No word on that cingular is always changing there mind on pricing that is always the most heavly debated topic is prcing. PTT intergration is being debated I doubt it will be with verizon they do not like to get involved in inteercarrier things until they are forced. T-Mobile is always in the mix

yea, i belive that there could be a push to talk integration among the gsm carriers. cingular/att wireless and tmobile.

But why not with CDMA carriers? In my opinion if they can integrate MMS and SMS intercarrier then they can do PTT.

well i think mms and sms are a bit differnt with intecarrier then with push to talk. why? becuase i think it will be very difficult to get push to talk on the gsm network the same to the solution on the cdma/iden networks. with mms and sms you dont need to tweak many things, however, with push to talk you do. what if there is a huge delay from gsm to cdma/iden and vice versa? its a big problem. plus i dont think there are any phones that can do that yet.

i just dont think that cingular should be focusing so much on push to talk becuase its pretty much covered with nextel, sprint and verizon. i think cingular should just focus more on data arpu and data applications. fyi as a combined company cingular/att wireless' data arpu is $3.70.

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Im not saying its going to happen in the near future. Maybe in a couple of years or so. Why shouldnt Cingular focus on it? They would be the first US GSM carrier to do so. PTT is solidly covered by Nextel so why did VZW and Sprint pick it up? I think in a couple of years almost anything will be possible in the wireless world. Where did you get that arpu figure from?

something i wanted to show you with regards to the intercarrier push to talk..

this is an article from last year at this time, but you will get the idea. http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-5196781.ht ml

its from april 2004, so its only a year old.

"For nearly a decade, Nextel Communications' DirectConnect was the only push-to-talk service available worldwide. But in the last year or so, Sprint and Verizon Wireless have launched rival services. Still, there are no intercarrier push-to-talk calls.

Gateways represent a much quicker solution for carriers than waiting for a standard to be finalized and adopted, a process that could take years from inception to showing up in products, he said. But gateways are expensive to buy and ...
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nextel18 said:
let me ask you this question. nextel is the pinioneer with push to talk, why doesnt nextel get into the mobile to mobile network? your answer will be the same, probably, to why cingular shoudlnt get into the ptt market.

i got their data arpu from their conference call that is going now, and press releases.

Nextel doenst need to get into M2M. Why? Because they are strictly focused on business but are "open" to consumers. Businesses are going to pay for the minutes they use and will get the calling plan accordingly. Consumers most of the time will get a calling plan below what they think tehy will talk and count on M2M so they dont go over their minutes. A business will get a 5000 minutes...
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nextel doesnt get into the m2m market for a few reasons.

1. they have the best push to talk in the industry
2. they would get destroyed if they would get into it especially since other carriers have a bigger market share.

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m2m would help to add onto push to talk, becuase the people who want to talk on the ptt and on the m2m can do so. it would be a good idea if cingular and others werent in the m2m game, but since they are, its a waste of money and time.

if they had m2m you would see lower voice arpu? not really. m2m helps increase arpu actually and same with push to talk.

How would it not lower arpu? If I were a consumer and all of my friends and family had Nextel I would probably go for the lowest plan because M2M would be free and I wouldnt have to worry about going over my minutes. If theres no M2M then I would be forced to go with a higher rate plan because I know I would use alot of minutes talking to friends and family. That goes for businesses as well. If I were an employer looking to get Nextel for my company and they had M2M I would probablt go with the cheapest plans possible because we could talk amongst each other for free and not have to worry about minutes. Without M2M I would have to get higher rate plans so we could all keep in touch. I do see what you're saying though on have PTT instead of M...
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why would it not lower arpu? well if you compare push to talk plans to m2m plans they are pretty similiar with pricing.


with some ptt plans you have unlmited so you wont go over your mins anyway.

most people when they come to nextel dont pick the lowest plan, they go with the best plan that suits them. also if nextel were to include m2m in their plans, they would increase the price for that functionality. thus; arpu would go up. you think companies would give things for free especially if it uses up a lot of bandwidth as opposed to ptt that doesnt. (on nextel's network)

why would you want m2m when you can have push to talk? m2m is a delay, the quality wont be as good, not instant, could drop. push to talk has a great range, no d...
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Very good points but not everyone is going to use PTT. Not everyone wants everyone else to hear their convo.

nextel18 said:

most people when they come to nextel dont pick the lowest plan, they go with the best plan that suits them. also if nextel were to include m2m in their plans, they would increase the price for that functionality. thus; arpu would go up. you think companies would give things for free especially if it uses up a lot of bandwidth as opposed to ptt that doesnt. (on nextel's network)

Exactly what I was trying to say. If there was M2M you would see people going for lower rate plans but it does make sense when you said they would probably raise the price of that plan. So good point...
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"Very good points but not everyone is going to use PTT. Not everyone wants everyone else to hear their convo."

why not everyone? out of nextel's 16.2 million or so customers 85 percent uses direct connect exclusivly. there is a speakerphone.


