What kind of crazy talk is that, that is like saying we won't have power outages or car accidents or other things that "just happen" be resonable, plus I would love to see Nextel acctually have service in some areas, like the places we had an outage in.......so give me a break...... 🙄

ooo defensive are we? i was just asking a question. if you cant deal with it, dont answer it.

it was an Innocent question.

All of your questions are loaded.

yep.

😡 You just let him sucker you in. I know I fall for it too.

nextel18 said:
ooo defensive are we? i was just asking a question. if you cant deal with it, dont answer it.

it was an Innocent question.

He/she wasn't getting defensive. He/she was just pointing out that with any large, complex, man-made construct, you're going to have problems here and there. You don't recall the HoFo Nextel forum exploding with angry subscribers while Nextel was upgrading to WiDen?

widen wont effect subscribers. lol..

nextel18 said:
widen wont effect subscribers. lol..

No need to laugh at me. While Nextel was upgrading, a lot of subscribers felt that their service degraded considerably. There's 242,000 posters on HoFo, so I take their opinions seriously.

not with WIDEN sorry. the service wouldnt be degrading becuase of WIDEN, it would increase but it increases bandwidth, and same goes with the 6:1 voice coder.

nextel18 said:
not with WIDEN sorry. the service wouldnt be degrading becuase of WIDEN, it would increase but it increases bandwidth, and same goes with the 6:1 voice coder.

Yeah, well...according to MarkF and others, the WiDen upgrade wreaked a little havoc with people's service while it was being installed. Quite a few people complained about this on HoFo's Nextel forum.

muchdrama said:

nextel18 said:
not with WIDEN sorry. the service wouldnt be degrading becuase of WIDEN, it would increase but it increases bandwidth, and same goes with the 6:1 voice coder.

Yeah, well...according to MarkF and others, the WiDen upgrade wreaked a little havoc with people's service while it was being installed. Quite a few people complained about this on HoFo's Nextel forum.

Don't you know, drama? Nextel is PERFECT. They've never even HAD an outage. 🙄

PhoenixAshes said:

muchdrama said:

nextel18 said:
not with WIDEN sorry. the service wouldnt be degrading becuase of WIDEN, it would increase but it increases bandwidth, and same goes with the 6:1 voice coder.

Yeah, well...according to MarkF and others, the WiDen upgrade wreaked a little havoc with people's service while it was being installed. Quite a few people complained about this on HoFo's Nextel forum.

Don't you know, drama? Nextel is PERFECT. They've never even HAD an outage. 🙄

Oh. Darn.

One thing I would love Nextel to do, is actually have coverage away from large Cities How about we go see what kind of coverage they have in the midwest....Must not be too hard to actually make sure it is all working with such a limited network...... 🤣

PhoenixAshes said:

muchdrama said:

nextel18 said:
not with WIDEN sorry. the service wouldnt be degrading becuase of WIDEN, it would increase but it increases bandwidth, and same goes with the 6:1 voice coder.

Yeah, well...according to MarkF and others, the WiDen upgrade wreaked a little havoc with people's service while it was being installed. Quite a few people complained about this on HoFo's Nextel forum.

Don't you know, drama? Nextel is PERFECT. They've never even HAD an outage. 🙄

It took a lot for NEXTEL to admit that they had serious issues in Florida after the hurricanes. It wasn't until the press, who use NEXTEL a lot, made ...
(continues)

regardless, nextel has the off network push to talk capability and they spent around 153 million in 2004 and will spend 230 million this year.


http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=63347&p= ... »

"Nextel processed 36 percent more walkie-talkie and cellular calls in Florida in 2004 when compared to 2003.
Nextel processed more than 14 billion Florida walkie-talkie calls during 2004.
Nextel processed more than 6 billion Florida cellular calls during 2004. "

very interesting.

anyway, everyone has learned from that and now they do things so that it wont happen again.

nextel18 said:
regardless, nextel has the off network push to talk capability

Off network...for what 3 to 5 miles if the conditions are perfect? Oh please, I'm in a 2500 square mile county and off network won't help the least bit.

Yes all the carriers learned something, but no matter how well you build it, mother nature will find a way to mess it up.

well, thats life. things happen.

nextel18 said:
well, thats life. things happen.

Yeah, and considering me and four other guys could maintain the entire nextel network, what are so proud of?

really? i doubt it.

you doubt the truth often.
No surprise there.

no, just what you say.

no, thats not true. widen wouldnt effect subscribers what-so-ever. the 6:1 voice coder, however, could effect subscribers, but not that much. actually both enhance the bandwidth between and on the cell sites. there wouldnt be any havoc, so markf and hofo are wrong.

nextel18 said:
no, thats not true. widen wouldnt effect subscribers what-so-ever. the 6:1 voice coder, however, could effect subscribers, but not that much. actually both enhance the bandwidth between and on the cell sites. there wouldnt be any havoc, so markf and hofo are wrong.

Okay. So please explain to me the rash of service degredation that everybody was complaining about for a few months last year in the Nextel forum? Were they deluded or lying? There were far too many angry people for me to call liars, and it happened as Nextel was rolling out the WiDen upgrade. Geeze, man...that's all I'm saying.

first off i am not calling anyone names. so lets get that across. second, when you upgrade widen and 6:1 voice coder on the cell sites, they usually do it at night or the weekends where no one uses their phone and they do the upgrades very slowly so that it doesnt interupt service. the only way there could be a big problem in that area or areas would be that something went wrong when they uploaded the software onto the t1 and then onto the cell site. (but i dont see that happening) another problem could be that there were a lot of people who were subscribing to a data plan which would take up bandwidth which could create a backlog. i doubt that would happen either, becuase nextel is very careful when they upgrade software and things of that ...
(continues)

nextel18 said:
first off i am not calling anyone names. so lets get that across. second, when you upgrade widen and 6:1 voice coder on the cell sites, they usually do it at night or the weekends where no one uses their phone and they do the upgrades very slowly so that it doesnt interupt service. the only way there could be a big problem in that area or areas would be that something went wrong when they uploaded the software onto the t1 and then onto the cell site. (but i dont see that happening) another problem could be that there were a lot of people who were subscribing to a data plan which would take up bandwidth which could create a backlog. i doubt that would happen either, becuase nextel is very careful when they u

...
(continues)

no.. i am saying the way that nextel does things with slowly upgrading software onto the towers and the database wouldnt cause a problem. again, widen and 6:1 enhance bandwidth and call capacity on those cell sites. it could be for another seperate reason, but i was in contact with a lot of RF people especially in my area and others, saying there are no problems. i didnt experience any problem with my data or voice solutions and same with my customers, and friends who i contacted across the nation via dc.

nextel18 said:
no.. i am saying the way that nextel does things with slowly upgrading software onto the towers and the database wouldnt cause a problem. again, widen and 6:1 enhance bandwidth and call capacity on those cell sites. it could be for another seperate reason, but i was in contact with a lot of RF people especially in my area and others, saying there are no problems. i didnt experience any problem with my data or voice solutions and same with my customers, and friends who i contacted across the nation via dc.

