Customer numbers---get your facts straight!
I'm so sick and tired of Cingular know-it-alls claiming that the company has the largest number of customers and dissing T-Mobile in the process.
For your information, the entire organization known as T-Mobile has over 109,000,000 customers around the world. Your puny Cingular has less than half that in just one country!
As I see it, on a global scale, Cingular is a spec of dust. And by the way, global is what matters! So T-Mo is bigger and Vodafone is bigger. Precious Cingular is a BIG way off of making any real impact on the global scene---where it really counts!
For your information, the entire organization known as T-Mobile has over 109,000,000 customers around the world. Your puny Cingular has less than half that in just one country!
As I see it, on a global scale, Cingular is a spec of dust. And by the way, global is what matters! So T-Mo is bigger and Vodafone is bigger. Precious Cingular is a BIG way off of making any real impact on the global scene---where it really counts!
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franc8200 said:
I'm so sick and tired of Cingular know-it-alls claiming that the company has the largest number of customers and dissing T-Mobile in the process.
For your information, the entire organization known as T-Mobile has over 109,000,000 customers around the world. Your puny Cingular has less than half that in just one country!
As I see it, on a global scale, Cingular is a spec of dust. And by the way, global is what matters! So T-Mo is bigger and Vodafone is bigger. Precious Cingular is a BIG way off of making any real impact on the global scene---where it really counts!
Is that where it really counts? for what? Does the average AMERICAN consumer care what company has more customers globall...
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You're still off...Vodafone is GSM operator around the world. So for Vodafone, Verizon Wireless is simply an off-shoot joint venture with Verizon. This JV doesn't really fit in with Vodafone's overall business. So don't try to take my logic and use it against me; it doesn't quite translate.
As for the average American, I can say a thing or two more about what they really care about. Nonetheless, I'll stick to this topic here and refresh your memory. Several times there have been posts where people question the future of T-Mo simply because it's in 4th place in the nation with under 20 million customers. What I'm saying is that that's not the case. T-Mo is a subsidiary of a much larger company and FAR greater resources. As fas as viability...
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As for the average American, I can say a thing or two more about what they really care about. Nonetheless, I'll stick to this topic here and refresh your memory. Several times there have been posts where people question the future of T-Mo simply because it's in 4th place in the nation with under 20 million customers. What I'm saying is that that's not the case. T-Mo is a subsidiary of a much larger company and FAR greater resources. As fas as viability...
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I don't think any company had great customer service. Everybody gets crabby on hold and get an attitude so of course they don't want to help a person out.
TMoblie USA is a different company that TMoblie Europe. Actually Tmoblie Europe considers the united states version a total flop. So, how are we expected to think they are so great when their owner even says they aren't?
As for customer base, tmobile over all has more users, but Cingular/ATT has more in the US, and for me, living in the US, thats all I care about. I don't really give a care whats going on in Europe.
TMoblie USA is a different company that TMoblie Europe. Actually Tmoblie Europe considers the united states version a total flop. So, how are we expected to think they are so great when their owner even says they aren't?
As for customer base, tmobile over all has more users, but Cingular/ATT has more in the US, and for me, living in the US, thats all I care about. I don't really give a care whats going on in Europe.
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Actually Tmoblie Europe considers the united states version a total flop.
That's a pretty big blanket statement to throw out with no substantiation. Do you have any kind of cite to back up your assertion?
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Well when I said service I was leaning towards voice coverage/enhanced services.
Secondly how does my logic fail? Vodafone makes billions and billions of dollars from VzW. To try and pass it off as just a little side project is quite an understatement. On the other hand, TMUSA I imagine is in the red. In wich case T-mo may just decide to dump it. I know that there have been bids put on it in the past.
Don't worry though I get it. The Cingular kids are barking cause their currently top dogs in customer base, you work for t-mo and are coming to the defense. If anything at least its cool that you guys take pride in your companies.
Secondly how does my logic fail? Vodafone makes billions and billions of dollars from VzW. To try and pass it off as just a little side project is quite an understatement. On the other hand, TMUSA I imagine is in the red. In wich case T-mo may just decide to dump it. I know that there have been bids put on it in the past.
Don't worry though I get it. The Cingular kids are barking cause their currently top dogs in customer base, you work for t-mo and are coming to the defense. If anything at least its cool that you guys take pride in your companies.
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Actually, you don't get it. I'm just a humble telco analyst who is ticked off at self-presumed know-it-alls giving weight to numbers without working through the thought process.
I'm not affiliated with either company, except that I'm a customer of Cingular (and yet I come to T-Mo's defense).
But the point I'm getting across is that Verizon Wireless is a project that Vodafone would definitely want to get out of if it had a good alternative. Vodafone would have happily taken AT&T if it had won the auction. That hookup makes more sense than the CDMA technology that it currently operates in conjunction with Verizon in the US. My point is that Vodafone may not be as willing to prop up this JV since it has clearly explored (and still explore...
