself and all my associates always provision the account properly with whatever plan they need for the phone. When it comes to selling it is in my best interest to do so. But as a consumer inquiring about what may actually be needed, I'd like to save some money if possible. There is probably only a small fraction of people that use the improper plans, and I say good for you.
DaCoach and Bwag - Enjoy conformity and I hope it follows you into other facets of consumerism.
TexasWireless - My neighbors, one of whom is a roomate of mine now, were completely aware that I w...
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TexasWireless - My neighbors, one of whom is a roomate of mine now, were completely aware that I was using their Wi-Fi and didn't care. The assumption you made about my remarks was wrong. And yes, I got credits on my bill, had most people on here been in the same position they would have done the same thing. I'm not paying a $1000 bill. And I'm sure if they dug a little deeper they'd be able to find out what kind of phone the SIM is in. But at the account maintenance level that most stores and CSR's deal in the IMEI that is scanned into the account is the one they see.
You all just need to calm down a little.
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Got click happy before I could post what I wanted to - basically, the facts of the matter is that even if your neighbor didn't care you were using there wifi, its still illegal. Its not the neighbor you are stealing from, its the company providing it.
If abiding by the rules and laws that governments and companies have set for certain products is "conformity", then I don't see what the problem is. You are simply highlighting the growing public attitude that as long as you don't get caught, then its ok.
You act as if playing the system is fine for everyone - You claim no one would pay a $1,000 bill - but what if customer service refuses to credit the charges back? Would you simply say, "ok, i got caught, its on me"..? I seriously doub...
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If abiding by the rules and laws that governments and companies have set for certain products is "conformity", then I don't see what the problem is. You are simply highlighting the growing public attitude that as long as you don't get caught, then its ok.
You act as if playing the system is fine for everyone - You claim no one would pay a $1,000 bill - but what if customer service refuses to credit the charges back? Would you simply say, "ok, i got caught, its on me"..? I seriously doub...
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Totally wrong. It's the neighbor paying for it that has the say in who can use it or not. Using your logic, if somebody comes to my house to visit and while they're there they use my wi-fi then it's still stealing. That doesn't make sense. His knowledge of my use is all that matters.
While the amount you pay may be governed by the contract, there is no law that controls that to a certain extent. Playing the system may not be fine for everyone. But like I've said, I don't really care.
As long as you don't call up acting like a raging maniac, customer service will credit the charges back. And yes, like many customers I will do whatever it takes to get a credit, because I know I can.
ALL HAIL YOU GUYS!!! KINGS OF MORALITY!!! 🙄
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While the amount you pay may be governed by the contract, there is no law that controls that to a certain extent. Playing the system may not be fine for everyone. But like I've said, I don't really care.
As long as you don't call up acting like a raging maniac, customer service will credit the charges back. And yes, like many customers I will do whatever it takes to get a credit, because I know I can.
ALL HAIL YOU GUYS!!! KINGS OF MORALITY!!! 🙄
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Totally wrong. It's the neighbor paying for it that has the say in who can use it or not. Using your logic, if somebody comes to my house to visit and while they're there they use my wi-fi then it's still stealing. That doesn't make sense. His knowledge of my use is all that matters.
You truly have no clue do you? The service your neighbor is paying for is for their address - there own home. If you are not located in that home, you do not have the right to use that service. Its the exact same as if they were still using wired internet - If you were to hack into their wired setup it would be considered stealing - you are doing the same thing, except the "wires" are just wireless bandwidth...
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Actually, I have a clue, where's yours? While I understand why you would think that, there's no real logic to support it. My neighbor purchases the service to use however he pleases. If he gives me permission to use the service that he pays for, how is it stealing? If I lose my phone and I borrowed his, am I stealing the service because he pays for it?
Hacking infers breaking into and stealing, so sure hacking a wired setup to use is stealing. But using internet with the permission of the person that pays for it...?
Show me the law that says I have to pay $30 when I can pay $15 for internet on my cell phone. Or show me the law that says I can't borrow my neighbors wi-fi with their permission. Not the terms and services of the company, ...