Well, I didn't make up the thousands of angry posters on HoFo, I assure you of that.

well, i dont care if you made it up or not, the fact is that it doesnt make sense. its just like saying if a company adds capacity to that tower would it cause a problem or not? its an obvious answer and the same goes with upgrades to both widen and 6:1.

nextel18 said:
well, i dont care if you made it up or not, the fact is that it doesnt make sense. its just like saying if a company adds capacity to that tower would it cause a problem or not? its an obvious answer and the same goes with upgrades to both widen and 6:1.

Look. You may be right about it being something else. I'm just saying it happened nationwide and it occurred during the upgrade.

i doubt it. if it happened nationwide, i would have felt it and same with my friends from coast to coast and the RF people who i talk to would tell me that too, however, i didnt experience anything nor did my RF people tell me about that. sorry.

nextel18 said:
i doubt it. if it happened nationwide, i would have felt it and same with my friends from coast to coast and the RF people who i talk to would tell me that too, however, i didnt experience anything nor did my RF people tell me about that. sorry.

Fine. I imagined the entire thing, or better yet I lied right to your face. Sorry about that.

i am not calling you any times. i am just stating the facts. why would enhancing a network and the cell sites effect the subscriber/consumers in a negative way? it doesnt make sense.

nextel18 said:
i am not calling you any times. i am just stating the facts. why would enhancing a network and the cell sites effect the subscriber/consumers in a negative way? it doesnt make sense.

ANY time a carrier makes changes to a network there's the possibility problems may occur.

but not on this level.

nextel18 said:
but not on this level.

Of course...because Nextel would never have network problems that would lead to degredation of service. It's unheard of. C'mon man, cut me a little slack here. Whether or not it was caused by the WiDen upgrade, for a few months people were complaining. I didn't imagine this. Just because you didn't experience problems doesn't mean other people didn't.

are we back on the non event of the widen and 6:1 voice coder upgrades? i told you that it was a non event and didnt effect anyone. i got a confirmation from my RF people and from my personal experierences.


the merger wouldnt or shouldnt cause this many of problems, unless they dont plan it correctly.

No offense, not to chime in where I don't belong, BUT you are always saying that personal experience means nothing when I say it, and that I need to back it up with facts, and links.. Just something to keep in mind, if you expect us to do it, you should have to as well. 😉

personal experiences mean nothing, so therefore his statement about those hofonians were all wrong then(based on what you said and what i said). also i checked with my RF people WHO DESIGN the software and upgrade it into the t1 then into the cell site tell me that there were no outages with the whole implementation of the upgrades. also nextel confirmed the same thing.

I am just saying, I don't want to argue or bash. It is just when I tell you something from my personal experience, you say that it means nothing and that I am wrong... I am just asking that you extend the same courtesey. If our personal experiences mean nothing then your should as well. Thanks for hearing my piece.

no problem, and thats well said, however, i stated that personal experience does mean nothing. therefore what much said about those hofo people mean nothing. (i spoke with the RF people and nextel and etc..)

nextel18 said:
no problem, and thats well said, however, i stated that personal experience does mean nothing. therefore what much said about those hofo people mean nothing. (i spoke with the RF people and nextel and etc..)

That's just friggin' rude, man. And uncalled for.

how was that rude?

nextel18 said:
how was that rude?

You dismissed what I said by saying "So what Much said meant nothing". How is that NOT rude?

its not rude. . that simple!

nextel18 said:
its not rude. . that simple!

We'll see what a certain someone says about that.

ok........

nextel18 said:
personal experiences mean nothing, so therefore his statement about those hofonians were all wrong then(based on what you said and what i said). also i checked with my RF people WHO DESIGN the software and upgrade it into the t1 then into the cell site tell me that there were no outages with the whole implementation of the upgrades. also nextel confirmed the same thing.

I never mentioned any outages. I mentioned service degredation. A great deal of people were complaining about it...I tend to listen to thousands of people posting about the same thing. From what I've read service has returned to normal within the last couple of months. I'm done with you on this subject. Period.

nextel18 said:
personal experiences mean nothing, so therefore his statement about those hofonians were all wrong then(based on what you said and what i said). also i checked with my RF people WHO DESIGN the software and upgrade it into the t1 then into the cell site tell me that there were no outages with the whole implementation of the upgrades. also nextel confirmed the same thing.

What do you mean personal experiences mean nothing? Do you have any idea how many people were complaining about Nextel's service during those months? Were they making it up?

yep personal experience means nothing. i look at nationwide. yea they were. the other people werent effected by it and the RF people told me that and same with nextel.

nextel18 said:
yep personal experience means nothing. i look at nationwide. yea they were. the other people werent effected by it and the RF people told me that and same with nextel.

These were hundreds of personal experiences from all over the country that had no connection with each other.

really? thats wierd becuase I and my friends had no problems what-so-ever. my RF people and others say the same.

so who to belive? the people who actually monitor the network on a daily basis or those 150k people? hmm.

nextel18 said:
really? thats wierd becuase I and my friends had no problems what-so-ever. my RF people and others say the same.

so who to belive? the people who actually monitor the network on a daily basis or those 150k people? hmm.

The way you argue, it's like you refuse to believe it. Like it couldn't happen. Nextel's network is certainly not infallible.

yea, but something of the 6:1 voice coder and widen wouldnt impact consumers in a negative way. thats what i am saying.

Have you ever taken an electrical engineering class or studied RF theory and technology?

ACTUAL engineers, not just my posse, have a fun saying they add to the end of many of their statements...

"In theory"

NO ONE, but NO ONE knows exactly what is going to happen on a tech rollout until it is done.

I can't believe how much you believe your own hype when you say, "but me and my friends didn't have problems and some engineer (who doesn't know you from adam and has no requirement to disclose what is actually happening to you) said all was good so all those complaints didn't matter.

The worst part is the people who think they can argue an make an actual dent in your noggin. All we can do it post facts or logic to dispel your poor...
(continues)

thats coming from you? wow!! big deal. i know what happened with the whole widen and 6:1 voice coder upgrade. unfort you dont. i talk to my RF people on a daily basis.

nextel18 said:
thats coming from you? wow!! big deal. i know what happened with the whole widen and 6:1 voice coder upgrade. unfort you dont. i talk to my RF people on a daily basis.

Correct. It's absolutely impossible for an upgrade to wreak havoc.

yep. so those people who were saying that they had problems probably had problems with a crowded cell site which would be impossible if the 6:1 and widen was implemented on those cell sites.

nextel18 said:
yep. so those people who were saying that they had problems probably had problems with a crowded cell site which would be impossible if the 6:1 and widen was implemented on those cell sites.

For the thousandth time...this was a lot of people from ALL OVER THE NATION. Not just the same cul-de-sac. This was going on in a lot of different places. Face it, man...it was just a problem with the network...nothing serious, but enough to piss hundreds of people off for a while (the problems were related to: 1) Poor signal 2) No service where service was once available 3) Direct Connect problems). If you're going to keep on arguing with me, just call me a liar and we'll forget it.

Drama, I've been watching the two of you for days now, and I think you are really just spinning your wheels. Honestly, I don't know why you even attempt an exchange at all. From now on, every post he makes we will respond with a " 🤣 " and perhaps maybe a comment about how he has "no understanding of the wireless industry." That's it. Agreed?

