Raising the Bar - manipulating the signal indicator
This is a theory and I am looking for supporting evidence. Since so much depends on the area you should know that I am in the South Florida area (Miami/Fort Lauderdale/West Palm Beach).
I think Cingular Wireless has been manipulating the signal indicator in an effort to support their "Raising the Bar" campaign. My phone almost always has a full strength indicator even when my signal is weak and I am dropping calls.
I have had poor reception while talking to land line phones and my signal indicator was full strength. I have seen the signal indicator fluctuate, but I suspect that the fluctuation is part of the scheme -no one would believe they actually had full signal all of the time.
I think Cingular Wireless has been manipulating the signal indicator in an effort to support their "Raising the Bar" campaign. My phone almost always has a full strength indicator even when my signal is weak and I am dropping calls.
I have had poor reception while talking to land line phones and my signal indicator was full strength. I have seen the signal indicator fluctuate, but I suspect that the fluctuation is part of the scheme -no one would believe they actually had full signal all of the time.
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As with any wireless service, if you know you're near a tower that Cingular is on, then you should get full signal bars, regardless of phone. I don't know what phone you have, but from what people have told me, LG & Motorola seems to not always handle weak signal areas that well. I don't know how true that is on Cingular since I have never used Cingular, and when my mom & sister were with Cingular 4 years ago, they always owned Nokia phones. Also if you're in an area with overlapping coverage, then your signal strength will fluctuate. I always get that with Verizon Wireless in certain areas of NW Indiana. As for Cingular, Cingular has never had any problems signal wise, before, or after the AT&T merger. I know some people who've had Ci...
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dave73 said:...
As with any wireless service, if you know you're near a tower that Cingular is on, then you should get full signal bars, regardless of phone. I don't know what phone you have, but from what people have told me, LG & Motorola seems to not always handle weak signal areas that well. I don't know how true that is on Cingular since I have never used Cingular, and when my mom & sister were with Cingular 4 years ago, they always owned Nokia phones. Also if you're in an area with overlapping coverage, then your signal strength will fluctuate. I always get that with Verizon Wireless in certain areas of NW Indiana. As for Cingular, Cingular has never had any problems signal wise, before, or after the AT&T merger.
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SForsyth01 said:GSM/TDMA service is all dependant upon the numbers of users attached to a tower at a given time.
Cite please. I've never heard this excuse before.
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littlefuzzbear said:SForsyth01 said:GSM/TDMA service is all dependant upon the numbers of users attached to a tower at a given time.
Cite please. I've never heard this excuse before.
Here ya go:
https://www.phonescoop.com/glossary/term.php?gid=9 »
The more "turns" being taken simultaneously on a tower leads to lower signal strength.
http://phonearena.com/htmls/terms.php?define=GSM »
That is another definition that shows how many users can be accessing a tower at a given time without sacrificing signal.
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SForsyth01 said:littlefuzzbear said:SForsyth01 said:GSM/TDMA service is all dependant upon the numbers of users attached to a tower at a given time.
Cite please. I've never heard this excuse before.
Here ya go:
https://www.phonescoop.com/glossary/term.php?gid=9 »
The more "turns" being taken simultaneously on a tower leads to lower signal strength.
http://phonearena.com/htmls/terms.php?define=GSM »
That is another definition that shows how many users can be accessing a tower at a given time without sacrificing signal.
Niether of the links you provided says anything about signal strength being less because of more people acces...
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littlefuzzbear said:...SForsyth01 said:littlefuzzbear said:SForsyth01 said:GSM/TDMA service is all dependant upon the numbers of users attached to a tower at a given time.
Cite please. I've never heard this excuse before.
Here ya go:
https://www.phonescoop.com/glossary/term.php?gid=9 »
The more "turns" being taken simultaneously on a tower leads to lower signal strength.
http://phonearena.com/htmls/terms.php?define=GSM »
That is another definition that shows how many users can be accessing a tower at a given time without sacrificing signal.
Niether of the links you provided says anything about signal strengt
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SForsyth01 said:...littlefuzzbear said:SForsyth01 said:littlefuzzbear said:SForsyth01 said:GSM/TDMA service is all dependant upon the numbers of users attached to a tower at a given time.
Cite please. I've never heard this excuse before.
Here ya go:
https://www.phonescoop.com/glossary/term.php?gid=9 »
The more "turns" being taken simultaneously on a tower leads to lower signal strength.
http://phonearena.com/htmls/terms.php?define=GSM »
That is another definition that shows how many users can be accessing a tower at a given time without sacrificing signal.
Niether of the links you provid
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littlefuzzbear, I must say that although SForsyth01 and others seem to know something about the technology of GSM your explanation makes perfect sense given my results.
If the signal strength is constant even if the tower is serving maximum customers then it would be understandable that I would have fluctuations in actual signal quality even if my signal indicator shows full strength. This is contrary to how some here have insisted that the technology works.
I do thank you for your reply and I am sorry that SForsyth01 was so rude.
If the signal strength is constant even if the tower is serving maximum customers then it would be understandable that I would have fluctuations in actual signal quality even if my signal indicator shows full strength. This is contrary to how some here have insisted that the technology works.