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Hacking infers breaking into and stealing, so sure hacking a wired setup to use is stealing. But using internet with the permission of the person that pays for it...?
Show me the law that says I have to pay $30 when I can pay $15 for internet on my cell phone. Or show me the law that says I can't borrow my neighbors wi-fi with their permission. Not the terms and services of the company, ...
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That was uncalled for. You shouldn't insult 5 year olds everywhere by comparing them to jaysch...I mean acslater... 😲
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I'm totally aware of morals. I just choose not to have them in some aspects. 😈
You don't have to explain anything to me. Frankly, and I don't know how many times I have to explain this, I don't care what you think.
You don't have to explain anything to me. Frankly, and I don't know how many times I have to explain this, I don't care what you think.
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The point is being missed here. The ISP sold your neighbor a package at a price intended to support one household. Once it is supporting more that that household, it is a violation of their policy and the law.
If it were not so, I would get the $39/month package from my ISP, and run cables to all the houses/apartments in my neighborhood. The ISP would lose out on thousands of dollars of revenue, and perhaps I could make a little as well ...
If it were not so, I would get the $39/month package from my ISP, and run cables to all the houses/apartments in my neighborhood. The ISP would lose out on thousands of dollars of revenue, and perhaps I could make a little as well ...
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I've had an unlocked/unbranded N95-3 for almost a year now and I have paid $15/mo for unlimited MediaNet the whole time.
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Yeah its an unbranded AT&T phone not recognized as a PDA in the billing system. That is why it works.. and I am sure that with other PDA devices it works because the billing system as the IMEI of a non smartphone device...
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I decided not to get the e71 (for now) I'll get it sometime next year when I can afford the $30 PDA plan
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You guys just need to let it drop. None of your are policy makers for at&t just leave it to them to make the decisions. Can you please just give it a rest on this?
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No - this is important. If you're just focused on the shiny toys aspect of the wireless industry, than you're being (and I don't use this term glibly) brainwashed. This site is an excellent resource for the technical & procedural aspects of the industry, but if you're ignoring the ethos behind the choices that are made, or glossing over the choices that are made that change the industry, you're missing out on a lot.
On a related note. . . I miss the phonescoop blog, but that's just me.
On a related note. . . I miss the phonescoop blog, but that's just me.
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BeachSlapped said:
Ok, will AT&T allow me to keep my unlimited media net (currently using a dumbphone) on this beauty right here? -->http://www.wirelessimports.com/Store/Catal og/Detail.aspx?productId=981
I've read some horror stories about AT&T removing Media Net from people's accounts and stuff. I plan on getting the phone and just putting my SIM in it. Will they give me S#!%^?
I refuse to pay $30 a month for internet on a phone.
Uses the same operating system... i wonder if they will consider the e71 as a pda and require a pda package since it has a keyboard and allow the 6650 media net since is has a traditional keypad????
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Good question. I was shocked to see the 6650 on medianet rather than pda connect. Wasn't the quickfire also originally slated to be a pda at the start of the year? Rebates had a US Starcom phone listed as a pda.
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Guy Montag said:
Good question. I was shocked to see the 6650 on medianet rather than pda connect. Wasn't the quickfire also originally slated to be a pda at the start of the year? Rebates had a US Starcom phone listed as a pda.
it's a double standard with at&t... the ut starcom that was listed was supposed to be an entry level pda running on edge and win mo 5.0. from the looks of it they canceled that and the quickfire is what it is.
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I have to say that I'm much happier with the Quickfire being what it is though. at&t has needed something to compete with the Sidekick, and the OS is incredibly simple, touch interface has very little lag, and the price is right. The feedback we've been getting is great.
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I'm not complaining about the change, but it makes one wonder what At&t's criteria are for a PDA phone. Now that they've dropped the smart phone genera I'm curious to see where these devices (like the 6650) start to fall.
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AT&T Policy says:
QWERTY + Enterprise functions/corporate email capability + smartphone operating system (Tilt, Treos, probably E71) = PDA data plan required.
QWERTY + personal/webmail only + dumbphone OS(Pantech Matrix, Propel, Slate, etc) = MediaNet plan.
