makes no sense to stay with cingular
Now that Verizon has no roaming going with Cingular makes absolutely no sense!!! I wish all of you people with cingular service would just try Verizon for a week you would all be returning your Cingular equipment for Verizon stuff.
I mean c'mon lets think about it 2 of the most respected reporting agencies in the country rate Verizon's service #1 in all the major markets, these being J.D. Power and Consumer Reports. Do you guys really think these two reporting agencies are wrong and you guys are right? Or is it that you guys are just in denial??
First things first ATTW was a company going out of business before the buyout because there service was so terrible! And also Cingular was no good themselves with major problems with circuit...
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I mean c'mon lets think about it 2 of the most respected reporting agencies in the country rate Verizon's service #1 in all the major markets, these being J.D. Power and Consumer Reports. Do you guys really think these two reporting agencies are wrong and you guys are right? Or is it that you guys are just in denial??
First things first ATTW was a company going out of business before the buyout because there service was so terrible! And also Cingular was no good themselves with major problems with circuit...
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Hold on, let's get a few things clear. J.D, power did that report based on customer service, not the service your phone gets.As for the consumer reports article that was done before any merger was done, otherwise ATTWS would have not even been mentioned but it was.
The reason that ATTWS was going out of business for 3 reasons, 1)They rolled out their program Siebel- during the time that local number perting was going on, with massive system issues, the customer was angry and was hyped based on LNP to leave.2)Customers are hesitant to try new technology,and customers were scared to move from tdma to gsm, so they had to spend the money working on two seperate networks, tdma and gsm.
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The reason that ATTWS was going out of business for 3 reasons, 1)They rolled out their program Siebel- during the time that local number perting was going on, with massive system issues, the customer was angry and was hyped based on LNP to leave.2)Customers are hesitant to try new technology,and customers were scared to move from tdma to gsm, so they had to spend the money working on two seperate networks, tdma and gsm.
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I did and you make absolutely no sense while you can try to protect a company that failed ATTW!! The bottom line is they failed plain and simple and as far as coverage and quality you need to switch to VZW. CDMA is a more advanced and greater technology than that of gsm these are the facts!!
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Is that why CDMA isn't used overseas BUT GSM IS..it is an industry leader at this point, not CDMA..
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I'm a Cingular user, but that response was ridiculous. CDMA was developed by Qualcomm for the gov't back in the early 90s i believe and IS a better technology. Also, because it was so recently developed, and developed for the US gov't by the way, is why Europe uses GSM. Also, China and a lot of Asia countries are pushing CDMA big time...just check the increase of CDMA users over the past couple of years.
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jsw4383 said:
I'm a Cingular user, but that response was ridiculous. CDMA was developed by Qualcomm for the gov't back in the early 90s i believe and IS a better technology. Also, because it was so recently developed, and developed for the US gov't by the way, is why Europe uses GSM. Also, China and a lot of Asia countries are pushing CDMA big time...just check the increase of CDMA users over the past couple of years.
GSM has been used since UK in 1992.It was being used in North America with Rogers testing it in canada for ATTWS back in 1997
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jsw4383 said:
I'm a Cingular user, but that response was ridiculous. CDMA was developed by Qualcomm for the gov't back in the early 90s i believe and IS a better technology. Also, because it was so recently developed, and developed for the US gov't by the way, is why Europe uses GSM. Also, China and a lot of Asia countries are pushing CDMA big time...just check the increase of CDMA users over the past couple of years.
Qualcomm was pitching cdma for wireless back in the late 80s. It was accepted as a standard in 1993. GSM went live in 1992. CDMA is a "better" technology- on paper. There is very little end-user difference. You might drop less calls with cdma, but you'll still drop calls. Both gsm ...
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All I can say is if it was developed for the gov. how good can it be??? Is it like the $500. hammers??? 🤣 Sorry couldn't resist
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Icyhot said:
Is that why CDMA isn't used overseas BUT GSM IS..it is an industry leader at this point, not CDMA..
CDMA was not used over seas because the government mandated that every carrier use GSM it was not a choice by each carrier
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Aarynk said:Icyhot said:
Is that why CDMA isn't used overseas BUT GSM IS..it is an industry leader at this point, not CDMA..
CDMA was not used over seas because the government mandated that every carrier use GSM it was not a choice by each carrier
In europe only.
Explain Asia, Canada, Africa, The middle East, Australia, South America, and Mexico.
No mandates there.