Thanks, JD, it's been a lot like watching the irresistable force try to budge the immovable object... 😉

Aleq said:
Thanks, JD, it's been a lot like watching the irresistable force try to budge the immovable object... 😉

I wish settling things with your fists hadn't become politically incorrect.

muchdrama said:

Aleq said:
Thanks, JD, it's been a lot like watching the irresistable force try to budge the immovable object... 😉

I wish settling things with your fists hadn't become politically incorrect.

Well, there's always duelling with chunks of wine soaked bread at ten paces! 🤣

Aleq said:

muchdrama said:

Aleq said:
Thanks, JD, it's been a lot like watching the irresistable force try to budge the immovable object... 😉

I wish settling things with your fists hadn't become politically incorrect.

Well, there's always duelling with chunks of wine soaked bread at ten paces! 🤣

Or Tonka Trucks. They REALLY hurt.

JDigital said:
Drama, I've been watching the two of you for days now, and I think you are really just spinning your wheels. Honestly, I don't know why you even attempt an exchange at all. From now on, every post he makes we will respond with a " 🤣 " and perhaps maybe a comment about how he has "no understanding of the wireless industry." That's it. Agreed?

As tempting as that sounds, I made a promise to Rich to be civil at all times. I'm trying to take the high road here.

That's just it... there's nothing uncivil about what I suggested. Just treat him like a joke. Trying to have an actual conversation with him I guarantee will be more aggravating in the long run, and will make you much more likely to snap.

JDigital said:
That's just it... there's nothing uncivil about what I suggested. Just treat him like a joke. Trying to have an actual conversation with him I guarantee will be more aggravating in the long run, and will make you much more likely to snap.

I won't snap. I'm too smart for that.

"Face it, man...it was just a problem with the network...nothing serious, but enough to piss hundreds of people off for a while (the problems were related to: 1) Poor signal 2) No service where service was once available 3) Direct Connect problems). "

bahahahahah. 6:1 and widen improves poor signal. service where services was availble has nothing to do with the upgrade. direct connect problems have nothing to do with the upgrades since dc already has the 6:1 voice coder on it and since DC only uses a very small portion of bandwidth.

nextel18 said:
"Face it, man...it was just a problem with the network...nothing serious, but enough to piss hundreds of people off for a while (the problems were related to: 1) Poor signal 2) No service where service was once available 3) Direct Connect problems). "

bahahahahah. 6:1 and widen improves poor signal. service where services was availble has nothing to do with the upgrade. direct connect problems have nothing to do with the upgrades since dc already has the 6:1 voice coder on it and since DC only uses a very small portion of bandwidth.

Okay. So how about this: While WiDen was being upgraded around that time, suppose it was something else that caused the problem? Are you going to laugh rudely at ...
(continues)

widen and 6:1 voice coder upgrades are down AT NIGHT and/or During the weekends when most people dont use the phone. i would say something else caused the problem like i mentioned earlier to you.

nextel18 said:
widen and 6:1 voice coder upgrades are down AT NIGHT and/or During the weekends when most people dont use the phone. i would say something else caused the problem like i mentioned earlier to you.

Or folks were actually talking at night and on the weekends.

not at 12-3 am on every single night.

nextel18 said:
not at 12-3 am on every single night.

Sure. 'Cause here in the United States we don't have anything like a night shift, or night owl, or people just awake at that hour. That would be stupid.

again nextel and most carriers upgrade when no one is on the phone typically at those hours.

nextel18 said:
again nextel and most carriers upgrade when no one is on the phone typically at those hours.

Okay, fine. Martians caused the service problems. Angry martians.

With tiny toothpicks!

Aleq said:
With tiny toothpicks!

Yes. Tiny insterstellar, galactic toothpicks. And sardines.

muchdrama said:

Aleq said:
With tiny toothpicks!

Yes. Tiny insterstellar, galactic toothpicks. And sardines.

Live sardines, chewing at the towers with their nasty, big pointy teeth!

Aleq said:

muchdrama said:

Aleq said:
With tiny toothpicks!

Yes. Tiny insterstellar, galactic toothpicks. And sardines.

Live sardines, chewing at the towers with their nasty, big pointy teeth!

Go on. Try slapping someone in the face with a sardine and see if they don't crumble before your feet.

muchdrama said:

Aleq said:

muchdrama said:

Aleq said:
With tiny toothpicks!

Yes. Tiny insterstellar, galactic toothpicks. And sardines.

Live sardines, chewing at the towers with their nasty, big pointy teeth!

Go on. Try slapping someone in the face with a sardine and see if they don't crumble before your feet.

Better to slap 'em with an anchovy if you want 'em to crumble!

Aleq said:

muchdrama said:

Aleq said:

muchdrama said:

Aleq said:
With tiny toothpicks!

Yes. Tiny insterstellar, galactic toothpicks. And sardines.

Live sardines, chewing at the towers with their nasty, big pointy teeth!

Go on. Try slapping someone in the face with a sardine and see if they don't crumble before your feet.

Better to slap 'em with an anchovy if you want 'em to crumble!

Same thing!

lol... how pathetic.

you think nextel is that stupid to upgrade during peak hours and when hours people are on the phone? do you know what happens when a carrier puts in an upgrade solution into the t1 and the towers?

I think a faster data line is used besides T1 but that's just me...

no a t1 is connected to the cell sites.

Hmm... Dissapointing...

lol um ok...

nextel18 said:
lol... how pathetic.

you think nextel is that stupid to upgrade during peak hours and when hours people are on the phone? do you know what happens when a carrier puts in an upgrade solution into the t1 and the towers?

Uh, do Vegas Showgirls pop out and get down to "Bust A Move"?

see. with your stupid answers shows a lack of knowledge for it. thats why i am saying if you dont know what your talking about dont say anything.

We've shared the same sentiment with you on various occassions Nextel...

but, i know things. he just says things randomly.

nextel18 said:
but, i know things. he just says things randomly.

Yes. I'm very random. BELCH!

hahah. the beers are flowing huh?

nextel18 said:
hahah. the beers are flowing huh?

Not on a Thursday night.

why not? its the best night for it so you can have a hangover on fri morning.

... at work... [sic]

take friday off 🙂 claim a sick day lol.

Can't until August... I'm on the fine line for sick days... I think I only have one PTO for the rest of the year left as well.

wow.. they should give you more sick days ☹️

They're actually really good about it... They gave me 17 days off and of course up to 6 occurences... I should have bought days off at benefits renewal but that's on me... Next year though... I'll buy a month or two. lol


How many days do you guys get a year?

i am not exactly in sales so i have any amount of sick days and vacation days as i want. (i forgot exactly what i had when i did work in sales) its basically i have to do a certain amount of jobs per year then thats pretty much it. but, i am on call basically every day if they need me to do anything for them. but i have to tell them how long i am going to be off for and who will be taking over for what i am doing. i guess i have the easy way. lol. thats what happens when you develop contacts.

Nice. I couldn't complain either, lol. 😉

yea. i like it this way. this way i can take vacations, take sick days, and go to college. i guess thats why most people dont belive me when i say i have ties and do this kinda work. oh well. 🙂 i am extremly happy with what i do becuase its fun.

nextel18 said:
yea. i like it this way. this way i can take vacations, take sick days, and go to college. i guess thats why most people dont belive me when i say i have ties and do this kinda work. oh well. 🙂 i am extremly happy with what i do becuase its fun.