"Exactly what I was trying to say. If there was M2M you would see people going for lower rate plans but it does make sense when you said they would probably raise the price of that plan. So good point. Its exactly what Cingular did in a way. They now have a huge demand for their service because of the merger so why not raise the rate plans if people are going to get them anyway? (rhetorical question) "

with nextel there would be a dual capability. 1. push to talk as standard.
2. m2m but you...
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Pay to have M2M? Hmm I could see it but no more than like $5-$8 more a month. But look at it like this...


I have a 2000 Min $199.99/month plan because I need those mins to talk to other Nextel customers and a small amout of other people. Nextel begins to offer M2M for $5-$8 more a month. That means I can jump down to a $49.99 a month plan then add M2M which would be soooo much cheaper. But it really depends on how much they charge for M2M. So in a way we are both right.

I personally know about 10 people around me that have Nextel and yeah they chirp all the time but tehy also use it as a phone alot too. Maybe where you are people mostly chirp. So again we are both right, we are just around different people. Plus you work for Nextel ...
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"Pay to have M2M? "

of course you pay to have m2m. its the same if you want push to talk or any other functionality. 5-8 bucks per month. still it INCREASES arpu.

why would you want a 2k anytime min plan for 199 per month? by the way if your talking about the unlmited plan for 199 per month you actually have unlmited mins. you dont need 2k anytime mins to talk to other nextel people, becuase you have unlmited DC. ok if you jump to the 49.99 plan and ad 6 bucks your arpu goes to 55.99. which INCREASES arpu.

I was just making up the Nextel plans. I dont know them at all. But anyway, maybe Im misunderstanding ARPU. So you're saying that if I was on a $199.99 plan then dropped down to a $49.99 plan and added M2M that would be an increase in ARPU? I always thought dropping down price plans would lower the ARPU. I could be wrong though. Oh well... 😳

yea, your mis-understanding arpu. when a company calculates arpu they add the total AVERAGE of the whole wireless carrier adds. (arpu= average rate per user) the majority of nextel users DO NOT get the 200 dollar plan. when one changes from 200 to 50 it doesnt impact their arpu as much becuase there are other people who are getting highier then 60 dollar plans. the majority of nextel's adds are above $68. hence their arpu= $68.

OK cool...You're not so bad today Nextel...Did you have a female visitor last night? 😛

hahah. i always have many girls over my house 🙂 but besides the point, if someone is nice to me, then i will be nice to them. i have been saying that many many many times, but people seem to ignore it.

This kid claims to be wealthy, have wealthy friends, knowledgeable in M&A,big,etc etc and now he claims he has a lot of girls over his house ALL the time.........and is 21.....Well I would say Daddy is successful, He's overheard some of Daddys business calls,Has a bunk bed......and a lot of sisters.. ...Yeah Im jealous. 🤣 🤣 🙄

lol yep your jealous.. sorry 🙂

why are you so immature? everyone else is talking about a company while your talking about me? i dont get it.

nextel18 said:
why are you so immature? everyone else is talking about a company while your talking about me? i dont get it.

You talk about YOU more than anyone, son.

no, its becuase people like YOU are jealous of people like me.

You have nothing to be envious of. I know how much you want others to envy you. Its pretty clear.

But thanks I have a great life and would not switch places with anyone. I am one of the fortunate who actually can say that.

BTW my fortune has nothing to do with finance, women, cars, or business deals.

alright my friend.

you are wrong at everything.

1. you are wrong with broadband
2. wrong with push to talk.

enough already. seriously. all you are is a consumer with no wireless business sense. just stop, and stop talking about me. (i dont get it, if you say your not jealous of me THEN STOP TALKING ABOUT ME and making threads about me)

so far you are the only one who is actually doing that. show some maturity please, if not go hop away.

I'm just voicing what others are thinking, son.


And yes if Cingular implement's great PTT technology Nextel is in trouble.

And yes Broadband has not taken over dial up in a great majority in many households to date. It will when its priced to compete with dial up. Carrier broadband @$80 per month will not overtake $30 in home broadband.

And yes Im a lowly customer...but for someone who claims to be a player in the business you are proven wrong with actual facts based on current technology more than I with mere predictions.

I predicted last year Cingular would overtake Verizon in adds and was laughed at and ridiculed............sometimes common sense prevails over pseudo knowledge

you predicted that cingular would overtake verizon? well they didnt. they didnt do it by organic growth. THEY DID IT BY BUYING SOMEONE. there is a huge difference.


i prove you wrong on everything.

ok last time

1. your wrong about everything
2. your comment about broadband is false (and wireless bb too)
3. your wrong about push to talk. (with push to talk with cingular and push to talk globally)

wrong wrong wrong...

stick with your consumer title.

bye now.

