Fewest Dropped Calls.
http://www.cingular.com/enhancedNetwork »
There's the link. Cingular can't easily say something without it being true. They would be sued out the ass.
Believe it.
There's the link. Cingular can't easily say something without it being true. They would be sued out the ass.
Believe it.
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maybe so Ruff, but it is still somewhat vague.....what independent group, in what markets, in what areas? I know jd power says no. consumer reports says no. It's a smart move by Cingular to advertise it the way they did, but I would need more details to "believe it."
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I posted the details in the Verizon forum. They're not hard to find if you just google the matter. Is it really that hard for a Verizon "fan" to look up a link before they start attacking a thread on credibility? Everybody demands to see links but they can't take the initiative to find it for themselves. If they were so interested in knowing more information, they should do it themselves.
But as nobody is willing to do that...
The drive tests were conducted by Telephia, an independent wireless research company.
Drive tests were conducted in 290 US markets across the country, covering approximately 88% of the US population.
1.5 million calls were placed among the top carriers (Cingular, Verizon, Sprint, Nextel, T-Mobile) and t...
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The drive tests were conducted by Telephia, an independent wireless research company.
Drive tests were conducted in 290 US markets across the country, covering approximately 88% of the US population.
1.5 million calls were placed among the top carriers (Cingular, Verizon, Sprint, Nextel, T-Mobile) and t...
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not a fan man.....and not attacking the credibility.....just saying that I would need more info before I believed it. By no means do I doubt you Ruff. I actually respect your opinion most of the time because you make good points. thanks for the copy and paste.
just as a footnote: I have no qualms with Cingular, Tmobile, Sprintel, etc. I'm not a vzw fan either. I do have VzW, so I take more interest in it, but I could really give a crap who's on top or bottom, so long as we all know that Metro PCS is some ghetto-ass s.hit.
just as a footnote: I have no qualms with Cingular, Tmobile, Sprintel, etc. I'm not a vzw fan either. I do have VzW, so I take more interest in it, but I could really give a crap who's on top or bottom, so long as we all know that Metro PCS is some ghetto-ass s.hit.
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not a fan man.....and not attacking the credibility.....just saying that I would need more info before I believed it. By no means do I doubt you Ruff. I actually respect your opinion most of the time because you make good points. thanks for the copy and paste.
Well thank you, and for the record, my intention wasn't to call you a Verizon fan. No disrespect. I was speaking in a generality that there are real Verizon "fans" that come in calling any and all claims that are positive about Cingular bullshit, and then demand links. If those people feel so strongly about it, then they should look it up for themselves.
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just as a footnote: I have
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I kinda agree with your questioning this dj. I've never hear of this "Telephia". I wondered myself if they weren't just "experts for hire". Just like attorneys do for court cases, you can always find an "expert" to say whatever you need him/her to say. JD Powers and Consumer Reports both have solid reputations and are well-known so I wish Cingular could find a way to do better on their rating systems.
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I have been in this industry for 14 years and have heard of telephia since 1999. Back then they were rating Airtouch well in Southern CA.
No offense to all the 6 month veterens in here, but just because YOU haven't heard of them doesn't mean they have not been around for quite a while.
No offense to all the 6 month veterens in here, but just because YOU haven't heard of them doesn't mean they have not been around for quite a while.
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Funny how convenient it was for you to mention 1999, since lo and behold -- there it is right there on Telephia's website that they've been around since 1999. http://www.telephia.com/about.htm 🙄
Regardless -- my point was just that nobody has heard of them. So what if hacks like you supposedly know about Telephia -- what really matters is who the average wireless consumer trusts.
Regardless -- my point was just that nobody has heard of them. So what if hacks like you supposedly know about Telephia -- what really matters is who the average wireless consumer trusts.
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Do me a favor and do a forum search on "Telephia."
Better yet, do a forum search on "Telephia PhonePimp."
People have known about Telephia. I can remember PhonePimp constantly referring to the results that he received in his market two years ago!
Telephia is definitely not an unknown company. If you work in the wireless industry, you should know about it. Heck, I don't even work in the wireless industry and I know about it.
https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »
Better yet, do a forum search on "Telephia PhonePimp."
People have known about Telephia. I can remember PhonePimp constantly referring to the results that he received in his market two years ago!
Telephia is definitely not an unknown company. If you work in the wireless industry, you should know about it. Heck, I don't even work in the wireless industry and I know about it.
https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »
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To me it seems like they are just experts for hire so I don't know that those results are much to brag about. Cingular laid down the cash and got the results the Cingular execs knew they needed to counter lagging J.D. Power ratings. 😳
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elisjourney said:
To me it seems like they are just experts for hire so I don't know that those results are much to brag about. Cingular laid down the cash and got the results the Cingular execs knew they needed to counter lagging J.D. Power ratings. 😳
Denial at its best!
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OK, so using your logic
Airtouch bought their good ratings in the past, and so has every OTHER carrier since they are hired guns for good ratings?
Is that correct?
Please enlighten us. ALL others who ever received good ratings from Telephia bought them, is that correct?
Nobody has heard of them? Seems quite a few have heard of them. Nice generalization.