I do thank you for your reply and I am sorry that SForsyth01 was so rude.
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Another thing you guys may not have thought about is the phone registration itself. Phones have to recieve periodic updates from the towers to tell them which ones are "live." If the phone misses an update, it may still be trying to connect to a tower that is being worked on or the phone might not know that the tower you are standing by is up and running. In which case, the phone would be connecting to the tower down the street rather then the one you are standing by.
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littlefuzzbear said:...SForsyth01 said:littlefuzzbear said:SForsyth01 said:littlefuzzbear said:SForsyth01 said:GSM/TDMA service is all dependant upon the numbers of users attached to a tower at a given time.
Cite please. I've never heard this excuse before.
Here ya go:
https://www.phonescoop.com/glossary/term.php?gid=9 »
The more "turns" being taken simultaneously on a tower leads to lower signal strength.
http://phonearena.com/htmls/terms.php?define=GSM »
That is another definition that shows how many users can be accessing a tower at a given time without sacrificing signal.
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littlefuzzbear said:SForsyth01 said:GSM/TDMA service is all dependant upon the numbers of users attached to a tower at a given time.
Cite please. I've never heard this excuse before.
The number of users does not change the signal strength. It determines call completion rates. The closer you are to the tower does increase your chances of successful call completion assuming that there is sufficient spectrum to handle the volume of users...
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SForsyth01,
I am sure one can be right next to a tower and not have a signal due to the number of users of phones in the area. What is not clear is whether the signal indicator on my phone would indicate this.
I am sure one can be right next to a tower and not have a signal due to the number of users of phones in the area. What is not clear is whether the signal indicator on my phone would indicate this.
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SmileyBri said:
SForsyth01,
I am sure one can be right next to a tower and not have a signal due to the number of users of phones in the area. What is not clear is whether the signal indicator on my phone would indicate this.
It should, unless there is a problem with your phone. But what you should see is a constant jumping in signal from 5 to none and anywhere in between. If you are not seeing this, there is a problem with the phone, not the network. Cingular, as a company, does not have time to manipulate signal as you accuse them of. They are lucky they can get the entire network to work at the same time (and that is the same for ANY carrier).
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SForsyth01,
It is not an accusation, but a theory. You can't know that Cingular does not do this. Many here have called me crazy for this thread, but I think you are crazy for trusting that Cingular is not doing this.
It ain't my phone. And it ain't just happening to me.
It is not an accusation, but a theory. You can't know that Cingular does not do this. Many here have called me crazy for this thread, but I think you are crazy for trusting that Cingular is not doing this.
It ain't my phone. And it ain't just happening to me.
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SmileyBri said:
SForsyth01,
It is not an accusation, but a theory. You can't know that Cingular does not do this. Many here have called me crazy for this thread, but I think you are crazy for trusting that Cingular is not doing this.
It ain't my phone. And it ain't just happening to me.
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SmileyBri said:
SForsyth01,
It is not an accusation, but a theory. You can't know that Cingular does not do this. Many here have called me crazy for this thread, but I think you are crazy for trusting that Cingular is not doing this.
It ain't my phone. And it ain't just happening to me.
Hi long time reader, first time responder.I can tell you a couple of things about the indicator on your phone.With yourphone that indicator simply tells you indication of how strong the tower you are nearest to is giving off. With that aside its not an accurate description of the reception you get.
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Hate to break this to ya, but your signal strength is not based on how many users are on a particular site. Whether you can make a call or not will be dependent on how many users are on a site and how many channel elements are being used up. Whether by voice calls, or by data.
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And i invented the cell phone, but the brain implant the government put my head stole the idea before i got it patented. 😉 Some one sounds a little paranoid.
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Dont worry I dont think its Cingular's grand master plan to trick you into thinking you have signal when you dont. Ill keep an eye out for anything suspicous. In the mean time im going to be hiding under my desk. Charlie's all over the place and I left my gun's at home.
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😲 i thought me and sigman had this one covered. 😲 ! loks like were gonna have to kill you befor this gets out to any more folks. 👿
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God! I'm so tempted to throw in a conspiracy theory joke!!! Nah,tTake the phone to a Cingy store and share that tidbit with them....
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GSM coverage can actually fluctuate based on how many users are actually using your same site. The area can expand or contract based on the power consumption. Also, depending on market, Cingular will mess with the downlink and uplink of the radio to produce more capacity.
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To: freedomrep, i can here me now, Kiafice, sowhatsowhat10, dca
It is nice that you found humor in my theory, but I have to conclude that their signal indicator is worthless regardless of any deliberate attempt to manipulate.
The topic deserves more than what any of you have contributed.
Do you have Cingular? IN what area? Do you have a different experience with youe signal indicator?
It is nice that you found humor in my theory, but I have to conclude that their signal indicator is worthless regardless of any deliberate attempt to manipulate.
The topic deserves more than what any of you have contributed.
Do you have Cingular? IN what area? Do you have a different experience with youe signal indicator?