Of course, the real world provisioning can often be quite different (as has been discussed above).
Anything without a QWERTY would be a MediaNet data plan. Something like the Nokia E51 or the HP iPaq510 might be an exception, since they're pretty capable of corporate email, but for devices that aren't offered by AT&T natively, there won't be that much scrutiny.
QWERTY + Enterprise functions/corporate email capability + smartphone operating system (Tilt, Treos, probably E71) = PDA data plan required.
QWERTY + personal/webmail only + dumbphone OS(Pantech Matrix, Propel, Slate, etc) = MediaNet plan.
Of course, the real world provisioning can often be quite different (as has been discussed above).
Anything without a QWERTY would be a MediaNet data plan. Something like the Nokia E51 or the HP iPaq510 might be an exception, since they're pretty capable of corporate email, but for devices that aren't offered by AT&T natively, there won't be that much scrutiny.
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I think Nokias are going to have the most phones in this grey area. The 6650 is a series 60 OS but only needs the media net package.
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That's because the 6650 does not have a QWERTY keyboard. The N71, for instance has the same OS, but has the QWERTY keyboard, so it would require the PDA plan.
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they should really start classifying requirements by OS not by keyboard. It just doesn't make sense.
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I agree -- what does the layout of the phone have to do with the cost to provide service?
Some time ago, I bought a new phone -- just a basic phone, but it had a camera in it at a time when only about 20% of phones had cameras. I would have selected that phone, even without the camera. Although I expected I might use the camera on occasion, I had absolutely NO intention of sending photos via the phone service -- I could upload them via a PC connection.
When I went to get the contract setup with my selected phone, they added a monthly charge for photo sending. As I recall, it included xx photos per month at that rate, then a per-photo thereafter. I told them I did not want that service, and was told that it was NOT optional -- the ph...
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Some time ago, I bought a new phone -- just a basic phone, but it had a camera in it at a time when only about 20% of phones had cameras. I would have selected that phone, even without the camera. Although I expected I might use the camera on occasion, I had absolutely NO intention of sending photos via the phone service -- I could upload them via a PC connection.
When I went to get the contract setup with my selected phone, they added a monthly charge for photo sending. As I recall, it included xx photos per month at that rate, then a per-photo thereafter. I told them I did not want that service, and was told that it was NOT optional -- the ph...
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japhy said:
AT&T Policy says:
QWERTY + Enterprise functions/corporate email capability + smartphone operating system (Tilt, Treos, probably E71) = PDA data plan required.
QWERTY + personal/webmail only + dumbphone OS(Pantech Matrix, Propel, Slate, etc) = MediaNet plan.
Of course, the real world provisioning can often be quite different (as has been discussed above).
Anything without a QWERTY would be a MediaNet data plan. Something like the Nokia E51 or the HP iPaq510 might be an exception, since they're pretty capable of corporate email, but for devices that aren't offered by AT&T natively, there won't be that much scrutiny.
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sounds like thats goin on here. i dont see anything wrong with working the system, especially since the system has been working us since the system was started.
think about it, i have to pay health insurance for at least 6 months before i can use it, wtf?????
also, if im selling lemonade for $1 a cup, and someone tell me they saw it down the road for $0.50 a cup, and i sell it to them at the lower rate, and there was no one selling for $0.50 then the customer worked the system, he didnt steal from me, he worked the system.
every dollar put into the system has to be paid back with interest. at the same time, if you deposit 1 million in the bank, they only have to hold 10%, so the bank just made $900,000 for absolutely nothing. if peo...
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think about it, i have to pay health insurance for at least 6 months before i can use it, wtf?????
also, if im selling lemonade for $1 a cup, and someone tell me they saw it down the road for $0.50 a cup, and i sell it to them at the lower rate, and there was no one selling for $0.50 then the customer worked the system, he didnt steal from me, he worked the system.
every dollar put into the system has to be paid back with interest. at the same time, if you deposit 1 million in the bank, they only have to hold 10%, so the bank just made $900,000 for absolutely nothing. if peo...
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