Airtouch bought their good ratings in the past, and so has every OTHER carrier since they are hired guns for good ratings?
Is that correct?
Please enlighten us. ALL others who ever received good ratings from Telephia bought them, is that correct?
Nobody has heard of them? Seems quite a few have heard of them. Nice generalization.
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I have a cingular razr,a verizon e815 and an i836. I live in long Island, NY.The cingular drops the most calls.It's not that many and its on the road while driving.I travel to NJ every 2 weeks and the verizon will not drop the call all the way into West Orange,NJ. The cingular will drop 3-4 times.The nextel is always different, Ive gone as little as 1 drop to 5-6 in the past.
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"A leading research company"???
Thats bad. That is the same as people reading testimonials. It is the least reliable source. Everyone can sit there and say what they want and surveys can be made to MAKE people say what the researchers wants to hear.
Thats bad. That is the same as people reading testimonials. It is the least reliable source. Everyone can sit there and say what they want and surveys can be made to MAKE people say what the researchers wants to hear.
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carlsberg said:
"A leading research company"???
Thats bad. That is the same as people reading testimonials. It is the least reliable source. Everyone can sit there and say what they want and surveys can be made to MAKE people say what the researchers wants to hear.
It wasn't a survey! It was a drive test. Consumer Reports and JD Power are surveys! There goes their credibility... 🙄
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By the way, the leading research company was Telephia. Telephia=drive tests.
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I think there's a bunch of people who don't know the meaning of the term "drive test". I will admit I don't know. I assume they are going around and actually testing call quality in various areas, but I don't know. Can someone clarify for those of us who haven't been in the industry that long?
Oh and by the way, I've been in cell phones for roughly 3 years, consider myself a relative newbie to the industry, and even I have heard of Telephia.
Oh and by the way, I've been in cell phones for roughly 3 years, consider myself a relative newbie to the industry, and even I have heard of Telephia.
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A drive test is performed by driving (hence drive test) vehicles equipped with special technology through various metro and suburban areas and along major roads and highways throughout the country.
Each vehicle is equipped with x amount of phones from each provider and computer equipment that is used to place and record z amount of calls on each phone. The computer technology in the vehicles then record how many calls are placed with each phone, how many of those calls are dropped, never connected, or experience other issues that are common amongst wireless phones.
Phones for each company place the same amount of calls and the results are then calculated after the data from the drive tests are collected.
The results are then ...
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Each vehicle is equipped with x amount of phones from each provider and computer equipment that is used to place and record z amount of calls on each phone. The computer technology in the vehicles then record how many calls are placed with each phone, how many of those calls are dropped, never connected, or experience other issues that are common amongst wireless phones.
Phones for each company place the same amount of calls and the results are then calculated after the data from the drive tests are collected.
The results are then ...
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Sure helped me, thanks Ruff. I figured it was something like a driving around sort of thing, but had no idea it was so thorough.
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hey i am an independant and i say that cingular has the most dropped calls. So there make a commercial out of that.
And for a solid source, check out JD Powers and Consumer Reports. They both say Cingular sucks.
Thank you.
And for a solid source, check out JD Powers and Consumer Reports. They both say Cingular sucks.
Thank you.
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Ruff not to start a crazy flame war but I vaguely remember you going off on me when I posted similar information about how bad verizon was kicking cingy's a$$ in consumer reports and J.D. power. So do you believe these tests or don't you?? If so then you will still see that J.D. power and consumer reports still rank verizon better in every category in every single region of the country! Now I don't know about you but if I was to take a poll on who would people trust more in giving an accurate assessment of wireless carriers I'm betting they would say J.D. and consumer. So now I'm sure every carrier pays some run of the mill company big money to do some sort of independent research as there are a lot of companies out there that do fly by nig...
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Surveys are opinion.
Drive tests are factual data.
Both can be manipulated.
But I'll put my money on the drive tests any day.
Drive tests are factual data.
Both can be manipulated.
But I'll put my money on the drive tests any day.
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Not to be the bearer of bad news But US Cellular kick Cigy's A$$ and Verizons A$$!!
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unfortunately drive tests paid for by the comapany that is using there results is not exactly factual.
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Verizon pays for their own drive tests because they are internally performed. So are you telling me that their "best network" claim is not based on factual data either?
You need to change your handle to twistedlogic.
You need to change your handle to twistedlogic.
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they can claim there best network on 2 independent companies that are NOT paid for by verizon unlike cingular. Remember J.D. and Consumer both say verizon is the better carrier and by a large margin at that. So when one of those two companies which are highly respected but of course probably not to you because they seem to always play down your favorite carrier, when they come out and say, here it is cingular has proven to be a real carrier then more people will respect it! And no as far as independent studies paid for by verizon damn right thats all BullSH$$ too just like telephia is for cingy, the truth is in the independent UNPAID for by cingular or verizon studies, but we already know who always wins those studies don't we??? maybe your ...
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Funny, neither JD or Consumer said that Verizon has the best network. They seemed to have tied with T-Mobile. So should Verizon now make the claim of "We're kinda-sorta the best network because we tied for first"? THEY BASE THEIR CLAIMS ON THEIR OWN INTERNAL TESTING! It says it at any and every Verizon advertisement that mentions anything related to "best network" and you know that.
