ok question
Since I got hammered in the last post about unlimited is not necessary and no one except a very very limited few ever use more then that then why would att not offer a unlimited option if so few people ever use that much?
Even though it had nothing to do with that and everything to do with att trying to make a commercial saying they are doing everyone a favor so lets make a new thread about it since that is what everyone wanted to bring into it.
Even though it had nothing to do with that and everything to do with att trying to make a commercial saying they are doing everyone a favor so lets make a new thread about it since that is what everyone wanted to bring into it.
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http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/mobile/07/29/verizon.ip ... »
Some interesting reading.
Ok I found that roughly 6.4 million Iphones are active in the US that puts 2.5% which att claims is going over the 2gb limit at about 160,000 users. Are you telling me that att is so crunched by those 160,000 users they had to resort to capping data due to them?
Some interesting reading.
Ok I found that roughly 6.4 million Iphones are active in the US that puts 2.5% which att claims is going over the 2gb limit at about 160,000 users. Are you telling me that att is so crunched by those 160,000 users they had to resort to capping data due to them?
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I like that question. Somehow, I doubt that any but the upper echelons of AT&T know the answer, though.
It seems to be a bad answer to a problem that really didn't exist, if your synopsis is accurate.
It seems to be a bad answer to a problem that really didn't exist, if your synopsis is accurate.
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I don't know if it is but from what ATT says and all others that jumped on me that I am the exception when it comes to downloading more then 2gb on my phone a month thinks it is.
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But I still think it's a bad decision. From what I've seen, Most people would rather pay a bit extra to get unlimited than be told "You PROBABLY won't go over this."
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As an user, I don't like this cap AT ALL, but, let's be realistic... AT&T doesn't care about it! AT&T has millions of users, and let's say that 30% of those users are smartphone users, they want to take advantage of data usage by capping it! Of course T-Mobile won't do that, nor Sprint or anyone else... Why??? They need to offer better deals than AT&T to bring customers to their companies!!! Do you get my point?
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http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Virgin-Mobile-Emb ... »
Ohhhh and we thought unlimited was going away. Now we have a carrier that is not following but doing the complete opposite. Who will follow who?
Ohhhh and we thought unlimited was going away. Now we have a carrier that is not following but doing the complete opposite. Who will follow who?
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Just watch 4Q results. If ATTs churn trends higher, or they are unable to add as many subscribers as they had been trending, then you will know you were correct. If their churn continues to drop and they continue to add subscribers at a pace faster than that of anyone else, then ATT probably knows what they are doing.
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Just watch 4Q results. If ATTs churn trends higher, or they are unable to add as many subscribers as they had been trending, then you will know you were correct. If their churn continues to drop and they continue to add subscribers at a pace faster than that of anyone else, then ATT probably knows what they are doing.
Good analysis dromant. I don't think we'll have to wait for 4Q, I think there will be enough proof in the pudding at the 3Q release. Data ARPU will probably be down slightly but profitability will be up stiffly.
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When do the 3Q & 4Q results come out?
All I have to say is that if anybody on AT&T wants to have a
*high-end* Android smartphone well, they'll have to get one somewhere other than AT&T, like I did.
All I have to say is that if anybody on AT&T wants to have a
*high-end* Android smartphone well, they'll have to get one somewhere other than AT&T, like I did.
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Jayshmay said:All I have to say is that if anybody on AT&T wants to have a
*high-end* Android smartphone well, they'll have to get one somewhere other than AT&T, like I did.
I have a hard time quantifying the Captivate as anything but a high-end Android phone. 4.0" Super AMOLED with a 1 GHz ticker.
If that's mid-tier, so is everything else Android has available right now!
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Oh ooops! I forgot about that one. Well too late for me, I gave up on waiting for ATT back in March.
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I think you will be right for what I said in another reply. ATT customers get phones for coolness and verizon customers get phones for what they are meant for to be used.
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I definetly agree with your post!!!!
That's exactly why I left AT&T and got a Motorola Droid.
That's exactly why I left AT&T and got a Motorola Droid.
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The problem is that you may not understand the point of an advertisement like this. For years, we have had bunches of customers come into the store and say "I would like to have an Iphone/Blackberry/Android/Palm/Windows Phone, but I do not want to pay an extra $30 per month for the service." Of course, people who work in the business and hang out in sites like this know that ATT offers tiered pricing for data now. However, much of the country does not spend its day hanging around cell phone stores or on line and do not know this. All this ad is doing is letting the masses know that they can now get that coveted Iphone or other smart phone with a smaller data plan that does not cost as much. What ATT is hoping to do is attract that customer b...
