at&t 2q results
Net gain of 15,000 customers nationwide...I guess thats a lot better than the -367,000 from last quarter...all I have to say you guys is good luck with the merger...but right now it's not lookin too good
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Even Nextel beat both of them combined
Nextel 546,000
Cingular 428,000
AT&T 15,000
its amazing what can happen in three months
Nextel 546,000
Cingular 428,000
AT&T 15,000
its amazing what can happen in three months
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crshnbrn5 said:Give them credit. They came back from LNP nightmares, losing 367,000 subscribers, and Cingular buying them out (causing some people to eye them warily) to post a net gain for the quarter. Congrats.
Even Nextel beat both of them combined
Nextel 546,000
Cingular 428,000
AT&T 15,000
its amazing what can happen in three months
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TheVZWMan said:Any limp is better than the full-on collapse I expected this quarter.
to use a poker term here, they kinda limped in on the button though
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TheVZWMan said:
This is true can't wait to see what our results are
They're coming soon. 😁
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I know, it's like Christmas Eve...the only thing that I don't get with Cingular Reps on here, is this: If you guys have so much better coverage i.e. no roaming, no extended network, a much better selection of phones etc etc etc, why is it repeatedly on a quarter by quarter basis, do we completely crush you with net customer growth and lower churn rates? To me that speaks for itself...you can throw JD Power and Consumer Reports out the window...
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Its simple. this is still a relatively new business. Verizon is living on the past results of indeed having better everything a few years ago.
GSM is catching up and has past them in many areas, phone technology, M2M coverage, lower cost, and even coverage is getting within percentage points.
the simple fact is only recently has these things evolved and the public has not caught on yet that the new Cingular will be just as good with more choices and flexibility as well as extended services coverage.
Verizon knows this as it is now attempting three year contracts to buy itself time to deal with the recent threat. They know its there. So far so good, but the clock is ticking. Verizon will stay the same as it was 5 years ago while th...
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GSM is catching up and has past them in many areas, phone technology, M2M coverage, lower cost, and even coverage is getting within percentage points.
the simple fact is only recently has these things evolved and the public has not caught on yet that the new Cingular will be just as good with more choices and flexibility as well as extended services coverage.
Verizon knows this as it is now attempting three year contracts to buy itself time to deal with the recent threat. They know its there. So far so good, but the clock is ticking. Verizon will stay the same as it was 5 years ago while th...
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So you're basically saying that VZW does so well repeatedly, quarter after quarter...actually not well....but leaves everybody in the dust for the simple reason that our customer are uneducated and dumb?
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Im not sayint its becasue your customers are uneducated and dumbe...Your word.
I am saying in my opinion after having done consumer research having neither GSM or CDMA, not biased, I at one time or another during the couple months I read was willing to go with any of them. I not married to a particular Carrier.
From dealing with guys like 85percent (they are "not unusual types" in Verizon sales). to the GSM vs CDMA debate and the phones, features and all other future considrations I chose GSM and Cingular. You guys are lucky most do not have the free time I do!
From a ground Zero stand point and beginning research today. I don't see nor obviously do I understand why anyone who did such research and did not just 'follow the herd" wo...
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I am saying in my opinion after having done consumer research having neither GSM or CDMA, not biased, I at one time or another during the couple months I read was willing to go with any of them. I not married to a particular Carrier.
From dealing with guys like 85percent (they are "not unusual types" in Verizon sales). to the GSM vs CDMA debate and the phones, features and all other future considrations I chose GSM and Cingular. You guys are lucky most do not have the free time I do!
From a ground Zero stand point and beginning research today. I don't see nor obviously do I understand why anyone who did such research and did not just 'follow the herd" wo...
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theres no point in arguing with you cause I, unlike yourself, am unable to see into the future...so all I'm going to say is...we'll see Nostradamus
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But I can see. As long as you have guys like 85percent speaking to customers..Oh yeah..Even.Stevie Wonder can see the future of Verizon. Child's play for Nostradamous!
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kingfrog77 said:You have to come up with better lines as well.
But I can see. As long as you have guys like 85percent speaking to customers..Oh yeah..Even.Stevie Wonder can see the future of Verizon. Child's play for Nostradamous!
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Im not sayint its becasue your customers are uneducated and dumbe...Your word.
I am saying in my opinion after having done consumer research having neither GSM or CDMA, not biased, I at one time or another during the couple months I read was willing to go with any of them. I not married to a particular Carrier.
From dealing with guys like 85percent (they are "not unusual types" in Verizon sales). to the GSM vs CDMA debate and the phones, features and all other future considrations I chose GSM and Cingular. You guys are lucky most do not have the free time I do!
From a ground Zero stand point and beginning research today. I don't see nor obviously do I understand why anyone who did such research
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Thats where you are wrong. As a customer I decide what happens. Do you think I the only person who is thinking this way or bumping into arrogant kids like you in Verizon Stroes? Think again.
You want to talk numbers? 1.1 Billion GSM users worldwide can't be wrong! Thats nuts to think your success is driven by numbers. I'll bet you also drive using the rear view mirror!
Ans I will bet although my knowledge may not be at the depth of some who work in the industry. I do know more than many of the sales reps selling the stuff. I laugh when I see guys having trouble being hired by these companies to sell. A Verizon rep could not even explain the difference in 'extended network services" instead relied on JD POwers. Another tried to tell m...
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You want to talk numbers? 1.1 Billion GSM users worldwide can't be wrong! Thats nuts to think your success is driven by numbers. I'll bet you also drive using the rear view mirror!
Ans I will bet although my knowledge may not be at the depth of some who work in the industry. I do know more than many of the sales reps selling the stuff. I laugh when I see guys having trouble being hired by these companies to sell. A Verizon rep could not even explain the difference in 'extended network services" instead relied on JD POwers. Another tried to tell m...
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🤣 Does AT&T own the GSM network outside of the US? Does Cingular? No! It's like saying David Hasselhoff sold 1 million records in the US, which is a very small amount. But worldwide, he has sold 40 million, so that makes him the most popular singer alive. Come on, you might have done your research but please stop acting like you know everything about our industry.
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100 Percent said:Sorry about King. He likes to ramble.
🤣 Does AT&T own the GSM network outside of the US? Does Cingular? No! It's like saying David Hasselhoff sold 1 million records in the US, which is a very small amount. But worldwide, he has sold 40 million, so that makes him the most popular singer alive. Come on, you might have done your research but please stop acting like you know everything about our industry.
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For me it's about the technology. GSM vs CDMA, and benefits there of. I happen to have chosen GSM with Cingular as only the Carrier choice. ATT and Cingular may not own that technology, but just becasue many are on the CDMA technology in the US does not make it the world standard technology by any stretch.
What you are saying is because most people in the USA us Verizon it ois the best! I don't agree.
Verizon is the David Hasslehof of the World in reverse according to your analogy! Sometimes US technologies are not the best and most universally accepted way of doing things. Toyota, BMW, Casio, Sony.....I would ay the Japanese are ahead of the US in that area. Now if you are talking bomb making and defense systems. Well thats another...
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What you are saying is because most people in the USA us Verizon it ois the best! I don't agree.
Verizon is the David Hasslehof of the World in reverse according to your analogy! Sometimes US technologies are not the best and most universally accepted way of doing things. Toyota, BMW, Casio, Sony.....I would ay the Japanese are ahead of the US in that area. Now if you are talking bomb making and defense systems. Well thats another...
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For me it's about the technology. GSM vs CDMA, and benefits there of. I happen to have chosen GSM with Cingular as only the Carrier choice. ATT and Cingular may not own that technology, but just becasue many are on the CDMA technology in the US does not make it the world standard technology by any stretch.
agreed. we are comparing U.S. wireless carriers, not worldwide technology.
What you are saying is because most people in the USA use Verizon it is the best! I don't agree.
why? obviously the majority of people in this country wouldnt be using an inferior technology. right? or did i lose you there
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MOST other countries? I highly doubt over 200 countries make up EUROPE. That is the only place GSM is mandated.
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Thanks Pimp you saved me the research.
I was saying most people use CDMA becasue it was the first to offer reliable coverage and service in a day when that was rare from companies like Cingular. Now that Cingular is catching ubp and can offer more for less that should change. thats what I mean when I imply Verizon is living in the past.
Their barebones propietary technology does not seem to be up to the times. Its only a matter of time before every day Joe sees how far and reliable GSM has come with all the flexibility, choices, and plans.
I was saying most people use CDMA becasue it was the first to offer reliable coverage and service in a day when that was rare from companies like Cingular. Now that Cingular is catching ubp and can offer more for less that should change. thats what I mean when I imply Verizon is living in the past.
