So now all of a sudden att has bogus 4g to?
So now att is going to market hspa+ as 4g even after the statements they released to tmobile about calling hspa+ 4g. Hspa+ has been branded 3g a long time ago and now its not just tmobile that's lying about 4g so is att. When will this hspa+ 4g nonsense end. 🙄
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Don't let DiamondSpam draw you into this.
ITC stated hspa+ could be considered a 4G technology just as LTE is considered a 4G technology because it promises much greater speeds that current 3G offerings. They conceded their "vision" of 4G being only 100 MBPs or higher was a bit of a leap from 3G.
They will still be last though :-)
ITC stated hspa+ could be considered a 4G technology just as LTE is considered a 4G technology because it promises much greater speeds that current 3G offerings. They conceded their "vision" of 4G being only 100 MBPs or higher was a bit of a leap from 3G.
They will still be last though :-)
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Can't blame AT&T for letting T-Mobile do all the heavy lifting and then reaping the fruit of T-Mobile's labor. I think it is a very wise business move.
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So I guess we care more about the business than the consumer? Since when did it become OK for a company to lie or mislead customers?
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They aren't lying....or misleading. They are just playing off the average consumers ignorance. Its hard enough to differentiate a company's advantage in the current market. Getting "creative" with marketing seems to be the easiest way.
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It's not all that different from when carriers went with "nation-wide" coverage names. It doesn't mean every part of the nation is covered, it's just "wide" across the "nation."
4G is like saying "cellular." There are enough iterations of "cellular" to argue the word's inaccuracies.
4G is like saying "cellular." There are enough iterations of "cellular" to argue the word's inaccuracies.
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It's not a lie. Once T-Mobile lobbied and was able to get this approved as a '4G' technology why wouldn't AT&T capitalize upon it?
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When did tmobile lobby to get it approved? Hspa+ is 3g. Carriers around the world with 42mbs hspa+ call it what it is 3g not re-branding hspa+ as 4g and they have much faster speeds then att and tmobile. Sprint's and Verizon's 4g speeds put tmobile and att hspa+ to shame and they have real 4g networks not this watered down patch work att and tmobile are trying to pass off as 4g. But speed is not the only requirement for 4g which is why att will deploy lte because they know hspa+ is a dead end.😎
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Which criteria of the undefined standard does HSPA+ fail to meet?
Any deployment of a GSM association standard is not a dead end.
DiamondPro said:But speed is not the only requirement for 4g which is why att will deploy lte because they know hspa+ is a dead end.
Any deployment of a GSM association standard is not a dead end.
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A non-backwards compatible transmission technology is 1 requirement. A newer generation is not compatible with an older one. This would defeat the purpose of calling it next gen. It also uses a new frequency or band.
Scalable channel bandwidth, between 5 and 20 MHz, optionally up to 40 MHz is another requirement. Current Hspa+ networks only use 5mhz of spectrum. Hspa+ is also fully compatible with existing 3g so how can it be called next gen? That's right it can't.
Which explains why Sprint and Verizon had to completely start over and build there 4g networks from scratch. It cost big $$$ money to roll out next gen tech/True 4g. Meanwhile tmobile is doing a patch job and putting a band-aide on there 3g network using hspa+ and calling i...
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Scalable channel bandwidth, between 5 and 20 MHz, optionally up to 40 MHz is another requirement. Current Hspa+ networks only use 5mhz of spectrum. Hspa+ is also fully compatible with existing 3g so how can it be called next gen? That's right it can't.
Which explains why Sprint and Verizon had to completely start over and build there 4g networks from scratch. It cost big $$$ money to roll out next gen tech/True 4g. Meanwhile tmobile is doing a patch job and putting a band-aide on there 3g network using hspa+ and calling i...
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DiamondPro said:
A non-backwards compatible transmission technology is 1 requirement.
Where can I find these requirements laid out? Is that your requirement?