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Hold on, let's get a few things clear. J.D, power did that report based on customer service, not the service your phone gets.As for the consumer reports article that was done before any merger was done, otherwise ATTWS would have not even been mentioned but it was.
The reason that ATTWS was going out of business for 3 reasons, 1)They rolled out their program Siebel- during the time that local number perting was going on, with massive system issues, the customer was angry and was hyped based on LNP to leave.2)Customers are hesitant to try new technology,and customers were scared to move from tdma to gsm, so they had to spend the money working on two seperate networks, tdma and gsm.
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Outdated tech,LOL,thats pretty funny.Im not here to start a flame out over GSM Vs CDMA but my LG 8000 is a hell of alot faster on the web and gets much better reception than the sidekick 2 i have used with TMobile.CDMA is very advanced tech and has excellent capacity and scalability as far as upgrading.GSM is tapped out as far as bandwith,EDGE is as fast as its gonna get with GSM until WCDMA is rolled out.
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Outdated tech,LOL,thats pretty funny.Im not here to start a flame out over GSM Vs CDMA but my LG 8000 is a hell of alot faster on the web and gets much better reception than the sidekick 2 i have used with TMobile.CDMA is very advanced tech and has excellent capacity and scalability as far as upgrading.GSM is tapped out as far as bandwith,EDGE is as fast as its gonna get with GSM until WCDMA is rolled out.
Not trying to flame anyone either, now based upon what you are saying, that once WCDMA is out, that it'll be better the CDMA, but for now GSM and edge is not as good.Silly me, see that would imply that customers build loyalty by sticking with a company through good times and bad. The way y...
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Ask me if I care about a sidekick vs LG 8000.
So what if EDGE is only good for 230 kbps. Again - do I care? 1xrtt is only good for 140 kbps.
So what if EDGE is only good for 230 kbps. Again - do I care? 1xrtt is only good for 140 kbps.
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Did you ever think that the reason why CDMA appears to be better is b/c its been around longer? They have had years to work out the kinks....while GSM is a newer network, and still has some kinks to kick out, in a couple of years it will surpass CDMA with flying colors. As it was when they first launch CDMA. As of right now though, I can see how you feel that way, but you are wrong on some points.
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Believe it or not both technologies became operational in the U.S. in 1996.
http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa072199.htm »
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http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa072199.htm »
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cdma technology was is use longer than cdma, and yes, overseas gsm is the standard. There is no cdma.
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WRONG!
Next time before posting any incorrect info, double-check the facts...
http://www.cdg.org/worldwide/index.asp »
OOPS 😉
Oh yeah, I and CDMA phones are better then you think:
http://www.samsung.com/PressCenter/PressRelease/Pres ... »
Next time before posting any incorrect info, double-check the facts...
http://www.cdg.org/worldwide/index.asp »
OOPS 😉
Oh yeah, I and CDMA phones are better then you think:
http://www.samsung.com/PressCenter/PressRelease/Pres ... »
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also as far as the comsumer report goes, they state in their own article that a difference of .6%or less is negligible and that is how many points vz's cs was rated above cingulars.
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OK Mr. Verizon....Sell me a data device that I can get my e-mail in Europe.
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Even though there is a dual CDMA , GSM 900/1800 phone for VZ, I hate to feed trolls, as I am a happy GSM user (not that I have anything against CDMA, I just don't like VZW - too many BAD memories) 😛
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I'm glad you're happy with your service, and I respect that. BUT I AM EXTREMELY happy with Cingular so why would I move? (Been a Cinglar customer for over 10 years)
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Wow... That is amazing considering that Cingular was only formed in 2001... per Wikipedia.
Lets not get too wet in the panties people, they are only cell phones.
Lets not get too wet in the panties people, they are only cell phones.
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Wow... That is amazing considering that Cingular was only formed in 2001... per Wikipedia.
Lets not get too wet in the panties people, they are only cell phones.
i think he was meaning even before we aere cingular 🙄
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Well, before 2001 we were called 'Bell south wireless' but were still the same company. 🙄
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Now that Verizon has no roaming going with Cingular makes absolutely no sense!!! I wish all of you people with cingular service would just try Verizon for a week you would all be returning your Cingular equipment for Verizon stuff.
I mean c'mon lets think about it 2 of the most respected reporting agencies in the country rate Verizon's service #1 in all the major markets, these being J.D. Power and Consumer Reports. Do you guys really think these two reporting agencies are wrong and you guys are right? Or is it that you guys are just in denial??