Their barebones propietary technology does not seem to be up to the times. Its only a matter of time before every day Joe sees how far and reliable GSM has come with all the flexibility, choices, and plans.
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Now that Cingular is catching ubp and can offer more for less that should change. thats what I mean when I imply Verizon is living in the past.
you do understand how business works right? If a company cant compete with another company by offering the same level of service then their only option to stay alive is to offer their product for cheaper. All that means is that they're barely hanging on and need something to bring customers in becuase their service by itself isnt cutting it.
As for Verizon living in the past...please explain, the only thing you have to stand on is the phones. We have faster data communications and everything is integrated into the same network whereas GSM c...
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ummm. chris? you have that backwards... we aren't the ones that need an "enhanced network" to run data
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ummm. chris? you have that backwards... we aren't the ones that need an "enhanced network" to run data
no Im afraid since as always you're stuck on the analog/digital argument you missed my point. Im referring to CDMA being able to have voice and data on the same network at the same time vs. GSM having to have GPRS to do their data for them
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Now do you figure GSM/GPRS aren't on the same network? GPRS is an overlay to GSM.
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GPRS involves overlaying a packet based air interface on the existing circuit switched GSM network. This gives the user an option to use a packet-based data service. To supplement a circuit switched network architecture with packet switching is quite a major upgrade. However, as we shall see later, the GPRS standard is delivered in a very elegant manner- with network operators needing only to add a couple of new infrastructure nodes and making a software upgrade to some existing network elements....
With GPRS, the information is split into separate but related "packets" before being transmitted and reassembled at the receiving end. Packet switchi
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THen why is you M2M on a different MAP? Thats voice is it not?
is your head made of oak or cedar cuz you're really dense
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IM just ppointing out you have two different voice networks, One for extended services. It would appear the giant CDMA network is too antiquated to provide all services to a single user for a single price everywhere you have coverage. So you have another whole network for 'GSM catch up" technologies like free M2M.
I want to hear the 'excuses" in the quarter when GSM net adds as a whole in the US pass Verizon net adds.
It may have already happened this past quarter if what I am reading about T mobile adds is correct.
I want to hear the 'excuses" in the quarter when GSM net adds as a whole in the US pass Verizon net adds.
It may have already happened this past quarter if what I am reading about T mobile adds is correct.
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Cingular offers cheaper product because they need to educate the brainwashed can you hear me no masses who do not know how far they have come.
It will and actually s erizon who will have to begin new pricing strategies and business strategy to stay on top as Cingular is making it's move.
Verizon already is making changes like M2M albeit weak, why do they need to do anything judginng from your logic? They are the top and should not have to give away a thing. wrong! They know Cingular will be a force to contend with for when they begin to slow down growth, it will be too late.
Everything in the same network? I have seen your "extended services network" maps. If that was your voice map as well you guys would long be out of business. Ci...
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It will and actually s erizon who will have to begin new pricing strategies and business strategy to stay on top as Cingular is making it's move.
Verizon already is making changes like M2M albeit weak, why do they need to do anything judginng from your logic? They are the top and should not have to give away a thing. wrong! They know Cingular will be a force to contend with for when they begin to slow down growth, it will be too late.
Everything in the same network? I have seen your "extended services network" maps. If that was your voice map as well you guys would long be out of business. Ci...
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You DO realize that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, right?
Cingular offers cheaper product because they need to educate the brainwashed can you hear me no masses who do not know how far they have come.
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They need to attract customers with better deals. Then customers will then see what they have been missing and how much better coverage is.
They are using value to attract customers. Verizon gets customers based on reputation only. A reputation that was deserved and soley theirs.
Things are differnet for GSM carriers. They have nearly equal coverage and more features and flexibility on a lager network. Cingular has to be less expensive to get people talking and realizing i is indeed a better value. Verizon knows this and as the leader is still making 'catch up type moves" with M2M etc
They are using value to attract customers. Verizon gets customers based on reputation only. A reputation that was deserved and soley theirs.
Things are differnet for GSM carriers. They have nearly equal coverage and more features and flexibility on a lager network. Cingular has to be less expensive to get people talking and realizing i is indeed a better value. Verizon knows this and as the leader is still making 'catch up type moves" with M2M etc
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kingfrog77 said:MUCH better. Keep up the good work.
They need to attract customers with better deals. Then customers will then see what they have been missing and how much better coverage is.
They are using value to attract customers. Verizon gets customers based on reputation only. A reputation that was deserved and soley theirs.
Things are differnet for GSM carriers. They have nearly equal coverage and more features and flexibility on a lager network. Cingular has to be less expensive to get people talking and realizing i is indeed a better value. Verizon knows this and as the leader is still making 'catch up type moves" with M2M etc
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muchdrama said:kingfrog77 said:MUCH better. Keep up the good work.
They need to attract customers with better deals. Then customers will then see what they have been missing and how much better coverage is.
They are using value to attract customers. Verizon gets customers based on reputation only. A reputation that was deserved and soley theirs.
Things are differnet for GSM carriers. They have nearly equal coverage and more features and flexibility on a lager network. Cingular has to be less expensive to get people talking and realizing i is indeed a better value. Verizon knows this and as the leader is still making 'catch up type moves" with M2M etc
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You certainly do not need my posts for that result. You are not going to have the largest most reliable network forever. ALL READY Cibgular kicks your azz with their "extended services coverage" Premiere brand phones, flexibility, worldwide standard, pricing, roll over, 7PM noghts,,,,,and on and on,and thats only the beginning.
How long do you guys think you can keep the wool over your customer base....no wait don't tell me....forever..just because it's Verizon.....
Yeah and then you woke up......you wil be 75% then 60% then 40& all the way to a big ZERO,,,wondering how some azz hole who knew nothing saw it coming?
Practice after me...." how about a 4 door sir...It has Blue Tooth built in for your Verizon...oops Im sorry..you can...
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How long do you guys think you can keep the wool over your customer base....no wait don't tell me....forever..just because it's Verizon.....
Yeah and then you woke up......you wil be 75% then 60% then 40& all the way to a big ZERO,,,wondering how some azz hole who knew nothing saw it coming?
Practice after me...." how about a 4 door sir...It has Blue Tooth built in for your Verizon...oops Im sorry..you can...
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You certainly do not need my posts for that result. You are not going to have the largest most reliable network forever. ALL READY Cibgular kicks your azz with their "extended services coverage" Premiere brand phones, flexibility, worldwide standard, pricing, roll over, 7PM noghts,,,,,and on and on,and thats only the beginning.
How long do you guys think you can keep the wool over your customer base....no wait don't tell me....forever..just because it's Verizon.....
Yeah and then you woke up......you wil be 75% then 60% then 40& all the way to a big ZERO,,,wondering how some azz hole who knew nothing saw it coming?
Practice after me...." how about a 4 door sir...It has Blue Tooth built in for
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I learn from everyone! Pimp is one of the most knowlegable and actually calm reps on this and the Verizon board. you guys on the other hand are nasty, name calling, and insulting. looking for "come backs' rather then sharing of information.
I chose CINGULAR after a long exhaustive research of companies and technology. I made the right choice. I will carry the flag for Cingular and GSM and I will learn from guys like PP and the rest and repeat that correct information as needed to support and further validate my choice.
I do not like Verizon and the "image" I have observed from guys like yourself and I will at every opportunity get people on Verizon to switch over. I have already switched over my entire family. All many had to do was ...
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I chose CINGULAR after a long exhaustive research of companies and technology. I made the right choice. I will carry the flag for Cingular and GSM and I will learn from guys like PP and the rest and repeat that correct information as needed to support and further validate my choice.
I do not like Verizon and the "image" I have observed from guys like yourself and I will at every opportunity get people on Verizon to switch over. I have already switched over my entire family. All many had to do was ...
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Verizon knows this and as the leader is still making 'catch up type moves" with M2M etc
once again talking out of your stink hole.....VZW had unlimited M2M back in 2000 - 2001 then switched to a capped amount of minutes, now we're back to unlimited again...explain how this is catch up???
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chris_lt1 said:kingfrog77 said:
Verizon knows this and as the leader is still making 'catch up type moves" with M2M etc
once again talking out of your stink hole.....VZW had unlimited M2M back in 2000 - 2001 then switched to a capped amount of minutes, now we're back to unlimited again...explain how this is catch up???
kingfrog cant explain anything he says.
he has diarrhea of the mouth. the symptoms of this disease consists of repetitive banter that doesn't make sense, or constant rambling of unprovable statements.
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you wish i was that ignorant But then again i know you are not used to an informed customer and don't know quite how to act so you resort to insult and innuendo which really serves to prove that you cannot refute my opinions, facts and ideas.
