speck said:
Canada is awesome... they're like the potheads of the world...

In blissful apathy year long...

I don't know, man. I live in Edmonton and I'm not very blissful or apathetic towards our -40 degree winter weather. So you might want to amend that statement to around half the year.

I'll agree with the pothead theory, though, from personal experience if nothing else ;)

You better do some research on the "healthcare rocks" theory. I met and know quite a few Canadians who don't share that sentiment. Manyof them go to the US and pay for health care.

YOu would be better off in Denmark...with regard to healthcare.

ummm how much do co-pay before seeing the Doctor?

We pay zip, zilch, nadda..oh, did I miss ZERO?

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I don't pay 45% in taxes either to pay for the privilege and opportunity to wait months before a needed surgery.

Great Health care insurance at $400 a month is much less then paying 10x that in taxes for crappy health care. Do the math. Unless you are poor, Canadian health care makes no sense after the taxes. Id rather pay 25% taxes and $4000 a year for top line health insurance. then pay $40K or more a year in taxes for Canadian style Health care...And the medical Centers in Detroit, Niagara Fall and many other border towns will attest to that.

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Where are you getting your stats?

That's one of the funniest things I ever heard!

Scotian,

It is all over the news from several different sources, not just Fox News (you guys can watch it now hehe). You are 'paying" for your health care. You are paying for it before you even use it.

Gotta love socialism.

texaswireless said:
Scotian,

It is all over the news from several different sources, not just Fox News (you guys can watch it now hehe). You are 'paying" for your health care. You are paying for it before you even use it.

Gotta love socialism.

And those who earn more are paying more (in taxes) for the same "quality" care.....No Socialized health care Canadian style is no bargain.

I'll take choice....

texaswireless said:
Scotian,
not just Fox News (you guys can watch it now hehe).

Are you for real? we've been watchin' fox just as long as you dumbass. Get with the times! 🤣

Actually Fox News Channel was banned until recently by several Canadian television providers.

http://www.proudtobecanadian.ca/threads/showflat.php ... »

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/Columnists/Toronto/Pet ... »

http://www.ccta.ca/english/View.asp?t=&x=150&id=331 »

Before you resort to making foolish statements and childish name calling why don't you get your facts straight.

Yeah it was banned, but was still available by satellite to many people.

Available by satellite from American providers. According to the articles I linked their state-run systems (cable and satellite) were not allowed to offer the channel in their lineup.

There were close to 20 different articles all stating the same thing. I chose to link only 3 including the state run regulation body.

Gotta love censorship.

Yup, keep crap from my country 🙂 There is a reason to block Fox news, and that is because it is biased, and far right wing. The US also blocks things as well that it doesnt want its citizens to see. For example middle eastern stations. You dont want their right wing crap and we dont want American right wing crap.
How many Canadian stations do American stations not broadcast? Probably most of them. Each country has its own stations and its own regulatory board. Americans freak out over a bare breast on superboal, and in Canada our stations broadcast porn at 10-12:00 on french stations.
I really dont think people around the world should watch FOX that much, they would realize how arrgant, protectionist and racist (a small portion) of societ...
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There is a reason to censor? Not sure what that could be. Can't intelligent Canadians make up their own mind instead of their government doing it for them. Obviously people there want to see it, the application for the authorization to broadcast the channel cited such demand. What are you afraid of if they actually allow that channel to be shown? If you don't like it guess what, you have the choice to turn it off.

Oh and BTW, there are quite a few Arab TV broadcasts here locally, as well as Hispanic, French, British, CANADIEN, Indian, Japanese, Chinese and pretty much and other reasonably sized nationality you might think. Supply and demand dictate what channels are shown here by providers, not a government agency. If you really wa...
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Exactly, that is what we elect our government for, to make decisions for us. I'm proud of my government, when we decided we didnt want to attack innocent people with little reason our government said no. When the majority of Americans were against wars in Viet Nam or Iraq for example your government went against the majority. Governments make the best decisions for their own people, what will best help the nation out. Even if it does not please everybody, decisons must be made that will be best for a nation. The FCC makes decisons that upset people all of the time in your nation. Every nation has its own reasons for what they decide to make avaialable to thier public. Obviosuly the CRTC had reasons why they decided not to air FOX. That fact...
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texaswireless said:
Scotian,

It is all over the news from several different sources, not just Fox News (you guys can watch it now hehe). You are 'paying" for your health care. You are paying for it before you even use it.