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Ok, I'm glad you put in "transmission" technology. PS2 system is a next gen system yet it is still backward compatible with PS games...But that really has nothing to do with this. Just trying to change the subject. 😛
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...because you commented on it expressing your displeasure with the ITU. The ITU basically bowed out of the debate making it clear that damned near anyone can claim the mantle '4G'. You don't like it. WE KNOW! WE KNOW!
https://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=7162 »
"It is recognized that [4G], while undefined, may also be applied to the forerunners of these technologies, LTE and WiMax, and to other evolved 3G technologies providing a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed."
https://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=7162 »
"It is recognized that [4G], while undefined, may also be applied to the forerunners of these technologies, LTE and WiMax, and to other evolved 3G technologies providing a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed."
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It says evolved 3G technology.
And in this powerpoint from the IMT website:
http://www.itu.int/ITU-D/asp/CMS/Events/2010/IMT/S1_ ... »
They refer to HSPA+ as an evolved 3G technology over and over again.
So I think you're assuming that they didn't mean hspa+, which clearly they did.
And in this powerpoint from the IMT website:
http://www.itu.int/ITU-D/asp/CMS/Events/2010/IMT/S1_ ... »
They refer to HSPA+ as an evolved 3G technology over and over again.
So I think you're assuming that they didn't mean hspa+, which clearly they did.
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deepskyblue said:
It says evolved 3G technology.
And in this powerpoint from the IMT website:
http://www.itu.int/ITU-D/asp/CMS/Events/2010/IMT/S1_ ... »
They refer to HSPA+ as an evolved 3G technology over and over again.
So I think you're assuming that they didn't mean hspa+, which clearly they did.
No where does it state hspa+ as evolved 3g technology let alone over and over again as u stated. Please come up with a better source.
If the ITU wanted to consider hspa+ as 4g they would have said Wimax, Lte, and hspa+ can be considered 4g. They did not and probably left room for Long term hspa evolution. Confused? That's what tmobile wants u to be...
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It actually say "HSPA+, also known as Evolved High-Speed Packet Access is a wireless broadband standard defined in 3GPP release 7."
Which is not Evolved 3g but even if what you say is true its "Evolved 3g" 😳 which is not 4g and does not help tmobile or att claim to 4g.
Hspa+ is some very impressive 3g its actual the best as far as terms of Speed. I have researched the big fours networks and att 3g network is the fastest on avg even faster than tmobile's in more locations and they have almost triple the amount of user as tmobile does. But I think tmobile and att should have left hspa+ as what it is 3g and not sugar coat it into being 4g. Because Hspa+ does not produce the same speed, consistency, and low cost as true 4g solutions do. ...
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Which is not Evolved 3g but even if what you say is true its "Evolved 3g" 😳 which is not 4g and does not help tmobile or att claim to 4g.
Hspa+ is some very impressive 3g its actual the best as far as terms of Speed. I have researched the big fours networks and att 3g network is the fastest on avg even faster than tmobile's in more locations and they have almost triple the amount of user as tmobile does. But I think tmobile and att should have left hspa+ as what it is 3g and not sugar coat it into being 4g. Because Hspa+ does not produce the same speed, consistency, and low cost as true 4g solutions do. ...
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"...evolved 3G technologies providing a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed."
Again, T-Mobile pushed the envelope and AT&T jumped on the bandwagon. While I am sure you will continue to cry and rage against their marketing efforts it appears that the ITU is not standing in their way.
Again, T-Mobile pushed the envelope and AT&T jumped on the bandwagon. While I am sure you will continue to cry and rage against their marketing efforts it appears that the ITU is not standing in their way.
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Calling someone out is not crying and rage. 🙄 But if your ok with companies taking shortcuts at the cost of consumers and exploiting loop holes to gain an advantage that's on you. Call a Spade a Spade if it was 3g then its still 3g now. I think att has the best 3g network speed wise and should have gone with that. Instead they jump on the tmobile bandwagon in a if you cant beat em join em fashion and now they look stupid.