Well insult all you like if that helps your self esteem. You know where I am coming from and you are afraid I jut might be right. People in corners strike out wildly and that is exactly the behavior you are exhibiting.
And you call yourself a professional.....shame..
Well insult all you like if that helps your self esteem. You know where I am coming from and you are afraid I jut might be right. People in corners strike out wildly and that is exactly the behavior you are exhibiting.
And you call yourself a professional.....shame..
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you wish i was that ignorant But then again i know you are not used to an informed customer and don't know quite how to act so you resort to insult and innuendo which really serves to prove that you cannot refute my opinions, facts and ideas.
Well insult all you like if that helps your self esteem. You know where I am coming from and you are afraid I jut might be right. People in corners strike out wildly and that is exactly the behavior you are exhibiting.
And you call yourself a professional.....shame..
1. you said that our jobs in the wireless industry barely require training.
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1. Baiting for some Cingulr help? Yes they do not require a whole lot of training unless you consider 8 weeks a lot of training! Dealers in Las Vegas get more training!
2. Cingular family share 600 minutes 49.99 w/RO
Verizon shared 500 $59.99
I erred in Verizon's favor!
3. I do not think thre is any Cingular employee her who does not believe they will overtake Verizon within three years as I have predicted.
4. You are not proving that point. Answer the list I have posted to you here and in Verizon. point by point and show where I am wrong. You won't and cannot.
5. please keep your sexual preferences to yourself!!
Keep the hits coming rookie
2. Cingular family share 600 minutes 49.99 w/RO
Verizon shared 500 $59.99
I erred in Verizon's favor!
3. I do not think thre is any Cingular employee her who does not believe they will overtake Verizon within three years as I have predicted.
4. You are not proving that point. Answer the list I have posted to you here and in Verizon. point by point and show where I am wrong. You won't and cannot.
5. please keep your sexual preferences to yourself!!
Keep the hits coming rookie
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Keep the hits coming rookie
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LOL.. breath.. oh my... LOL..
calling me a rookie?
you dont even work in the wireless industry, you're just a fan of what we do..
you are officially elephant boy..
p.s. you forgot to call me daddy.
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You debate like a rookie, you have the vocabulary of a rookie and you name call like a rookie....
not in the wireless industry, where you have weeks of training and an earned (because you lasted longer) "title" woo woo.
But in life, son. In life you are a text book rookie.
not in the wireless industry, where you have weeks of training and an earned (because you lasted longer) "title" woo woo.
But in life, son. In life you are a text book rookie.
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lmao who you callin a "rookie" man you really need to learn how to come up with better come backs dude i mean "rookie" is that the best you can come up with man what are you in the eight grade? really dude try not to be so lame naxt time 🤣
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like Hey DUUUUDE (another rookie, oops kid)like duude I mean like really dude, man you are going to have to come back better then that......
Who are you?
Who are you?
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You debate like a rookie, you have the vocabulary of a rookie and you name call like a rookie....
not in the wireless industry, where you have weeks of training and an earned (because you lasted longer) "title" woo woo.
But in life, son. In life you are a text book rookie.
i've been through hundreds of hours of training, not to mention the fact that i work over 40 hours a week in this industry, so for you to question your daddy's knowledge is foolish, son.
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I"""'ve been through hundreds of hours of training, not to mention the fact that i work over 40 hours a week in this industry, so for you to question your daddy's knowledge is foolish, son.""
Yeah but you learned nothing! Except how to be rude, insulting, condecending, disrespectful....oh yeah "Sell em JD Powers, Sell em on our little guys who go around in cars testing signal claiming we are the best, sell em....Blue Tooth? Bluuu Toooth? We don't need no stinkin Blue Tooth!!! Selll em Iin Network...but don't tell them it not really national...confuse them....
I will believe you put in the time. But I do not see here anyway what you have learned that which one cannot find crusing around the net for a few weeks.
Yeah but you learned nothing! Except how to be rude, insulting, condecending, disrespectful....oh yeah "Sell em JD Powers, Sell em on our little guys who go around in cars testing signal claiming we are the best, sell em....Blue Tooth? Bluuu Toooth? We don't need no stinkin Blue Tooth!!! Selll em Iin Network...but don't tell them it not really national...confuse them....
I will believe you put in the time. But I do not see here anyway what you have learned that which one cannot find crusing around the net for a few weeks.
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I will believe you put in the time. But I do not see here anyway what you have learned that which one cannot find crusing around the net for a few weeks.
there is much much more knowledge to acquire by actually working for one of these large wireless carriers versus 'cruising around the net for a few weeks'... for example, all of the confidential stuff that we cant mention here is part of it...
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I would expect Confidential information is usually wth regard to business strategy.
In the wireless technology there is not too much technologically that would be confidential as GSM is open source and only Verizon has CDMA. No secrets there. Lots of strategy though. I do not consider business strategy the kind of knowledge needed to make an informed desision on the technology, exceopt when that strategy gives me more bang for the buck as Cingular appears to do for me personally.
-signed elephant boy, moron,daddy,......
In the wireless technology there is not too much technologically that would be confidential as GSM is open source and only Verizon has CDMA. No secrets there. Lots of strategy though. I do not consider business strategy the kind of knowledge needed to make an informed desision on the technology, exceopt when that strategy gives me more bang for the buck as Cingular appears to do for me personally.
-signed elephant boy, moron,daddy,......
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-signed elephant boy, moron,daddy,......
atleast you know your names now. 😁
but there is more to know by actually working for the wireless carriers versus browsing the web.. bottom line
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There is something to be said for being a consumer and for working with people who used to work for another carrier who have lots of horror stories...
On another note, is it true a carrier can sue you if you leave there to work for another in a certain period of time?
On another note, is it true a carrier can sue you if you leave there to work for another in a certain period of time?
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There is something to be said for being a consumer and for working with people who used to work for another carrier who have lots of horror stories...
On another note, is it true a carrier can sue you if you leave there to work for another in a certain period of time?
no, look at my profile on here.. i've worked for each company atleast a year a piece, with about a month of time between each position.. if you work for two wireless carriers at the same time, yea that's conflict of interest..
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Perhaps, but all I needed to make an informed decision was the web and sales reps from all the choice carriers. Most consumers do not have th free time I have, nor the inclination, and as I have said before, those will become the Cust sat issues down the line.
Since i went in with real expectations and know the limitations and trade offs, I cannot get too upset when I drop a call now and then. I will get upset if my minutes do not roll over, or I get charged for another plan. Then I will see what Cingular CSRs are about. I do think Cingular is firing on all cylinders and can smell the prize from the guy cleaning the bathrooms to the guys in the boardroom though.
Since i went in with real expectations and know the limitations and trade offs, I cannot get too upset when I drop a call now and then. I will get upset if my minutes do not roll over, or I get charged for another plan. Then I will see what Cingular CSRs are about. I do think Cingular is firing on all cylinders and can smell the prize from the guy cleaning the bathrooms to the guys in the boardroom though.
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you wish i was that ignorant But then again i know you are not used to an informed customer and don't know quite how to act so you resort to insult and innuendo which really serves to prove that you cannot refute my opinions, facts and ideas.
Well insult all you like if that helps your self esteem. You know where I am coming from and you are afraid I jut might be right. People in corners strike out wildly and that is exactly the behavior you are exhibiting.
And you call yourself a professional.....shame..
I am professional unless Im dealing with a complete moron like yourself, if I wanted to deal with people like you I would be teaching special education
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You don't have the education son to teach anything or anyone anything. Just another arrogant Verizom rep who facing the end of the golry road.
A professional? I have not met a professional sales rep in a Verizon store by any sense of the imagination. OMG....Car selling would be a giant move up on the social ladder for guys like you. I have and evidently the public has more respect for their honesty , integrity, and knowledge of the product.
A professional? I have not met a professional sales rep in a Verizon store by any sense of the imagination. OMG....Car selling would be a giant move up on the social ladder for guys like you. I have and evidently the public has more respect for their honesty , integrity, and knowledge of the product.
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I think most people in here agree that we want to talk about wireless services and not hurl pointless insults. Have you had any interaction with a vzw sales rep? Have you used the service?
*singing to myself* "if you mad that i'm right, wish me wrong, if you mad i'm on top, then wish me gon' , if you mad i'm on the road, then wish me home, but after your three wishes...."
Ya'll know the rest.
*singing to myself* "if you mad that i'm right, wish me wrong, if you mad i'm on top, then wish me gon' , if you mad i'm on the road, then wish me home, but after your three wishes...."
Ya'll know the rest.