Gotta love socialism.

do you know what propaganda means that what fox news provides on the 10pm evening news

pointblank500 said:

texaswireless said:
Scotian,

It is all over the news from several different sources, not just Fox News (you guys can watch it now hehe). You are 'paying" for your health care. You are paying for it before you even use it.

Gotta love socialism.

do you know what propaganda means that what fox news provides on the 10pm evening news

no they provide the alternate propaganda CNN and the big three networks have been providing for years.

believe what you want about Canadian health care but when my babies are sick i don't need to worry about paying a co-pay all i need to do is pat 5$ for a prescription and insurance pays the rest

pointblank500 said:
believe what you want about Canadian health care but when my babies are sick i don't need to worry about paying a co-pay all i need to do is pat 5$ for a prescription and insurance pays the rest

I'll gladly make the co pay and get seen by a doctor today and surgery tomorrow if needed. And as well keep more of my own income in my pocket.

I'll gladly make the co pay and get seen by a doctor today and surgery tomorrow if needed. And as well keep more of my own income in my pocket.


you talk about surgery, if someone needs surgery they get it. if your talking about heart or something like that no matter where you are US or CAN you need to wait for the right donor. i don't know anyone that waited an unusually long time

Well...on the news recently someone got a letter stating they were ready to do the surgery. But umm, the person had been dead for oooh, 6 months? 😳

Rathrok said:
Well...on the news recently someone got a letter stating they were ready to do the surgery. But umm, the person had been dead for oooh, 6 months? 😳

As opposed to the current method in the US, wherein those who are either rich or have good health insurance get anything they need as soon as they need it, but anybody who doesn't have insurance can either wait until they can pay for it (and for a lot of procedures six months past dead will just about work out) or they can go ahead and pay for it the rest of their lives--sacrificing future standard of living for the privilege of living at all.

I'll take the Canadian model any day--that whole "you might have to WAIT for HEALTH CARE!!" scare ...
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Aleq said:

Rathrok said:
Well...on the news recently someone got a letter stating they were ready to do the surgery. But umm, the person had been dead for oooh, 6 months? 😳

As opposed to the current method in the US, wherein those who are either rich or have good health insurance get anything they need as soon as they need it, but anybody who doesn't have insurance can either wait until they can pay for it (and for a lot of procedures six months past dead will just about work out) or they can go ahead and pay for it the rest of their lives--sacrificing future standard of living for the privilege of living at all.

I'll take the Canadian model any day--that whole "you might have to

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muchdrama said:

Aleq said:

Rathrok said:
Well...on the news recently someone got a letter stating they were ready to do the surgery. But umm, the person had been dead for oooh, 6 months? 😳

As opposed to the current method in the US, wherein those who are either rich or have good health insurance get anything they need as soon as they need it, but anybody who doesn't have insurance can either wait until they can pay for it (and for a lot of procedures six months past dead will just about work out) or they can go ahead and pay for it the rest of their lives--sacrificing future standard of living for the privilege of living at all.

I'll take the Canadian model an

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Aleq said:

muchdrama said:

Aleq said:

Rathrok said:
Well...on the news recently someone got a letter stating they were ready to do the surgery. But umm, the person had been dead for oooh, 6 months? 😳

As opposed to the current method in the US, wherein those who are either rich or have good health insurance get anything they need as soon as they need it, but anybody who doesn't have insurance can either wait until they can pay for it (and for a lot of procedures six months past dead will just about work out) or they can go ahead and pay for it the rest of their lives--sacrificing future standard of living for the privilege of living at all.

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Lucky schmuck... I've been looking at New Zealand as well, but the ozone hole is worrisome...

Oh, sorry, I mean the alleged ozone hole that isn't going to affect us a bit and actually doesn't really exist, or so Fox News tells us... 🙄

Yeah Fox probaby would say that is just an excuse by the terrorists, and enviromentalist hippies to get the US to stop spending money on the military and industries.

