I'm New Here----This is for all of thoes that don't want at&t to have their social security number
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September 24, 2007
activate your iphone without a social security number (ssn)
Filed under: other — muhammad saleem @ 8:38 am
if you don’t care about the story and just came here looking for the short answer: you can bypass the social security number by using the following number instead: 141-11-1111. this is the number at&t uses internally for cases where they want to permit customers to bypass the ssn field. your phone will be registered but you have two options: either you can pay a security deposit of $90 to $1000 ( since they can’t run a credit check without a ssn) or you can register for a pre-paid plan.
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September 24, 2007
activate your iphone without a social security number (ssn)
Filed under: other — muhammad saleem @ 8:38 am
if you don’t care about the story and just came here looking for the short answer: you can bypass the social security number by using the following number instead: 141-11-1111. this is the number at&t uses internally for cases where they want to permit customers to bypass the ssn field. your phone will be registered but you have two options: either you can pay a security deposit of $90 to $1000 ( since they can’t run a credit check without a ssn) or you can register for a pre-paid plan.
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I wouldn't worry. If you think that the US government doesn't have access to your SSN you are deluding yourself. I just look at it this way-what are you doing that you don't want them to have your SSN? The gov. can get any info about you that they want just by getting a warrant based on "suspicious behavior". They are only "supposed" to use it to obtain credit scores, but who really knows what they really use it for.
Also, don't think ATT is the only one of the three that give "back-door access" to your records. Verizon can give the FBI permission to remotely turn on On-Star and tape conversations in car with a warrant (see San Diego City Councilmen-Gentleman's Club incident. Three Councilman were taped via On-Star in their vehicles...
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Also, don't think ATT is the only one of the three that give "back-door access" to your records. Verizon can give the FBI permission to remotely turn on On-Star and tape conversations in car with a warrant (see San Diego City Councilmen-Gentleman's Club incident. Three Councilman were taped via On-Star in their vehicles...
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the whole OnStart thing is a load of crap. OnStar is suppose to be a service to help you out in emergencies, not another way for the gov't to spy on us.
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So then, disable it.
It's going to just get easier and easier for the Government to watch you. I don't do anything to warrent suspicious behavior, but if I ever turned into "The Fugitive", I know how to unhook stuff like that and "wipe" yourself off the system.
AT&T need to perform a credit check. If you don't like that, don't get a two year contract, and make sure your phone is disabled on "find location". But, if you're trying to stay off the charts, a prepaid phone is the ONLY way to go.
It's going to just get easier and easier for the Government to watch you. I don't do anything to warrent suspicious behavior, but if I ever turned into "The Fugitive", I know how to unhook stuff like that and "wipe" yourself off the system.
AT&T need to perform a credit check. If you don't like that, don't get a two year contract, and make sure your phone is disabled on "find location". But, if you're trying to stay off the charts, a prepaid phone is the ONLY way to go.
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chainmail311 said:
So then, disable it.
It's going to just get easier and easier for the Government to watch you. I don't do anything to warrent suspicious behavior, but if I ever turned into "The Fugitive", I know how to unhook stuff like that and "wipe" yourself off the system.
AT&T need to perform a credit check. If you don't like that, don't get a two year contract, and make sure your phone is disabled on "find location". But, if you're trying to stay off the charts, a prepaid phone is the ONLY way to go.
I have On Star. If some bored headset wrapped employee in a cubicle is bored they are free to listen to me singing in m car!
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Really! The only thing we have to fear is a Government that rids itself of the Constitution and Laws, and becomes a power hungry facist/communist country.
Just keep your guns, and you'll be okay. And your cell phones "off".
Just keep your guns, and you'll be okay. And your cell phones "off".
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Having your cellphone off does not ensure protection. Perhaps you should rethink your poorly conceived position.
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Having your cellphone off does not ensure protection. Perhaps you should rethink your poorly conceived position.
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FBI taps cell phone mic as eavesdropping tool
By Declan McCullagh and Anne Broache
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
Published: December 1, 2006, 2:20 PM PST
Last modified: December 1, 2006, 6:35 PM PST
The FBI appears to have begun using a novel form of electronic surveillance in criminal investigations: remotely activating a mobile phone's microphone and using it to eavesdrop on nearby conversations.