First things first ATTW was a company going out of business before the buyout because there service was so terrible! And also Cingular was no good themse
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Or more importantly - pick what ever works best for you (plans, coverage, customer service, phones, etc.)
For me: AT&TWS: 2 lines (Samsung E316 - $50, Moto V505 $50), 39.99+9.99/month 1000 national anytime, unlimited m2m, unlimited n+w, free roaming, free inbound mms,sms,text, option of Canada roaming+ld for 9.99/month/line pro-rated
If anyone finds a better plan, I'd like to see it!
For me: AT&TWS: 2 lines (Samsung E316 - $50, Moto V505 $50), 39.99+9.99/month 1000 national anytime, unlimited m2m, unlimited n+w, free roaming, free inbound mms,sms,text, option of Canada roaming+ld for 9.99/month/line pro-rated
If anyone finds a better plan, I'd like to see it!
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Or more importantly - pick what ever works best for you (plans, coverage, customer service, phones, etc.)
For me: AT&TWS: 2 lines (Samsung E316 - $50, Moto V505 $50), 39.99+9.99/month 1000 national anytime, unlimited m2m, unlimited n+w, free roaming, free inbound mms,sms,text, option of Canada roaming+ld for 9.99/month/line pro-rated
If anyone finds a better plan, I'd like to see it!
Except that as of mar, 1,2005 the option for the N.A. package is being removed from the systems on the blue side.We got 2 e-mails about it today.On the TDMA side for an example, unless you are a customer on a Divestiture account market, All TDMA Digital One Rate plans and TDMA local plans have been "retired" ...
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I just got off the phone with C.S. The N.A. package is still available - no changes are listed according to C.S. 😛
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on the Blueside or orange, it was as previously stated only changed on the blue side, as for the tongue grow up!!Act your age not your shoesize
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A few points here:
Independent third party drive testing shows that Cingular outperforms VZW in more than 40 of the top 100 markets. This differs dramatically from "perceived" reliability studies such as those done by Consumer Reports. This is not to be confused with internal testing done by Verizon, either.
GSM is the fastest growing mobile technology in the world, in use in over 220 countries worldwide. CDMA can boast about 110 million users last figures I saw, with almost half of that total being in the US. GSM can boast nearly 1.3 BILLION, with roughly 66 million in the US just between T-Mobile and Cingular.
CDMA leads the way in technology? Don't make me laugh. Bluetooth and BREW can't co-exist, analog roaming to overcome cover...
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Independent third party drive testing shows that Cingular outperforms VZW in more than 40 of the top 100 markets. This differs dramatically from "perceived" reliability studies such as those done by Consumer Reports. This is not to be confused with internal testing done by Verizon, either.
GSM is the fastest growing mobile technology in the world, in use in over 220 countries worldwide. CDMA can boast about 110 million users last figures I saw, with almost half of that total being in the US. GSM can boast nearly 1.3 BILLION, with roughly 66 million in the US just between T-Mobile and Cingular.
CDMA leads the way in technology? Don't make me laugh. Bluetooth and BREW can't co-exist, analog roaming to overcome cover...
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Wrongo!!!!!!!
GSM is an aging technology... period. Why do you think Cingular and ATT and Voda and Orange and DoMoCo are all UMTS which is a W-CDMA technology.
Also, technically CDMA is the fastest growing technology because of South America, China, Korea, and India because these are celluar markets that have yet to be exploited.
Just some facts... most people think that the US and Europe are the only people in the world that use cell phones.
GSM is an aging technology... period. Why do you think Cingular and ATT and Voda and Orange and DoMoCo are all UMTS which is a W-CDMA technology.
Also, technically CDMA is the fastest growing technology because of South America, China, Korea, and India because these are celluar markets that have yet to be exploited.
Just some facts... most people think that the US and Europe are the only people in the world that use cell phones.
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Omg... i'm not uber-tech-man, but W-CDMA is not the same thing as CDMA. I'm not sure if you were saying that they were or not, but it sounded implied.
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No I didn't imply that... what implied was that companies are going away from GSM.
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No I didn't imply that... what implied was that companies are going away from GSM.
UMTS is a GSM CORE with a W-CDMA air interface. Very much GSM Based...
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okay, CDMA is a dying technology, the rest of the world is about 15 years ahead of the good 'ol US of A. GSM is what they are using--why would they downgrade to CDMA!?