Cingular is beating Verizon in net adds last quarter and will do it again this quarter. what does that have to do with bying ATTWS. If anything ATTWS is an albratross around their neck.

My predictions about PTT will not be wrong until its proven wrong. Something you have not done. Something you cannot do. Cingular will bury Nextel if they get a capable PTT technology inplace. Verizon would do the same. Nextel is an also ran niche player. Thats a fact.

Even a lowly consumer can see that......

oh you ment total adds ok..

"Cingular is beating Verizon in net adds last quarter and will do it again this quarter. "

by the way, verizon didnt report yet. so you cant say anything yet.

"My predictions about PTT will not be wrong until its proven wrong. Something you have not done. Something you cannot do. Cingular will bury Nextel if they get a capable PTT technology inplace. Verizon would do the same. Nextel is an also ran niche player. Thats a fact. "

wrong. push to talk and broadband will be a huge success. cingular, verizon, sprint, anyone else wont distroy nextel's push to talk. keep dreaming my friend. nextel is a niche player in the PTT market. means that they have a huge play in the ptt, which means not many people if ...
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nextel18 said:
oh you ment total adds ok..

"Cingular is beating Verizon in net adds last quarter and will do it again this quarter. "

by the way, verizon didnt report yet. so you cant say anything yet.

"My predictions about PTT will not be wrong until its proven wrong. Something you have not done. Something you cannot do. Cingular will bury Nextel if they get a capable PTT technology inplace. Verizon would do the same. Nextel is an also ran niche player. Thats a fact. "

wrong. push to talk and broadband will be a huge success. cingular, verizon, sprint, anyone else wont distroy nextel's push to talk. keep dreaming my friend. nextel is a niche player in the PTT market. means that they have a huge play in the p

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i dont care, what you have to say about my grammar. isnt that interesting, i say that much and you say that stupid sentence.

remember? online i dont care what people thing about my grammar or anything...

I no its hard to liv in a wurld wear evryone is not perfekt but da massage iz stil undurstud an dats awl dat reelly matturs ya know.......

Too lazy to use spell check or go tptyping school.

Sorry...

Grammar and spelling does not matter so much in a forum, I do agree with that. These are not business communiques and I for one look past the spelling or grammar. Can I understand the point?

Go down south and listen to a PHD talk or NYC....People will come to false conclusions based on many things outside the actual message. I focus on the message. Especially in these types of communications.

A mis-spelled word here and there an incomplete sentence or misused adjective is not something I will use to render the message void of credibility and thought. That's too easy. Only the content.

You use facts and you are still wrong in many cases...LOL I'd rather be me and make predictions based on personal observation...so far my track record is pretty good.

Nextel is a niche player in PTT ONLY because they are the only reliable and good PTT company. As soon as Cingy or Verizon gets to the same level of PTT technology, there will be NO reason to stay with Nextel. People will want that on a LARGER NATIONWIDE network at cheaper rates....Thats not based on fact..but common sense. Nextel will have to lowr their rates or keep adds up to hold on to the churn..neither of which will happen when there are other choices...You sound like those at Verizon who were so sure they would get massive ATTWS port ins due to Cingualar/ATTWS terrible...
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you are a broken record. just keep repeating yourself.

again, your wrong and always be wrong.

thats it. done.

nextel18 said:
you are a broken record. just keep repeating yourself.

again, your wrong and always be wrong.

thats it. done.

OMG you ARE wearing the same blinders those at Verizon have been wearing......No wonder you relate and gush about Verizon to those guys so well!

Well then you deserve what is happening to them. but Nextel can't afford to take the hits Verizon is taking....Thats not good for you...Those girls may stop coming over everyday...Oh I forgot they are your sisters.They are always there.

hahahahaha. right, keep thinking that, my friend.

I hate to defend Nextel but there was no need for you to post about him. That comment about the girls was from a comment that I made to him. We have been having a good conversation and you had to hop in. There was no need for it. Hes actually doing a lot better today. So hop back to your pad and come back when you can actually jump in the convo with something that has to do with the convo.

see, what i mean how people start it?

i think its becuase i said that he was wrong with his estimates on broadband and push to talk. (i posted 2 or 3 links on that showing otherwise)

what i am suprised is that the other person where i said that there wasnt a no latency trial in europe over the grps network didnt bash me. see when it comes to maturity?

I can't believe I am doing this but...

Kingfrog77, your post was completely unnecessary and way out of line. Nextel18 may be a fountain of misinformation sometimes, but you just added fuel to his paranoia with that post.