The technique is called a "roving bug," and was approved by top U.S. Department of Justice officials for use against members of a New York organized crime family who were wary of conventional surve
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That article is awesome. Glad all I talk about is how cute my baby daughter is to my relatives. I can hear the Imperial March now. We already have the Death Star (ATT logo) now we just need an Emperor and his willing apprentice and we are a go!
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I have to admit: That's pretty damn cool.
I have a katana II. TAP THAT JERKS! Just take the battery out when you want total privacy. Or leave the phone home.
I have a katana II. TAP THAT JERKS! Just take the battery out when you want total privacy. Or leave the phone home.
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Having your cellphone off does not ensure protection. Perhaps you should rethink your poorly conceived position.
FBI taps cell phone mic as eavesdropping tool
By Declan McCullagh and Anne Broache
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
Published: December 1, 2006, 2:20 PM PST
Last modified: December 1, 2006, 6:35 PM PST
The FBI appears to have begun using a novel form of electronic surveillance in criminal investigations: remotely activating a mobile phone's microphone and using it to eavesdrop on nearby conversations.
The technique is called a "roving bug," and was approved by top U.S. Department of Justice officials for use against members of a New York organized crime fa
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😳 Too bad we got that pesky constitution....
Punishing the majority because of the minority - that makes perfect sense.
Punishing the majority because of the minority - that makes perfect sense.
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AvgJoe said:
IF you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about and will be living in a safer environment.
Really? What's your real name then? What state and city do you live in? What's your street address? What's your wife's name?
Statements like your's above infuriate me to no end because it's clear people who make such statements have no comprehension of history or understand the very principles that our country was founded on.
You fail to recognize that you are ignoring the 4th, 5th, and 9nth amendments in the Bill of Rights among other rights and protections from our government enshrined in our founding documents.
Brush Schneier eloquently has addressed this issue and those who...
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Just a load of paranoia.
I have no issue with the GOVERNMENT doing whatever is necessary to keep those who would break the laws those we elect pass.
Video at intersections and parking lots. If Lane Bryant had video cameras they would have got the guy who killed 5 women there. They busted a few politicians in Las Vegas tapping into a car On Star system. Thats a good thing.
As far as the Constitution goes. It does not apply in todays US.
Perhaps in the 1700's the constitution was great. Its not so great today. I sincerely doubt the founders would have written the same document in today's reckless and irresponsible society.
Do you really believe Jefferson and Franklin would have allowed Hustler magazine under "freedom of the pr...
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I have no issue with the GOVERNMENT doing whatever is necessary to keep those who would break the laws those we elect pass.
Video at intersections and parking lots. If Lane Bryant had video cameras they would have got the guy who killed 5 women there. They busted a few politicians in Las Vegas tapping into a car On Star system. Thats a good thing.
As far as the Constitution goes. It does not apply in todays US.
Perhaps in the 1700's the constitution was great. Its not so great today. I sincerely doubt the founders would have written the same document in today's reckless and irresponsible society.
Do you really believe Jefferson and Franklin would have allowed Hustler magazine under "freedom of the pr...
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As far as the Constitution goes. It does not apply in todays US. Perhaps in the 1700's the constitution was great. Its not so great today. I sincerely doubt the founders would have written the same document in today's reckless and irresponsible society.
😳 Unbelievable.
AvgJoe said:
Do you really believe Jefferson and Franklin would have allowed Hustler magazine under "freedom of the press" I doubt it.
That's called bigotry. I think both Jefferson and Franklin recognized the need to protect people from prejudiced people who are intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from their own.
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As far as the Constitution goes. It does not apply in todays US. Perhaps in the 1700's the constitution was great. Its not so great today. I sincerely doubt the founders would have written the same document in today's reckless and irresponsible society.
😳 Unbelievable.AvgJoe said:
Do you really believe Jefferson and Franklin would have allowed Hustler magazine under "freedom of the press" I doubt it.
That's called bigotry. I think both Jefferson and Franklin recognized the need to protect people from prejudiced people who are intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from their own.