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yes i do in pa. your phone is most likely indicating wrong signal strength. my nokia would do it all the time. i'd have 8 of 8 bars make a call and still be standing in the same spot and drop to 3 or 4 while on call. more than likely it your damn phone.
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btw no one definatitly cingular is trying to manipulate YOU. there are millions of cingular customers in your area and if everyone had the same issue as you cingular would have been on it.
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No, I don't think so. And I know it is not my phone because when I put my T-mobile sim in it the signal indicator acts correctly.
I understand that you TRUST Cingular Wireless to never do anything like that. I think i have enough evidence of it that it is true or I wouldn't have posted it.
In my local area here I can confirm that on multiple Cingular Wireless accounts the signal indicator is worthless. It seems to always be at full strength even though calls are missed and dropped. I can have very bad reception talking to someone on a land line and have bad static until the call was lost. The whole time I showed a full signal.
I can repeat this in certain areas where Cingular has bad coverage I-95 between I-595 and Broward Blvd.
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I understand that you TRUST Cingular Wireless to never do anything like that. I think i have enough evidence of it that it is true or I wouldn't have posted it.
In my local area here I can confirm that on multiple Cingular Wireless accounts the signal indicator is worthless. It seems to always be at full strength even though calls are missed and dropped. I can have very bad reception talking to someone on a land line and have bad static until the call was lost. The whole time I showed a full signal.
I can repeat this in certain areas where Cingular has bad coverage I-95 between I-595 and Broward Blvd.
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ok please disregard my last post YOU ARE THE SECOND SHOOTER ON THE GRASSY KNOLL! 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
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Still sticking to my original reply: go to a Cingy store. In central Florida, my wife had Cingy for seven years (up until making her switch). Any problems she'd ever encountered were phone-based... The last phone she had before switching was a Sammy x427, started off great. Best phone she ever had, after about a year, it started to act funny... Dropped calls in what were normally great areas and with full bars that funny distortion of voice thing occassionally....
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have you tried contacting the manufacturor of your phone? sometimes they might know something that the tech at the phone company don't. just tell them that you have a cingular and tmobile sim and the phone works properly with the tmobile sim and improperly with the cingular sim. see how they respond. maybe its a sim issue? i would believe that when the phone displays signal strength, it calculates on its own how well it can comunicate with the cell tower. i don't think that the cell tower tell phones in its area what signal strength to display.
you also need to assume that you are communicating with the same cell tower for both cingular and tmobile.
you also need to assume that you are communicating with the same cell tower for both cingular and tmobile.
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SmileyBri said:...
No, I don't think so. And I know it is not my phone because when I put my T-mobile sim in it the signal indicator acts correctly.
I understand that you TRUST Cingular Wireless to never do anything like that. I think i have enough evidence of it that it is true or I wouldn't have posted it.
In my local area here I can confirm that on multiple Cingular Wireless accounts the signal indicator is worthless. It seems to always be at full strength even though calls are missed and dropped. I can have very bad reception talking to someone on a land line and have bad static until the call was lost. The whole time I showed a full signal.
I can repeat this in certain areas where Cingular has bad coverage I-95
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okay and the network there on t-mobile is any better than cingulars. 🙄 😛 .
if there was ANY and i mean ANY way to show you or indicate over the air you had 5 of 5 bars when you actually don't then i'm 900% SURE cingular would not give you 1 bar service idiot.
let me guess your an at&t customer originally that's upset because you cant keep the plan you signed up for in november of 2004 and now your sammsung x426 (or nokia) is acting up. and you can't get a new phone without converting because you didn't get insurance. and you free everything merger/buyout promo plan can't be transferred either. SO YOUR REALLY MAD! GRRRRRRR..... pulling the t-mobile card doesn't work. in your area EVERYBODY HAS GOOD COVERAGE!
if there was ANY and i mean ANY way to show you or indicate over the air you had 5 of 5 bars when you actually don't then i'm 900% SURE cingular would not give you 1 bar service idiot.
let me guess your an at&t customer originally that's upset because you cant keep the plan you signed up for in november of 2004 and now your sammsung x426 (or nokia) is acting up. and you can't get a new phone without converting because you didn't get insurance. and you free everything merger/buyout promo plan can't be transferred either. SO YOUR REALLY MAD! GRRRRRRR..... pulling the t-mobile card doesn't work. in your area EVERYBODY HAS GOOD COVERAGE!
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And when you put your T-Mobile SIM in your phone it works on T-Mobile, not Cingular.
Get your phone checked out if you aren't happy. Otherwise, ou might try moving this post to the RUMOR forum instead.
Get your phone checked out if you aren't happy. Otherwise, ou might try moving this post to the RUMOR forum instead.
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No I do not have Cingular... And yes I did find humor in your post, a multibillion dollar corp. trying to scam you come on look at how ridiculous you sound. My bet would be that there is something wrong with your phone (maybe) or that you really are the second shooter on the grassy knoll. Anyway, my suggestion is that you go see a tech. (I'm sure he will enjoy the laugh) 🤣
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SmileyBri said:
To: freedomrep, i can here me now, Kiafice, sowhatsowhat10, dca
It is nice that you found humor in my theory, but I have to conclude that their signal indicator is worthless regardless of any deliberate attempt to manipulate.