You want to dispute his facts, go ahead. The personal attacks from left field are just childish. In this case nextel18 wasn't saying anything about anyone else. He may have made some personal embellishments that are hard to swallow, but it isn't your job to point them out when it is completely off topic.

Cingular wants to have PTT and M2M to give customer the option of paying for PTT or free m2m. They really want to advertise their PTT as being worldwide. It has been tested throughout europe and it worked with no lag. they think they can steal B2B custoemrs from Nextel that way. T-mobile is not that strong on the business side and that would help their ARPU.

their push to talk wont be worldwide lol... it has been tested throughout europe and it worked with no lag? any sources? i dont belive that sorry. they dont even have an international gateway to do that sort of thing. only nextel has with qchat.


see the problem is with thinking. nextel's lifetime revenue per user and churn state that the customers dont leave and that will be the case. cingular will be wasiting their time and money doing push to talk. why have push to talk when you have the best m2m in the land? doesnt make sense to me.

Can you explain to me how you compare PTT to M2M? I dont undestand how/why you're comparing them. Mobile to mobile is being able to talk on the phone to other Cingular customers for free. Push to talk give them the ability to chirp to one another instead of making a call. They want PTT beacuse it is a popular feature and will make money from it. I personally will get a PTT phone and plan when they roll it out. If Nextel had better coverage where I live I would have been with them a long time ago because I think PTT is a neat feature.

how i compare ptt and m2m?

well you cant really compare it, but i will try to.

they are both important to consumers. 1 people who want to talk in short intervals and getting things done or 2. people who want to have a long conversation. (fyi with nextel you can talk as long as you want)

fyi, push to talk you can talk to others for free too.

if they want push to talk it is a great feature thats fast, secure, instant, reliable then m2m. m2m is phone tag, ptt is not. the problem is with those carriers is that they roll out 1 or 2 phones with push to talk. what if your friends dont want to upgrade? then whats the use of ptt. see the thing is with nextel all of the phones are push to talk capable so you dont have to tell your buddy ...
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i didnt see how to compare it either but you kept saying "why should Cingular get PTT when they have the best M2M out there...?"

I realize tht you can talk for free with PTT but like I said not everyone will want to chirp all day long and have people hear their convos. Thats just my opinion...

If I had it I would use it for quick messages and not hold long convos on it.

I live in Lynchburg, VA 24501 (dont laugh). Nextel is available but at the time when I got my phone it wasnt as developed as it is now. When Sprint/Nextel finalizes Ill probably try them out for a while (but shhh dont tell anyone on this forum).

And of course I want a friend to talk to. i dont want to chirp to myself. That would look just weird... 😳

the problem when companies get both is what? increasing in capex. increase in phones. what does that mean for consumers? increase in price and functionality. why would someone who uses m2m use push to talk and why would htey pay extra? i wouldnt.

push to talk is to have either or (you can talk to someone for a long time or short), but also you can talk to someone for 30 seconds or talk to someone for 5 hours.

hmm the state that nextel's hq is in and you dont get any service? hmm thats hard to belive lol..

lol chirp to yourself lol.. that would be interesting.

i looked on the map and you are covered a lot. (i looked on my cell site data base and it shows there are cell sites in your area)

can you tell me whats the SQ miles o...
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Why cant I use M2M and PTT? If im in a public place and dont want everyone to hear me telling my girlfriend to pick something up on the way home then I will call her and talk for those 30 secs. If theres not too many people around then I might chirp her. If I need to have a long convo with someone I will call them instead of keep chirping them.

I said that when I signed up with my cell service in this area a few years ago, the service wasnt that great from what people told me. Its good now but theres no point in switching because I would rather jsut wait for the merger to roll out.

I have no idea what the sq miles of Lynchburg are. I just know that a few years ago Nextel wasnt the greatest but they have picked up since then.

"If im in a public place and dont want everyone to hear me telling my girlfriend to pick something up on the way home then I will call her and talk for those 30 secs."

so put the speaker off and talk directly into the handset. you dont have to talk to up to 30 seconds it was just an example.


"Its good now but theres no point in switching because I would rather jsut wait for the merger to roll out.

I have no idea what the sq miles of Lynchburg are. I just know that a few years ago Nextel wasnt the greatest but they have picked up since then."

why would there be no point in switching? it doesnt make sense. by the way in nextel's state for their HQ they should have it pretty much all covered. you obviously live there so you would...
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I actually didnt know that you could turn the speaker off when chirping. I guess Ive just never seen anyone do it.

And as for switching now, I didnt think there would be a point because I thought the merger would be done by the summer and if I did switch I would have to get a new phone by then or around that time. Correct me if Im wrong though. How is the merger going to work with people who get Nextel now and have to switch when the merger completes and rolls out?

