Question about all the VZW fans apparently present in the att forum
If Verizon truly has unlimited roaming and really doesn't care if you do it all the time, why don't they just start service for everyone no matter where they live in the U.S.? I'm in Lubbock Tx, they don't have towers here so I'd be on their partner coverage, domestically roaming, but since they have unlimited roaming and don't care that shouldn't be a problem right? Oh, they don't do that though, because they do care if you roam, and they care how much you do it. So don't say they have unlimited roaming when they very clearly don't.
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I think that has more to do with the fact that it would be a pain to serves your account out there. While the phone will work things like the over the air programming will not. So if they send you the phone you would have to program the phone yourself. I also think, but am not sure, that things like *611, #BAL, and the like will not work. Plus if something goes wrong with your phone, or if you just need a car charger, there’s no store around to help you out.
Also, companies care when you roam. It cost money and all but I think the point is that Verizon is not going to dumb you as a customer if you’re roaming a lot. They are not going to send you a Thank You card or anything but neither will they turn the phone off.
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Also, companies care when you roam. It cost money and all but I think the point is that Verizon is not going to dumb you as a customer if you’re roaming a lot. They are not going to send you a Thank You card or anything but neither will they turn the phone off.
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YES THEY DO.
If you roam enough they have the right to turn off your service.
If you roam enough they have the right to turn off your service.
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I agree, they have the RIGHT to turn you off but WILL they turn you off, probably not. All companies have wording in there contracts that will let them shut you down for roaming but the only company that I have ever hear of doing that was Sprint. AT@T, Verizon, T-Mobile, Alltel all have wording that will shut you down but I have never read anything of them actually shutting someone down.
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we have a lot of people who are getting their ATT service shut off here. But we are in the boonies, so I can't imagine roaming is cheap here.
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They can't offer service in those areas because of licens (FCC). You CAN order a phone online, but it will need to be an area that Verizon covers the get a number.
I have some family in Lubbock, they had Alltel (Verizon bought Alltel), and switch over to Verizon last week because there contract was up. Verizon is now able to port numbers over from Alltel in a NON-Verizon area now.
So in your area, if you had Alltel, AT&T, and what ever els yall have there, you would be able to port your number over to Verizon. This can only be done tho in the markets Verizon is taking over, which Lubbock is a market Verizon will take over.
I have some family in Lubbock, they had Alltel (Verizon bought Alltel), and switch over to Verizon last week because there contract was up. Verizon is now able to port numbers over from Alltel in a NON-Verizon area now.
So in your area, if you had Alltel, AT&T, and what ever els yall have there, you would be able to port your number over to Verizon. This can only be done tho in the markets Verizon is taking over, which Lubbock is a market Verizon will take over.
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Doesn't matter what point you bring up. He's been fighting the same fight for a week now ignoring anything that remotely proves him wrong.
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they dont want people to roam all the time, it costs them money. that, along with fcc guidelines, is the reason they dont sign up new customers in areas they do not service.
the point is tho that if you are an existing customer and you move to a non service area, and ALL OF YOUR CALLS are on extended network, Verizon does not shut you off. YES its worded in the contract that they can, but it has not yet happened.
show us one example of when verizon shut someone off for roaming? get your google on. you probably wont find one, because they dont do it. the other companies do.
I actually know someone who lives in CANADA but travels to the US for work sometimes. he has VZW on a nationwide + canada plan. 90% of his calls are in candada, n...
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the point is tho that if you are an existing customer and you move to a non service area, and ALL OF YOUR CALLS are on extended network, Verizon does not shut you off. YES its worded in the contract that they can, but it has not yet happened.
show us one example of when verizon shut someone off for roaming? get your google on. you probably wont find one, because they dont do it. the other companies do.
I actually know someone who lives in CANADA but travels to the US for work sometimes. he has VZW on a nationwide + canada plan. 90% of his calls are in candada, n...
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they dont want people to roam all the time, it costs them money. that, along with fcc guidelines, is the reason they dont sign up new customers in areas they do not service.
the point is tho that if you are an existing customer and you move to a non service area, and ALL OF YOUR CALLS are on extended network, Verizon does not shut you off. YES its worded in the contract that they can, but it has not yet happened.
show us one example of when verizon shut someone off for roaming? get your google on. you probably wont find one, because they dont do it. the other companies do.