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Hell yes I have had interaction both here in Las Vegas and in Atlantic City. 5 differnt stores! All my uestions were met with arrogant reps who felt they were doing ME a favor selling me "the JD Powers rated best service" Only one rep here in Las Vegas was kind and accomodating, but she told me In Network" was the entire red area. When I asked her if she was sure, she said "pretty." Ithen asked her to check with another rep who came over and began his speil about GSM sucks and 45 million customers etc. when I turned to leave I felt like I was walking a car deal!
Yeah I have had experience with a few reps. And yes I came away with an "image" of Verizon that sickened me. Then even here the Verizon types with few exceptions, are name calling...
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Yeah I have had experience with a few reps. And yes I came away with an "image" of Verizon that sickened me. Then even here the Verizon types with few exceptions, are name calling...
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Well I can tell you from my personal experience. I visited a few stores in AC and Las Vegas and in ALL cases was met with humility and accommodation. they did not bash CDMA, only pointed out differences and allowed me to make my own choice. It was obvious they offered more for less and did not have to take a "convincing, hardline defensive stand". Even in this forum i read PhonePimp get harangued by the likes of 85% 100% chris and he does not resort to the depths of insult they routinely spew. As if a good "comeback" is more important then sharing the information and differences. They are kids I know and live in that world like duude and all that. but thats no excuse. Verizon is a major company and I feel for them being represented by Duuuuu...
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I am in love wih knowledge from whomever and where ever it's source, and those who calmly express a point without insult and innuendo (see "are you in love with Phone Pimp?'}
You can attempt to insult me all you need to. It only serves to prove my point and resolve to see Verizon lose market share and see the GSM carriers prevail.
-signed elephant boy, moron, retard, daddy....
You can attempt to insult me all you need to. It only serves to prove my point and resolve to see Verizon lose market share and see the GSM carriers prevail.
-signed elephant boy, moron, retard, daddy....
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I apologize. I couldn't resist. I definitely want to discuss facts and numbers. So, let's just change the subject to something else...why isn't cingular adding as many subs as VZW each quarter? And why is it not even close?
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My answer to that is Verizon has been around a lot longer as a HUGE company with the largest coverage and reliability. It has name recognition and a great advertising campaign. Thats all changing now with GSM technology rising to equal the coverage and offering more for less and the flexibility of phone choice and features.
I feel David has the tools and base in place to beat Goliath and It is only just beginning. the momentum is on Verizon's side. But as more people learn about value and understand GSM is as good and may even better in many areas Goliath will fall.
it will be slow at first. your Y2Y adds will decrease and slow down, but Cingular and TMobile will continue to grow in new ads. Then you will see contracts not renewed and ...
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I feel David has the tools and base in place to beat Goliath and It is only just beginning. the momentum is on Verizon's side. But as more people learn about value and understand GSM is as good and may even better in many areas Goliath will fall.
it will be slow at first. your Y2Y adds will decrease and slow down, but Cingular and TMobile will continue to grow in new ads. Then you will see contracts not renewed and ...
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You actually made some really good points in that post. I find it interesting that I have also worked for a GSM carrier and noted that since I left, they too are adopting a corporate culture of fighting verizon.
Gsm is good, but not great. Neither is CDMA for that matter. The bottom line is that Verizon has done a better job of pounding it into consumers heads that their network is the best. I apologize that the marketing teams at other carriers are unable to do this. Tmobile's marketing strategy concerns get more minutes, features, dropped calls, and refurbed phones. Cingular fits you bets moreso because of all the plans and features. But only one carrier delivers where it matter most, completing and holding onto a call more often than...
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Gsm is good, but not great. Neither is CDMA for that matter. The bottom line is that Verizon has done a better job of pounding it into consumers heads that their network is the best. I apologize that the marketing teams at other carriers are unable to do this. Tmobile's marketing strategy concerns get more minutes, features, dropped calls, and refurbed phones. Cingular fits you bets moreso because of all the plans and features. But only one carrier delivers where it matter most, completing and holding onto a call more often than...
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You are correct as well. I found out quickly and as was confirmed om these forums Verizon's corporate culture is of a "pompous, gloating and we cannot fail" nature. Insulting, berating, and condecending. like "what? You think GSM is actually better, you stupid moron! Well 45 million people disagree!"
Verizon has only begun playing "catch up" on the technological and business side becasue they have to do it while 45 million customers are asleep.
Wwhen they awake their had better be something worth staying for other than a super advertising campaign. thats why you suddenly see "In Network" which is like a brand new carrier in that it is but a small footprint of their digital coverage area. 3 year contracts were floated around here to 'buy...
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Verizon has only begun playing "catch up" on the technological and business side becasue they have to do it while 45 million customers are asleep.
Wwhen they awake their had better be something worth staying for other than a super advertising campaign. thats why you suddenly see "In Network" which is like a brand new carrier in that it is but a small footprint of their digital coverage area. 3 year contracts were floated around here to 'buy...
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it will be slow at first. your Y2Y adds will decrease and slow down, but Cingular and TMobile will continue to grow in new ads. Then you will see contracts not renewed and your base will slowly erode. Verizon then will change strategy, offer more minutes, cheaper phones, whatever, but all this will affect the bottom line which will cause, commission restructuring, maybe layoffs and technical issues. Then CS will be affected, because moral will be lower. Its a slow spiral downward.
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Its the way business works. I worked a long time ago for XEROX. Same scenario happened because of the arrogant culture. The we can't lose mentality.
Many lost jobs. No one starved to death although afew had to sell their Lexus'
It could happen to ANY company. Including mighty Verizon.
If it should, there will be plenty of jobs with another Crrier,Someone has to pick up those 45 million talkers and 1 mil adds per quarter. Don't worry so much. you'll get an ulcer.
Many lost jobs. No one starved to death although afew had to sell their Lexus'
It could happen to ANY company. Including mighty Verizon.
If it should, there will be plenty of jobs with another Crrier,Someone has to pick up those 45 million talkers and 1 mil adds per quarter. Don't worry so much. you'll get an ulcer.
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And Besides doesn't evry employee of cingular want to see the demise of Verizon. I have heard its part of their cororate culture to take down big red. So jump off your moral high horses and realize you are in a free market society where onlt the strong, smart and yes humble survive!
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Actually there's a difference between "taking down" and actually removing VZW from competition. If they "take VZW down" they'll be outselling, outclassing, and generally replacing them as the top carrier. If they remove VZW from competition altogether they'll be run down by the DoJ for making themselves a monopoly. It'll be Microsoft all over again.
Our "free market society" isn't as free as you think when you throw that consideration in there. If they oust VZW as the top carrier, they have accolades, if they effectively destroy them they're in BIG legal trouble. No one wants to destry the competition, competition is healthy and it keeps the gov't off your back.
Our "free market society" isn't as free as you think when you throw that consideration in there. If they oust VZW as the top carrier, they have accolades, if they effectively destroy them they're in BIG legal trouble. No one wants to destry the competition, competition is healthy and it keeps the gov't off your back.
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Don't bet on it. Xerox was destroyed by forign companies. Where was the gov then? Microsoft STILL has the only operating system and a whole host of software that outsells competitors. What did the gov do there? Harley Davidson cried for gov help then raped American buyers of their product.
Im sure Cingular would absolutly love 45 million customers!
Im sure Cingular would absolutly love 45 million customers!
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I don't know about Xerox, but Microsoft still has to compete with linux in the business arena (where it makes most of it's money), and Harley is still being beaten out by the Big Four Japanese makers who are churning out a lot more of models that are much more affordable and reliable.
and by the end of the merger Cingular will have 45 mil.+ customers if I recall my #'s correctly...
and by the end of the merger Cingular will have 45 mil.+ customers if I recall my #'s correctly...
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You are correct. GSM must be the Linux of the cellular world theh. Ya think the gov will stop Linux from chewing up MS if that were to happen?
Harley sells ALL the bikes they Make. They choose not to increase production in order to keep the value up. No such thing as a "deal" on a Harley anymore. Not since Uncle Sam put a tariff on 750cc japanese bikes which is still in force i believe.
I ment Cingular would love a big chunk of Verizon's 45 mil!
Harley sells ALL the bikes they Make. They choose not to increase production in order to keep the value up. No such thing as a "deal" on a Harley anymore. Not since Uncle Sam put a tariff on 750cc japanese bikes which is still in force i believe.
I ment Cingular would love a big chunk of Verizon's 45 mil!
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GSM is the linux of the cellular world, like linux it's an open standard that affords a lot more development for a lot less money.
And that tariff, along with the demise of the 750 class in almost ALL racing circles is why the Japanese don't put all that many 750's on the market.