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JessiCSR said:
It's actually a decendent of GSM if memory serves me.
I'm sure if we wait a few minutes someone will explain it all again. 😁
...but then somebody else will yell can call them "fan-boy" can we'll still be in the same situation.
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LOL... W-CDMA is a descendent of GSM... in terms of data encryption, but it is very different from GSM in speed, sprectrum and spread. Really all 3 are quite different.
The point that I was trying to make was that many peeps say that GSM is THE technology when actually its not. Companies are moving from GSM to W-CDMA much as you went from TDMA to GSM.
The point that I was trying to make was that many peeps say that GSM is THE technology when actually its not. Companies are moving from GSM to W-CDMA much as you went from TDMA to GSM.
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That's what W-cdma mainly is...a data network type.
Again W-cdma and CDMA are not the same, nor are they related.
Again W-cdma and CDMA are not the same, nor are they related.
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JessiCSR said:
That's what W-cdma mainly is...a data network type.
Again W-cdma and CDMA are not the same, nor are they related.
They are definately not the same, but they are related.
From what I understand, GSM and WCDMA are related in the core network type ,encryption, and infrastructure.
cdma and wcdma are related in spectrum type.
So, gsm and cdma are both related to wcdma, but cdma and gsm are not related to each other.
Basically, we have a few inlaws and 2nd cousins.
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I meant directly related, as in it has a GSM core. 🤣
Remember people(not necessarily you): just because it has CDMA in the name doesn't mean it's CDMA!
Remember people(not necessarily you): just because it has CDMA in the name doesn't mean it's CDMA!
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JessiCSR said:
I meant directly related, as in it has a GSM core. 🤣
Remember people(not necessarily you): just because it has CDMA in the name doesn't mean it's CDMA!
Exactly.
You can mix flour and water to make cake, or you can mix flour and water to make bread. Same ingredients, different product.
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They're not doing away with GSM, The implementation of UMTS/WCDMA will be to coexist w/ GSM... Second, CDMA is not the fastest growing even in the Asias, though it's influence has been growing GSM still claimed the title... Just some facts...
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maverick is a complete jack***. he posted a similar thread on the us cellular forum. the entire gsm cdma fight is retarded, the average customer is not going to notice any difference between the two. they both have there advantages and disadvanteges. verizon people wonder why they are so hated sometimes, look at what maverick says for a great reason why.
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maverick96 said:
CDMA is a greater technology than that of GSM. Also CDMA is the worlds fastest growing cellular technology!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA 🤣 🤣 🤣
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You posted this same rant in many forums, simply replacing the name of the carrier.
Please stop trolling and flamebaiting, or your account will be suspended.
Thank you.
Please stop trolling and flamebaiting, or your account will be suspended.
Thank you.
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Suspend an account because I speak the truth!!!!! I DON'T THINK SO!!!! All you geeks out there with your silly troll comments are funny, fact is I had cingular both the razor and the v551 and I did a comparison with cingular against Verizon. Verizon outperformed Cingular everytime with Cingular you hear nothing but staticy background noise and constant signal fluctuation, Verizon is smooth with no breakup all of you Cingular fans have to admit Verizon's call quality is much clearer and better this is a fact! Even GSM people will tell you call quality with CDMA is suprior to that of GSM and thats whats important anyway isn't it????
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I have had verizon and cingular. i did a test in walmart. where i normal get like 4 or 5 bars on my nokia phone, i had no service in the back of the store.
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did not mouth off to anyone just speaking truthfully is there a law against that???
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No. But trolling and flame-baiting is not allowed on thsi forum..and since this is a privately owned forum, it can have whatever rules it likes.
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Suspend an account because I speak the truth!!!!! I DON'T THINK SO!!!! All you geeks out there with your silly troll comments are funny, fact is I had cingular both the razor and the v551 and I did a comparison with cingular against Verizon. Verizon outperformed Cingular everytime with Cingular you hear nothing but staticy background noise and constant signal fluctuation, Verizon is smooth with no breakup all of you Cingular fans have to admit Verizon's call quality is much clearer and better this is a fact! Even GSM people will tell you call quality with CDMA is suprior to that of GSM and thats whats important anyway isn't it????
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Fair enough. I'm glad you're happy where you are, and I hope you help your friends and family find choices they'll be happy with.
Don't take the comments to personally though, we all need to calm down a little on the name calling.