I actually know someone who lives in CANADA but travels to the US for work sometimes. he has VZW on a nationwide + canada pla
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Did they tell you that you needed to leave within 60 days or lose your number?
No one is arguing that these customers cost the company some money. what we are saying is that they won't force you to leave. If you found a local carrier, or another national carrier that worked where you needed it would make sense to move to them. Verizon wouldn't have to worry about roaming and (more importantly) in extended network they cannot provide the same service they can in native network, and you would be with a network where you could access all the services offered.
there is a big difference between disconnecting your service, and allowing you to leave because they could not offer you the service you are paying for.
No one is arguing that these customers cost the company some money. what we are saying is that they won't force you to leave. If you found a local carrier, or another national carrier that worked where you needed it would make sense to move to them. Verizon wouldn't have to worry about roaming and (more importantly) in extended network they cannot provide the same service they can in native network, and you would be with a network where you could access all the services offered.
there is a big difference between disconnecting your service, and allowing you to leave because they could not offer you the service you are paying for.
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As others have said, the FCC has very strict guidelines over where verizon (and other companies) can offer service. This is why there are so many headaches with Alltel customers not being able to port over to verizon because they are in the markets that need to be sold. These are areas where verizon offers coverage, but they cannot offer phones because of FCC regulations.
So if you want a phone, set it up with a number where verizon does offer service and then use it at your house. If you are correct, make sure to send us all a picture where verizon will cut you off for roaming. We'll be waiting.
So if you want a phone, set it up with a number where verizon does offer service and then use it at your house. If you are correct, make sure to send us all a picture where verizon will cut you off for roaming. We'll be waiting.
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So do you just not even look at the information on InfoCenter? Or do you choose to ignore it? Do you choose to ignore your training from Verizon ir did you just not even attend that training?
I own Verizon stores and I am telling you that YOU ARE WRONG. Who gives a rats behind on here but you probably are spewing this incorrect information to customers as well which is bad for business.
I own Verizon stores and I am telling you that YOU ARE WRONG. Who gives a rats behind on here but you probably are spewing this incorrect information to customers as well which is bad for business.
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what information is wrong? LNP? IT is very specific. This is why you are supposed to check a phone number before you agree to port it in because there are phone numbers where verizon cannot set up or acquire phone numbers. If verizon does not own licenses/towers in an area, they cannot offer local numbers even if their phones will work there.
When we acquired alltel, there was a whole host of information about "trust" zones, or areas where alltel customers could not be ported in, nor could you offer them service because even though they were registered customers, they could not be considered part of Alltel. This was required training for all stores, even those not near the trust zone. I don't work in one, but I know
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When we acquired alltel, there was a whole host of information about "trust" zones, or areas where alltel customers could not be ported in, nor could you offer them service because even though they were registered customers, they could not be considered part of Alltel. This was required training for all stores, even those not near the trust zone. I don't work in one, but I know
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I have and so have others. Verizon has the right to cut people off for excessive roaming. Brad's point was that if he were to sign up for service in Lubbock with a Dallas number (pre Alltel) they would shut him off. We have seen it happen as customers have come into the AT&T stores I own in Lubbock and stated that is why they need to switch.
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If verizon does not have native coverage in an area, you cannot sign up for a local number in that area (and you cannot port in that number from another carrier) The system will not let you because they cannot offer service to numbers where they down own the rights to offer service to.
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I have family in Lubbock and I know this is fake. They have a AL area code from when they lived in AL 4 years ago. If the customer Roams, the customer can shurt there service off if they wish with no ETF, but Verizon wouldn't do it. Verizon could care less if you Roam 24 7.
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Cellphonejocky said:
I have family in Lubbock and I know this is fake. They have a AL area code from when they lived in AL 4 years ago. If the customer Roams, the customer can shurt there service off if they wish with no ETF, but Verizon wouldn't do it. Verizon could care less if you Roam 24 7.
🤣 Dude, you're a riot! I think it's hilarious that anyone out there actually believes that Verizon is some big charity that lets people use other networks 24/7 while footing the bill. You must work for the government.
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Cellphonejocky said:
Verizon could care less if you Roam 24 7.
You keep thinking that.
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Verizon has not cut anyone off there network for Roaming. Why do you even own Verizon stores if you don't have all the right info?