F*ck Fox, and the horse they rode in on! 😈

Aleq said:
Oh, sorry, I mean the alleged ozone hole that isn't going to affect us a bit and actually doesn't really exist, or so Fox News tells us... 🙄

Fox News is a hand puppet for the devil.

muchdrama said:

Aleq said:
Oh, sorry, I mean the alleged ozone hole that isn't going to affect us a bit and actually doesn't really exist, or so Fox News tells us... 🙄

Fox News is a hand puppet for the devil.

No wonder everything they say smells so gross! 🙄

You have Smellavision? 😳 I want it too!

But its flashy, and people seem to know what they are talking about. The station makes things so simple to understand.... thats exactly it!! It feeds on those not willing to look for an alternative opinion. There are many out there if one looks around. Just read an article online from a few different sources and look at thier spins. Then do yourself a favour and find out who owns the company and what theri opinions are. Also who are the controlling shareholders, and where do their political donations go. News is all biased. Just read more then one companies take on things before making an opinion.

IF you ever have to use them...

Anyway we like our system you like yours. And we are all glad that our way works for us.

An economic overview of America's system is: 42 million people are not covered, the various health care plans place rigid limitations on which doctors and hospitals people can use, cost-saving measures are forcing patients out of hospital beds prematurely, administrative costs are approaching 25% of the health care dollar, managed care is generally structured such that physicians have incentives to cut costs and gain revenue by withholding care, and many Americans live in fear of losing whatever care they have.

Our current system is based on the power of the insurance industry to stifle any challenges from alternatives. They advocate a competitive ...
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OUCH! well said!

OH BTW, that was toward Pointblank.

what is also very true, is that less of Canada's total spending percentage goes towards health care then the US. The US does fund some health care through taxes and it is not run as efficiently as the Canadian system. Personally as a student I dont pay taxes and still get free health care.
And no death taxes here, or lotto taxes. Things all balance out. We spend on health and education you spend on military and research

Spending on health is $4,270 (U.S.) per capita in the U.S. and $2,250 in Canada. That's 13 per cent of the gross domestic product in the U.S. and 9.1 per cent in Canada.

speck said:
I like canada... Once you accept that they're just there... and noty to expect anything..> Canada is awesome... they're like the potheads of the world...

In blissful apathy year long...

Don't forget the beer too.

LOL... Come back 40 years later and become pres.

I hate to break it to you but it is the congressional democrats who push for another draft, not any republican, including Bush. Canadian healthcare = lower the price artificially watch demand exceed supply = long waiting lists for important surgeries. Basic economics backed up by the stats.

Rathrok said:
It may be free....but if you need some sort of major surgery or transplant, expect to wait a very long time. Probably be dead by the time you get the surgery.

you need to stop watching the fox new (the news texaswireless likes) b/c your being pumped full of bills*$t

Actually I did not see it on Fox news. I get my news from many sources and decide for myself what is what. Go back to watching CNN 🙄

poor you 🤣

How could that be "poor you"? I'd rather get news from many sources and decide for myself which is spin and which is unbiased. I understand things are so censored up there that this may be foreign to you.

i feel sorry for you ..for some reason you think we live in different world......you need to get with the times my friend and realize that we all get the same info from the same places. you are not telling me anything i haven't already heard before but thing is you BELEIVE EVERYTHING YOU HEAR. If you think for a minute that we (Canadians) don't hear stuff going on in the US you highly mistaken. the difference it we are able to understand you can't believe everything you hear. you talk a good game but its obvious you don't actually look at the sources you read /see on an unbias manner.

Please read exactly what you posted earlier. You accused me of getting all of my news from one source. I simply reiterated that I don't rely on one source. If you truly believe that all news is the same, then you are really naive.

as far as t.v we watch the same news as far as channels go.





just so you this debate is all in fun and i so sincerely enjoy it

Rathrok said:
It may be free....but if you need some sort of major surgery or transplant, expect to wait a very long time. Probably be dead by the time you get the surgery.

Gee, and how many of those major surgeries have you had to have, as opposed to non-major, day to day health care needs? Not to mention how many major surgeries are the result of a lack of basic preventative and diagnostic care in the FIRST PLACE.