Fair enough. I'm glad you're happy where you are, and I hope you help your friends and family find choices they'll be happy with.
Don't take the comments to personally though, we all need to calm down a little on the name calling.
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maverick96 said:
Suspend an account because I speak the truth!...
There's no need to be cute. Of course not.
It is not my place to say who is right or what is truthful. Everyone is absolutely entitled their opinion.
My concern is how you express that opinion.
It's one thing to express your opinions in a civilized way by saying something like "I had a bad experience with company X and a good experience with company Y." You can even say you think company X sucks if you believe that.
But there's a difference between that and posting the same thing in five forums, (which technically violates the Terms of Use,) just ranting and trying to start a fight (flaming / flamebaiting).
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I'm glad you took note of this person trolling on the Cingular forum. Could you please take care of the fool known as Kingfrog77 in the Verizon forum?
Lets not create a double standard here.
Lets not create a double standard here.
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LMAO!!!!!!!
You gave us Kingfrog aka manic diarhea mouth and we give you maverick!!!!
You gave us Kingfrog aka manic diarhea mouth and we give you maverick!!!!
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Now that Verizon has no roaming going with Cingular makes absolutely no sense!!! I wish all of you people with cingular service would just try Verizon for a week you would all be returning your Cingular equipment for Verizon stuff.
I mean c'mon lets think about it 2 of the most respected reporting agencies in the country rate Verizon's service #1 in all the major markets, these being J.D. Power and Consumer Reports. Do you guys really think these two reporting agencies are wrong and you guys are right? Or is it that you guys are just in denial??
First things first ATTW was a company going out of business before the buyout because there service was so terrible! And also Cingular was no good themse
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Then that is fine but F.Y.I. the test done by consumer reports was done after the merger!!
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No it wasn't it was it was just published after the fact... That is was AT&T was still included in it.
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Somebody please explain to me how CDMA technology sounds better than GSM. It simply doesn't.
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yeah ok. Verizon just sucks here their coverage is subpar 60% of the time I am roaming 30% I have no signal then 10% of the time I am actually on the native Verizon network. I can bearly make a call with Verizon in my house yet I have a full signal with Cingular. Also there is no way I would ever go away from a GSM phone it is VERY important to me to be able to chose any phone I want to use that day without having to make a call to my wireless carrier and wasting my time. I have several phones and all I have to do is pop my SIM out and use the phone of my choice. Cingular rocks in my book.
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I currently work for cingular, but I live in the upper midwest, thus cingular isn't available. I've had Cell One for fours year and then made the switch to Verizon and have been with them for two years now.
I only wish that Cingular was available in my area. The GSM phone selection is much better than Verizon's, and the rate plans give more bang for your buck than Verizon's. Plus the signal in my area leaves much to be desired, concidering we're in a fairly urban area (for the midwest that is..lol) The promos that we offer in former At&t Wireless and now Cingular for renewing contracts are much better than Verizon's. I'm getting ready to renew our Verizon contract (not by much choice) and all you can get for renewing is $100 towa...
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I currently work for cingular, but I live in the upper midwest, thus cingular isn't available. I've had Cell One for fours year and then made the switch to Verizon and have been with them for two years now.
I only wish that Cingular was available in my area. The GSM phone selection is much better than Verizon's, and the rate plans give more bang for your buck than Verizon's. Plus the signal in my area leaves much to be desired, concidering we're in a fairly urban area (for the midwest that is..lol) The promos that we offer in former At&t Wireless and now Cingular for renewing contracts are much better than Verizon's. I'm getting ready to renew our Verizon contract (not by much choice) and all you can get for renewing is $100 towa...
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All I will say is What are you talking about CDMA, learn the facts more countries worldwide choose GSM over CDMA, including Verizon's own parent company.....Vodafone! That is why Verizon has a part GSM part CDMA phone, because otherwise their customers couldn't travel overseas. Consumer reports will make data show however they want it, statistics can be rephrased to make you believe whatever.
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You know I just think it is amazing how some clowns come in and try to flaunt some survey of about 1000 people and then decide from that that they are the best. Verizon is best to you because it works best for you. Verizon just will not work for me. BREW is wack, 2 or 3 good hi-end phones but everything else is garbage, and overrated coverage. I purchased a Verizon phone and took it everywhere I took my Cingular phone. Guess what, they worked completely identical. Gosh, you people at Verizon sure have became overly insecure since you are not the largest carrier anymore.
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