And you, sir, sound like an A***** hole

Yes because your response is constructive as well, lol. At least wombough is correct about Verizon in West Texas, our Tech Hands for the company I work for never have service out there.

and you should only have two * after the letter A, unless you are dragging out the word, then you used it correctly.

There is no exciting news in the VZW forum except that they finally got a new PDA that costs like $500. hmmm. so he has to come in here and read something exciting and try to make VZW look good.

I'm sure you will love your Blackberry Curve. ATT has the most blackberry customer of any other wireless carrier. I had a blackberry before getting iphone. I can tell you that I NEVER had a problem with the phone or service.

The VZW guy is just jealous because he actually believes the commercials and thinks that they have the BEST network. Marketing Marketing Marketing.

amen

www.verizonwireless.com/bestnetwork

it isnt just marketing, its called testing. VZW makes calls on AT&Ts network to test as well. VZW has info to back up their most reliable network claim, what does AT&T have to back up its "the network you can trust" claim?

Do your research, you'll find it.

I read that wrong. Sorry,wombough.

Its-The-Network said:
Sure every att customer is a hardcore phone guru, pls. verizon's open access will give those tiny tiny percentage of hard core phone geeks the option to choose different phones.

No ATT customers are not technical gurus. But those who are will choose them because those people are and want the unencumbered choices GSM offers, such as using a few phones. I'll take the Sony Z520 to the beach and leave the Nokia at home. Just swap the card. My phones are unbranded with all the features the manufacturer designed implemented including the GUI. They have to connect with any network automatically without carrier involvement.

I demand that more then receiving or making a call "where the buf...
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stop you are making it hard for him to respond!!

wombough said:
stop you are making it hard for him to respond!!

Nah. I understand why people choose Verizon and who they are. Most people are not tech savvy and view a phone as a phone only. Thats what it is to most people. Verizon offers E A S Y. You get hand held through the process of upgrading. You get a phone with a recognizable GUI. EASY.
No "complicated" BT computer setup to move files and pics just download from the "air" and pay a fee. EASY.

As younger tech savvy user get older Verizon will become "Grandpas" wireless carrier. Like Buick. Verizon will have to evolve to accommodate the younger more tech savvy demanding users who will move to GSM for freedom of choice. They are beginning that...
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🤣

Using a wireless phone makes you "tech savvy"?

That's hilarious - little does my mom know that's she's a computer programmer cause she can set the time on the VCR.

Hey, us sales reps go through vigerous online training classes to learn these phones 🙄

captainplooky said:
🤣

Using a wireless phone makes you "tech savvy"?

That's hilarious - little does my mom know that's she's a computer programmer cause she can set the time on the VCR.

You apparently have no clue. I'll bet you have an iPhone. LOL

Yes the most tech savvy people have far more featured phones and have the ability to understand what the technology brings and how it is implemented to the benefit of their daily lives.

You have to be tech savvy to do research and understand technical capabilities to buy an unbranded phone from Europe without a warranty for $600 without worry.

Something many don't bother to do as they look for EASY and follow the hand held crowd to their Wire...
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AvgJoe said:
You apparently have no clue. I'll bet you have an iPhone. LOL

I'm clued in well enough to call you out your bullshit 🤣

captainplooky said:

AvgJoe said:
You apparently have no clue. I'll bet you have an iPhone. LOL

I'm clued in well enough to call you out your bull**** 🤣

Bring it. Tell me all about how your lack of choice is better. Tell me all bout how crippled phones are better. Tell me how you can switch phones in two seconds because you don't need your $500 phone at the beach.Tell me how you can transfer everything in your phone to your PC automatically without dealing with the network. Yeah it's all BS. LOL



No wait I know..


It's E A S Y. Thats Verizon. Easy sells.

Change the subject much?

Using a wireless phone does not make you "tech savvy" if your are an at&t customer, as opposed to, a verizon customer - as you would contend.

captainplooky said:
Change the subject much?

