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AT&t and Spectrum

Rodimus Primal

Jun 3, 2011, 5:01 PM
After hearing so much negative bashing I think its time people realize WHY AT&T is doing what they are doing. They know how their network works. They are aware of their faults and they have been recently VERY OPEN about it. They are looking to expand and boost their service to their customers regardless of opinion. It drives me MAD to see so many people bashing AT&T with their recent push to purchase T-Mobile.

People didn't complain that Sprint bought Nextel. At the time, Nextel was unable to stay competitive and Sprint saw an opportunity. Same thing with Verizon buying Alltel. Instead we see a HUGE opposition to AT&T. People say it creates a lack of competition. Didn't that happen when Sprint bought Nextel and Verizon bought Alltel? NO!!...
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pickles

Jun 3, 2011, 10:22 PM
So how long have you been working for AT&T?
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deepskyblue

Jun 3, 2011, 10:42 PM
That's what I was thinking.
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Rodimus Primal

Jun 4, 2011, 11:34 AM
Doesn't matter if I work for AT&T or not, it just shows that there are folks who much rather Verizon or Sprint buy T-mobile then AT&T because they personally don't like the blue "Death Star."
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texaswireless

Jun 4, 2011, 12:16 PM
But you do work for them?

You might want to step away from the Kool-Aid yourself dude. If you are nieve enough to think that AT&T didn't have options to expand their network without eliminating some of the competition I have some gulf beachfront property in Dallas to sell you.

When you want to compare apples to apples you just let us know. So far you comparing T-Mobile to Alltel and Nextel shows a lack of insight as to the size and scope of those companies at the time of their proposed purchase. 33 million customers and a nationwide footprint versus 11 million and a regional footprint are two very different situations. 33 million customers and going from 4 to 3 national carriers (when alternatives aplenty exist) and 20 million cust...
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deepskyblue

Jun 4, 2011, 3:11 PM
I think you'd get the same reaction from people if Verizon had announced a T-mobile merger.

If it was Sprint probably less so, but there would still be people opposed to it.

I don't think people are picking on AT&T just because they're AT&T. In general a lot of people don't like huge corporate conglomerations and they way they can throw their weight around in the market.

You can be pro-merger or anti-merger, but don't assume that people who are anti-merger are at&t persecutors.
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Jellz

Jun 4, 2011, 1:40 PM
*not surprised at above replies*
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Jayshmay

Jun 21, 2011, 12:17 PM
These replies are so good that the original poster decided to disappear.
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Jellz

Jun 25, 2011, 1:32 PM
I read the OP, and made $10 by betting myself on what the replies would be.
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HzD incredible

Jun 4, 2011, 4:16 PM
100% agree to much ATT hating. I think you can drink all the kool-aid in the world but the only thing i think is pathetic is bashing on a carrier for being the biggest and best. Evil or Very Mad
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ronm999

Jun 20, 2011, 10:38 PM
They may become the biggest, but I hardly doubt they will be the best. I was with AT&T and left them to join T-mobile. I have been happy with Tmobile, and hope AT&T doesn't get approval for the merger (although I realize that it probably will be approved.) Tmobile has constantly been rated top for customer service. Why would I want to go back to ST&T's lousy customer service? A lot of Tmobile customers feel the way I do.
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vercetti

Jun 21, 2011, 12:03 PM
too bad they were ranked 2nd in the latest report behind a tied 1st with sprint and verizon
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Jayshmay

Jun 21, 2011, 12:18 PM
If it does get approved, what are you going to do? Stay? Or go to Sprint?
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CellStudent

Jun 27, 2011, 10:21 AM
It's about market dynamics.

Any marketplace where two sellers control over 70% of the supply of goods cannot possibly be considered an "open and competitive marketplace."

Cellular hasn't been truly competitive in this country since 2005 - 2006.
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acdc1a

Jun 27, 2011, 10:42 AM
Wireless has been competitive in some markets since 2005/2006. Unfortunately the little guys like Metro aren't in every market. Look at their penetration in markets like Detroit and South Florida. If they were a nationwide player things might be different and we could discuss merits of AT&T/T-Mobile mergers. As it stands now there are no merits to such a combination.
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CellStudent

Jun 27, 2011, 5:56 PM
acdc1a said:
Wireless has been competitive in some markets since 2005/2006. Unfortunately the little guys like Metro aren't in every market. Look at their penetration in markets like Detroit and South Florida. If they were a nationwide player things might be different and we could discuss merits of AT&T/T-Mobile mergers. As it stands now there are no merits to such a combination.

If you believe MetroPCS and Cricket constitute competition against any of the big players, you're drinking somebody's kool-aid.

The reality is that another company can only be considered a "competitor" if the products are of roughly the same quality and availability. The fact that MetroPCS and Cricket have such minuscule nat...
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acdc1a

Jun 27, 2011, 7:58 PM
Poppycock! Metro and Cricket since you mention them are deploying LTE networks and have robust roaming agreements. If you believe that the big carriers have the national traveler market locked up, you're drinking their kool-aid.

Metro PCS specifically has more market share than traditional providers in markets like Miami. If Metro had a true nationwide presence and LTE network to match it with present pricing, we'd see a lot of changes in AT&T and Verizon's pricing.
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CellStudent

Jun 27, 2011, 11:44 PM
acdc1a said:
If Metro had a true nationwide presence and LTE network to match it with present pricing, we'd see a lot of changes in AT&T and Verizon's pricing.

So, in your first sentence your call out that I'm completely wrong, and then in your last sentence you agree with me 100%?

Thanks for coming on board there at the end. The problem is that Metro and Cricket can't gain a true nationwide presence, primarily because Verizon, AT&T and Sprint are all squatting on massive spectrum resources that they simply refuse to deploy. AT&T and Verizon both hold tons of AWS spectrum similar to the bands Tmobile is using, but they can't economically deploy them because they are different bands within the spec...
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acdc1a

Jun 28, 2011, 9:13 AM
No, you said that Cricket and Metro aren't viable players, that they played in a niche market. I said with robust roaming agreements they are quite competitive in the markets they compete in. My point was simply that a dreamland Metro PCS/Cricket that had markets nationwide would be an extremely strong competitor.

I did agree on the AT&T merger though. Spectrum management is their own problem.
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CellStudent

Jun 29, 2011, 12:33 AM
And... the FCC chimes in just in time for our conversation: The wireless marketplace in America is not sufficiently competitive:

http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=8399 »
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acdc1a

Jun 29, 2011, 9:30 AM
Rarely do I agree with the FCC but in this case I have to.
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Jayshmay

Jun 29, 2011, 3:14 PM
I really, really enjoyed reading this post!!!
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AtTheMet

Jul 20, 2011, 3:11 PM
CellStudent said:


So, in your first sentence your call out that I'm completely wrong, and then in your last sentence you agree with me 100%?

Thanks for coming on board there at the end. The problem is that Metro and Cricket can't gain a true nationwide presence, primarily because Verizon, AT&T and Sprint are all squatting on massive spectrum resources that they simply refuse to deploy. AT&T and Verizon both hold tons of AWS spectrum similar to the bands Tmobile is using, but they can't economically deploy them because they are different bands within the spectrum blocks which would require handsets in LA to have different antenna setups than handsets in NYC!

AT&T's problem isn't that they lack spectrum (a
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