The topic deserves more than what any of you have contributed.
Do you have Cingular? IN what area? Do you have a different experience with youe signal indicator?
It is nice that you found humor in my theory, but I have to conclude that their signal indicator is worthless regardless of any deliberate attempt to manipulate.....
I find humor in most conspiracy theories. This one I found pretty amusing. I cant speak for everyone but my myself, my coworkers, my ...
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SmileyBri said:
To: freedomrep, i can here me now, Kiafice, sowhatsowhat10, dca
It is nice that you found humor in my theory, but I have to conclude that their signal indicator is worthless regardless of any deliberate attempt to manipulate.
The topic deserves more than what any of you have contributed.
Do you have Cingular? IN what area? Do you have a different experience with youe signal indicator?
The signal strength indicator is something that your phone is responsible for. More often than not, Cingular isn't going to have the ability to "mess" with your signal strenght unless they turn off towers completely. Signal is signal, nothing can really affect that.
As far as your last questions go...
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RUFF1415 said:...SmileyBri said:
To: freedomrep, i can here me now, Kiafice, sowhatsowhat10, dca
It is nice that you found humor in my theory, but I have to conclude that their signal indicator is worthless regardless of any deliberate attempt to manipulate.
The topic deserves more than what any of you have contributed.
Do you have Cingular? IN what area? Do you have a different experience with youe signal indicator?
The signal strength indicator is something that your phone is responsible for. More often than not, Cingular isn't going to have the ability to "mess" with your signal strenght unless they turn off towers completely. Signal is signal, nothing can really affect that.
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SmileyBri said:
This is a theory and I am looking for supporting evidence. Since so much depends on the area you should know that I am in the South Florida area (Miami/Fort Lauderdale/West Palm Beach).
I think Cingular Wireless has been manipulating the signal indicator in an effort to support their "Raising the Bar" campaign. My phone almost always has a full strength indicator even when my signal is weak and I am dropping calls.
I have had poor reception while talking to land line phones and my signal indicator was full strength. I have seen the signal indicator fluctuate, but I suspect that the fluctuation is part of the scheme -no one would believe they actually had full signal all of the time.
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SForsyth01 said:...SmileyBri said:
This is a theory and I am looking for supporting evidence. Since so much depends on the area you should know that I am in the South Florida area (Miami/Fort Lauderdale/West Palm Beach).
I think Cingular Wireless has been manipulating the signal indicator in an effort to support their "Raising the Bar" campaign. My phone almost always has a full strength indicator even when my signal is weak and I am dropping calls.
I have had poor reception while talking to land line phones and my signal indicator was full strength. I have seen the signal indicator fluctuate, but I suspect that the fluctuation is part of the scheme -no one would believe they actually had full sign
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SForsyth01 said:...SmileyBri said:
This is a theory and I am looking for supporting evidence. Since so much depends on the area you should know that I am in the South Florida area (Miami/Fort Lauderdale/West Palm Beach).
I think Cingular Wireless has been manipulating the signal indicator in an effort to support their "Raising the Bar" campaign. My phone almost always has a full strength indicator even when my signal is weak and I am dropping calls.
I have had poor reception while talking to land line phones and my signal indicator was full strength. I have seen the signal indicator fluctuate, but I suspect that the fluctuation is part of the scheme -no one would believe they actually had full sign
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SForsyth01 said:...SmileyBri said:
This is a theory and I am looking for supporting evidence. Since so much depends on the area you should know that I am in the South Florida area (Miami/Fort Lauderdale/West Palm Beach).
I think Cingular Wireless has been manipulating the signal indicator in an effort to support their "Raising the Bar" campaign. My phone almost always has a full strength indicator even when my signal is weak and I am dropping calls.
I have had poor reception while talking to land line phones and my signal indicator was full strength. I have seen the signal indicator fluctuate, but I suspect that the fluctuation is part of the scheme -no one would believe they actually had full sign
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Anxiovert said:...SForsyth01 said:SmileyBri said:
This is a theory and I am looking for supporting evidence. Since so much depends on the area you should know that I am in the South Florida area (Miami/Fort Lauderdale/West Palm Beach).
I think Cingular Wireless has been manipulating the signal indicator in an effort to support their "Raising the Bar" campaign. My phone almost always has a full strength indicator even when my signal is weak and I am dropping calls.
I have had poor reception while talking to land line phones and my signal indicator was full strength. I have seen the signal indicator fluctuate, but I suspect that the fluctuation is part of the scheme -no one would
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Do you have a motorola... I know motos signal strength is off at times it it is working hard for a signal... showing full bars means its working hard for that signal. I would assume the same for different manufactures. And, the only way to show 100% sure that the signal strength indicator on your phone to be accurate is if there is NO signal getting to the phone. Take a 2 phones, same distance from a tower and those 2 phones will most likely not show same signal, one may be tweeked a little different and have to pull more juice to get it...
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Cell phones are not as reliable as land lines. With cell phones you will drop calls, have poor reception, etc.
By the way, can any one spare me any change? I accept paypal.