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the story I posted shows that att has most people iphones mostly that get phones because they are cool. Not for what they do. Verizon mostly android has people that are buying not for coolness but for what they are designed for. reason why verizon carries more data then att even with their iphones!
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They buy Iphones for the same reason people buy Rolex watches, Luis Viton accessories, and Ferraris. Rolex watches are famous for not keeping good time. Viton Accessories a 10 times the price of the same item without their label. And no one who owns a Ferrari drives it at 180 on thier commute to work. It is a status symbol, and with the less expensive data plan, the average Joe can have one.
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J,
I beg to differ about your comment on Rolex. And for the record, I am not bragging.
I have my fathers 1967 Rolex Submariner he bought while in Vietnam. For a 43 year old watch that has never been serviced by Rolex USA, it still keep time with in a few seconds per day.
I also have a 2007 Yachtmaster that is impeccable and is my daily watch. Very accurate time piece.
You are spot on about Louie Viton.....
Will
I beg to differ about your comment on Rolex. And for the record, I am not bragging.
I have my fathers 1967 Rolex Submariner he bought while in Vietnam. For a 43 year old watch that has never been serviced by Rolex USA, it still keep time with in a few seconds per day.
I also have a 2007 Yachtmaster that is impeccable and is my daily watch. Very accurate time piece.
You are spot on about Louie Viton.....
Will
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and sorry I don't see the analogy. A 10,000 watch to a 199 phone? Come on the average teenager can afford a iphone. And if you are correct sorry if you can't afford 30.00 a month on a data plan unlimited you can't afford the phone. lets use one of yours Its like buying a lambo or other super car and can't afford gas.
And I will say it one more time. I give them credit for lowering the data rate but I have the problem with getting rid of unl plan when they say only a small amount of people use more then 2gb. If that is the case then why do away with it all together? Something doesn't add up!
And I will say it one more time. I give them credit for lowering the data rate but I have the problem with getting rid of unl plan when they say only a small amount of people use more then 2gb. If that is the case then why do away with it all together? Something doesn't add up!
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THEY DON'T WANT BIG USERS ON THEIR NETWORK.
I am sorry but what is it you don't get?
I am sorry but what is it you don't get?
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THATS NOT WHAT THEY SAY!!!! I think I made that clear they say its only roughly 170,000 are you telling me their network is that bad?
It has nothing to do with that it has to do with MONEY what don't you get?
It has nothing to do with that it has to do with MONEY what don't you get?
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Using 40% or more of their bandwidth.
We all know their network has issues. If you can cut off those users, get new users to pay if they are big GB users, get new smartphone sales on customers who would not otherwise pay $30 for data.
If it works it is a very good plan (which is why Verizon will likely follow even with their 3G network.) The carriers would love nothing better than to re-condition customers into thinking tiered wireless data is how things are priced. There was a time and place for unlimited for the big carriers. Speed has now changed all that.
We all know their network has issues. If you can cut off those users, get new users to pay if they are big GB users, get new smartphone sales on customers who would not otherwise pay $30 for data.
If it works it is a very good plan (which is why Verizon will likely follow even with their 3G network.) The carriers would love nothing better than to re-condition customers into thinking tiered wireless data is how things are priced. There was a time and place for unlimited for the big carriers. Speed has now changed all that.
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I think we might be saying the same thing its all about money and network issues and not doing the customer a favor. They just want you to believe they are doing you a favor. And even though sprint can not change the industry I hope they stay unlimited for 4g. I may be going back to sprint if they do and verizon follows att. But I will say that if the small carriers stick with what they are doing they will get bigger and bigger eventually.
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I think they did 98% of their customers a favor. Sales will tell the tale.
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I don't think that Verizon will follow. I think they realize that as more smartphones come out, more people are going to be using data. As the internet has been killing newspapers and magazines, phones using the internet will continue. It seems silly to me that at a time when technology grows, AT&T cuts back on the use of technology. However, I do think there needs to be options for everyone. Data pakages should be tiered like minutes based on what you use.