Not really......... Nextel18

MOst people don't believe you because most of the time the more educated in wireless on these boards prove time and again you are full of BS...

Thats why "most people don't believe" you.

yea, you do. you dont think i am wealthy or anything, but i am. your jealous my friend, and same with other people who dont belive me. the thing is you of all people should be happy for me at 21 being successful.

(notice how you are the first one who responds to that post) it shows how much you cling onto every word of mine.

I have learned is not to immediately believe or dismiss anything online... But I know that 21 year olds are capable of being very successful.

Oh and kingfrog's an idiot anyways...

well thanks. about KF i know. lol.

I'll agree with you there, you do know quite a bit... However... Your belligerence is not what one would call a 'personality trait'

i will try to be better. but if people say things with no facts to back it up or it doesnt show that there is common sense, then unfort i will have to show that trait.

Nobody is above that... Except maybe Jesus... But that in itself is another topic. 😉

yea, i guess thats true.

the problem is that i face when i am posting and replying to post on here is about people are so connected (if thats the right word to use) to cingular when i just say they need to improve some things and that they are having problems with the merger with the outages. thats what i dont get. they cant just talk in a civil manner and all of that.

(its not aimed at you by the way)

I know... The problem is the wording.

Dealing in customer service you know, to point out the problem will make people upset.

To point out the problem with various solutions will provide a different response.

For example: "Cingular's CHURN is horrible!"

Yes, we know that, and it is fact. But your first response will be "Our churn has dropped for two Qtr's straight now blah blah blah..."

A better approach would have been: "Cingular's CHURN has always been really low, good thing to see though they've dropped CHURN for two qtrs straight."

Or however it's worded... Negative posts will recieve negative responses.

Even if you did not mean it to come out as Negative... it's percieved negatively because of the words used.

yea, i guess thats the case, but sometimes you cant help that. again i will try my best to be better 🙂

No you can't help it sometimes... But majority rules. 😎

yea, i guess so.

Well, if you're a likeable individual 90% of the time... The 10% you're not would be overlooked... The latter would involve stoning.

hahaha true.

Your RF people? You are a consultant. You don't employ network engineers for Nextel.

Keep digging.

you and kingfrog are both jealous. yes my RF people. i talk to them on a regular basis on a number of things. (i call them my RF people becuase i talk to them on a regular basis)

so sad.

Yeah, that's it. Jealous.

Actually I just can't figure out why an RF engineer from Nextel, someone not employed by you and not allowed to give you proprietary network information talks to you on a weekly basis. Actually I do get it now, considering your 3 monkeys approach to Nextel's system. They are probably members here and love knowing they can feed you misinformation and it immediately hits this board.

Either way, your opinions on this and most every other matter here are WITHOUT logical basis so I am going to point that out to those who may be of interest. As a former Nextel Authorized representive I know first hand your logic is without basis.

Hope that helps...

"Actually I just can't figure out why an RF engineer from Nextel, someone not employed by you and not allowed to give you proprietary network information talks to you on a weekly basis."

becuase i ask them, and they tell me. they know me long enough to trust me.

"Either way, your opinions on this and most every other matter here are WITHOUT logical basis so I am going to point that out to those who may be of interest."

yea, like what? state some things.

"As a former Nextel Authorized representive I know first hand your logic is without basis."

again state what.

Ok,

Your notion that Nextel absolutely positively could not have experienced any service issue with an upgrade. That is just simply w/o logic based on the history of the wireless communications industry as a whole.

Second, all companies deploy regional engineering departments. Even if your engineer "buddies" are saying all is good locally, your argument is worthless because Nextel has hundreds of other network offices that probably do not funnel every service issue through "your guys" so that they could then tell you.

You see, this is where you shoot yourself in the foot. You are digging in your heels on something that just doesn't have factual backing. If you aren't making up these phantom engineer buddies and they actually tol...
(continues)

"Your notion that Nextel absolutely positively could not have experienced any service issue with an upgrade. "

not with the software upgrade, especially since they do it at night. with the consensus plan there will be some problems, becuase as markf and i stated that they would/should be facing some problems. (consumers that is)

(the fact that i and my friends nationwide didnt have any problems, nor did my RF people confirmed the problems, means that there were no problems)

"Even if your engineer "buddies" are saying all is good locally, your argument is worthless because Nextel has hundreds of other network offices that probably do not funnel every service issue through "your guys" so that they could then tell you."

yea, they a...
(continues)

Hmmm, you need a bigger shovel.

what else is knew. cant even respond and you just say something stupid.. again, you hang onto every single word of mine.

Your post required no response in a legitimate debate format because you presented nothing new. You simply repeated your previous position and added attempts to tarnish credibility. You act as if being a sales rep at one point in your life is bad (you said you were one too). I've been at this 12 years now, had to start somewhere.

I posted my say. Unlike others I have no interest in convincing you I am right. I post my side of the debate and leave it for those who care to form an opinion.

i didnt have to present nothing knew. i know the case, i know what happened, i was told what happened and it makes sense.

wow credibility online woooo. yea but i actually know what i am talking about. you said you were a so called RF tech and you dont even know about what i am talking about.

More misinformation.

Never said I was an RF tech. Must be with someone else you are "discussing" things.

Great example of how you are not able to handle a debate w/o name calling. You are now forgetting what I have said and defending a position that needs no defense. You get upset because I do not respond to your repeated statements of your position. You get upset when I say it required no response. Then you get defensive on this last post.

Let's make it easy so you don't have to suffer from last-word-itis. I believe you when you say you think you position is correct. I just don't agree.

didnt you say that you are going to be in the RF field? (or engineering field) if it wasnt you sorry..


i handled it perfectly. name calling? i didnt name call anyone. i get upset? hahahahahah i am not upset what-so ever.

texaswireless said:
Ok,

Your notion that Nextel absolutely positively could not have experienced any service issue with an upgrade. That is just simply w/o logic based on the history of the wireless communications industry as a whole.

Second, all companies deploy regional engineering departments. Even if your engineer "buddies" are saying all is good locally, your argument is worthless because Nextel has hundreds of other network offices that probably do not funnel every service issue through "your guys" so that they could then tell you.

You see, this is where you shoot yourself in the foot. You are digging in your heels on something that just doesn't have factual backing. If you aren't making up these phanto

...
(continues)

to add to that, both of you cling on to everyone of my words and you say that i have worthless information. lol.. thats interesting.

Just the facts ma'am.

I am just doing what you say in so many posts you want to have happen.

I am going to debate you and point out your inconsistancies w/o calling you names. The really fun part is you can't handle that because you can't fall back on the 'ole "they're calling me names..."

again, you hang onto every single word as i say. every single one. you and KF. handle what? i can handle myself quite fine.

I'm sure.....

I won't go there.