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AvgJoe said:
Those who would take the parts of the constitution literally in todays world for their own immoral activities are really in the vocal minority.
Whose morals? Your morals? Buddhist, Christian, Muslim, Puritan or other's morals?
Any way you slice it, it is bigotry when you impose your intolerance on consenting adults. We all have the right to live our lives as we see fit despite prejudiced people who are intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from their own.
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And thats why you will not see a liberal in the WH anytime soon. Bet on it. We don't need ACLU judges on the courts making laws rather then interpreting the Constitution on moral
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captainplooky said:...AvgJoe said:
Those who would take the parts of the constitution literally in todays world for their own immoral activities are really in the vocal minority.
Whose morals? Your morals? Buddhist, Christian, Muslim, Puritan or other's morals?
Any way you slice it, it is bigotry when you impose your intolerance on consenting adults. We all have the right to live our lives as we see fit despite prejudiced people who are intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from their own.AvgJoe said:
And thats why you will not see a liberal in the WH anytime soon. Bet on it. We don't need ACLU judges on the courts making laws rather then
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AvgJoe said:
Morals are self explanatory, OF course anyone can claim child porn is freedom of the press.
So you think Hustler is child porn? Or are you using child porn to illicit a knee-jerk emotional response, as opposed to a rational, logical response?
Infringing of the rights of another in such a manner is wrong and not protected.
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Morals are self explanatory, OF course anyone can claim child porn is freedom of the press.
That has yielded us genocide (American Indians), slavery (for a time), segregation, and the exclusion of women from a say in their government just to name a few.
At one point in time the moral majority felt it was wro...
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Which implies that you believe the moral majority should be able to... what burn books or magazines they deem offensive? This is an accurate description is it not, and if not, how so?
Yes there should be a clear and concise basis of morality. Even Thomas Jefferson who may or may not have been a Christian believed that the ethical system of Jesus was the finest the world has ever seen. In fact he wrote the Jefferson Bible which more than proves in the morals and ethics of Jesus were the proper basis for life even if one did not believe in the actual resurrection and associated dogmas.
Now would Jefferson in believing that consider even Hustler or Playboy magazione within the ethical systems of Jesus Christ?
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AvgJoe said:Which implies that you believe the moral majority should be able to... what burn books or magazines they deem offensive? This is an accurate description is it not, and if not, how so?
Yes there should be a clear and concise basis of morality.
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Thankfully there are protections in place in government for the current minority from the whims of the majority. This being a perfect example of why such protections are necessary and needed.
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Now would Jefferson in believing that consider even Hustler or Playboy magazione within the ethical systems of Jesus Christ?
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Doesn't sound to me like someone who wold support homosexu
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robtheman said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_related_ ... »
1891. I was way off.
And those events beginning in 2000 eclipse all other events by a long way. Now its every few months.
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Yeah, weird. You would think something like that might have to do with the increased ease of obtaining automatic deadly weapons and the legacy these murderers get from the media. You're right though. It's because we're taking God out of schools. Strange that one of them happened at a Lutheran school. Anyway, thank you for showing me the light!
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robtheman said:
Yeah, weird. You would think something like that might have to do with the increased ease of obtaining automatic deadly weapons and the legacy these murderers get from the media. You're right though. It's because we're taking God out of schools. Strange that one of them happened at a Lutheran school. Anyway, thank you for showing me the light!
Media Legacy was ALWAYS there. Especially since it was a much rarer event. Soon it will be so common, it will be a blip on the 6:00 news. I cannot show you any "light". No one can. You need to find it for yourself like everyone else..
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Was it? I can't remember a school shooting before Columbine, but they happened.
And God didn't protect the Lutheran school shooting.
And it's much easier to obtain deadly weapons today than it has been in the past because the technology is much more advanced.
And God didn't protect the Lutheran school shooting.
And it's much easier to obtain deadly weapons today than it has been in the past because the technology is much more advanced.
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robtheman said:
If memory serves me correctly, the first school shooting was in the 50s.