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I'm not affiliated with either company, except that I'm a customer of Cingular (and yet I come to T-Mo's defense).
But the point I'm getting across is that Verizon Wireless is a project that Vodafone would definitely want to get out of if it had a good alternative. Vodafone would have happily taken AT&T if it had won the auction. That hookup makes more sense than the CDMA technology that it currently operates in conjunction with Verizon in the US. My point is that Vodafone may not be as willing to prop up this JV since it has clearly explored (and still explore...
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Actually, you don't get it. I'm just a humble telco analyst who is ticked off at self-presumed know-it-alls giving weight to numbers without working through the thought process.
Then take your ticked off biased self and go home. Tmobile is a good company, but their coverage in the US is scarce. They have extensive roaming agreements on Cingular towers that will expire here shortly. Tmobile is definately considered a different company that Deutch Telcom, at least according to Deutch Telcom themselves. The Mother company does not consider Tmobile USA a success, though in the last year or two they have made some good progress.
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What are you even saying???
Right now, DT's only revenue driver is T-Mo, and by T-Mo I mean T-Mo USA.
If it weren't for T-Mo USA, DT would have no revenue growth for the time being. DT is very happy with T-Mo USA and thus T-Mo International is happy with T-Mo USA.
It seems like you've been getting your intelligence (or lack thereof) from the same sources as the American government.
Right now, DT's only revenue driver is T-Mo, and by T-Mo I mean T-Mo USA.
If it weren't for T-Mo USA, DT would have no revenue growth for the time being. DT is very happy with T-Mo USA and thus T-Mo International is happy with T-Mo USA.
It seems like you've been getting your intelligence (or lack thereof) from the same sources as the American government.
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What are you even saying???
Right now, DT's only revenue driver is T-Mo, and by T-Mo I mean T-Mo USA.
If it weren't for T-Mo USA, DT would have no revenue growth for the time being. DT is very happy with T-Mo USA and thus T-Mo International is happy with T-Mo USA.
It seems like you've been getting your intelligence (or lack thereof) from the same sources as the American government.
First off, you can take your childish insults and go play with Saddam Hussein for all I care. Secondly, IF what you are saying about Tmobile USA is true, then it is only true within the last year. As many people will tell you, Tmobile USA is considered an abyssmal failure by it's european pa...
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Vodafone is 45% owner in VZW, Verizon is the majority owner with 55%, FYI.
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you have totally missed the entire point about who has the most customers--the point is who has the largest mobile to mobile pool and for US consumers that means cingular or verizon and after the sprint nextel merger tmobiles mtm pool is going to look so sad they will have to shoot themselves in the foot and offer unprofitable plans to keep customers satisfied with their weak coverage, poor phone selection---oh thats what they are already doing--I realise that a huge government proped up telcom like douche telcom doesnt care about making money and a good thing too because if they had to answer to share owners and not a socialist electorate they would be screwed because they loose billions on t-mobile USA--think realls hard about why they sta...
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o come on now.. give it a few years ..my prediction:
verizon and tmoibile merge.
sprint/nextel merges with cingular/att...
microsoft buys verizon/tmobile..
2 years later microsoft buys eveyrthing else
verizon and tmoibile merge.
sprint/nextel merges with cingular/att...
microsoft buys verizon/tmobile..
2 years later microsoft buys eveyrthing else
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but # of customers is a neccessary but not substantial idea of how a company is doing. however, having the most customers (in america) does give you some bragging rights.. just as tmobile can brag about them having most customers on a global scale..
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Well T-mo cant even brag about customer base globally. Vodafone is the global telecom giant. Actually if you ask me 109m worldwide when Cingular has close to half that in one country is nothing to brag about at all.
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I don't verizon and tmobile will merge. Its more likely since tmobile is gsm and not cdma that they will be bought out by cingular/att.
sprint/nextel will merge with verizon, and that would really dominate that market then. And microsoft is well, mircosoft and can pretty much do whatever the hell they want. I don't think they can buy out everybody though, and create a monopoly like that, seeing as how thats against the law. But they have enough money to pay off a few judges right? Thats just my guess.
sprint/nextel will merge with verizon, and that would really dominate that market then. And microsoft is well, mircosoft and can pretty much do whatever the hell they want. I don't think they can buy out everybody though, and create a monopoly like that, seeing as how thats against the law. But they have enough money to pay off a few judges right? Thats just my guess.
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I think that verizon and Alltel will merge because they have been debating on it for a while but never did anything or this is what i heard.
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The entire organization known as T-Mobile has as many customers as about what is contained in the left hemisphere of my sac... Vodaphone may have more, but I know the english language and nothing about the UA/North American Carrier we call T-Mobile outsizes Cingular/ATTWS
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