And that tariff, along with the demise of the 750 class in almost ALL racing circles is why the Japanese don't put all that many 750's on the market.
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I don't know about the less money for develpment. I have been reading GSM towers are more expensive and serve less area. There are no real upkeep expenses though.
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Geez! does this guy always have to get the last word?
yes he does. he gets a hard-on talking about GSM
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damn if that's all it takes who needs porn? I think I'll stick to letting my girlfriend give me boners though if the frog doesn't mind.
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Cingular is pro-competition. Would we like to knock VZW down a peg or two? To quote Stone Cold Steve Austin "Hell Yeah!". Do we want them gone? Nope. Its much more to our advantage to have them in second place. They have been number one for so long, that should we move past them, the resulting press and brouhaha would boost our gross adds dramatically. Besides, we need someone to keep us on our toes when we move into the top slot. Verizon is a mighty competitor, and won't let us rest on our laurels once we surpass them. This makes Cingular HAVE to be a better company, and benefits us as a company and our customers as we have to stay ahead of the game.
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Even if that is a sarcastic remark it is completely upcalled for...And when it comes to over 100,000 employees natiowide that your talking about putting under that makes you coldheart, self center, arrogant little prick...thats all I have to say to you...Even thinking 'Ha we could put a lot of people out of work to put more money in our pockets, who cares if they have children that need food or medicine or anything like that, let them deal with it" you make me gag
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that makes you coldheart, self center, arrogant little prick..
Gee maybe now Im finally qualified to work for Verizon Sales! I seem to have gained all the attributes quit nicely.
You guys are making me cry with your rantings about all the poor and displaced Verizon employees. Its almost like its really happening today!!!
Hey don't sweat it , you fellas have a couple of years to find another job. In the mean time I think you should volunteer at a couple of soup kitchens. You will need the practice and exposure!
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Man I think it's just best to back down off this one. You've significantly pissed off quite a few people with your bullsh*t already. Fight your horrible inclinations to get the last word and insist on being right and shut yer piehole for once. When ya start eliminating peoples livelihood for your own twisted amusement you're goin beyond corporate loyalty and stepping into homes. That's one place this discussion needs not go.
For f*ck's sake let this die here!!!!
For f*ck's sake let this die here!!!!
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Kingfrog...
Let's make one thing clear. I'm sure I speak for the majority of Wireless Reps nationwide when I say this... Verizon the company is made up of people. SOme good, some not so good. This is true of ALL companies.
As much as our COMPANIES may compete, I think there are very few of us who would want to see the PEOPLE behind Verizon suffer. Would we like to cut into their gross adds? Damn right. Would we like to stuff JD Powers right up their anus? Yep. Beat them to death with their 'most reliable' claim once we steal it? Of course. WOuld I like to see any of them in the unemployment line, or eating at a soup kitchen while staying in a homeless shelter. Not a chance. Separate VZW the COMPANY from VZW the PEOPLE. Attack the comp...
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Let's make one thing clear. I'm sure I speak for the majority of Wireless Reps nationwide when I say this... Verizon the company is made up of people. SOme good, some not so good. This is true of ALL companies.
As much as our COMPANIES may compete, I think there are very few of us who would want to see the PEOPLE behind Verizon suffer. Would we like to cut into their gross adds? Damn right. Would we like to stuff JD Powers right up their anus? Yep. Beat them to death with their 'most reliable' claim once we steal it? Of course. WOuld I like to see any of them in the unemployment line, or eating at a soup kitchen while staying in a homeless shelter. Not a chance. Separate VZW the COMPANY from VZW the PEOPLE. Attack the comp...
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you don't want my shoes... they be kicking harder than Bruce Lee with muscle spasms.
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Dude! This post is WAY over the top!!!
I mean I've heard of brand loyalty or carrier loyalty (I'm a Moto fan myself, regardless of carrier), but this is rediculous.
Are you aware that the people on this site are among the minority when it comes to cell phone knowledge. Most laymen who have cell's don't have a clue what we're talkin about when we refer to GSM or CDMA. Even fewer care to learn, unless they happen to be tech-heads.
It's MY OPINION that having both a GSM and a CDMA carrier holding the two largest networks in the country is an advanatge to the informed consumer. They can learn the strengths and weaknesses of both technologies and choose equally between them without suffering in coverage.
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I mean I've heard of brand loyalty or carrier loyalty (I'm a Moto fan myself, regardless of carrier), but this is rediculous.
Are you aware that the people on this site are among the minority when it comes to cell phone knowledge. Most laymen who have cell's don't have a clue what we're talkin about when we refer to GSM or CDMA. Even fewer care to learn, unless they happen to be tech-heads.
It's MY OPINION that having both a GSM and a CDMA carrier holding the two largest networks in the country is an advanatge to the informed consumer. They can learn the strengths and weaknesses of both technologies and choose equally between them without suffering in coverage.
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Bleeding hearts aside for a moment. are you saying this can't happen? Has never happened?
If so don't worry about my thoughts. You will have jobs forever and all will rest easy in your happy little red world.
If so don't worry about my thoughts. You will have jobs forever and all will rest easy in your happy little red world.
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Bleeding hearts aside for a moment. are you saying this can't happen? Has never happened?
If so don't worry about my thoughts. You will have jobs forever and all will rest easy in your happy little red world.
No I realize that this is possibility, does this mean that I would vocalize it and even put a senario on here where people are getting laid off or sh*t canned??? Hell No! Thats just wrong
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Verizon then will change strategy, offer more minutes, cheaper phones, whatever, but all this will affect the bottom line which will cause, commission restructuring, maybe layoffs and technical issues. Then CS will be affected, because moral will be lower. Its a slow spiral downward.
Oh but wait Kingfrog, according to your earlier response to my post on this these offers for more minutes and cheaper phones have absolutely nothing to do with a company that is scrambling to find more ways to add revenue
*sniff sniff* Im smelling a little hipocracy here
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Verizon then will change strategy, offer more minutes, cheaper phones, whatever, but all this will affect the bottom line which will cause, commission restructuring, maybe layoffs and technical issues. Then CS will be affected, because moral will be lower. Its a slow spiral downward.
VZW's 1.5 million new customers VS Cingular's 400,000 new customers
that's a strange downward spiral for VZW if ya ask me
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Ah but Verizon is not used to having to do theses things we as with Cingular they are built into the current business model.
Cingular is not having to "give away the farm they already harvested" Every time Verizon has to impliment a customer savings driven event, it screws with their bottom line.
VZ has nore to loose to compete whwere there was no competition. This QTR next QTR and the next QTR will be fine for VZ....IM talking 3rd QTR 2005. Thats when I belive you will see a shift in trend.
Cingular is not having to "give away the farm they already harvested" Every time Verizon has to impliment a customer savings driven event, it screws with their bottom line.
VZ has nore to loose to compete whwere there was no competition. This QTR next QTR and the next QTR will be fine for VZ....IM talking 3rd QTR 2005. Thats when I belive you will see a shift in trend.
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VZ has nore to loose to compete whwere there was no competition..
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is you-a speaka engrish?
frog did you ditch english class a little too often?
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Ah but Verizon is not used to having to do theses things we as with Cingular they are built into the current business model.
Cingular is not having to "give away the farm they already harvested" Every time Verizon has to impliment a customer savings driven event, it screws with their bottom line.
VZ has nore to loose to compete whwere there was no competition. This QTR next QTR and the next QTR will be fine for VZ....IM talking 3rd QTR 2005. Thats when I belive you will see a shift in trend.
I've got a money making idea for you frog. Open up a balloon company, you've definitely got enough hot air to fill them all
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You don't have the education son to teach anything or anyone anything..
hmm thats odd.. i dont know how i answer over a hundred questions a day from customers then. i probably just BS my way through the day, huh?
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I know how you answer them. i read it here! i fel sorry for them looking to you like you have the Gospel truth. I really do.
I was one of those customers. I remember only to well.
I was one of those customers. I remember only to well.
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Verizon already is making changes like M2M albeit weak, why do they need to do anything judginng from your logic? They are the top and should not have to give away a thing. wrong! They know Cingular will be a force to contend with for when they begin to slow down growth, it will be too late.
heres a good time for you to stop talking out of your azz and put some facts in....us slowing down???? we had double the growth Cingular did in the first quarter.