"i actually didnt know that you could turn the speaker off when chirping. I guess Ive just never seen anyone do it."

hahah. yea, you can do that. you can get a handset for it to attach to your ear. lol... people just dont do it becuase i guess they dont want to get the accessory and make everyone get annoyed with the conversation and the chirping lol.. but thats against nextel's etiquette policy. people are getting better with that though.

"And as for switching now, I didnt think there would be a point because I thought the merger would be done by the summer and if I did switch I would have to get a new phone by then or around that time. Correct me if Im wrong though. How is the merger going to work with people who get Nextel now an...
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I thought Nextel was switching over to CDMA when the merger completes and bringing their QChat with them and phase out iDen a whole lot sooner than 2008?

Well actually now that I think about it Cingular does still use their TDMA when they converted like 2-3 years ago. But I would want to be up to date and not on their old network anyway. Ill switch when the time is right. Unless you wanna hook me up with a i860 and no deposit, then we may be able to talk.

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I thought Nextel was switching over to CDMA when the merger completes and bringing their QChat with them and phase out iDen a whole lot sooner than 2008?
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in 2007-2008 they will start to migrate over to the cdma network with qchat, but they arent phasing out iden.

"Unless you wanna hook me up with a i860 and no deposit, then we may be able to talk."

cough boost cough.

how do you know if your credit is bad?

haha trust me its bad. I screwed it up in college 2 years ago and am slowly rebuilding it. The only reason I went with SunCom last year was because there was some fluke with their system to where I didnt have a deposit. But I had a $1000 Alltel deposit, $750 Cingular (if I hadnt migrated), $150 Sprint, $200 Nextel, amd $800 with Verizon. So yeah its bad. But I have a good job now and am trying to rebuild it.

F*** boost mobile. I would rather pay a deposit then get prepaid. You spend a lot more on prepaid then you do with postpaid. Speaking of Boost, can you take a Boost phone and somehow use it with Nextel? In other words can you use Boost with Nextel postpaid somehow?

hey, boost mobile is great, especially if you using it just for direct connect. only 1.50 per day nationwide access. with your question, lets just say you can do that, however, i cant tell you how, becuase i belive its illegal.

So if you got an anonymous email or phone call from "someone" wanting to know how would you be able to help them out? Or would you be able to accidently let m--I mean them know where I can find out how on the internet?

no, sorry. lol.. lol.. you should just get a nextel phone and thats it. try to get the new program with account spending.

If Anyone gets PTT as good as Nextel.I have always said Nextel would be in trouble. They cannot compete toe to toe with their small network. Cingular is more widely used has a larger coverage area and one would not have to have a "businees" phone and a personal phone.

Walkie talkie phones are a gimmick for the average user. Who wants evertone to hear their conversations? Why not make the free M2M private call instead? Its sort of like text messaging, only worse. At least for all your trouble, with text messages you have privacy and QUIET...Both of which you lose with PTT.....Business use primarily and Cingular or Verizon is more apt to get NATIONAL business accounts with PTT on local levels....

A lot of people feel how u do about PTT. Nut most customer do ot care but cingular is focused on retainingg and gaining those high dollar business accounts. PTT over GPRS was tested overseas without a lag but they were alittle nervous about the stability of GPRS because it works when it works and doesn't work when it does not work. When it did work GPRS was pretty good for PTT.

"PTT over GPRS was tested overseas without a lag but they were alittle nervous about the stability of GPRS because it works when it works and doesn't work when it does not work. When it did work GPRS was pretty good for PTT. "

do you have proof about this?

Yeah I can defiantely see them being hesitant especially over GRPS. Its sketchy in my area...

"PTT over GPRS was tested overseas without a lag but they were alittle nervous about the stability of GPRS because it works when it works "

this is wrong. i found an article to say that your wrong..



https://www.phonescoop.com/articles/ctia_2003/index. ... »

"The Push-To-Talk hype was definitely at a fever pitch at this show. It was the phrase on the tip of everyone's tongue. The Nokia Push-To-Talk demo was interesting, although not the most impressive PTT demo at the show. The demo featured two modified 6200s. Even though the 6200 is an EDGE phone, the demo used GPRS. Nokia's PTT solution works fine over GPRS, which is good. It had about a 2-second latency, which isn't bad, considering it was supposedly relaying through a serve...
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Of course the "followers" who go to wireless conventions are going to go ya ya over new technology. But PTT is a yawn to the general public...The kids will think its cool for awhile.

Its best use is for business like outside tech reps,construction work, outdoor communication.

Nextel is the only game in town for good PTT. If any of the major (sorry nextel18, Nextel is not a major) carriers get PTT working as good in concert with what they already offer in terms of M2M and coverage etc Nextel is very likely going to see churn like they never have.

if push to talk was a yawn to the general public, why are companies worldwide deploying it?

you are already wrong with Broadband.

