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75% of the U.S. covered with LTE by April 2012,. . .not by AT&T

Jayshmay

Aug 9, 2010, 11:20 AM
AT&T just pockets $$$ and pays their greedy stock holders, whereas as Verizon is actually agreessive with next gen networks.

http://www.androidcentral.com/verizon-android-leaked ... »
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mdlamotte

Aug 9, 2010, 3:02 PM
Why are you here "Troll"
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Jayshmay

Aug 9, 2010, 7:13 PM
Better than a "Troll", I'm an x-customer!!! Very Happy. Who after being a customer of Cinguler/ATT for 8yrs got fed up with the lack of ambition.
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Sigma1570

Aug 9, 2010, 7:34 PM
Interesting.

I think for most end users the difference between LTE and 3g won't make that much of a difference....atleast with current applications. I think the big thing is that Verizon will market its LTE network to death to make your average consumer think that they NEED to be on LTE and that at&t 3g speeds are inadequate. It will be really interesting to see what happens in the next few years! LTE and an iPhone for Verizon?? sounds like some churn problems for at&t Sad
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andy2373

Aug 10, 2010, 3:40 AM
I think they'll have to market it heavy cause it's all they got. CDMA is dead and VZW is huge here, and that's it.
It's almost like a captive market.
TMO has their new price plans and their high speed where they have coverage.
Sprint is rolling with their 4G.
ATT, when they loose the iphone...I don't know what their plan is. Confused Maybe they'll finally jump on the Android wagon.
But I agree, it'll be awhile before LTE really makes a difference.
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Jayshmay

Aug 10, 2010, 11:10 PM
So I don't know what you mean when you say it'll be a while before LTE makes a difference. 10 months or so is when it'll make a difference. And in January @ CES Verizon said they will have LTE smartphones to show.

Having 75% of the country covered by April of 2012 is very, very agressive.

It will be a while before LTE makes a difference if your on IT&T.

But it won't be a while if your on Verizon, cause Verizon is aggressive.
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thickjake

Aug 10, 2010, 6:43 AM
VZW data speeds are capped out. They must switch to LTE. AT&T's current network is already capable of supporting 7.2.

Sprints own website says their 4g is currently 3-6 megs.

It's not about the name (LTE, 4G, etc) It's about the experience and the speed.

AT&T currently has the fastest data network and will continue to have the fastest data network even after other carrier 'upgrades'.
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Amarantamin

Aug 10, 2010, 2:22 PM
Eh?

No.
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AshDizzle

Aug 10, 2010, 5:28 PM
That's your response? Just "no"? Howabout some proof to back it up? Thickjake is precisely correct.
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wombough

Aug 10, 2010, 6:27 PM
how about tmobile has the fastest 3g network in areas they upgraded to HSPA+.
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Jayshmay

Aug 10, 2010, 11:16 PM
Just to let you know "real world" speeds is all that matter.

You tell me, are you, the end-user getting 7.2 on ATT? I don't think so! Sprint advertises real world/end user speeds.

Same with Verizon, their saying real world/end user speeds of their LTE network will be 8-12mbps.

I doubt people on ATT are even getting 2.5mbps on avg.
7.2 is only what a tower is capable of putting out, not what the end user will get.
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Amarantamin

Aug 10, 2010, 2:22 PM
but what do stockholders do for the company that is so special that they must be paid for it? I've spoken to customers who (allegedly) are stock holders, and they act like we owe them the world as a result. I don't think they run the company or make important business decisions. Isn't the stock market the rough equivelant of just putting a bet on a company, and getting paid if the company does well?
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wombough

Aug 10, 2010, 6:31 PM
no stock holders and not the ones that own a few hundred or thousands of shares but the top 10 stock holders have a very big role in the company. That is why some want to stay private or like mediacom go private. they don't have to please them. But verizon doesn't cave as easily to them and make decisions for the future and not this year.
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Amarantamin

Aug 10, 2010, 8:29 PM
I don't understand stock, or shares. Some people make a company, and now they have to share the profits with random people who bet that the comapny would do well? And the top betters remain secret?

Still so confused, sorry... Confused
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wombough

Aug 10, 2010, 8:32 PM
they choose to go public. Shares raise millions of dollars for capital. And no they are not secret. Who owns what is public information. And most times the top holders are excec in the company. But if someone can buy more then 50% of shares they basically own the company. Its very complicated and you will have to do some research on it as I could not go into it on here.
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Amarantamin

Aug 10, 2010, 9:26 PM
So, a company's worth is estimated, and then broken down into a series of imaginary parts, or 'shares'. People who think that the company might succeed buy the imaginary 'shares', giving the company money with the promise that, should the company do well, the person makes a profit too. As the worth of the company goes up, so does the worth of the 'shares', and people who bought them can sell them back to the company to gain their promised profit.

Is this correct?

If so, the profit of a succeeding company must increase at a rate faster than the value of the shares, or else the company would never grow. If this is the case, then the value of the company as estimated through stocks is no accurate, it would in fact have to be knowingly man...
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wombough

Aug 11, 2010, 3:58 PM
no the stock market is not manipulated. It is a complex thing. Basically company does well people buy or hold the stock and it goes up. Mass sell off it drops like a brick. the stock market has averaged a 7 to 8% gain over 10 years. So many things play into stock prices. Debt, expenses, with wireless amount you add and lose. Your reinvestment into new things and on and on.
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Jayshmay

Aug 10, 2010, 11:46 PM
You definetly enlightened me some.

Though as sad as it is, I still feel that we live in a world ruled by stock rather than customers. I miss the way things were 70, 80, yrs ago, when the customer mattered more than corporate policies!
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wombough

Aug 11, 2010, 4:01 PM
thanks and true. But we are the entitlement generation and want want want if its not damn near free then we complain. All the people that think wireless is something different than landline and any other utility is the cause of price increase and other things. When they give the people that think they been a good paying customer for 5 years that entitles them to something like its not what your suppose to do when you get a service it causes ripples. I would love for them people to call their electric company and say I been paying my bill for 10 years on time I want 10% off my bill a month now. Would love to hear that conversation. But wireless is just another service and until everyone realizes that they will drive up cost and will pay in t...
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ygbhen

Aug 14, 2010, 3:26 PM
It actually has less to do with what you are talking about and more to do with the fact that current commercial CDMA is at its end. VZ has to make that switch faster to compete with the GSM carriers. ATT could actually follow HSPA+ up to 42 mbps and maintain the speeds that VZ will offer in the first couple of years of LTE. T Mobile will be utilizing this strategy as well and has already beaten WiMax (a 4G technology) in speedtests around the country. It has nothing to do with being aggressive. ATT and TMobile do not have to rush. The technology that they use will allow for them to milk it out even further on their exising systems while transitioning smoothly over to LTE in the future. You are too caught up on names and symbols (LTE, 4G, etc...
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