Using a wireless phone does not make you "tech savvy" if your are an at&t customer, as opposed to, a verizon customer - as you would contend.

Using a wireless phone does not make you tech savvy. CHOOSING a wireless phone and carrier to match with your needs and demands does.

Verizon does it all for you. So will ATT. However with ATT you can go outside the box and get exactly what you want without interference from the carrier and get more featured phones.

Show me a Verizon phone I can buy on Ebay or any Phone retailer and have it working without any carrier communication in 5 minutes after opening the box....BTW WITH all contacts/pictures/ringtones in ...
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AvgJoe said:
You have to be tech savvy in wireless phones to make that happen........all by yourself.

So you are saying that the for the less than 10% of the US population that gives a damn about something like that, a GSM carrier is the best choice and for the other 90% that VZW is?

congratz?

As for getting all your contacts/pictures/ringtones to a new VZW phone in 5 mins after opening the box without contacting the carrier, that is all a matter of how fast you are going and how much crap you are transfering.
You pride yourself on being tech savvy, but my guess is if you had a VZW phone you would be hard pressed to do the above task... guess AT&T is E A S Y 🤣 Because the above case can be do...
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LOL You're kidding right? Since when can you transfer all your contracts by changing a card in a Verizon phone or transferring your current ringtones? I have three phones with the same ringtones and never had to use the network.

In that regard GSM is easy. Very easy. flexible, and convenient to do the things more tech savvy people who like making their OWN choices regarding their needs rather then "mommy" carrier. Verizon is easy for those who just want to make calls. That being true they still won't gain a major majority market share.

MOst people don't care for this kind of flexibility. Hell most people on these forums are afraid to buy an unbranded unlocked phone. They don;t know what they are missing out on and assume phones like t...
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AvgJoe said:
LOL You're kidding right? Since when can you transfer all your contracts by changing a card in a Verizon phone or transferring your current ringtones? I have three phones with the same ringtones and never had to use the network.

I never said it was done using a card... and you never said it needed to be done without accessing the network. Good thing we are talking about wireless phones that are able to utilize the wireless network, so doing something without doing so is pretty irrelevant.

But once again, contgratz, I am glad you have found a nice simple tech that doesnt require you to be tech savvy 🤣

primus said:

AvgJoe said:
LOL You're kidding right? Since when can you transfer all your contracts by changing a card in a Verizon phone or transferring your current ringtones? I have three phones with the same ringtones and never had to use the network.

I never said it was done using a card... and you never said it needed to be done without accessing the network. Good thing we are talking about wireless phones that are able to utilize the wireless network, so doing something without doing so is pretty irrelevant.
:

I have indicated I want to do all transfers and phone changes without carrier involvement. That includes the network. I don't have to call anyone of find an I...
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You pointed out an amazing point.

I have the Tilt(which is an amazing phone) and sometimes ill go to the club, bar, boating, snowboarding(you get the idea) and I dont want to take it with me... So I just pop my simcard out and put it in a motorola c139 that I got for 8 dollars at wallmart and im worry free.. AHHHH Verizon cant do that.


That is why im with att, and the coverage in Columbus Ohio is flawless.

Oh, want to travel internationaly??!?!?!?! just get an unlock code and BAM stick that prepaid sim card in and use it in any country.

AND...... Our plans are the same as Crapizon in cost yet you dont get rollover with them..

Ha....

thebiggestguy said:
Oh, want to travel internationaly??!?!?!?! just get an unlock code and BAM stick that prepaid sim card in and use it in any country.

Good luck with that.

It has been illustrated numerous times in this forum that obtaining unlock codes is not as easy and trouble-free as you are portraying.

captainplooky said:

thebiggestguy said:
Oh, want to travel internationaly??!?!?!?! just get an unlock code and BAM stick that prepaid sim card in and use it in any country.

Good luck with that.

It has been illustrated numerous times in this forum that obtaining unlock codes is not as easy and trouble-free as you are portraying.