By the way, can any one spare me any change? I accept paypal.
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While I think the idea maybe a stretch, its completely plausible. But to the so many responders that were rude and ignorant, I say shame on you.
In this day and age we should all know by now that we cannot trust corporate america (corporate world for that matter). Companies lie all the time to try and change their image. Its called propaganda.
I personally think it maybe the cell phone makers that are making their signal idicator show more bars because when people shop phones they compare signal strength among similar phones.
I know with my LG's will constantly show 1-2 more bars than my Moto and Treo and 3 bars more than my daughter's Ampd phone.
In this day and age we should all know by now that we cannot trust corporate america (corporate world for that matter). Companies lie all the time to try and change their image. Its called propaganda.
I personally think it maybe the cell phone makers that are making their signal idicator show more bars because when people shop phones they compare signal strength among similar phones.
I know with my LG's will constantly show 1-2 more bars than my Moto and Treo and 3 bars more than my daughter's Ampd phone.
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It has more to due with proximity to tower and the rf capability of the phone itself than the cell company manipulating the signal strength to lure you into buying their service.
I have seen Sprint phones have full signal while the phone is sitting of the table in one spot, move it 3 inches and it will have zero bars.
Some phone companies have a reputation for great RF (Nokia, some motos, and samsungs), some are noted for great features, but bad rf depending on the phone model (Treos, LGs, SE) and much of that depends upon who likes what phone...
I have seen Sprint phones have full signal while the phone is sitting of the table in one spot, move it 3 inches and it will have zero bars.
Some phone companies have a reputation for great RF (Nokia, some motos, and samsungs), some are noted for great features, but bad rf depending on the phone model (Treos, LGs, SE) and much of that depends upon who likes what phone...
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Thanks sigmamason,
That makes sense. My phone is a Treo 600 and although the signal quality is good, I wouldn't think it is among the best.
I will begin to note which phones people use as they give me feedback on the issue here in my local area.
That makes sense. My phone is a Treo 600 and although the signal quality is good, I wouldn't think it is among the best.
I will begin to note which phones people use as they give me feedback on the issue here in my local area.
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I have a Treo 650 and a Nokia 6682 and there is no comparison in terms of RF btwn the 2.
The Nokia blows the Treo out the water in terms of signal strength and call clarity.
The Treo stays around because it has qwerty, but I am sorely disappointed with the resets, RF and call quality.
I have a Cingular 2125 on the way and hopefully it will be as good as the Nokia in terms of call quality and RF
The Nokia blows the Treo out the water in terms of signal strength and call clarity.
The Treo stays around because it has qwerty, but I am sorely disappointed with the resets, RF and call quality.
I have a Cingular 2125 on the way and hopefully it will be as good as the Nokia in terms of call quality and RF
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I have been mostly happy with the Treo 600 on GSM. The signal quality has been good (not great) as compared to other phones I have used (nod to Nokia from my experience).
The Treo 650 on GSM is a bad comparison to my problem as that has always been a bad combination in this market. I know Cingular customers who received free Siemens SX66 devices up to a year after the Treo 650 purchase because device never worked right.
I have heard the opposite on Sprint and Verizon. What I get out of all of the feedback I hear is that Treo 600 is for GSM and Treo 650 is for CDMA. If you follow that rule you will find joy with Treo.
I do believe that an updater is available for the Cingular Treo 650 that is supposed to fix the issues.
The Treo 650 on GSM is a bad comparison to my problem as that has always been a bad combination in this market. I know Cingular customers who received free Siemens SX66 devices up to a year after the Treo 650 purchase because device never worked right.
I have heard the opposite on Sprint and Verizon. What I get out of all of the feedback I hear is that Treo 600 is for GSM and Treo 650 is for CDMA. If you follow that rule you will find joy with Treo.
I do believe that an updater is available for the Cingular Treo 650 that is supposed to fix the issues.
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Smiley,
I know plenty of co-workers (mortgage brokers and real estate agents) that will disagree with that assumption. The lawsuit that was filed was a combination of Sprint, Verizon and Cingular customers.
The T650 and T600 phones were plain and simply bad. Due to a bad design of the sim card tray which in spite of Cingular's objections, was used anyway, the sim card was never able to maintain it's contact point which caused a bunch of resets and periodic shutdowns. Adding 3rd party software to turn a mediocre phone into a somewhat useable device then causes another series of shutdowns, resets, lockups and freezes no matter who the provider is.
Not to bash a good idea that is still workable, just that Palm clearly should have put this...
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I know plenty of co-workers (mortgage brokers and real estate agents) that will disagree with that assumption. The lawsuit that was filed was a combination of Sprint, Verizon and Cingular customers.
The T650 and T600 phones were plain and simply bad. Due to a bad design of the sim card tray which in spite of Cingular's objections, was used anyway, the sim card was never able to maintain it's contact point which caused a bunch of resets and periodic shutdowns. Adding 3rd party software to turn a mediocre phone into a somewhat useable device then causes another series of shutdowns, resets, lockups and freezes no matter who the provider is.
Not to bash a good idea that is still workable, just that Palm clearly should have put this...