Show me ANY time in history where as many kids were killed in schools as as happened in the last few years. Its a far more Common event today than ever. I beleive it's becasue suddenly the minority of those who do not believe in God are causing the seperation of God from the schools and people ingeneral.
This will be the downfall of this country. It's already started. Morals are absent. Men are having sex with men and children (NAMBLA) and calling it acceptable.
Sorry I would rather live in a moral society rather then a liberal socialist "free" immoral one.
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Do you think that might have something to do with the weapons available today? It would have been a lot harder to go on a killing spree 100 years ago.
The Greeks accepted sexual activity with young boys. They also gave birth to things like democracy. Weird!
Morals are relative. What you see as moral are not necessarily what everyone sees as morals. For example, I see oppression every day of my life. Some people don't see that because they are in the Christian majority. Is oppression ok? It must be because we're currently in a "moral" society.
The Greeks accepted sexual activity with young boys. They also gave birth to things like democracy. Weird!
Morals are relative. What you see as moral are not necessarily what everyone sees as morals. For example, I see oppression every day of my life. Some people don't see that because they are in the Christian majority. Is oppression ok? It must be because we're currently in a "moral" society.
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There have been an increase in car accidents in the last 50 years. It's because we put God on our money. That is the only logical explanation.
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I was thinking we've had terrible hurricanes destroy places in the US since we put God on our money.
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i'm not going to get into a political debate here, but i'm tired of people like you who think it is ok for our gov't to become an all-knowing, all-seeing god-like entity. with such things as the Patriot Act and crap like this, its only a matter of time before THEY know where we are at any given minute. yea you say that if you dont do anything wrong then there is no need to worry about it, but the fact is that they shouldn't have that power to begin with.
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you watch too many movies.
if they weren't granted that power, buddy, you'd have a lot more 9-11's! So live with it or go to Canada.
if they weren't granted that power, buddy, you'd have a lot more 9-11's! So live with it or go to Canada.
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chainmail311 said:
if they weren't granted that power, buddy, you'd have a lot more 9-11's! So live with it or go to Canada.
Do it or die eh?
What a crock of ****. This is nothing more than fear mongering.
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what's to fear? the government? meh. It's easy to take yourself off the map if you need to.
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bwhahahahaha. you my friend are a moron. the gov't doing things like this have nothing to do with whether or not there will be another 9/11 or anything like it. gee i think i remember that 9/11 was done by people from another country. and even if it wasnt, the gov't would have had to been listening to them at the exact right times to pick up on anything. not that they did **** to prevent it once they found out things weren't going right. you put way too much faith into the thought that our gov't has our good intentions in mind. they are just a money hunrgy entity now adays. the whole "for the people, by the people, of the people" days are long gone. now its more like "lets screw them everyway possible."
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freedomcapcity said:
i'm not going to get into a political debate here, but i'm tired of people like you who think it is ok for our gov't to become an all-knowing, all-seeing god-like entity. with such things as the Patriot Act and crap like this, its only a matter of time before THEY know where we are at any given minute. yea you say that if you dont do anything wrong then there is no need to worry about it, but the fact is that they shouldn't have that power to begin with.
This from someone who is with Verizon who controls EVERYTHING about your wireless experience?
I'd move if I were that paranoid....$40K a year goes a long way in Costa Rica
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It has nothing to do with paranoia.
Apparently you have no student of history.
Apparently you have no student of history.
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HahaHaha said:
( since they can’t run a credit check without a ssn)
This statement is incorrect.
SSN's can ease the facilitation of a credit check but are not necessary to perform one.
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They actually don't affect the actual process of the credit application as far as ease goes but the statement in that article was true about charging a deposit if no ssn is provided.
Ours we have no problem running it without a ssn, we just need them to have 2 forms of i.d and they have an automatic 150 deposit.
Ours we have no problem running it without a ssn, we just need them to have 2 forms of i.d and they have an automatic 150 deposit.
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I don't think that's a credit check. They require a $150 dollar deposit because they don't know your credit.
I think a SSN IS required for a credit check. If it wasn't, then we wouldn't ask for it.
I think a SSN IS required for a credit check. If it wasn't, then we wouldn't ask for it.
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It probably differs per carrier, it goes throught the same process as a normal credit application.