Actually it's easier then you think and gets easier everyday. However those who travel internationally will be savvy enough to buy an unbranded unlocked phone in the first place.

Interesting.

Then perhaps you could explain why Glenn Lurie, Cingular's president of national distribution told journalists at the Consumer Electronics Show (CES 2007) that:

While "there are bad guys out there that unlock phones," Lurie said, Apple and Cingular are taking unspecified steps to make the phone more difficult to unlock and use on other GSM carriers in the US.

So not only does the company President view it as "criminal" (unless you define "bad guys" differently) they also take extra steps to make it even more difficult in some cases.

Also, here is an interesting read about the ease of the process - minus the ease with sprinkled incompetence on top.

https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/fo »...
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captainplooky said:
Interesting.

Then perhaps you could explain why Glenn Lurie, Cingular's president of national distribution told journalists at the Consumer Electronics Show (CES 2007) that:

While "there are bad guys out there that unlock phones," Lurie said, Apple and Cingular are taking unspecified steps to make the phone more difficult to unlock and use on other GSM carriers in the US.

So not only does the company President view it as "criminal" (unless you define "bad guys" differently) they also take extra steps to make it even more difficult in some cases.

Also, here is an interesting read about the ease of the process - minus the ease with sprinkled incompetence on top.

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You seem to have a hard time staying subject in your responses.

AvgJoe said:
I don't blame ATT or Apple for how they choose ripoff those who don't know better or don't care about their business practices

There we have it. The truth finally revealed.

People are there to be taken advantage when they don't know any better.

Not only that, but they will be flexible and give you choices about how you can be ripped off according to AvgJoe.

captainplooky said:
You seem to have a hard time staying subject in your responses.

AvgJoe said:
I don't blame ATT or Apple for how they choose ripoff those who don't know better or don't care about their business practices

There we have it. The truth finally revealed.

People are there to be taken advantage when they don't know any better.

Not only that, but they will be flexible and give you choices about how you can be ripped off according to AvgJoe.

Your first statement is correct. your second is not. I do not consider myself ripped of by ATT at all. I can use my phone anywhere in the world without needing unlock codes. I pay them for thier network use. N...
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It's nice that you keep jumping back between your personal preferences and general consumers when describing the differences.

The average consumer who purchases their phone through at&t will need to get an unlock code and most likely will encounter resistance in trying to obtain it.

AvgJoe said:
ATT allows me to choose ANY GSM phone I want and use it on their network in any manner I choose with full rights of transfer. In THAT regard they have not ripped me off.

That sounds nice and all but I think you are forgetting something.

Wikipedia
GSM networks operate in four different frequency ranges. Most GSM networks operate in the 900 MHz or 1800 MHz bands. Some countries in the Ame

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Of COURSE I am speaking of personal preferences.Why should I care what other's choose?

IF they WANT the freedoms and universal use I get they can have it through ATT. They can buy the quad phones unlocked and unbranded.

THEY HAVE THAT CHOICE with ATT unlike Verizon.
Its all about choice. Who gives ME the most?

most gsm phones are quad band. Very few nowadays are just US bands.

wombough said:
most gsm phones are quad band. Very few nowadays are just US bands.

He has no first hand knowledge on anything. He's quoting old posts and applying it universally and is not aware most phones are now quad band.

This is what I mean when I speak of tech savvy people who know what's singly available in wireless those who just follow the heard.

Many are afraid to buy an unlocked phone as if it will not work or something. Or perhaps need the "comfort" of knowing Momma ATT or Verizon is looking out for them because their names are on the phones.

I treat carriers like cable TV, local phone, and Internet services. I buy what works according to my needs rather then what the carriers may o...
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🤣

Tech savvy! Priceless.

AvgJoe said:
This is what I mean when I speak of tech savvy people who know what's singly available in wireless those who just follow the heard.

Many are afraid to buy an unlocked phone as if it will not work or something. Or perhaps need the "comfort" of knowing Momma ATT or Verizon is looking out for them because their names are on the phones.