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I didn't know anything about a lawsuit, but I purchased my phone from T-mobile.
I stand by my comments. I have overwhelming evidence via user experience that the Treo 600 works well on GSM. Less so to support the Treo 650 on Verizon, but I know some happy customers with that combo.
I stand by my comments. I have overwhelming evidence via user experience that the Treo 600 works well on GSM. Less so to support the Treo 650 on Verizon, but I know some happy customers with that combo.
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SmileyBri,
The information on the lawsuit is posted all over the net. A quick google will tell you more...
The information on the lawsuit is posted all over the net. A quick google will tell you more...
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it is also a very strong possibility that this issue is more specific to your individual piece of equipment....you must remember these devices are MASS PRODUCED and all are not created equal.....i have been doing this for five years and i've had customers slam down phones telling me this is the worst phone they have ever had (when its supposed to be our best) and visa versa.....telling me our supposed worst phone is the best they've ever had......just because your phone may or may not have an issue doesn't mean all of the same type perform the same way.......
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Thanks soldmysoul4cellular,
That is a good point, but I don't think it is consistent with my findings thus far.
In another fork of this thread someone remarked that my signal indication could be good because the tower signal is strong in my area, but could be over serving users - thus my poor reception and dropped calls.
So there are at least two explanations for the results I see.
Thanks for your comments.
That is a good point, but I don't think it is consistent with my findings thus far.
In another fork of this thread someone remarked that my signal indication could be good because the tower signal is strong in my area, but could be over serving users - thus my poor reception and dropped calls.
So there are at least two explanations for the results I see.
Thanks for your comments.
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SE phones generally have excellent RF. The s710 is likely the best phone (reception wise) that has gone through Cingular...ever.
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RUFF1415 said:
SE phones generally have excellent RF. The s710 is likely the best phone (reception wise) that has gone through Cingular...ever.
I second that. 😎
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Ok people, can we end this once and for all...
As stated previously, you will see fluctuations in signal strength based on many factors including power fluctuations, RF, downlink, uplink, network configuration. The list is endless..
Also, signal strength will vary by model based on RF. If you work for a carrier, get with your RF teams or engineering. Im sure they would be happy to explain all this to you.
Lastly, Ampd is an MVNO selling Verizon so comparing them is not relevant.
As stated previously, you will see fluctuations in signal strength based on many factors including power fluctuations, RF, downlink, uplink, network configuration. The list is endless..
Also, signal strength will vary by model based on RF. If you work for a carrier, get with your RF teams or engineering. Im sure they would be happy to explain all this to you.
Lastly, Ampd is an MVNO selling Verizon so comparing them is not relevant.
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Oh sooo noone has come up with an intelligent response to this guys question...yes we all know that signals flucuate...and not as reliable as landlines...ok so i think that this is an intelligent response (even thought this thread started off as very strange)...what kind of phone are you using...and also if im not mistaken the Miami and surrounding markets have not gone through network integration...cause for dropped calls...and also possible cause for call clarity...in not exactly sure why it shows all bars on phone...could be a phone issue also...but call tech support and normally they can come up with a solution to your problem...ohh and you never stated what kind of phone you had.
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Sorry shortmel,
My phone is a Treo 600, but the issue is apparent on my wife's audiovox, and I have polled some friends and clients.
I will start to get more specific data about the phones used by people who give me feedback pro and con. It could very well be an issue with certain types of phones as someone pointed out.
My phone is a Treo 600, but the issue is apparent on my wife's audiovox, and I have polled some friends and clients.
I will start to get more specific data about the phones used by people who give me feedback pro and con. It could very well be an issue with certain types of phones as someone pointed out.
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If it is the SMT5600, that phone does not have good RF by all accounts, great features, poor RF.
One of the problems behind the SMT 5600 was that it would literally have a full signal when you started the call, but by the time you finished dialing the number it was drop city.
That is not something that Cingular did in order to manipulate signal.
I have gotten to the point that if I am talking to someone that is on sprint, I know the call will drop. If I am on the phone with someone on Nextel, I know that the call will drop. If I am on the phone with a verizon or cingular person, if they are in a urban area, I expect there to be some static but not a lot of drops.
Miami, if I remember correctly has not been fully integrated which might a...
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One of the problems behind the SMT 5600 was that it would literally have a full signal when you started the call, but by the time you finished dialing the number it was drop city.
That is not something that Cingular did in order to manipulate signal.
I have gotten to the point that if I am talking to someone that is on sprint, I know the call will drop. If I am on the phone with someone on Nextel, I know that the call will drop. If I am on the phone with a verizon or cingular person, if they are in a urban area, I expect there to be some static but not a lot of drops.
Miami, if I remember correctly has not been fully integrated which might a...
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Thanks for taking the thread seriously, adilus.
I understand the logic of the cell phone makers and the different ways the signal indicator is made, but that does not explain the very specific characteristics of what I have posted.
Given that the signal indicator shows full strength almost always even when the signal is actually weak.
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The behavior does not exist with my T-mobile SIM.