On our main credit application page has a section to either enter a ssn or bypass it. If we choose to bypass it everything is the same as if there is a ssn, but there is a section where we'd have to pick which 2nd form of i.d the customer brought it.
On our main credit application page has a section to either enter a ssn or bypass it. If we choose to bypass it everything is the same as if there is a ssn, but there is a section where we'd have to pick which 2nd form of i.d the customer brought it.
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So in essence you are right, the $150 deposit is just req'd because of the lack of credit knowledge. I'm just saying ours without a ssn goes throught the same process as if they had one.
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does it turn up with no deposit? or is that just a way to get another ID to run credit?
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It always comes back with that deposit if there's no ssn, but we have to make copies of 2 forms of i.d if they don't have one just for further identification.
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well then, you're not doing a credit check. You're basically double id'ing the person and giving a deposit.
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okay. but it's not a credit check. You do need a SN to have a credit check in America.
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IT'S fun when they don't want to give a ssn but they give you a drivers license and a Social security card as the 2 forms of id. 🙄
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I've actually never had that! The most common 2nd forms I get are the last 4 number of a credit/debit card, a paystub, voter registration card or mexican consular card.
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Since the governement issued the Social Security Number in the first place, they know what it is before you do.
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chainmail311 said:
I think a SSN IS required for a credit check. If it wasn't, then we wouldn't ask for it.
Incorrect.
A SSN is not required for a credit check. The credit agency performing the check can verify and cross reference unique information such as name, address, date of birth and other info to verify the right person and place info on credit files.
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but, to do it VERY quickly, you need a Social, right? Is that why wireless carriers ask for a social to sign w/o deposit?
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Plooky is correct (pains me to say).
You do not need a ssn to complete a credit check AND not giving one does not mean you automatically must pay a deposit. Requiring such would be extremely illegal under federal credit discrimination laws (because you refuse to provide your ssn you are penalized??).
It is needed for ease, speed and convenience. And most consumers do not know the information that must be verified in order to complete the process.
You do not need a ssn to complete a credit check AND not giving one does not mean you automatically must pay a deposit. Requiring such would be extremely illegal under federal credit discrimination laws (because you refuse to provide your ssn you are penalized??).
It is needed for ease, speed and convenience. And most consumers do not know the information that must be verified in order to complete the process.
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All I was saying before is whenever we do one and they don't provide us with a ssn it comes back with a 150 deposit. I'm not saying it's right or that every carrier does that. It's just been that way with us since I've been with this company.
But I did think there were other things they could check your credit with besides just a ssn.
But I did think there were other things they could check your credit with besides just a ssn.
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A $150 deposit is usually assessed on a customer with no credit history but other stable background factors. It is very likely coincidence that every customer you have encountered with no SSN to provide happened to be a $150 deposit. You could have a customer with no credit history with a $500 deposit because they move every 6 months or change jobs often.
Every company has a different risk model to which they plug in the info they get from the Credit Reporting Agencies (CRA).
Every company has a different risk model to which they plug in the info they get from the Credit Reporting Agencies (CRA).
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I suppose, and every customer I have had since I've been selling this service has came back with that deposit with no ssn. But I suppose it could just be coincidence because I do agree that it wouldn't be right to just outright charge someone a deposit because they didn't want to give us their soc.
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Well if they're in write off with us then it's a $250 deposit and I've had one person come back with a 2 line approval $500 per line, but that was a couple years back.
Lately I haven't seen anything over $150 though.
Lately I haven't seen anything over $150 though.
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if anyone really listens to this crap then you are as dumb as the person who posted it! This does not work you'll come up under analyst review and they'll ask for the persons real SSN. 👿
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You might wanna call the at&t fraud department to learn how things really work so that you don't have your ass handed to you when you make such patently false statements.
You might wanna call the at&t fraud department to learn how things really work so that you don't have your ass handed to you when you make such patently false statements.
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Soo... I just decided to try this out at our store to see if this is true. The name was a real name...everything was real except the social and it kept asking us to fax drivers license to them or correct social. So i really, honestly dont believe this is true. At least not for at&t. 😉
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