You once again show your ignorance of the US market. It is not a matter of being afraid, it is a matter of cost. Why would someone pay extra to have an unlocked phone when they can buy the phone from AT&T for a fraction of the cost?

You probably dont know this either, most people that own wireless phones own them so they have a wireless phone.. as in a phon...
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primus said:

You once again show your ignorance of the US market. It is not a matter of being afraid, it is a matter of cost. Why would someone pay extra to have an unlocked phone when they can buy the phone from AT&T for a fraction of the cost?

Really. SO those who paid $600 for the iPhone that could have had an unbranded unlocked n95 have a financial issue? Those who want the best featured phone cannot buy that from ATT.
N82,K850 etc...

You probably dont know this either, most people that own wireless phones own them so they have a wireless phone.. as in a phone, that is wireless, so they can talk to people, on the phone... that is wireless... and sometimes send text.. or in some case

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... I dont know why I am bothering responding to you..
For the iphone, there have been about 1.5mil sold I think was the last I read. AT&T has somewhere around 65 mil customers or so, that would mean around 2.3% of the customers got the iphone... aka, an insignificant number of customers are willing to pay that much.

and for the rest of what you said, you are showing that you go into an even smaller minority.. so what you seem to be getting at is that AT&T is the best carrier for the vast minority of customers... congratz!

primus said:
... I dont know why I am bothering responding to you..
For the iphone, there have been about 1.5mil sold I think was the last I read. AT&T has somewhere around 65 mil customers or so, that would mean around 2.3% of the customers got the iphone... aka, an insignificant number of customers are willing to pay that much.

and for the rest of what you said, you are showing that you go into an even smaller minority.. so what you seem to be getting at is that AT&T is the best carrier for the vast minority of customers... congratz!

ATT is better for ANYONE who wants choice. So far that is a minority but as the younger more tech savvy users now on their parents Verizon plans grow up and realize how ...
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most GSM phones are not quadband, most GSM phones are not made for NA use. Most GSM phones are made for Europe/Asia

primus said:
most GSM phones are not quadband, most GSM phones are not made for NA use. Most GSM phones are made for Europe/Asia

The BEST GSM phones are made for Asia and Europe. But they all work here. Those who want the best technology has to offer knows they have to buy those phones No carrier here has the top N series smart phones like the 95 ans 82. But because they are GSM phones it does not matter. I can still use those phones with no issues here and without contractual obligation.

he was talking about the Iphone which Apple does not allow it to be unlocked. Not other brands!

wombough said:
he was talking about the Iphone which Apple does not allow it to be unlocked. Not other brands!

Why does it matter. The iPhone is a toy that is more consistent in it's purpose on Verizon rather then ATT. I would not pay even $200 for that phone. I would rather spend more and get a fully featured product that isn't crippled by the manufacturer and the Carrier.

AvgJoe said:
I would rather spend more and get a fully featured product that isn't crippled by the manufacturer and the Carrier.

You mean like the phones sold by att despite there being European models with more features available?

Sounds like you are a cafe att fanboy.

captainplooky said:

AvgJoe said:
I would rather spend more and get a fully featured product that isn't crippled by the manufacturer and the Carrier.

You mean like the phones sold by att despite there being European models with more features available?

Sounds like you are a cafe att
fanboy.

NAh I don't buy branded phones. I buy phones base soley on the features I want. I don't care whether a carrier "supports" them in their tech cubicles or not. I buy my phones from outside the carrier sources.

Its actually not that difficult at all. You hear all the "horror stories" but thats a small minority of them. I have had four different devices unlocked by ATT, no problems with getting any of the codes. I simply called in, explained I was traveling overseas (I was already provisioned for international roaming - which I think is a requirement to get the code) and had the code emailed to me within 5 business days every time. Don't stereotype a company simply b/c of a couple bad posts you read - and the quote you put out there was speaking not about unlocking phones for travel, but reseller's unlocking phones (focusing on the iPhone) and selling them to other carrier's customers.