Plus, I have found this with my Wife's phone and other family and friends on Cingular. I have tested my theory in different areas. I must admit that most of my friends don't think it is likely that my theory is correct when I tell them, but when I bring it to their attention they usually come back saying that I might be right.
Other people ...
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I understand the logic of the cell phone makers and the different ways the signal indicator is made, but that does not explain the very specific characteristics of what I have posted.
Given that the signal indicator shows full strength almost always even when the signal is actually weak.
And
The behavior does not exist with my T-mobile SIM.
Plus, I have found this with my Wife's phone and other family and friends on Cingular. I have tested my theory in different areas. I must admit that most of my friends don't think it is likely that my theory is correct when I tell them, but when I bring it to their attention they usually come back saying that I might be right.
Other people ...
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we can't take the thread serious if your not being serious. 🙄 .we answered all your questions and you THEORY is just stupid. point blank stupid.
t-mobile and cingular in the same area. cingular has more towers than t-mobile and are in the 1900mhz band which is supposedly a little weaker but every place you go it's stonger tha cingular. 😕 i must say you THEORY is stupid. 👿 😛
t-mobile and cingular in the same area. cingular has more towers than t-mobile and are in the 1900mhz band which is supposedly a little weaker but every place you go it's stonger tha cingular. 😕 i must say you THEORY is stupid. 👿 😛
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Thanks for taking the thread seriously, adilus.
I understand the logic of the cell phone makers and the different ways the signal indicator is made, but that does not explain the very specific characteristics of what I have posted.
Given that the signal indicator shows full strength almost always even when the signal is actually weak.
And
The behavior does not exist with my T-mobile SIM.
Plus, I have found this with my Wife's phone and other family and friends on Cingular. I have tested my theory in different areas. I must admit that most of my friends don't think it is likely that my theory is correct when I tell them, but when I bring it to their attention they usually come back saying tha
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Pardon my ignorance. So when my signal changed due to the number of users attached to the tower and my Bar indicator wouldn't fluctuate?
That makes sense, but does not speak well for Cingular. I know they are the largest provider due to the purchase of AT&T, but if this is the issue then it means they have more customers than their towers can handle on a fairly regular basis.
Am I understanding this wrong?
That makes sense, but does not speak well for Cingular. I know they are the largest provider due to the purchase of AT&T, but if this is the issue then it means they have more customers than their towers can handle on a fairly regular basis.
Am I understanding this wrong?
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My God!! this has been covered!!! read the messages!! Thats how GSM works, no matter who the carrier is... goto how stuff works.com, learn something and end this madness!!
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SmileyBri said:
Pardon my ignorance. So when my signal changed due to the number of users attached to the tower and my Bar indicator wouldn't fluctuate?
That makes sense, but does not speak well for Cingular. I know they are the largest provider due to the purchase of AT&T, but if this is the issue then it means they have more customers than their towers can handle on a fairly regular basis.
Am I understanding this wrong?
No, you are understanding wrong. Your signal indicator would fluctuate. Happenes to me all the time. I can go from 5 bars to 2 to 4 back to 1 and up to 5 without moving and all in the span of 1 minute. It is how GSM/TDMA works. It is completely based on the number of users.
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You wrote: "If your signal indicator is not moving when you are having these problems, you have a phone problem."
Okay, then please let me explain why I think it is not a phone problem.
1. I put my T-mobile SIM card in the phone and drive around and the signal indicator fluctuates in most areas of town (some areas better then others for the most part).
2. My experience with the signal indicator and the signal quality is verified by other customers on Cingular Wireless - all using different phones really.
So, I am back to my theory that Cingular Wireless has manipulated the signal indicator to support their Raising the Bar Campaign.
Okay, then please let me explain why I think it is not a phone problem.
1. I put my T-mobile SIM card in the phone and drive around and the signal indicator fluctuates in most areas of town (some areas better then others for the most part).
2. My experience with the signal indicator and the signal quality is verified by other customers on Cingular Wireless - all using different phones really.
So, I am back to my theory that Cingular Wireless has manipulated the signal indicator to support their Raising the Bar Campaign.
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that because there aren't as mant t-mobile users bogging up their towers.
are you carrying a non carrier branded unlocked phone?
if not get it checked out.
are you carrying a non carrier branded unlocked phone?
if not get it checked out.
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I second what sowhatsowhat10 said. The lack of fluctuation on the signal indicator with your T-Mobile SIM is due to significantly less T-Mobile users accessing the T-Mobile tower at any given time when compared to Cingular customers. T-Mobile has only 1/3 the total customers as Cingular.
If you are using an unlocked phone (which it sounds like you are due to you having the ability to switch SIMS like that and have your phone work), that may be a part of your problem. Make sure your phone actually has the 850 band, because that could be the source of your problems if it doesn't.
If your phone is a Cingular locked phone, I would suggest having it checked out. If it is unlocked, you must deal directly with the manufacturer. Also, ke...
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If you are using an unlocked phone (which it sounds like you are due to you having the ability to switch SIMS like that and have your phone work), that may be a part of your problem. Make sure your phone actually has the 850 band, because that could be the source of your problems if it doesn't.