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Nevermind... I should have listened to the others. There is no hope for you.
Good luck in your misguided life.
Good luck in your misguided life.
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Sometimes people just don't get it. Companies are not going to take too many hits like your example tylerrocks. I'm sure some people fly under the radar but thats not going to happen in every case. You continue to blanket statements, though when it comes to a company such as a national wide carrier whom-ever it is ATT VZW TMO. All companies are there to profit. If that company decides you are not profitable you won't be service in the same way or in anyway from that carrier for long.
I had this class in high school. If I can remember correctly it was called consumer's math. You should look and see if your high school offers it. It taught me A LOT about simple business math and thought processes.
I had this class in high school. If I can remember correctly it was called consumer's math. You should look and see if your high school offers it. It taught me A LOT about simple business math and thought processes.
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I can tell you do not know what you are talking about. You know Verizon does not cut people off for Roaming.
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Cellphonejocky said:
I can tell you do not know what you are talking about. You know Verizon does not cut people off for Roaming.
Of course they don't! Why would they want to go and do something like that? I mean, don't they make enough money overcharging everyone else to cover for those who roam all the time? 🤣
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Their prices are right in line (or cheaper) than ATT's
Sprint beats them because their network is signifigantly smaller, the same with Tmobile and regional carriers.
You seem to assume that networks are just "free" to operate and maintain.
Sprint beats them because their network is signifigantly smaller, the same with Tmobile and regional carriers.
You seem to assume that networks are just "free" to operate and maintain.
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...If Verizon isn't impacted by folks roaming all the time, then why not add GSM capabilities to their phones so that their customers could also roam off of T-Mobile and AT&T in areas they don't have service?
After all, if all the VZW fanboys are correct, it would only be a few areas here and there they would need to cover anyway.
After all, if all the VZW fanboys are correct, it would only be a few areas here and there they would need to cover anyway.
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Because CDMA covers more of the US then GSM. What they need is add CDMA to AT&T and T-Mobile's phone so they can Roam and service in rural area, like the Smokey Mountains National Park where Verizon is the only thing that works there. No Alltel, Sprint, AT&T, T-Mobile, USCC, Cricket, ect. haha! 🤣
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Cellphonejocky said:
Because CDMA covers more of the US then GSM. What they need is add CDMA to AT&T and T-Mobile's phone so they can Roam and service in rural area, like the Smokey Mountains National Park where Verizon is the only thing that works there. No Alltel, Sprint, AT&T, T-Mobile, USCC, Cricket, ect. haha! 🤣
Sprint works there.
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It Roams off VZW. When in Gatlinburg, it may work, but when your get in the National Park, only Verizon works.
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Cellphonejocky said:
It Roams off VZW. When in Gatlinburg, it may work, but when your get in the National Park, only Verizon works.
And when you're in Birchwood or Etowah TN and have Verizon, you're roaming off of Sprint. So what?
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Disregard my previous post. I misread your original one and have no experience in this area.
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They don't do it because there is no reason to do so. They are a CDMA company.
Why doesn't ATT, Tmobile and the like add CDMA roaming to their phones? This would improve their network coverage more than it would Help Verizon's, especially when it comes to 3g capability.
Why doesn't ATT, Tmobile and the like add CDMA roaming to their phones? This would improve their network coverage more than it would Help Verizon's, especially when it comes to 3g capability.
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Menno said:
They don't do it because there is no reason to do so. They are a CDMA company.
Why doesn't ATT, Tmobile and the like add CDMA roaming to their phones? This would improve their network coverage more than it would Help Verizon's, especially when it comes to 3g capability.
Actually, that's not a bad idea, but that isn't the point of my question.
The point is that if Verizon can offer this so-called "unlimited" roaming, why not go ahead and throw in GSM roaming too? They may be a CDMA company, but they do offer global dual mode phones, right?
If they are already making phones like that, then why not add domestic GSM roaming into the mix? Some of the newer VZW world phones will roam i ...
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correct me- cause im probably wrong but doesnt GSM require a SIM card? if so, then thats why they done allow GSM roaming. CDMA doesnt require a SIM card and even though there are slotts for them in the phones they arent used. In order to have GSM roaming they would have to add SIM cards to all their phones. Im not really sure that is actually compatable.
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