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3G is laid out in IMT-2000
Wimax was recently IMT-2000 cerified.
That means it's now a bona fide 3G standard.
Wimax was recently IMT-2000 cerified.
That means it's now a bona fide 3G standard.
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They never said hspa+ only Lte and Wimax. But tmobile and att are stretching hspa+ as 4g. And its ITU not itc. Diamondspam? 🤨 The only spam I see is your misinformed post 🤣
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I think u missed the point of my arguement the ITU never specifically said hspa+. They could have clearly stated it but did not... Futhermore the only 2 tech that are true 4g are Wimax 2 & Lte Advanced... Where does that leave hspa+? Simple in the dust. 😎
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The article clearly states ITU is fine with hspa+, wimax and the current lte as being called 4G.
And since I know your arguing skills this will end here with me. Have at the last word.
Article text:
So you thought you knew what 4G was, or at least knew that you didn't know, but now it's time to flip the switch once again.
Over the weekend the International Telecommunications Union (ITU) loosened its definition of 4G to include LTE, WiMax, and HSPA+.
"As the most advanced technologies currently defined for global wireless mobile broadband communications, IMT-Advanced is considered as '4G,' although it is recognized that this term, while undefined, may also be applied to the forerunners of these technologies, LTE and WiMax, and...
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And since I know your arguing skills this will end here with me. Have at the last word.
Article text:
So you thought you knew what 4G was, or at least knew that you didn't know, but now it's time to flip the switch once again.
Over the weekend the International Telecommunications Union (ITU) loosened its definition of 4G to include LTE, WiMax, and HSPA+.
"As the most advanced technologies currently defined for global wireless mobile broadband communications, IMT-Advanced is considered as '4G,' although it is recognized that this term, while undefined, may also be applied to the forerunners of these technologies, LTE and WiMax, and...
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DiamondPro has some real angst about AT&T. sheesh.
Here's the thing - T-Mobile called HSPA+ 4G. And as irritating as that is, it's a fact. Why the hell WOULDN'T at&t do the same? That's retarded not to.
So, (if you didn't pay attention to it), AT&T is building out their LTE network this year and next, though not turning it on. The HSPA+ is essentially ALREADY on their network, it just needs bigger pipes to transmit through and is throttled back (since their top phones are only 7.2). This year will be about pumping up the HSPA+ network and laying the infrastructure for LTE. So, once LTE launches with AT&T, they'll have LTE as their high speed offering and HSPA+ as the fall back network.
PLEASE tell me that Verizon and your beloved Spr...
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Here's the thing - T-Mobile called HSPA+ 4G. And as irritating as that is, it's a fact. Why the hell WOULDN'T at&t do the same? That's retarded not to.
So, (if you didn't pay attention to it), AT&T is building out their LTE network this year and next, though not turning it on. The HSPA+ is essentially ALREADY on their network, it just needs bigger pipes to transmit through and is throttled back (since their top phones are only 7.2). This year will be about pumping up the HSPA+ network and laying the infrastructure for LTE. So, once LTE launches with AT&T, they'll have LTE as their high speed offering and HSPA+ as the fall back network.
PLEASE tell me that Verizon and your beloved Spr...
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JeffroPuff said:
PLEASE tell me that Verizon and your beloved Sprint can really compete with their CDMA network in their non-LTE coverage areas.
"When they fall back from LTE to CDMA, it's not going to be pretty"
This mindset at the AT&T Public Relations crew really makes me raise an eyebrow. There's a really, really good chance that Verizon's LTE network will cover a larger footprint then AT&T's HSPA+ footprint before the sun has set on 2011.
Why care about the EVDO fallback speeds when LTE is so easy to grow and deploy?
That argument has maybe a one year life span, and probably closer to six months. But, hey, I can't fault a guy for trying.
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