Good evening.

lol.. thought so. good evening.

by the way before boost mobile could have been deployed nationwide the 6:1 voice coder had to be on the network. after the 6:1 voice coder was on the network then boost went nationwide (cept in a few states). after boost went natoinwide thousands of signups were recorded, which shows a few things. 1. that the 6:1 HELPED the capacity and network. 2. people love boost and people still continue to love boost.

last thing, 6:1 helps the network and same with widen.

question for you= do you know what the 6:1 voice coder does on the interconnect side?

nextel18 said:
by the way before boost mobile could have been deployed nationwide the 6:1 voice coder had to be on the network. after the 6:1 voice coder was on the network then boost went nationwide (cept in a few states). after boost went natoinwide thousands of signups were recorded, which shows a few things. 1. that the 6:1 HELPED the capacity and network. 2. people love boost and people still continue to love boost.

last thing, 6:1 helps the network and same with widen.

question for you= do you know what the 6:1 voice coder does on the interconnect side?

I have absolutely NO idea what any of that does. You know what? Drop the whole WiDen thing. All I know is that it happened DURING the WiDen upgra...
(continues)

yep sure.

see if you dont understand what they do, you shouldnt say anything about it.

nextel18 said:
yep sure.

see if you dont understand what they do, you shouldnt say anything about it.

Right. 'Cause a major upgrade would NEVER cause any kind of problem. Newsflash: Nextel's fallible...just like any other carrier.

yawwwnnn. yea your not getting it.

this is an upgrade that HELPSSS not HURTTS a network.

nextel18 said:
yawwwnnn. yea your not getting it.

this is an upgrade that HELPSSS not HURTTS a network.

Hey! Look at that! There goes my civility right out the window.

"Hey! Look at that! There goes my civility right out the window."

yawnn...

i am just trying to emphazise certain words for you to understand.

nextel18 said:
"Hey! Look at that! There goes my civility right out the window."

yawnn...

i am just trying to emphazise certain words for you to understand.

Yeah. You do that. Emphasize words words for me so I understand. LOL.

i WILL. lol

muchdrama said:

nextel18 said:
yawwwnnn. yea your not getting it.

this is an upgrade that HELPSSS not HURTTS a network.

Hey! Look at that! There goes my civility right out the window.

"The best laid plans of mice and men, gang aft agley" --Robert Burns

Aleq said:

muchdrama said:

nextel18 said:
yawwwnnn. yea your not getting it.

this is an upgrade that HELPSSS not HURTTS a network.

Hey! Look at that! There goes my civility right out the window.

"The best laid plans of mice and men, gang aft agley" --Robert Burns

I know, I know...but he's just so infuriating. I get banned and I attempt to figure this kid out and see what makes him tick, but he turns out to be one heck of an unlikable person.

Agreed. Most everyone who's pissed me off on this forum i've still been able to carry on a civil conversation with...

Nextel... Infuriate is truly the right word md...

speck said:
Agreed. Most everyone who's pissed me off on this forum i've still been able to carry on a civil conversation with...

Nextel... Infuriate is truly the right word md...

You actually hit the nail right on the head. Me and Phoenix were ready to kill each other. Phonepimp and I didn't see eye to eye. Hell, even Kingfrog wanted to strangle me...but I managed to eke out a civil relationship with them all. Recently I even added McMnier to that list. This kid just can't carry on any type of interesting, civil, friendly conversation with ANYbody. EVERYbody's wrong in his eyes. NOTHING you say will ever be correct. And you know what? He doesn't give a fig. I imagine this is why he was booted off two webs...
(continues)

muchdrama said:

Aleq said:

muchdrama said:

nextel18 said:
yawwwnnn. yea your not getting it.

this is an upgrade that HELPSSS not HURTTS a network.

Hey! Look at that! There goes my civility right out the window.

"The best laid plans of mice and men, gang aft agley" --Robert Burns

I know, I know...but he's just so infuriating. I get banned and I attempt to figure this kid out and see what makes him tick, but he turns out to be one heck of an unlikable person.

"Remember that a walk through the ocean of most souls would scarce get your feet wet; fall not in love, therefore, it will stick to your face." --Nat...
(continues)

Aleq said:

muchdrama said:

Aleq said:

muchdrama said:

nextel18 said:
yawwwnnn. yea your not getting it.

this is an upgrade that HELPSSS not HURTTS a network.

Hey! Look at that! There goes my civility right out the window.

"The best laid plans of mice and men, gang aft agley" --Robert Burns

I know, I know...but he's just so infuriating. I get banned and I attempt to figure this kid out and see what makes him tick, but he turns out to be one heck of an unlikable person.

"Remember that a walk through the ocean of most souls would scarce get your feet wet; fall not in love, therefore, it w

...
(continues)

muchdrama said:

Aleq said:

muchdrama said:

Aleq said:

muchdrama said:

nextel18 said:
yawwwnnn. yea your not getting it.

this is an upgrade that HELPSSS not HURTTS a network.

Hey! Look at that! There goes my civility right out the window.

"The best laid plans of mice and men, gang aft agley" --Robert Burns

I know, I know...but he's just so infuriating. I get banned and I attempt to figure this kid out and see what makes him tick, but he turns out to be one heck of an unlikable person.

"Remember that a walk through the ocean of most souls would scarce get your feet we

...
(continues)

Aleq said:

muchdrama said:

Aleq said:

muchdrama said:

Aleq said:

muchdrama said:

nextel18 said:
yawwwnnn. yea your not getting it.

this is an upgrade that HELPSSS not HURTTS a network.

Hey! Look at that! There goes my civility right out the window.

"The best laid plans of mice and men, gang aft agley" --Robert Burns

I know, I know...but he's just so infuriating. I get banned and I attempt to figure this kid out and see what makes him tick, but he turns out to be one heck of an unlikable person.

"Remember that a walk through the ocean of most soul

...
(continues)

You grow wise, young grasshopper...

Aleq said:
You grow wise, young grasshopper...

Wanna come over and watch me rub my legs together really fast? 😁

muchdrama said:

Aleq said:
You grow wise, young grasshopper...

Wanna come over and watch me rub my legs together really fast? 😁

I'd say that was the best offer I'd had all day, were it not for the booty call last night... 😲

Aleq said:

muchdrama said:

Aleq said:
You grow wise, young grasshopper...

Wanna come over and watch me rub my legs together really fast? 😁

I'd say that was the best offer I'd had all day, were it not for the booty call last night... 😲

Virgin ears! Virgin ears!

muchdrama said:

Aleq said:

muchdrama said:

Aleq said:
You grow wise, young grasshopper...

Wanna come over and watch me rub my legs together really fast? 😁

I'd say that was the best offer I'd had all day, were it not for the booty call last night... 😲

Virgin ears! Virgin ears!

Whoops, sorry I was aiming for the left ear--the right was the virgin one, correct? 😉

Aleq said:

muchdrama said:

Aleq said:

muchdrama said:

Aleq said:
You grow wise, young grasshopper...

Wanna come over and watch me rub my legs together really fast? 😁

I'd say that was the best offer I'd had all day, were it not for the booty call last night... 😲

Virgin ears! Virgin ears!

Whoops, sorry I was aiming for the left ear--the right was the virgin one, correct? 😉

I don't even know how that could be done. Sex on your side? OoooOOOOoooooo...spooning!

More like forking... 😳

Aleq said:
More like forking... 😳

Right. 'Cause you poke with you...wait, I don't get it.

muchdrama said:

Aleq said:
More like forking... 😳

Right. 'Cause you poke with you...wait, I don't get it.