Phonepimp can school me all he wants. This is about sharing information, not a pizzing contest to me. But enjoy holding your D**k nevertheless
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chris_lt1 said:...kingfrog77 said:
Verizon already is making changes like M2M albeit weak, why do they need to do anything judginng from your logic? They are the top and should not have to give away a thing. wrong! They know Cingular will be a force to contend with for when they begin to slow down growth, it will be too late.
heres a good time for you to stop talking out of your azz and put some facts in....us slowing down???? we had double the growth Cingular did in the first quarter.Phonepimp can school me all he wants. This is about sharing information, not a pizzing contest to me. But enjoy holding your D**k nevertheless
Im referring to him jumping in
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btw...I have nothing but respect for phonepimp,
so do i
even though we dont really agree most of the time he's always quoting facts about the industry.
true
Everytime you [kingfrog] posts an argument of any sort its always your opinion and you pose it as if you're preaching to everyone.....that I dont like
because Kingfrog tries and pulls facts out of his a$s. constantly. he has very little knowledge of the industry.
yea i used to argue with MarkoCain all the time, but atleast he knew what he was talking about. kingfrog is just lost.
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Getting to ya....list where I have been wrong fellas.
1.You have a measaly enhanced services network compared to Cingular which uses their entire network for ALL services, M2M, pic sharing, etc no roamong and THAT network is not that much smaller then Verizons total digital/analog patchwork network. False?
2. your phones are off brand for the most part and cannot easily be implimented with features needing ' continous rigorous testing" ut hey it only a phone.BT will be standard in many cars and Verizon has yet to be able to produce a solution.
3 HAVE to take your phone into a Verizon store to get it programec whereas GSM users just swapa Sim card with all their info on it.
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1.You have a measaly enhanced services network compared to Cingular which uses their entire network for ALL services, M2M, pic sharing, etc no roamong and THAT network is not that much smaller then Verizons total digital/analog patchwork network. False?
2. your phones are off brand for the most part and cannot easily be implimented with features needing ' continous rigorous testing" ut hey it only a phone.BT will be standard in many cars and Verizon has yet to be able to produce a solution.
3 HAVE to take your phone into a Verizon store to get it programec whereas GSM users just swapa Sim card with all their info on it.
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Im waiting 85! Where on my list am I misinformed or ignorant to the facts.
Please make an Azz out of me! Amd don't give me the "i don't have to, you already are" line. You are too easy to predict.
Please make an Azz out of me! Amd don't give me the "i don't have to, you already are" line. You are too easy to predict.
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Im waiting 85! Where on my list am I misinformed or ignorant to the facts.
Please make an Azz out of me! Amd don't give me the "i don't have to, you already are" line. You are too easy to predict.
example 1-
you stated that our rate plans are $79.99 for 600 minutes on two phones.
wrong. do some research before typing.
and thats just on the first page of the forum. want me to find more misinformation from you?
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Im sorry $79 for 500 family share minutes. I gave you an extra 100 minutes. Another $20 for a second line. Yeah thats a better deal....
Any more?
Any more?
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Im sorry $79 for 500 family share minutes. I gave you an extra 100 minutes. Another $20 for a second line. Yeah thats a better deal....
Any more?
yea try again. you're still wrong.. man are you serious???.. you even went to research our plans and you still cant get the correct information??
here i'll help you, elephant boy.. our plan is $79.99 for 800 nationwide minutes with two phones.. got it?
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You wil see in my previous post i corrected this. but of course you responded to the error.
Your ability to use selective smoke and mirrors hinders your credibility more and more with each post. you still have not answered my point to point post though. Where am I wrong there?
Bring it. I will cop to being wrong. I want only good information presented as well as you. So Daddy....seek my errors!!
Your ability to use selective smoke and mirrors hinders your credibility more and more with each post. you still have not answered my point to point post though. Where am I wrong there?
Bring it. I will cop to being wrong. I want only good information presented as well as you. So Daddy....seek my errors!!
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Getting to ya....list where I have been wrong fellas.
1.You have a measaly enhanced services network compared to Cingular which uses their entire network for ALL services, M2M, pic sharing, etc no roamong and THAT network is not that much smaller then Verizons total digital/analog patchwork network. False?
yes, that is false, if you compare our DIGITAL network to Cingular's GSM network its close but if you compare our digital/analog network to Cingular's GSM network its not even a competition
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How many Nokia phones? Not many.
Audiovox...major brand?....? Please
BT can be implimented in All GSM manufacturd phones but not in CDMA...Hmmmm wonder if it really is the makers. Doubt it.
The In Network" portion of Verizon is not near the "in Network" area of Cingulars. thats a fact. The fact is your 'digital' network in it's entiretty does NOT support your enhanced services. Only a small and DIFFERENT 'gold area" map.
GSM in Verizon phones....you want to make it convienient...No I think you are giving in to the inevitable. 40% of your company is owned by a GSM Carrier and they may have had to liquidate Verizon if the bid fo ATT was successful and convert all your 45 mil to GSM. Which I think they will do eventually. Yes I do thi...
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Audiovox...major brand?....? Please
BT can be implimented in All GSM manufacturd phones but not in CDMA...Hmmmm wonder if it really is the makers. Doubt it.
The In Network" portion of Verizon is not near the "in Network" area of Cingulars. thats a fact. The fact is your 'digital' network in it's entiretty does NOT support your enhanced services. Only a small and DIFFERENT 'gold area" map.
GSM in Verizon phones....you want to make it convienient...No I think you are giving in to the inevitable. 40% of your company is owned by a GSM Carrier and they may have had to liquidate Verizon if the bid fo ATT was successful and convert all your 45 mil to GSM. Which I think they will do eventually. Yes I do thi...
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Thats nuts to think your success is driven by numbers. I'll bet you also drive using the rear view mirror!What else do you derive success from?
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1.1 Million people is easy to say when GSM is the only service europe is alowed to use. You cannot get a CDMA licence from the EU. There were quite a few companys that attempted to get CDMA licences because they were having trouble getting UMTS equipment and they had bought UMTS license and there were companys offering CDMA 2K equipment and ready to ship. Australia's goverment subsised company (can't remember it's name) Supports a GSM and a CDMA network because the GSM works really well in the bit citys where there are high dencity of tower but they can't support the network out in the country so they had to do CDMA in the country. The reason GSM does so well is that the EU forces a monopoly there so any company that wants to have inter...
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True enough, but the EU makes up a relatively small part of the over 200 countries using GSM.
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but also looking into that how many cellular users there are within the EU and then tell me how many are left over...you say there are over 200 countries that use GSM...Some of those would HAVE to be 3rd world countries...where even though there is a GSM network there, there might only be a total of maybe 100 people in the country that are well off enough to own cellular service...so even that 200 country thing could be a little scewed...I would actually like to find a list of the these countries as well as how many users there are in those countries...that might put things a little more in perspective...just my 2 cents
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Check out GSMWorld - http://www.gsmworld.com should be a list there somewhere.
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but also looking into that how many cellular users there are within the EU and then tell me how many are left over...you say there are over 200 countries that use GSM...Some of those would HAVE to be 3rd world countries...where even though there is a GSM network there, there might only be a total of maybe 100 people in the country that are well off enough to own cellular service...so even that 200 country thing could be a little scewed...I would actually like to find a list of the these countries as well as how many users there are in those countries...that might put things a little more in perspective...just my 2 cents
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As would I, I'm curious as to how many subscribers are from Europe, that has to be a major major chunk of the 1.1 billion, I mean take a look the country list for GSM roaming
http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/index.shtml »
...most(not all)of the countries on this list are either not very heavily populated, 3rd world countries, or part of the mandated Europe...I mean Bosnia for heavens sake...they're too busy trying not to get killed, they can't afford cell phones
http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/index.shtml »
...most(not all)of the countries on this list are either not very heavily populated, 3rd world countries, or part of the mandated Europe...I mean Bosnia for heavens sake...they're too busy trying not to get killed, they can't afford cell phones
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I don't see nor obviously do I understand why anyone who did such research and did not just 'follow the herd" would want to pay MORE for Verizon and CDMA technology.It's pretty simple. Verizon offers extremely reliable service. Give it time. Competition's just starting to heat up.
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kingfrog77 said:
Its simple. this is still a relatively new business. Verizon is living on the past results of indeed having better everything a few years ago.
umm.. the 2nd quarter results are based off of the past three months.
GSM is catching up and has past them in many areas, phone technology, M2M coverage, lower cost, and even coverage is getting within percentage points.
tell me exactly how coverage is rated in percentage points. 😕
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the simple fact is only recently has these things evolved and the public has not caught on yet that the new Cingular will be just as good with more choices and flexibility as well as extended services coverage.
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the new Cingular = merging with a company that lost over 300,000 customers last quarter. 🤣You're going to have to come up with a better line soon.
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Are you kidding, 85%? ATTWS customers are ALREADY getting increased service from Cingular, and that's PRE-MERGER. Grow a clue.
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phonepimp3376 said:
Are you kidding, 85%? ATTWS customers are ALREADY getting increased service from Cingular, and that's PRE-MERGER. Grow a clue.