I think u should just stop posting.

i think not.

You are very right most peopel do not care and M2M is more than enough. But for those high end B2B custoemrs that will pay for that service and need that service and have it be worldwide it will be a major threat to nextel.

to add to that, look at this...


Market Forecasts predict 120 Million PTT users by 2007…


http://www.iee.org/OnComms/PN/communications/Griffin ... »
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another one here too


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http://www.mobileinfo.com/News_2003/Issue31/P2Tmarke ... »

Push to talk cellular revenue estimated to be $84 million in 2003 is expected to reach $10.1 billion by 2008. Push to talk cellular subscribers expected to be 2.3 million in 2003 are expected to reach 340 million by 2008.

By year-end 2003 the number of mobile subscribers is expected to reach 945 million, with growth of 30%. 200 million new subscribers were added in 2002, a growth rate of 25%.

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so your wrong about BB and ptt.

i found something else for you too.


http://www.iee.org/OnComms/PN/communications/Griffin ... »

this is about tmobile

T-Mobile presented figures on their market research in March 2004 at the
IIR Push-To-Talk World Summit in London :
l Over 50% of respondents very or extremely interested in the service
l Over 80% of respondents found the delay unacceptable
– Although 25% mentioned the delay as a major dislike
l Most customers expected to be billed per message, with billing per
minute a good second
– Billing by volume was not generally acceptable
T-Mobile has of course recently announced (28th Oct) its plans to launch
a PTT service using a Nokia solution.
Market Forecasts predict 120 Million PTT

here is something for you...


http://mrtmag.com/mag/radio_pushtotalk/ »


Competing PTT solutions for both CDMA and GSM face technical challenges that center around call latency and call set-up delays that range between three and 10 seconds, according to The Eon Group, an independent Wall Street research firm. Nextel operates a proprietary Frame Relay network that allows the carrier to connect users in less than a second.

For traditional operators, reducing the amount of time it takes for a call to set up is challenging because handsets are set to check the network every six to 10 seconds for incoming calls.

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ptt is a waste for cingular

I agree, he just got a little spooked because he heard you say Cingular is considering PTT as he should be. And also from what I hear is that it will run on GRPS which is always on unless there is coverage problems. The technology is compatible and I would not put anything past it the way technology has been going.

i showed a link where it said that grps still had a latency of about 2 seconds. so that wont cut it either. i didnt get nervous becuase its a non event. verizon and sprint has a bigger network then nextel so everyone thought they would do well, but they didnt. its a non-event.

That will take a while Verizon does not licke to share network information. Tis their exswcuse they were the last of the national carriers to integrate mms and they will be ast to integrate PTT. Sprint's PTT is not competitive it truly sucks.

sprint's push to talk is very competitive. i guess you didnt listen to the conference call. they said their sub growth for ready link has increased dramatically.

Thats why Im saying Cingular should focus on it. PTT is becoming very popular. It is very useful for businesses and is starting to become very popular with average consumers. Everywhere I go I hear "beep beep." What if a company wants to integrate PTT in their business but has no Nextel coverage and GSM is more dominant in that area?

no. cingular shouldnt focus on it. push to talk is becoming popular with nextel and sprint, not with verizon or cingular (obviously cingular).

by the way cingular's prepaid subscribers have been going down, which i dont understand why.

nextel has off network push to talk that now gives if you have no service you can have a radius of up to 6 miles. with the combine merge nextel will be on the cdma network and with 45k plus towers and plenty of spectrum the coverage would probably be better then cingular and gsm.

i just think that cingular should just focus on the prepaid market and the data market. i dont feel that push to talk would be a good idea for them.

One reason is that the "GoPhone" is not labeled as prepaid, it is labeled as hybrid. I can speak that the majority of my "prepaid" sales are GoPhones

i dont want to hear any excuses, i asked why is it going down. (the prepaid) i am listening to the conference call as well as looking at the press releases and they actually lost prepaid customers. can you answer that? (again, no excuses)

No, I am saying that most people don't want the prepaid because it is expensive, most people are chosing the GOPhone, which is hybrid, and I don't know where that would fall in the scheme of things. Also we have been getting a lot more people putting down deposits this time of the year with tax returns and all... Prepaid always seems to drop a bit first quarter then always pick back up through out the year, in my past experience.

alright. i guess that makes sense.

prepaid always drops a bit? with what carrier?

do you think 1.4 million customers that cingular got was good? what was your expectation?

I think it was good, about what I anticipated. And Prepaid has always dropped a bit in the first quarter, or at least it seems that way in my market, that was with Cingular and previously when I worked with VzW as well, mainly because people have more money in their pocket from tax returns and all so they put up their deposit.