The mindset that customers who want to unlock phones are criminals is troubling regardless of what phone the customer (who owns the device) wants to unlock.

Even today, customers are unable to get unlock codes from att for the Iphone - despite there being numerous hacks available.

These aren't isolated or infrequent situations - device locking is a still a major issue for consumers.

You are whining about unlocked phones yet no one locks more phone features then Verizon!

They hand hold you through the same GUI on every phone. You cannot switch phones and contact lists without carrier interference (and permission or cost)

verizon has much farther to go in the unlock argument, Buy unlocked and you have NO issues with ATT at all. None nada.....Just turn it on and go anywhere you want.

Verizon Wireless phones are not locked...

You can change your phone anytime you want online... for free

Any Get It Now capable phone can transfer contacts from one phone to another.. for free


unlocked phones have nothing to do with AT&T, this is a trait of the GSM tech, not the carrier. AT&T locks the phones they sell, therefore your arguments that AT&T is better because you can buy a phone from another company and use it is a counter argument to a customer picking AT&T. By your logic every customer that is in a T-Mobile coverage area should go with T-Mobile because they have lower rates and better customer service and you can use unlocked GSM phones...


From what I can tell also, your complaint about Verizon Wireless is that ...
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primus said:
Verizon Wireless phones are not locked...

You can change your phone anytime you want online... for free

Any Get It Now capable phone can transfer contacts from one phone to another.. for free


unlocked phones have nothing to do with AT&T, this is a trait of the GSM tech, not the carrier. AT&T locks the phones they sell, therefore your arguments that AT&T is better because you can buy a phone from another company and use it is a counter argument to a customer picking AT&T. By your logic every customer that is in a T-Mobile coverage area should go with T-Mobile because they have lower rates and better customer service and you can use unlocked GSM phones...


From what I can tell also, your complain

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Again, I think you either missed the point of my statement, or chose to simply ignore it.

The statement about people unlocking phones as criminals was not directed at ATT consumers in general, but towards indirect dealers/resellers who unlock devices en masse and resell them.

Unlocking the iPhone is a totally different thing. Part of Apples agreement with ATT was that the phone be locked to their network - it was as much Apples decision as it was ATT's.

You state that device locking is a major issue for consumers, yet Verizon posts the best postpaid consumer net adds quarter after quarter, while being the company that exerts the most control over their devices. That doesn't add up, if consumer's are so worried about device lockin...
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Read up on oligopoly markets, then ask again if you don't already have your answers.

Verizon Wireless does not lock their devices... You can use any VZW phone on any carrier whom will allow you to do so. The SPL for all Verizon Wireless phones is the factory default of 000000.

and also does not install Software on them, the manufacturer installs the software... VZW just makes them do it 😈


As for why most customers chose VZW, it is because most people buy a phone to have a phone, not a toy. The people that do buy the phone as a toy also often pick VZW because of network reliability and in network calling as there are more customers using VZW phones than any other carrier.

primus said:

As for why most customers chose VZW, it is because most people buy a phone to have a phone, not a toy. The people that do buy the phone as a toy also often pick VZW because of network reliability and in network calling as there are more customers using VZW phones than any other carrier.

My point exactly. Network and phone models play the largest part of people's choices in choosing a carrier. Locked vs unlocked devices does not. Fairly simple - a majority of American cell phone consumers don't care that their phone is locked to a certain carrier as long as they have good service and phones they like. Thats the basic truth, and if you think that's wrong (plooky) you obviously know nothing abo...
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dromant said:

primus said:

As for why most customers chose VZW, it is because most people buy a phone to have a phone, not a toy. The people that do buy the phone as a toy also often pick VZW because of network reliability and in network calling as there are more customers using VZW phones than any other carrier.