Well of course ATT customers will experience increased service. Merge anything with ATT, and ATT customers will notice better reception
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That's the dumbest statment i've ever heard. You could merge anything with anyone and you get better reception. Why would you make a statment like that? It's like saying bleeding someone dry will kill them...OF COURSE.
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🤣 whatever! Last year, Verizon invested 4 billion to improve the network. That is 1/10 of the price that Cingular payed for At&t. How is Cingular going to match that? You guys do not generate enough revenue to even come close. Your churn alone is going to stop you from investing the amount of money that is needed to compete.
Another thing to think about. At the end of the year, AT&T is going to let every customer out of their contract for 30 days without an early termination fee. The customer will have to sign a contract with Cingular OR they can switch to another carrier. If you had a choice, what would you do? The numbers are right in front of your faces.
Another thing to think about. At the end of the year, AT&T is going to let every customer out of their contract for 30 days without an early termination fee. The customer will have to sign a contract with Cingular OR they can switch to another carrier. If you had a choice, what would you do? The numbers are right in front of your faces.
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100 Percent said:
Another thing to think about. At the end of the year, AT&T is going to let every customer out of their contract for 30 days without an early termination fee. The customer will have to sign a contract with Cingular OR they can switch to another carrier. blockquote>
Yea I heard about that too. There are no concrete details on it yet though. Its 'proprietary' information within Cingular/ATT. So it's still shadey about what exactly will happen with that.
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According to other Cingular reps on here they are saying that will not happen because the service agreements for the AT&T customers are not going to change they are going to keep their same calling plans and everything but I guess we'll know more about that as the merger date gets closer
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We already know enough about the merger. If you think about it, it's not really a merger. It's just a buyout of a company that was going to go under, regardless of the situation. It may look like Cingular is gaining a customer base, but all they're really doing is gaining pissed off customers that will still be pissed off once they switch to the same network.
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100 Percent said:
We already know enough about the merger. If you think about it, it's not really a merger. It's just a buyout of a company that was going to go under, regardless of the situation. It may look like Cingular is gaining a customer base, but all they're really doing is gaining pissed off customers that will still be pissed off once they switch to the same network.
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true.
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As usual, Verizon extreme arrogance.
This is going to be fun to watch as Verizon has to lower prices , come up with 7PM nights, offer moe phones, impliment GSM for international travelers (oh thats right, they already are doing that)....
All this to keep growing. My money is on the underdog, Cheaper technology in the long run to maintain and upkeep after the network is built out. No nasty licenscing fees to Qualcom to keep prices and margins up. No flea market phones like Audiovox and Kyocera,,,,who?
Its going to be fun walking into a Verizon store and see what they say then. Well were still testing our new phones and network...here read this JD Powers rating, they spoke to 100 people and said we were the best (of the worst). "hey ...
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This is going to be fun to watch as Verizon has to lower prices , come up with 7PM nights, offer moe phones, impliment GSM for international travelers (oh thats right, they already are doing that)....
All this to keep growing. My money is on the underdog, Cheaper technology in the long run to maintain and upkeep after the network is built out. No nasty licenscing fees to Qualcom to keep prices and margins up. No flea market phones like Audiovox and Kyocera,,,,who?
Its going to be fun walking into a Verizon store and see what they say then. Well were still testing our new phones and network...here read this JD Powers rating, they spoke to 100 people and said we were the best (of the worst). "hey ...
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As usual, Verizon extreme arrogance.
This is going to be fun to watch as Verizon has to lower prices , come up with 7PM nights, offer moe phones, impliment GSM for international travelers (oh thats right, they already are doing that)....
All this to keep growing. My money is on the underdog, Cheaper technology in the long run to maintain and upkeep after the network is built out. No nasty licenscing fees to Qualcom to keep prices and margins up. No flea market phones like Audiovox and Kyocera,,,,who?
Its going to be fun walking into a Verizon store and see what they say then. Well were still testing our new phones and network...here read this JD Powers rating, they spoke to 100 people and said w
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No you are not...and Cingular is banking on that attitude from Verizon field Sales. Don't be scared at all. Scared people take action. That is the last thing Cingular wants you guys to do.
So no you are not scared and should never be!
So no you are not scared and should never be!
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Genius, it was never ABOUT customer base! It was about expanding our network and gaining spectrum, which we will do in spades.
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phonepimp3376 said:
Genius, it was never ABOUT customer base! It was about expanding our network and gaining spectrum, which we will do in spades.
megring with AT&T? that's not saying much considering they are the lowest rated, gain the least amount of customers, and have the highest churn rate.
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And have a huge amount of coverage, international holdings, and a damned nice little B2B business. We on the other hand, have already awesome coverage, gain customers steadily, are cutting churn, raising revenues and ARPU, and kicking dat azz in rate plans and value.
Post merger, we will possess the LARGEST coverage in America... even larger than VZW. We will have the spectrum to expand 3GSM services even faster. We will already have the lock on better phones people want. We will have the marketing savvy to parlay that HUGE network into what it is... your worst nightmare.
Welcome to the jungle, baby....you're gonna diiiiiiieieeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Post merger, we will possess the LARGEST coverage in America... even larger than VZW. We will have the spectrum to expand 3GSM services even faster. We will already have the lock on better phones people want. We will have the marketing savvy to parlay that HUGE network into what it is... your worst nightmare.
Welcome to the jungle, baby....you're gonna diiiiiiieieeeeeeeeeeeeee!
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But you just go ahead and keep underestimating us... we'll just giggle our butts off as we blow your doors off.
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What doors exactly are you threatening to blow off...are we going to need to call the cops????
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NAh....we'll just look up that guy in North Dakota... he's already got a history...lol
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No way, in my area, Cingulars network is much stronger than AT&T, and many of the customers that have come into my store are happy about the merger.
This merger is a good thing, and when Cingular reaches the customer base that Verizon has maybe you guys will be humbled a bit.
This merger is a good thing, and when Cingular reaches the customer base that Verizon has maybe you guys will be humbled a bit.
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As an ATT TDMA customer for years I was only to happy to hear of the merger. I activated with Cingular because after choosing GSM. I would still have the best if now ATT AND Cingular.
I do believe Cingular has everything to gain where as Verizon has something to lose in slower growth.
I do believe Cingular has everything to gain where as Verizon has something to lose in slower growth.
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Actually, 100 percent, those customers will NOT be released. We OWN the contracts. The T&C will not change, so not release has to be offered. Educate yourself before you spout garbage, will ya?
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phonepimp3376 said:
Actually, 100 percent, those customers will NOT be released. We OWN the contracts. The T&C will not change, so not release has to be offered. Educate yourself before you spout garbage, will ya?
Well, it was one of those rumors that float around. I heard the same thing that 100percent did.. just a rumor i guess
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You were HOPING they would be... but ATTWS has a nice little transfer clause in their contracts.
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phonepimp3376 said:
You were HOPING they would be... but ATTWS has a nice little transfer clause in their contracts.
doesnt really make a difference. i'm not losing any sleep over it
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phonepimp3376 said:
You were HOPING they would be... but ATTWS has a nice little transfer clause in their contracts.
Let me as kyou a question about that PP...Say you got a a disgruntled ex-Cingular who moved to AT&T to get away from you...if they fight tooth and nail cause they absolutely do not want to be with Cingular again...do you think Cingular would let them out of their service agreement?
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phonepimp no we will not lket any AT&T customer out of contract just because they are being bought out. primeco customers in chicago did not get out of thir contract because they became part of us cellular. Also voicestream customers did not get out of their contracts just because it became t-mobile. Ameritech celluar customers did not get out of their contracts becuase they became verizon customers. People are not going to get out of their contracts sorry to bad so sad ha ha.
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MArcus, I understand what you are saying. I have posted the same info here before, including the clause in AWE's contract that allows us to take over without offering a 30 day out.
I didn't say we would let all of them out. I said that we would release them in the situation described. They would pay the ETF most likely, but they could get out.
I didn't say we would let all of them out. I said that we would release them in the situation described. They would pay the ETF most likely, but they could get out.
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They will have to pay their ETF. I know you posted the same information that I did. But I just wanted to make sure there is no confusion what so ever because me in customer service will deal with that confusion. Customers in cellular are already confused enough and Verizon employees on this board don't seem to understand that they will not raid our customer base because of the merger.
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kingfrog77 said:
Verizon knows this as it is now attempting three year contracts to buy itself time to deal with the recent threat.