Come over here, little boy, and you will definitely get it! 😳

Aleq said:

muchdrama said:

Aleq said:
More like forking... 😳

Right. 'Cause you poke with you...wait, I don't get it.

Come over here, little boy, and you will definitely get it! 😳

I'm not little. I'm 6'1" of strapping phone nerd.

nextel18 said:
are we back on the non event of the widen and 6:1 voice coder upgrades? i told you that it was a non event and didnt effect anyone. i got a confirmation from my RF people and from my personal experierences.


the merger wouldnt or shouldnt cause this many of problems, unless they dont plan it correctly.

You know, it's rude to tell someone repeatedly that their posts are "non-events". So what do you make of all those people that complained? Liars? Fibbers? Insane?

probably that they have nothing else to do or to say so they complain.

nextel18 said:
probably that they have nothing else to do or to say so they complain.

This was hundreds and hundreds of people posting over a few month period. They ALL made it up? These are loyal Nextel subscribers. Wouldn't you listen to them?

i already explained my view. i dont care what individuals think.

nextel18 said:
i already explained my view. i dont care what individuals think.

But this wasn't one individual. This was hundreds, maybe even thousands of posters. HoFo has 242,000 members...some of those folks complaining doesn't make you say "I guess something could have happened with service".

so they have 242k members most of them are complaining about the services anyway.

actually it doesnt. everyone on that site complains about every carrier regardless.

nextel18 said:
so they have 242k members most of them are complaining about the services anyway.

actually it doesnt. everyone on that site complains about every carrier regardless.

Hey. Just listen for a second. I'm talking about a specific time period where all of a sudden Nextel's quality of service took a dive in certain areas. People started posting about it. It occured for a few months and then it stopped. I'm not talking about this with you any longer as you shoot every theory I have down. You are incapable of having a friendly, informed conversation with anyone. This is why everyone in this forum would like to see you removed from the site forever.

i dont listen to someone who doesnt know what they are talking about nor what the software upgrades mean to the network.

i can understand if many people were buying services and there were many additions in that area would cause problems, but the 6:1 or widen upgrade WOULDNT have cuased these problems.

nextel18 said:
ooo defensive are we? i was just asking a question. if you cant deal with it, dont answer it.

it was an Innocent question.

You don't have innocent questions.
You said yourself you have loaded questions.
Must be a lack of self esteem that makes you do what you do.

i didnt say anything to any loaded questions.

i have high self esteem my friend.

I am determined to educate you.

well 🙂 state why there would be outages already in that area, in SD, and in conn, upper ny and mass? thanks. seems to me that its becuase of the merger, let me hear your expertise reasoning.

The reason is not the merger but also the GSM overlay sometimes outages are planned. To allow Cingular to fix issues with the GSM overlay in certain markets. Especially in areas that are known trouble spots. I am determined to educate u on Cingular besides what u read in newsletters. Cingular would probly not have as many outages if we did not have two networks to support GSM and TDMA. Verizon just does not face the same issues. Verizon having only one technology and just having to worry about network upgrades has given them a huge headstart. GSM and TDMA are totally different technologies. California is completly GSM except for the blue side that is a mixed market of both techs.

so it has to do with the gsm and tdma? ahh i get it. thanks. what about the other markets that i have mentioned?

No further comment on outages jsut saying that some are not accidently especailly if there is TDMA in area and Cingular wants to be just GSM.

ahh i see. so its a technology problem why no more comments?

there is a lot of things that u can not say in a forum. I know where u wanna take this and I will not go there.

i dont want to take this anywhere. i am just asking questions.

simplymarcus said:
I am determined to educate you.

Before you proceed any further, I suggest you Google the lyrics to Poe's "Trigger Happy Jack," paying special attention to the chorus. If, after having done so, you still feel like educating, have at it... 🙄

You cannot educate those who choose to be or act ignorant intentionally.

I tried to ask yesterday but immaturity got the best of him, again. nextel18 has some strange desire for inclusion. He manifests his desires by inciting rather than using more reasonable and adult means. He also has some delusional tendencies, such as seeing disaster with this merger (something for which he has no intellectual or educated understanding). And as is common, paranoia follows his delusions because he thinks everyone here just wants to call him names and that all his intentions are noble.

I have tried to browse through his posts, avoiding the naner, naner, your stupid posts and looking for signs of actual intelligence. I can find none. Perhaps th...
(continues)

texaswireless said:
You cannot educate those who choose to be or act ignorant intentionally.

I tried to ask yesterday but immaturity got the best of him, again. nextel18 has some strange desire for inclusion. He manifests his desires by inciting rather than using more reasonable and adult means. He also has some delusional tendencies, such as seeing disaster with this merger (something for which he has no intellectual or educated understanding). And as is common, paranoia follows his delusions because he thinks everyone here just wants to call him names and that all his intentions are noble.

I have tried to browse through his posts, avoiding the naner, naner, your stupid posts and looking for signs of actual int

...
(continues)

I've put a couple of quotes in at the bottom but so far you are the first to know what they are from :-)

There is a great site on the net where you can get .wmv files of different quotes from the movie. VERY funny.

"You got as tent?!"

- Emmitt Fitzhumgh

Okay, I'll bite--what's the movie? Doesn't ring any bells with me, and that's kind of unusual...

Aleq said:
Okay, I'll bite--what's the movie? Doesn't ring any bells with me, and that's kind of unusual...

Holy Crap! I know something you know know, I know something you don't know.

Putz! Mark it on your calendar, buddy, 'cuz it'll be a cold day in a hot place before you're THIS happy again! 😛

Aleq said:
Putz! Mark it on your calendar, buddy, 'cuz it'll be a cold day in a hot place before you're THIS happy again! 😛

Spies Like Us?

Yeah!!!!!!!!!

Ah, heard of it but never got around to it--I'll have to check it out now that I have a recommendation for it!

Dan Akroyd and Chevy Chase, in their prime while they were still very funny.

texaswireless said:
I've put a couple of quotes in at the bottom but so far you are the first to know what they are from :-)

There is a great site on the net where you can get .wmv files of different quotes from the movie. VERY funny.

"You got as tent?!"

- Emmitt Fitzhumgh

That's because when all these kids were watching reruns of the Smurfs, my old ass was watching this movie over and over.

muchdrama said:

texaswireless said:
I've put a couple of quotes in at the bottom but so far you are the first to know what they are from :-)


There is a great site on the net where you can get .wmv files of different quotes from the movie. VERY funny.

"You got as tent?!"

- Emmitt Fitzhumgh

That's because when all these kids were watching reruns of the Smurfs, my old ass was watching this movie over and over.

🤣
Yeah great movie.
They made great movies back then...
My favorie seen is when they all think they are going to die. Dan and Chevy get the hot russian babes, and the 2 ugly russian guys get each other... 🤣

nextel18 said:
not sure. it doesnt matter how many people. and even if they only have 30 people there should be no outages.

So, a ridiculously large wireless network should never have any outages? You do realize it's a thing built and maintained by humans right?

Humans maintain cell towers?!? I thought cingular was the Empire and had droids maintain everything!! [/sarcasm]

That's what I thought too... 😕 Oh well, at least I stand corrected.