My point exactly. Network and phone models play the largest part of people's choices in choosing a carrier. Locked vs unlocked devices does not. Fairly simple - a majority of American cell phone consumers don't care that their phone is locked to a certain carrier as long as they have good service and phones they like. Thats the basic truth, and if you think that's wrong (ploo

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Well ive gotten 2 unlock codes for razrs within the last month and sold them to tmobile customers =P.... All you have to know is how to talk to customer care reps. If ur an asshole they dont help.

(I seriously think there is an art to talking to call center reps. You dont just talk about what you need, you ask questions about thier life, get a little personable, and laugh with them. Then them clicking that ok button isnt so hard because you made them laugh.)

thebiggestguy said:
Well ive gotten 2 unlock codes for razrs within the last month and sold them to tmobile customers =P.... All you have to know is how to talk to customer care reps. If ur an asshole they dont help.

(I seriously think there is an art to talking to call center reps. You dont just talk about what you need, you ask questions about thier life, get a little personable, and laugh with them. Then them clicking that ok button isnt so hard because you made them laugh.)

Don't bother explaining. Those who have no FIRST HAND experience have nothing but the words of others to make their point with.

I have never had Verizon service.I know those who do. They like it. It's just a phone to many of ...
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AvgJoe said:
Don't bother explaining. Those who have no FIRST HAND experience have nothing but the words of others to make their point with.

I have never had Verizon service.I know those who do.

...

🤣

captainplooky said:

AvgJoe said:
Don't bother explaining. Those who have no FIRST HAND experience have nothing but the words of others to make their point with.

I have never had Verizon service.I know those who do.

...

🤣

You did not complete my quote in your zeal to "color" my statement, How Verizon like.

You take ONE OLD post and apply it across the whole ATT universe about unlocking phones to make a point. I use personal, close and CURRENT example to explain why my family stays with Verizon. It's EASY for them. They don't need to know or learn anything new when they get a new phone.

I like how you keep claiming that VZW is easy, yet you know so little about the service that you think you have to buy every ringtone from them. Guess that VZW takes too much tech knowhow for someone like you, you should probably stay with AT&T where things are much easier for you 🤣

Guess if you had any first hand experience you would know what you are talking about 🤣

primus said:
I like how you keep claiming that VZW is easy, yet you know so little about the service that you think you have to buy every ringtone from them. Guess that VZW takes too much tech knowhow for someone like you, you should probably stay with AT&T where things are much easier for you 🤣

Guess if you had any first hand experience you would know what you are talking about 🤣

I don't need first hand experience. I can read.
I like simplicity/ I like moving files with my mouse ANY file, any phone, any time. I like that I can use EVERYTHING Blue Tooth offers not just that which ATT "allows". I like the fact that I have 2000 minutes to use in any given month for $39 if I need to without wo...
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Thank you for proving my point that everything you have written should be ignored because you have now just invalidated everything you have been saying.
You have been claiming that other posters should not be listened to because they have no first hand experience, yet just said that you dont need first hand experience.
You have claimed VZW is good for people that want things easy and now say that you are with AT&T because they make things easy.

So once again, thank you for proving that you are wrong so everyone can understand that your comments mean nothing.

primus said:
Thank you for proving my point that everything you have written should be ignored because you have now just invalidated everything you have been saying.
You have been claiming that other posters should not be listened to because they have no first hand experience, yet just said that you dont need first hand experience.
You have claimed VZW is good for people that want things easy and now say that you are with AT&T because they make things easy.

So once again, thank you for proving that you are wrong so everyone can understand that your comments mean nothing.

Don't fret I believe those who understand the differences between GSM and CDMA "get it"

They understand what is good "easy" and ...
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AvgJoe said:

Its-The-Network said:
Sure every att customer is a hardcore phone guru, pls. verizon's open access will give those tiny tiny percentage of hard core phone geeks the option to choose different phones.

No ATT customers are not technical gurus. But those who are will choose them because those people are and want the unencumbered choices GSM offers, such as using a few phones. I'll take the Sony Z520 to the beach and leave the Nokia at home. Just swap the card.