I dont know about your area but you're spewing a bunch of BS if you're referring to California since 2 years is the maximum contract you can have
nice try though 😁
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Fact of the matter is, the customers are more educated and they still make VZW the overwhelming first choice. VZW has done the best job in the industry of causing name recognition. I don't think I've ever heard any references to a Cingular slogan in a movie like I heard in Denzel Washington's movie out of time. Like I've said before, VZW is on top. If all we have to do is change the start time of our nights and weekends or adjust a few rate plan prices to get on top, doesn't that mean we are still the leader? Hands down, if you polled the people that really know, I bet the majority would say that VZW suits their needs the best. Or fits them best. Or something like that.
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For now... but remember, no one came close to VZW in coverage just a year or two ago. Not true anymore. GSM is a very popular technology, but the coverage wasn't there. NOW IT IS.
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That's true. We keep making our coverage better. If customer's decide that price is their biggest concern...which they haven't as of yet...we can make the necessary changes to maintain the lead without doing anything drastic or extremely costly.
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People are willing to pay a premium for something no one else has. For a long time VZW's higher price was offset by their dominant coverage. People lived with poor handset selections, delays on new phones, higher prices and the most problematic phones in wireless because they could make a call damn near anywhere.
Now that GSM coverage is approaching VZW's size, is just as reliable, has better and more handset selections and calling area isn't an issue, I am sure you will eventually see a turn towards GSM. Not that GSM is any slouch in the US now.
Now that GSM coverage is approaching VZW's size, is just as reliable, has better and more handset selections and calling area isn't an issue, I am sure you will eventually see a turn towards GSM. Not that GSM is any slouch in the US now.
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I agree with that as well.But wouldn't we see more adds for Cingular with their vaunted rollover and with the network upgrades by now? It's been a while and VZW keeps on chugging. Also, consider this...VZW doesn't have clearpay or smart access like sprint and tmobile respectively have for credit challenged customers. If VZW wasn' that picky,they would demolish the industry.
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The AWE buyout isn't complete yet, so there are very strict guidelines we have to follow, or we could jeopardize the whole thing. For now, we have to compete against AWE, until the FCC and DoJ finish their reviews.
So as of now, we have to keep things business as usual. Once the buyout is approved and we begin integration, THAT will be a different story.
So as of now, we have to keep things business as usual. Once the buyout is approved and we begin integration, THAT will be a different story.
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We BOUGHT AWE for 41 BILLION, moron... lock stock and barrel... the only MERGE is we add their FORMER network to our own. The ATTWS name reverts to ATT Corp. The combined company will be called CINGULAR. We will own the network, the contracts, the infrastructure, the billing systems, EVERYTHING.
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41 bill...blah blah blah why dont you stfu if it was a "buyout" like you say then i guess all the att customer would not be att customers they would be yours and alot of ppl do not like your damn company and would leave do you not think that the owners have thought about that and are making it a merge instead of "buyout" or are you just to stupid to think about that kind of marketing stuff?
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canadiantin said:
41 bill...blah blah blah why dont you stfu if it was a "buyout" like you say then i guess all the att customer would not be att customers they would be yours and alot of ppl do not like your damn company and would leave do you not think that the owners have thought about that and are making it a merge instead of "buyout" or are you just to stupid to think about that kind of marketing stuff?
was that one sentence? 😲
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phonepimp3376 said:
We BOUGHT AWE for 41 BILLION, moron... lock stock and barrel... the only MERGE is we add their FORMER network to our own. The ATTWS name reverts to ATT Corp. The combined company will be called CINGULAR. We will own the network, the contracts, the infrastructure, the billing systems, EVERYTHING.
yep. phonepimp is right. 🙄
It's a buyout. Cingular bought ATT for several reasons. One of the main reasons was the downward spiral ATT was heading before Cingular made the purchase. (losing over 300,000 customers in one quarter is a great example of this 🤣 )
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Thats all I have been saying all along and getting lambasted for it. I am just a lowly customer who did more research than most when choosing a service.
It does not take a Nostradamous or brain surgeon to understan why Verizon has been in the forefront, but will not stay there very much longer....
It does not take a Nostradamous or brain surgeon to understan why Verizon has been in the forefront, but will not stay there very much longer....
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I have to agree with that, I was expecting them to do far worse that they did even last quarter. Still, 15,000 adds isn't that much progress. Cingular isn't posting the strongest of numbers either, given that they appear to have a decent network and reasonable plans.
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A buddy of mine works for AT&T at the Redmond, WA campus and says it is total hell there. There is no morale and everyone is pissed off and miserable- I'm sure it is having a impact on their customer service. Well at least they didn't lose 300,000+ customers like they did in the 1st Qtr.
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AT&t-15,000
Cingular-let's just round it to 500,000 to give you the benefit of the doubt
Verizon-1.4 million
What does this mean? To the average person, nothing. To the Cingular reps, it means that you can talk all the crap that you want, but the bottom line is that it comes down to numbers. Open your eyes, know the facts, and accept the fact that Verizon is the best.
Cingular-let's just round it to 500,000 to give you the benefit of the doubt
Verizon-1.4 million
What does this mean? To the average person, nothing. To the Cingular reps, it means that you can talk all the crap that you want, but the bottom line is that it comes down to numbers. Open your eyes, know the facts, and accept the fact that Verizon is the best.
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TheVZWMan said:
Net gain of 15,000 customers nationwide...I guess thats a lot better than the -367,000 from last quarter...all I have to say you guys is good luck with the merger...but right now it's not lookin too good
yea 15,000 gross adds for the entire company.
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so lets see here. Cingular had 400,000 new customers, plus AT&T's whopping 15,000, plus Sprint PCS's 400,000, plus T-Mobile's 2-300,000... add them all and how many new customers did all of these wireless carriers have together? about 1.1 million...
how many new customers did Verizon Wireless gain all by itself you ask?
1.4 million.. more than every other wireless carrier in this country combined.. just thou...
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85percent said:...TheVZWMan said:
Net gain of 15,000 customers nationwide...I guess thats a lot better than the -367,000 from last quarter...all I have to say you guys is good luck with the merger...but right now it's not lookin too good
yea 15,000 gross adds for the entire company.
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so lets see here. Cingular had 400,000 new customers, plus AT&T's whopping 15,000, plus Sprint PCS's 400,000, plus T-Mobile's 2-300,000... add them all and how many new customers did all of these wireless carriers have together? about 1.1 million...
how many new customers did Verizon Wireless gain all by itself you ask?
1.4 million.. more than every other wireless carrier in this
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Who gives a rip. You act like it's money in you're pocket. They're just as likely to cut your job to post a gain this quarter.
Sure Verizon has better coverage, everyone knows that. If you were the evil empire, and had bought most of the 20 year old cell companies and were using their network to patch the holes in your digital network, then you'd have good coverage too. Unfortunately, ATTWS, Cingular, Sprint and T-Mobile don't happen to be formed from the mergers of old cell companies or spun off from a merge of two of the baby bells.
The thing I don't get is why Verizon has to charge so much. I suppose it's their roots in the Bell System.
Sure Verizon has better coverage, everyone knows that. If you were the evil empire, and had bought most of the 20 year old cell companies and were using their network to patch the holes in your digital network, then you'd have good coverage too. Unfortunately, ATTWS, Cingular, Sprint and T-Mobile don't happen to be formed from the mergers of old cell companies or spun off from a merge of two of the baby bells.
The thing I don't get is why Verizon has to charge so much. I suppose it's their roots in the Bell System.
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Cingular not formed from old cell companies and Baby Bells? Have you lost your MIND? 11 Cell Companies from 2 Bells formed Cingular.
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Okay, I got it half right, Cingular is formed from old cell companies, but not from a merger of 2 baby bells. Cingular is owned by two baby bells. Verizon is the merger of 2 baby bells.
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lilgabe1 said:
Does anyone know the results of any other carriers?
Verizon gained around 1.4 million customers
Cingular gained around 450,000 customers
ATT gained around 15,000 customers
T-Mobile i think gained around 200,000 customers?
Nextel i think gained around 100,000 customers?
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Oh no. Tmobile does near VZW numbers. They are creeping up on people. I think your VZW numbers are close. They are announced soon.
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lilgabe1 said:
Oh no. Tmobile does near VZW numbers. They are creeping up on people. I think your VZW numbers are close. They are announced soon.
hmmm.. no i dont think T-Mo is near VZW's 1.4 million.. i forgot how many T-Mo gained last quarter, but i'm pretty sure it wasnt near a million..
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lilgabe1 said:
Last quarter they did do like 1.4 million, I assure you
who didnt? VZW? yea it was around 1.3-1.4 million
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Tmobile did like 1.1 million, I saw it in rcr wireless when they released it. They had a fantastic quarter. I still hate them though.
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