Yeah that is definately true. I worked for a 3rd party last year around this time and we hardly did any prepaid. You could be like "well you have a $250 deposit." They would be like "thats fine because I just got my taxes back." I have a few friends that just got cell phone for the main reason that they got their tax returns back.

well, most people on here, said that cingular was going to blow my mind away. i dont see that. i am actually quite suprised with their numbers. my expectations was from 1.3 to 1.8 million. i wanted them to go towards the 1.8 million range. they suprised me with their only 1.4 million customers actually.

with the prepaid dept i want some proof though. i dont care if you say this or that, its about proving yourself. if you cant then you cant, but if you say something please back it up. (esp facts that you claim) thanks.

I am speaking from experience, like I said, this is in my area. I am not claiming it is the same everywhere... The thing is that until they offer the information about deposits put down I don't think there is a way to back it up, but I will dig and see what I can come up with.

again, its not what you experience in your home market, i am talking about NATIONWIDE and the things the company and others say. you dont think there is a way to back it up? of course there is. search for it and compare the prepaid services that boost, virgin mobile, and cingular's prepaid (and others if you want to. see when people make a claim that they cant back up, that isnt fair and its not right.

What I am saying is that I don't know if I can get something that says how many deposits we have taken... I know that I can pull it up for my own store, but I don't know about nationwide. And I never claimed it as facts, I said in my personal experience... That is why I find it fair to say it... I never claimed that it was a fact. 😕

alrighty...

I can see what I can do though 😉

now, i am not sure how cingular does their credit checks and how they assign who pays what. can you explain it to me? (i know nextel is very strict so how does cingular relate to them?)

To be honest I don't know the internal workings of the deposits, what I do know is that we are more lenient then Nextel is though. It is basically automatic. We run the check, the check gives the computer a score, based off the score there is a deposit assessed.

" It is basically automatic. We run the check, the check gives the computer a score, based off the score there is a deposit assessed."

lol.. i didnt mean explain it like that lol..

so they are more lenient to nextel? so why would people still have to pay deposits? are their credit that bad?

No offense (so don't take this the wrong way)... Most people do not have the wealth that you do and make mistakes at some point in time in their life. Most of the mistakes are made in the college years. So some peoples credit are "that bad".

just becuase they arent wealthy it doesnt mean that the credit would/should/could be bad.

i am just saying that if they have to pay a $250 dollar deposit and their credit is still bad becuase you said cingular is easier then nextel, that means those people have not great credit. thats all.

I can definately vouge for that. I screwed up my credit in college. If I wasnt migrating from SunCom I woulda had to pay a pretty high deposit.

I actually agree with you a little bit here. I was excited when Cingular finally came to my area but I havent been impressed with them so much. Ive never had "network busy" and all that until I signed with Cingular. I had VZW previously but I just wanted to try out GSM for a while. VZW never even gave me a network busy signal or dropped calls. But Im thinking the problems have to do with converting the SunCom towers around here to Cingular. Supposedly they are still working out the kinks.

yea, i am not impressed with those numbers at all. i expected them to get more adds, however, their data arpu continues to improve so thats very good. their prepaid phones should do a lot better though.

verizon wont give you a lot of network busy or dropped calls becuase they have a lot of capacity and spectrum and towers in many areas. cingular/att wireless will have problems till the end of 2006 when the integration of the networks will be completed. there will be more kinks especially becuase of the merger.

Cingular is tryign to build up prpeaid they have ignored it for to long. The current focus is on PTT.

"Im waiting for the day when all PTT will be integrated, meaning ill be able to PTT with Nextel, Sprint, or VZW customers."

this wont happen. (in my opinion) nextel/sprint wont share qchat with verizon so that kinda takes your theory(or waiting) out of the picture.

So when they send an MMS it uses minutes? 😳

it says this.. "Customers have the option to pay as they go for each picture message,
$0.25 for each message sent or received, plus airtime, or select from bundled
picture messaging Pix Paks:" pretty vague but i think you can understand it. what i got out of it is that you can pay as you go plus you use your air time mins ORRRR get a bundled plan and you wont use your mins. thats how i took it. what about you?

Pricing
Customers have the option to pay as they go for each picture message,
$0.25 for each message sent or received, plus airtime, or select from bundled
picture messaging Pix Paks:

* $2.99 per month for 20 messages, and only $0.25 for each additional
message sent or received, plus airtime
* $4.99 per month for 40 messages, and only $0.25 for each additional
message sent or received, plus airtime
*** Either one uses airtime... That's just insanity... I wouldn't want that at all. 😳

yep, it does. i didnt read that "plus airtime" situation.

yea, i wouldnt want that at all either. thats pathetic, and thats why verizon pays for their pricing mistakes, and thats where sprint and cingular comes in to clean them up.