Exactly. When I haad Verizon, and had more than one handset, they always charged a fee to switch from one to another. Thankfully, AT&T doesn't do that.

chocolateman85006 said:

AvgJoe said:

Its-The-Network said:
Sure every att customer is a hardcore phone guru, pls. verizon's open access will give those tiny tiny percentage of hard core phone geeks the option to choose different phones.

No ATT customers are not technical gurus. But those who are will choose them because those people are and want the unencumbered choices GSM offers, such as using a few phones. I'll take the Sony Z520 to the beach and leave the Nokia at home. Just swap the card.

Exactly. When I haad Verizon, and had more than one handset, they always charged a fee to switch from one to another. Thankfully, AT&T doesn't do that.

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captainplooky said:

AvgJoe said:
The phones and capability of them are far better on the GSM networks.

Even the data capability? Isn't Edge unbearably slow?

AvgJoe said:
GSM technology provides for personal choices not available to Verizon customers by those who value personal choice over following the crowd. It's no wonder Apple went to Verizon first LOL.

🤣

I'm not a fun of Verizon's UI, but come on! At&t if anything follows Verizon's lead in plans and pricing - so who is it that is indeed "following the crowd"?

I have no issue with EDGE, But I also have Wifi which is far better and does not cost a thing. Wireless In...
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So then you would be incorrect when you said:

AvgJoe said:
The phones and capability of them are far better on the GSM networks.

when you considering non GSM phones with wifi access.

As for "Rollover". If it is truly keeping what you pay for - they would not have enacted the new policies that essentially take back minutes people already paid for.

It's a marketing gimmick - it sounds nice and useful to some in infrequent situations.

Personally, I prefer paying for what I use - and not paying for extras minutes every month that I hope to use sometime in the future.

captainplooky said:
So then you would be incorrect when you said:

AvgJoe said:
The phones and capability of them are far better on the GSM networks.

when you considering non GSM phones with wifi access.

As for "Rollover". If it is truly keeping what you pay for - they would not have enacted the new policies that essentially take back minutes people already paid for.

It's a marketing gimmick - it sounds nice and useful to some in infrequent situations.

Personally, I prefer paying for what I use - and not paying for extras minutes every month that I hope to use sometime in the future.

Nice try. But you pay for for what you DON'T use as well. I have a...
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you know thats verizons only counter to our rollover plan.


I use to work for Verizon before att and they are a great company there is no doubting that.

Fact is, ATT : You dont use your minutes every month and you suddenly have a family illness and have to call much more, or you go on vacation and have to use the phone more. Your Covered!!! ROLLOVER...

Verizon : You dont use all your minutes because your on the correct plan, then something happens, you use your phone more and BAM overages. Do they credit you?!?!?! no because its your fault.

Your right, you do lose them after 12 months on a month by month basis, but it def allows you to build up quite a bank in case of an emergency.

Get your head out of VZW arse and see the t...
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thebiggestguy said:
you know thats verizons only counter to our rollover plan.


I use to work for Verizon before att and they are a great company there is no doubting that.

Fact is, ATT : You dont use your minutes every month and you suddenly have a family illness and have to call much more, or you go on vacation and have to use the phone more. Your Covered!!! ROLLOVER...

Verizon : You dont use all your minutes because your on the correct plan, then something happens, you use your phone more and BAM overages. Do they credit you?!?!?! no because its your fault.

Your right, you do lose them after 12 months on a month by month basis, but it def allows you to build up quite a bank in case of an emergency.

Get

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I'm a consumer dude, perhaps you and AvgJoe need to tone down your vitriolic ad hominem verizon based attacks.

Like I said, it's a gimmick that works for some, but doesn't interest me because it's ultimately more money for less in my case. That's not to say it doesn't advantages for some - as I mentioned earlier.

Like I said, it's a gimmick that works for some, but doesn't interest me because it's ultimately more money for less in my case.


Please tell me how its more money when the rateplans are the same 🙄

Easy, my service plan is custom and even after taxes comes out to be less than advertised plans.