If your phone is a Cingular locked phone, I would suggest having it checked out. If it is unlocked, you must deal directly with the manufacturer. Also, ke...
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SForsyth01,
It would be really hard to follow this thread now with all of it's forks, so I don't blame you for not understanding the problem. Here it is again:
My signal indicator fluctuates as you expect it would on T-mobile's network. It does not fluctuate much on Cingular's network. You would think that this is a good thing, but in reality the signal fluctuates to the point of bad reception and dropped calls - all with a full strength indicator.
My theory, and comedic genius apparently, is that Cingular has found a way to cause this behavior deliberately. It is marketing genius and goes along with their "Raising the Bar" advertising campaign.
Now for some of the details.
Phone: Treo 600 (850/900/1800/1900)
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It would be really hard to follow this thread now with all of it's forks, so I don't blame you for not understanding the problem. Here it is again:
My signal indicator fluctuates as you expect it would on T-mobile's network. It does not fluctuate much on Cingular's network. You would think that this is a good thing, but in reality the signal fluctuates to the point of bad reception and dropped calls - all with a full strength indicator.
My theory, and comedic genius apparently, is that Cingular has found a way to cause this behavior deliberately. It is marketing genius and goes along with their "Raising the Bar" advertising campaign.
Now for some of the details.
Phone: Treo 600 (850/900/1800/1900)
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SForsyth01,
It would be really hard to follow this thread now with all of it's forks, so I don't blame you for not understanding the problem. Here it is again:
My signal indicator fluctuates as you expect it would on T-mobile's network. It does not fluctuate much on Cingular's network. You would think that this is a good thing, but in reality the signal fluctuates to the point of bad reception and dropped calls - all with a full strength indicator.
My theory, and comedic genius apparently, is that Cingular has found a way to cause this behavior deliberately. It is marketing genius and goes along with their "Raising the Bar" advertising campaign.
Now for some of the details.
Pho
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SForsyth01,
Forgive me. The almighty and all knowing SForsyth01 has spoken. Please stop posting to this thread everyone! In fact, shut the whole board down! We don't need phonescoop.com, we will all just contact SForsyth01 directly via email for answers to all things cell phone!
Forget email! Face East, get on your knees, and bow your head all the way to the floor. The answer will come before you can even ask your question. Almighty SForsyth01 knows all.
Forgive me. The almighty and all knowing SForsyth01 has spoken. Please stop posting to this thread everyone! In fact, shut the whole board down! We don't need phonescoop.com, we will all just contact SForsyth01 directly via email for answers to all things cell phone!
Forget email! Face East, get on your knees, and bow your head all the way to the floor. The answer will come before you can even ask your question. Almighty SForsyth01 knows all.
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AAAARRRRRRGGG!~! I have said this same thing in multiple posts.. Does anyone actually read these or just respond to random messages??!?
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Sorry Jake,
I have read through your replies once again. Although you did indicate similar ideas, it was never clear to me that the signal could fluctuate independent of what the indicator shows.
And as someone who apparently works for Cingular Wireless I find it abhorrent that you would try and kill this thread with "Ok people, can we end this once and for all..." and "end this madness!!" as if this whole forum simply bows to your genius.
The whole purpose of having this discussion on Phonescoop.com is that I can get feedback from people who's only bias comes from their experience, pro or con, with a particular phone or carrier. If you would like control over how long a negative thread gets about Cingular Wireless then I suggest yo...
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I have read through your replies once again. Although you did indicate similar ideas, it was never clear to me that the signal could fluctuate independent of what the indicator shows.
And as someone who apparently works for Cingular Wireless I find it abhorrent that you would try and kill this thread with "Ok people, can we end this once and for all..." and "end this madness!!" as if this whole forum simply bows to your genius.
The whole purpose of having this discussion on Phonescoop.com is that I can get feedback from people who's only bias comes from their experience, pro or con, with a particular phone or carrier. If you would like control over how long a negative thread gets about Cingular Wireless then I suggest yo...
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I guess I should have been a little more direct in my previous posts. I was simply stating that several people have said very similar things scattered throughout the thread. Had they taken the time to read it, this would have been apparent. 'end this madness!!' and 'can we end this once and for all' is referring to the multiple posts and was not meant to refer to your 'manipulation theory', as idiotic as it is.
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Not sure if it's possible - not been able to get a coherent response from Nokia on this issue - is it possible to place a GSM Nokia (or other make/model phone) into field test mode?
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Yes, it is indeed possible to put at least some of their phones in field test mode. I use in on my Nokia 6340i GAIT phone) all the time.
Head over to cingular.howardforums.com and do a search for 'GAIT'. There are a few helpful threads with instructions. If for some reason you cannot find it I can send details.
hth,
Pedro
Head over to cingular.howardforums.com and do a search for 'GAIT'. There are a few helpful threads with instructions. If for some reason you cannot find it I can send details.
hth,
Pedro
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I know mine isnt 🙂 My cingular phone frequently goes from 6 bars down to 2 all the time depending on where I stand. LOL.
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rayban said:
raise the bar indeed 🤣 that wouldnt surpise me at all
🤣 🤣 🤣 cingular sucks
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