Yes, Jackie. When you send a or receive a pix message with VZW it does use airtime. Unless you have the EVDO V-Cast Service.

But nextel is wrong too from his quote on the website. What he posted is their normal rates. They just launched a new promotion that gives you unlimited TXT and PIX messages to other VZW customers. But the PIX will still use airtime (Unless you have EVDO).

I wish Cingular would come out with unlimited m2m text messages to other cingy customers.

I wish that too ☹️

Any chances at Cingy doing it too??? Or do I have a better chance at getting struck by lightning.

Also, can you give me a call? I need help. I am having trouble getting my headset to let me answer a call on my RAZR from the headset if I didn't already have it paired with the phone when the phone started ringing.

Yeah I can call you tomorrow... I am kinda alone at the store today 😢

Awww...I'm sorry you are all alone. I will call my Philly friends and tell them to come see you.....

Wait....You are my philly friends....

What could the issue be? Why can't I just flip open the boom mic and have it answer the call when I do that? That is how it worked when I had my V710.

Is the bluetooth on? I mean as discoverable, and available to link?

Yes, it is on. And when the phone is ringing and I flip the boom mic open, it connects with the phone, however it won't let me answer the call by simply pressing the button on the headset. It makes me flip open the phone to answer the call. Then I can subsequently close the phone and proceed with the call on the headset. It is wierd.

I just want to be able to open the boom mic and answer the call by either auto-connecting/answer or by pressing the button on the headset.

Is it just this area or is this bad everywhere.

People who pay taxes are doing it this month. People who got refunds got them last month. April is slow.

"
But nextel is wrong too from his quote on the website. What he posted is their normal rates. They just launched a new promotion that gives you unlimited TXT and PIX messages to other VZW customers. But the PIX will still use airtime (Unless you have EVDO). "

can you show a link on that?

I can actually verify that. I have seen it all over TV. Thats why I started this thread in the first place because I wanted to know Cingulars repsonse to that new feature.

but, it said when i look it said "starting at" on verizon's web site. then i went to the web site where they released it and i posted that. if you would be so kind to post where you got it and how it works, i would love to read it. if verizon does it, i am sure cingular will. remember cingular destroys verizon when it comes to data arpu.

www.verizonwireless.com


Read the main page. It tells you all about the promotion.

thanks. main page? it says STARTING AT $5/month. am i missing something?

You're not missing anything. I tried to find out details on that but cant find anything. If anyone finds any details post them up. Im curious now. That commecial is very misleading.

yea, i thought so. the press release that i put on here was from the new plan. unless i am wrong?

becuase it says STARTING AT. that means its more then that $5 per month.


SF can you chime in?

Yes, I will chime in now. Sorry, I got busy at work.

What you posted was regarding their regular rates for pix messages. It was not speaking of the new promotion that gives customers unlimited pix messages "in" network.

so chime in... all you said was, "What you posted was regarding their regular rates for pix messages. It was not speaking of the new promotion that gives customers unlimited pix messages "in" network."

atleast post where the link is what the price is.. etc.. thanks.

I already did this. It is on the VZW main page. You have to proceed as if you were setting up a new plan. There will be a link to click on for details when you are adding features to whatever phone you select.

i did that, and i didnt see it.

all i saw on the main page was it saying STARTING AT....

Shop for phones. Look at the right side of the screen. It lists, in one section, the options for txt messaging. Each of them are clickable links that make a pop up appear detailing each price point.

ok let me try again....


i see this...

Video & Picture Messaging (Pay Per Message)

Unlimited IN Messaging $5 Bundle $5.00

Unlimited IN Messaging $10 Bundle $10.00

Unlimited IN Messaging $15 Bundle $15.00

V CAST VPak - FREE FOR 2 MOS, $15 MONTHLY ACCESS AFTER PROMOTION^ $15.00

is that what you mean?

YES!!!! NOW CLICK ON THE LINKS!!!!

That will cause a pop up window to appear (thus, the reason they call them "pop-ups") that details the plans to you. And you will then see that the details that "pop-up" will not be what you originally posted.

alright.. i see it. thanks..

YES!!! I GOT IT!!! lol

Pop-up windows = Amazingly good innovation when giving needed details but mainly a pain in the a$$.

yea, they were blocked by my pop up blocker, maybe that is why i didnt see anything.

Hey guys... as I was going through the Verizon website just now to read all the stuffins, I noticed that their plans say domestic long distance, domestic roaming, and "night and weekend home minutes". So is the nationwide footprint their home area, or did their stuff get a whole lot suckier?

i saw that too. i dont know, sorry. ☹️