DDA said:
Humans maintain cell towers?!? I thought cingular was the Empire and had droids maintain everything!! [/sarcasm]

That would actually be pretty cool.

Maybe even 7 if that person actually has friends. However, they would brobably be friends from WV.

Yeah, but you have to factor in that at least one person at a time will be passed out drunk and therefore unaffected by an outage... If the WV visitors brought beer, it's possible that nobody even noticed the outage at all, except for being unable to send MMS of their butts to all their friends while in a drunken stupor... 😁

forget it.

alright.

"forget it" lol

Exactly. I grew up in a old homesteader's log cabin. We got our water out of the creek by our house, used a wood stove for heating and cooking, and oil lamps for lighting. We did have electricity (sometimes), but you couldn't rely on it. Coming from that background - I find it hilarious when people freak out about outages or not having a cell phone. They are a fairly recent innovation - people got a long for how long without them? I'm all for new technology - but people (particularly Americans) need to keep things in perspective.

elihuspeaks said:
Exactly. I grew up in a old homesteader's log cabin. We got our water out of the creek by our house, used a wood stove for heating and cooking, and oil lamps for lighting. We did have electricity (sometimes), but you couldn't rely on it. Coming from that background - I find it hilarious when people freak out about outages or not having a cell phone. They are a fairly recent innovation - people got a long for how long without them? I'm all for new technology - but people (particularly Americans) need to keep things in perspective.

I can keep things in perspective. But not without my refrigerator, air conditioner, television, and toe nail polish. Wait. Scratch that last one.

muchdrama said:

elihuspeaks said:
Exactly. I grew up in a old homesteader's log cabin. We got our water out of the creek by our house, used a wood stove for heating and cooking, and oil lamps for lighting. We did have electricity (sometimes), but you couldn't rely on it. Coming from that background - I find it hilarious when people freak out about outages or not having a cell phone. They are a fairly recent innovation - people got a long for how long without them? I'm all for new technology - but people (particularly Americans) need to keep things in perspective.

I can keep things in perspective. But not without my refrigerator, air conditioner, television, and toe nail polish. Wait.

...
(continues)

Aleq said:

muchdrama said:

elihuspeaks said:
Exactly. I grew up in a old homesteader's log cabin. We got our water out of the creek by our house, used a wood stove for heating and cooking, and oil lamps for lighting. We did have electricity (sometimes), but you couldn't rely on it. Coming from that background - I find it hilarious when people freak out about outages or not having a cell phone. They are a fairly recent innovation - people got a long for how long without them? I'm all for new technology - but people (particularly Americans) need to keep things in perspective.

I can keep things in perspective. But not without my refrigerator, air conditioner, televisi

...
(continues)

Heck, girlfriend, you know you gots to stay pretty or the mens won't give you a second look! 🤣

Aleq said:
Heck, girlfriend, you know you gots to stay pretty or the mens won't give you a second look! 🤣

This has taken a turn for the worse.

muchdrama said:

Aleq said:
Heck, girlfriend, you know you gots to stay pretty or the mens won't give you a second look! 🤣

This has taken a turn for the worse.

Sez you, ya pansy! 🤣

Aleq said:
I hear ya--I live in the NW myself and I just laugh my butt off at all the irate, cranky people who freak out whenever they can't make a call RIGHT THIS MINUTE... Sheesh, people, take a chill pill, stuff happens... Up here, if you, your family and the pets are still alive and your house has a roof, walls and floor, there's not much else to get p.o.'d over, and we're definitely a LOT more self reliant than most people...

Self reliance? What's that?

muchdrama said:

Aleq said:
I hear ya--I live in the NW myself and I just laugh my butt off at all the irate, cranky people who freak out whenever they can't make a call RIGHT THIS MINUTE... Sheesh, people, take a chill pill, stuff happens... Up here, if you, your family and the pets are still alive and your house has a roof, walls and floor, there's not much else to get p.o.'d over, and we're definitely a LOT more self reliant than most people...

Self reliance? What's that?

It's what people used to have before they invented cell phones... 😛

. . . and it generally involved carrying a survival pack in the back of your car, a high powered rifle and a sleeping bag . . . you know, they still don't have cell phones were I grew up at, so things are pretty much the same there!

p.s. we did have a 'refrigerator' You would just put things that you wanted to stay cold outside (during the eight months of winter that we had) or in the creek (which stayed a balmy 35 degrees year round).

elihuspeaks said:
. . . and it generally involved carrying a survival pack in the back of your car, a high powered rifle and a sleeping bag . . . you know, they still don't have cell phones were I grew up at, so things are pretty much the same there!

p.s. we did have a 'refrigerator' You would just put things that you wanted to stay cold outside (during the eight months of winter that we had) or in the creek (which stayed a balmy 35 degrees year round).

Balmy? Balmy?!! That's "Holy Crap!" cold to this South Florida boy.

You just have to keep things in perspective, when it's -40 F out, 35 degrees seems pretty nice. 😁

So where did you grown up? 😳

The norther border of Washington - way up in the Selkirks (part of the Canadian Rockies). We lived partway up one of the higher mountains in the range. It would snow through the summer sometimes.

😳 That is craziness 😳

No , thats heaven on earth. 😁

I can imagine but the cold weather... I mean PA gets bad but not that cold 😳

Well , you can always put on more clothes , start a fire , or better yet get under the covers with someone 😉

Yeah, true... But that is just insanely cold to me... I think I would die, but at least it would be beautiful. 😁

It's funny, but people look at me weird when they see the stuff I always carry in all my vehicles--flashlight, rubber turnout boots, chains, couple cans of chili and a canopener on all my keychains (along with my Leatherman tool), tarp, wool blanket and gloves, pair of walking shoes, ice scraper, deicer, tire goop, bottled water, sunblock, compass, other miscellaneous useful stuff, and in my truck I also have the big plugin halogen jacklight and the portable compressor... it seems like overkill until you read about some effing idiot who dies of exposure fifty miles from town who got caught out in a freak snowstorm with absolutely nothing and tried to hike out wearing shorts and flipflops... I can camp for days in either of my vehicles, but ...
(continues)

Aleq said:
It's funny, but people look at me weird when they see the stuff I always carry in all my vehicles--flashlight, rubber turnout boots, chains, couple cans of chili and a canopener on all my keychains (along with my Leatherman tool), tarp, wool blanket and gloves, pair of walking shoes, ice scraper, deicer, tire goop, bottled water, sunblock, compass, other miscellaneous useful stuff, and in my truck I also have the big plugin halogen jacklight and the portable compressor... it seems like overkill until you read about some effing idiot who dies of exposure fifty miles from town who got caught out in a freak snowstorm with absolutely nothing and tried to hike out wearing shorts and flipflops... I can camp for days

...
(continues)

Yep, and it's just one toilet away from useless--better yet, I got a call from a guy today who was talking on his phone in the car with the window down, freak gust of wind blew it out the window and a semi ran it over! Sure glad you have insurance there, buddy!

While you talking to him!? What did that sound like?

elihuspeaks said:
While you talking to him!? What did that sound like?