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the rolex that does not keep time well and the overpriced LV accessories a Ferrari WILL go 180 MPH on your commute! :-)
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Look the reason for the switch was.
1) When att came out with the $30 unlim data, customers complained said they shouldnt pay that much for data on smartphones. even att wasnt the irst one to come out with a $30 datat plan.
2) even tho there are users who do go over 2Gb, att is a company. since only a few people go over they feel they'll get more people who want to pay less for data since the $30 data was such a big deal.
and the 3rd most important reason
3) since verizon caps , ATT caps. monkey see, monkey do.
1) When att came out with the $30 unlim data, customers complained said they shouldnt pay that much for data on smartphones. even att wasnt the irst one to come out with a $30 datat plan.
2) even tho there are users who do go over 2Gb, att is a company. since only a few people go over they feel they'll get more people who want to pay less for data since the $30 data was such a big deal.
and the 3rd most important reason
3) since verizon caps , ATT caps. monkey see, monkey do.
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verizon doesn't cap smartphones. Thank you just data cards. If they did I would be in trouble.
And yes they are a business and since only so small of people go over 2gb then it woul dnot be so big to have a plan still and also offer a plan for people that use smaller amounts. the real reason is to get more money or they wouldn't do it and to limit their network issues that they have.
And yes they are a business and since only so small of people go over 2gb then it woul dnot be so big to have a plan still and also offer a plan for people that use smaller amounts. the real reason is to get more money or they wouldn't do it and to limit their network issues that they have.
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Your right my goof. verizon cap is just on data cards. but that only just revises my sattement to saying att trys so hard to be verizon or beat them at stuff that they make mistakes. since they werent complaints on the data plan they lowered it to be cheaper than verizon. but it being att they werent gonna lower the unlim plan to a lower price without taking something away; so they capped. the research to see how much data customers use was to see how much business they would lose. since the data wasnt substantial enough to not lower they did. Att doesnt care about smartphone users. they care about iphone users. why do u think they keep handicapping android devices. Since noone else offers the Iphone, if u want it you have to suck up and tak...
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iphone is a smartphone. And they blame the iphone on everything that is wrong with their network. Its always the iphone users that is consuming so much data. Spend the money to upgrade the network like they should and not be so consumed by trying to get more money from their customers. Data and SMS is the biggest money maker for them. I can totally see if they had allot of users that used so much data that they were forced to do this but their own numbers show only about 70,000 iphone/smartphone users use more then 2gb.
Now if they didn't cripple the android devices maybe they would see more other then iphone activations. And they are still adding more users then verizon so I am missing the point all they way around. Like i said kudos f...
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Now if they didn't cripple the android devices maybe they would see more other then iphone activations. And they are still adding more users then verizon so I am missing the point all they way around. Like i said kudos f...
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C'mon!!! It's not AT&T's fault that iPhone has the antenna where you usually hold it!!! It's not AT&T's fault that iPhones start losing signal, missing messages and not connecting to the internet if you don't update its software!!! I've had custs who complained about iPhone 4 poor coverage, switched from it to HTC Aria or Samsung Captivate and... Voila! Coverage issues dissapeared!!! And as far as I know, it wasn't David Copperfield's magic... 😳
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The reason for the change was to give incentives (lower priced required data plans)
to mainstream customers who wanted to buy a smartphones, but would not BUY because of the $30 required data plans.
Maybe now they will buy?
AT&T/Verizon/Sprint/T-mobile/Virgin are not ever interested in doing customers *favors*. They are interested in making more sales and more revenue.
But they do have a point to make in the commercial...As of Sept 2010, if they are correct and 65% of their users don't even use 200MB and another 33% more don't use 2GB, then they are only excluding a very small group who are hogging all the bandwidth. AT&T doesn't want any NEW data hogs, but they do want to keep the ones that are already customers.
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to mainstream customers who wanted to buy a smartphones, but would not BUY because of the $30 required data plans.
Maybe now they will buy?
AT&T/Verizon/Sprint/T-mobile/Virgin are not ever interested in doing customers *favors*. They are interested in making more sales and more revenue.
But they do have a point to make in the commercial...As of Sept 2010, if they are correct and 65% of their users don't even use 200MB and another 33% more don't use 2GB, then they are only excluding a very small group who are hogging all the bandwidth. AT&T doesn't want any NEW data hogs, but they do want to keep the ones that are already customers.
I agree...
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