As for transplants, until you can buy parts on Ebay your access to a transplant in the US will depend on your status on the list as well as the tissue matching of available donor methods, it has NOTHING to do with socialized health care... 🙄

Exactly!!! I have not had a major surgery.
A fond memory of the health care system for me was when my grandfather had cancer. It was inoperable, regardless of what country you were in. However, he was able to get free care for months, they even had a nurse come to his house for free everyday. When he was in the hospital the family did not go bankrupt over it, and my grandmother still had money to live comfortable afterwards. It's nice to have free Health Care.

I'll stick to my health plan...and save money in the end compared to the "free" healthcare in Canada.

Rathrok said:
I'll stick to my health plan...and save money in the end compared to the "free" healthcare in Canada.

Yeah, I wonder how much you'd like your health plan, or find it affordable, if there were no employer contribution to it. Would you be willing to stop paying your rent or mortgage in order to be able to afford health care? No? Well, nice for you you aren't in that position, because millions of Americans are. Enjoy your little tunnel vision view there, because as long as YOU'RE set, it's all good, right? 🙄

Actually, I've priced health insurance before. My employer doesn't offer the best plan, so I do pay a decent amount as it is. If they weren't paying in, I could still find a similar plan on my own and afford it just fine.

If you're that bad off, to where you need to sacrifice everything else just to pay for health insurance, than maybe you're living beyond your means? Or maybe you need to pick up a second job. Or become a citizen in mexico, have your citizen status revoked here, then cross the border and get free health-care at the expense of my tax dollar for being an illegal alien.

Rathrok said:
Actually, I've priced health insurance before. My employer doesn't offer the best plan, so I do pay a decent amount as it is. If they weren't paying in, I could still find a similar plan on my own and afford it just fine.

If you're that bad off, to where you need to sacrifice everything else just to pay for health insurance, than maybe you're living beyond your means? Or maybe you need to pick up a second job. Or become a citizen in mexico, have your citizen status revoked here, then cross the border and get free health-care at the expense of my tax dollar for being an illegal alien.

Hey, how 'bout those "preexisting conditions" insurance companies are so fond of refusing to accept? ...
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When you figure out a way to change the world, give me a call. Until then, yes it is only about ME, because that is the only thing I can control. How do you like them apples?

Technically it's changing the views of one country not the world... Which most Americans think the way you do... So I guess it's a lost cause. 🙄

Hey...I'm all for socialism. But the lazy assses and the trust fund babies wouldn't like that system. So I guess we're stuck.

Rathrok said:
When you figure out a way to change the world, give me a call. Until then, yes it is only about ME, because that is the only thing I can control. How do you like them apples?

Well golly, Sport, the way we change things here in America is by getting involved, becoming aware and VOTING. Fortunately, the rest of the world doesn't suffer from the recto-cranial inversion we here in the US enjoy on this subject. Therefore, it's a much simpler task than the one you posit.

And in the meantime, you might want to reflect on the fact that most of us are at most a couple of paychecks away from living under a bridge, that nothing is terribly secure or stable, and that the universe tends to give you ba...
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temp said:
silly canadians, healthcare is for kids

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ROFL
You win the thread.

inACW said:

temp said:
silly canadians, healthcare is for kids

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ROFL
You win the thread.

yay......i want a cookie

If I had the choice between :

Being a Canadian or Being an American . . .

I would choose to be Canadian Hands-Down,
no doubt about it.

ATT_IS_DEAD said:
If I had the choice between :

Being a Canadian or Being an American . . .

I would choose to be Canadian Hands-Down,
no doubt about it.

And so your wish comes true....as all should.


Now if we could only get those on the southern border to dream the same dream....

ATT_IS_DEAD said:
If I had the choice between :

Being a Canadian or Being an American . . .

I would choose to be Canadian Hands-Down,
no doubt about it.

you left out the "aye" 😁

My plan has 450 mins, shared plan @ 69.99 with unlimited between us. NO roaming anywhere in Canada, 0.15/min to call States, unlimited web usage and texting as well. OH, N&W starting at 6pm.

what carrier is that through? That sounds better than what I've seen.

inACW said:
what carrier is that through? That sounds better than what I've seen.

Inside hook up 😉

darn! 🙂

fido hahahahahahahahahahaha, too bad for some pple but it isn't available for too long from now 😈