No, he called me up from a payphone at the nearest freeway exit and told me about it--bet it would have sounded darned cool, though! Kinda "Fail Safe" sort of thing I suppose... 🤣

I used to work in a call center for SBC and I once had a customer get angry with me and stick their phone under a vacuum cleaner to get back at me. The really funny thing was that we had a 'no release' policy without a managers permission. So there I was - buzzing my supervisor - and the whole time with their vacuum cleaner screaming through my headset. They finally turned it off - and asked "are you still there?" I (stupidly) said, "yes, I'm still here ma'am." And she turned the vacuum right back on!

What a schmuck! Yeah, I worked at a place that had that same policy and it was HORRIBLE! We couldn't hang up on perverts or the incorrigibly abusive, and we had one guy who called in regularly from a mental ward and wanted us to send him some Pepsi and chips--we got to where we'd just promise him anything to get him off the phone!

Do you still work in a call center? Are you in Bend?

If this question is for me ,the answers are :Yes , I work in a call center , but it is in Tennessee , not in Bend.

It was a question for Aleq, but that's still interesting to know. (I always wonder what area people are posting from).

I couldn't tell.These strings get very convoluted.

I'm still in a call center, but not in Bend--I prefer not to get more specific about my location for tolerably obvious reasons! (No great tolerance for outside site access at my center...)

Aleq said:
What a schmuck! Yeah, I worked at a place that had that same policy and it was HORRIBLE! We couldn't hang up on perverts or the incorrigibly abusive, and we had one guy who called in regularly from a mental ward and wanted us to send him some Pepsi and chips--we got to where we'd just promise him anything to get him off the phone!

I should think that conversing with a mental ward patient about Pepsi and chips would be far more enjoyable than talking with dipstick customers.

Pheonix, hon you have not been on in a while... Where have you been?

jramossteel said:
Pheonix, hon you have not been on in a while... Where have you been?

He was lurking. Under the surface. Like a...um, skunk ape? 😁

Skunk ape... That does not sound too good... Something that smells that bad that is that big... Not a good combo 😳

jramossteel said:
Pheonix, hon you have not been on in a while... Where have you been?

I rarely get time to post anymore. It usually happens in spurts. I recently got married, got promoted twice, and I am still going to school. 😲
I'm just a busy guy. I have to run 4 stores now and it's very time consuming as well.
I still post though... just not nearly as much.

PhoenixAshes said:

jramossteel said:
Pheonix, hon you have not been on in a while... Where have you been?

I rarely get time to post anymore. It usually happens in spurts. I recently got married, got promoted twice, and I am still going to school. 😲
I'm just a busy guy. I have to run 4 stores now and it's very time consuming as well.
I still post though... just not nearly as much.

Congrats on the marriage. COngrats on the promotions. And good luck with the schooling! Wow, you have been a busy little bee haven't you? 😉

I would think that it would be much more amusing. 🤣

muchdrama said:

Aleq said:
What a schmuck! Yeah, I worked at a place that had that same policy and it was HORRIBLE! We couldn't hang up on perverts or the incorrigibly abusive, and we had one guy who called in regularly from a mental ward and wanted us to send him some Pepsi and chips--we got to where we'd just promise him anything to get him off the phone!

I should think that conversing with a mental ward patient about Pepsi and chips would be far more enjoyable than talking with dipstick customers.

Only if they're interesting, and this idiot was on rails. He always said exactly the same thing and had zero connection to reality. NOT a fun crazy person at all, no interesti...
(continues)

Aleq said:

muchdrama said:

Aleq said:
What a schmuck! Yeah, I worked at a place that had that same policy and it was HORRIBLE! We couldn't hang up on perverts or the incorrigibly abusive, and we had one guy who called in regularly from a mental ward and wanted us to send him some Pepsi and chips--we got to where we'd just promise him anything to get him off the phone!

I should think that conversing with a mental ward patient about Pepsi and chips would be far more enjoyable than talking with dipstick customers.

Only if they're interesting, and this idiot was on rails. He always said exactly the same thing and had zero connection to reality. NOT a fun cr

...
(continues)

muchdrama said:

Aleq said:

muchdrama said:

Aleq said:
What a schmuck! Yeah, I worked at a place that had that same policy and it was HORRIBLE! We couldn't hang up on perverts or the incorrigibly abusive, and we had one guy who called in regularly from a mental ward and wanted us to send him some Pepsi and chips--we got to where we'd just promise him anything to get him off the phone!

I should think that conversing with a mental ward patient about Pepsi and chips would be far more enjoyable than talking with dipstick customers.

Only if they're interesting, and this idiot was on rails. He always said exactly the same thing and had zero

...
(continues)

Aleq said:

muchdrama said:

Aleq said:

muchdrama said:

Aleq said:
What a schmuck! Yeah, I worked at a place that had that same policy and it was HORRIBLE! We couldn't hang up on perverts or the incorrigibly abusive, and we had one guy who called in regularly from a mental ward and wanted us to send him some Pepsi and chips--we got to where we'd just promise him anything to get him off the phone!

I should think that conversing with a mental ward patient about Pepsi and chips would be far more enjoyable than talking with dipstick customers.

Only if they're interesting, and this idiot was on rails. He always said exact

...
(continues)

Aleq said:

muchdrama said:

Aleq said:
I hear ya--I live in the NW myself and I just laugh my butt off at all the irate, cranky people who freak out whenever they can't make a call RIGHT THIS MINUTE... Sheesh, people, take a chill pill, stuff happens... Up here, if you, your family and the pets are still alive and your house has a roof, walls and floor, there's not much else to get p.o.'d over, and we're definitely a LOT more self reliant than most people...

Self reliance? What's that?

It's what people used to have before they invented cell phones... 😛

Would you believe I never had a cell phone OR beeper before 2002? And this is from a kid whos...
(continues)

Dang, and I thought I was a holdout--bought my first cell phone in January 2000!

But schoolkids NEED beepers and phones, how else do they supplement their allowance without dealing drugs or committing lewd acts for chump change? 😳

Aleq said:
Dang, and I thought I was a holdout--bought my first cell phone in January 2000!

But schoolkids NEED beepers and phones, how else do they supplement their allowance without dealing drugs or committing lewd acts for chump change? 😳

And the Carriers need their little text messaging money. All those little fingers typing cryptic messages to each other on timy little keyboards.

all that effort... so little reward.

kingfrog77 said:

Aleq said:
Dang, and I thought I was a holdout--bought my first cell phone in January 2000!

But schoolkids NEED beepers and phones, how else do they supplement their allowance without dealing drugs or committing lewd acts for chump change? 😳

And the Carriers need their little text messaging money. All those little fingers typing cryptic messages to each other on timy little keyboards.

all that effort... so little reward.

But it keeps the little darlings busy, and when their fingers are on the keypads, they aren't on the triggers I always say! 😳

Unless they can text one-handed and use a lower caliber pistol that can be easily managed with only one hand on the grip. 😁

Shh! Don't give them any ideas!

Aleq said:
Dang, and I thought I was a holdout--bought my first cell phone in January 2000!

But schoolkids NEED beepers and phones, how else do they supplement their allowance without dealing drugs or committing lewd acts for chump change? 😳

Oh, I dunno...I had a buddy in high school that used his beeper for his pot business. That wasn't exactly chump change.

no more responding 2 u 4 me

alright, good luck my friend.