Like I said in the Verizon forum:
I'm not trying to argue that Cingular is the best, because nobody is the best for everybody.
I just find it extremely funny that Verizon "fans" attempt to attack any and every positive statement that is made about Cingular...even if they're based on factual data.
I like Verizon. I don't have any problems with them...
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Like I said in the Verizon forum:
I'm not trying to argue that Cingular is the best, because nobody is the best for everybody.
I just find it extremely funny that Verizon "fans" attempt to attack any and every positive statement that is made about Cingular...even if they're based on factual data.
I like Verizon. I don't have any problems with them...
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listen there is no denial about anything. Do I think Verizon's paid drive tests are legitamite heck no they are as bias as all the rest I'll be the first to admit it! So what I like many others here in the U.S. do is take the reporting of agencies such as J.D. or Consumer that are NOT paid by the cell carriers for testing. I mean c'mon that makes sense doesn't it? I'm not trying to argue with you about this but I mean if I or anyone else was to constantly put up posts here about every fly by night reporting agency that said one carrier is better than the other don't you think it would be a huge waste of time? I think Cingular KILLS verizon in there phone selection by far!!!! But I think verizon does have better call quality as well as it bei...
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I'm not trying to discredit any of the reports. JD, Consumers, Telephia, Verizon's internal testing...I think they all are beneficial in that they all show the companies where they need to improve. It's all good for the consumer.
Honestly, I don't have any problem with saying that Verizon operates the best network. If that means that my calls are going to connect every time I attempt one, and I get crystal clear audio throughout the duration of the call...sounds like a pretty good network to me.
I also don't have any problem with saying that Cingular operates the network with the fewest dropped calls. If I can hold onto that two hour call with my grandmother to keep her company while I'm on my way to visit her in the hopsital...sou...
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Honestly, I don't have any problem with saying that Verizon operates the best network. If that means that my calls are going to connect every time I attempt one, and I get crystal clear audio throughout the duration of the call...sounds like a pretty good network to me.
I also don't have any problem with saying that Cingular operates the network with the fewest dropped calls. If I can hold onto that two hour call with my grandmother to keep her company while I'm on my way to visit her in the hopsital...sou...
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Sorry for the errors. I accidentally submitted the post before I got a chance to check it over.
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T-Mobile's always been good out here in Central Florida...I used them for about 4 or 5 years since they were voicestream and never had any problems. I did leave them for about 6 months when I switched to Cingular...coverage was ok, but it always said "Cingular Extend" 😳 They were pretty much "piggybacking" off T-Mobile throughout florida at that time (a few years ago)...anyways, they're ok now when it comes to coverage...not a big fan of their billing system though 🙄 Anyways, back to the topic at hand...Telaphia drove around beautiful Orlando and guess who was the best...T-Mobile and Verizon. Guess its all about where you're at, right?
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T-Mobile's always been good out here in Central Florida...I used them for about 4 or 5 years since they were voicestream and never had any problems. I did leave them for about 6 months when I switched to Cingular...coverage was ok, but it always said "Cingular Extend" 😳 They were pretty much "piggybacking" off T-Mobile throughout florida at that time (a few years ago)...anyways, they're ok now when it comes to coverage...not a big fan of their billing system though 🙄 Anyways, back to the topic at hand...Telaphia drove around beautiful Orlando and guess who was the best...T-Mobile and Verizon. Guess its all about where you're at, right?
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They don't base their "Best Network" claim on either of those companies, they base on it their own internal data. It is in their ads!?!
And as far as winning those "unbiased" studies?
T-Mobile is doing better than either.
And as far as winning those "unbiased" studies?
T-Mobile is doing better than either.
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You guys sure take a lie and run with it.
So every other carrier to do well in the past bought theirs as well?
Nice logic.
So every other carrier to do well in the past bought theirs as well?
Nice logic.
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here is a link for you if you are such a cingular lifer check this out!!
http://forums.mobiledia.com/topic28511.html
http://forums.mobiledia.com/topic28511.html
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The first thing I read on that link was 2004. That was to years ago...it's 2006 buddy.
Things change, especially when you integrate the second largest and third largest networks together. In 2004 the integration was just underway. Now it's nearly finished.
Things change, especially when you integrate the second largest and third largest networks together. In 2004 the integration was just underway. Now it's nearly finished.
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show me updated info. and I will believe you. That is the most recent data available so I as the consumer hold this to still be true, because without any evidence to support your claims this is all I have!!! 😁 I'm sorry your company sucks!!
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Well no Verizon "fan" wants to believe any of the updated information that has been posted aplenty in this forum. So believe outdated information if you wish.
My company? I'm sorry...I don't work for Cingular.
My company? I'm sorry...I don't work for Cingular.
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well I'm going to have to agree with RUFF on this one current and updated information that I have seen has acknowledged that cingular is improving at a fast rate in terms of call quality and coverage. I think they still have some ways to go to be at verizon level but they are definitely real contenders now as opposed to 2 years ago!!!!
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