"custom"???? Ok great its confirmed. For all of the rest of you customers att's rollover would benefit you. Those who arent on a privliged "custom" plan with Verizon should understand your paying the same price as att and arent keeping your minutes. If your a senior and use 10 min a month it prob wouldnt effect you, but for the rest of the world it truely is "the fairest deal in wireless" 🤣 🤣 😉

Dude, first of all I've never said anything about Verizon. It's actually quite comical you think I'm either a rep or customer of theirs and continue to harp on it despite me having already pointed out this information.

You are confusing two different posts of mine, in which I make two very different statements about rollover minutes.

I never said it wasn't useful to some, but said those were infrequent situations (like the ones you pointed out yourself). As for my particular case, it would not be beneficial at all.

Why is that so difficult to comprehend?

Please dont call me "dude"...

If I misreaad your two posts, I appologize. It was a long night last night.. here is what you did post.

It's a marketing gimmick - it sounds nice and useful to some in infrequent situations.

Personally, I prefer paying for what I use - and not paying for extras minutes every month that I hope to use sometime in the future.

This is a direct flame towards the process calling it a gimmick. There is no gimmick its the fairest deal in wireless.

Then you say you prefer paying for what you use and not paying for extra minutes. Nowhere does it say your on a Custom Plan and it makes it sound like your on a regular plan which is why I rebutted.

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The plan I'm on is custom in the sense that is has a couple of "perks" added on with a discount.

My plan has nothing that an ordinary customer, like I am, could not get at any wireless carrier.

Rollover is an advertising and marketing gimmick. You can't convince me otherwise.

If the current version of Rollover is the "fairest deal in wireless" as you claim, what was it before they revised the policies governing it? Was it unfair then? Is it more fair now? Probably not as it has always been a marketing and advertising gimmick to attract and keep customers.

As for it being the fairest deal in wireless - that is completely subjective. Earlier night and weekends, like Sprint offers, seems like a better deal than rollover. That'...
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captainplooky said:
The plan I'm on is custom in the sense that is has a couple of "perks" added on with a discount.

My plan has nothing that an ordinary customer, like I am, could not get at any wireless carrier.

Rollover is an advertising and marketing gimmick. You can't convince me otherwise.

If the current version of Rollover is the "fairest deal in wireless" as you claim, what was it before they revised the policies governing it? Was it unfair then? Is it more fair now? Probably not as it has always been a marketing and advertising gimmick to attract and keep customers.

As for it being the fairest deal in wireless - that is completely subjective. Earlier night and weekends, like Sprint offers, seems

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🤣

Apparently, "the fairest deal in wireless" has the caveat of not including other wireless carriers.

You should asterisk that.

Heh, so it should says "the fairest deal in AT&T wireless?" ;P

AvgJoe said:
WRONG AGAIN. Sprrint does not give the same choices as A GSM carrier therefore they cannot offer the the fairest deal in wireless.

ZOMG! Your right! How dare Sprint not offer the exact same choices as another carrier?! How dare they come up with their own pricing instead of doing a cut and paste of VZW?! Those bastards!

primus said:

AvgJoe said:
WRONG AGAIN. Sprrint does not give the same choices as A GSM carrier therefore they cannot offer the the fairest deal in wireless.

ZOMG! Your right! How dare Sprint not offer the exact same choices as another carrier?! How dare they come up with their own pricing instead of doing a cut and paste of VZW?! Those bastards!

I agree. Theres yet ANOTHER choice I have. T MObile or ATT where I can take my phone. I can have both carriers if I want! Its all about having choices.

thebiggestguy said:
The regular plans are SAME in price so its like why pay the same amount and not keep your minutes? I guess im a little salty at Verizon reps talking so much trash about att and if I came off wrong then so be it.

I like how you two idiots think plooky is a VZW customer, you really need to look into his posting history. He has probably attacked VZW more than AT&T...



and btw, rollover is a gimmick. If it wasnt, why dont customer have the option to not have it and pay less for their plan? AT&T had to throw something else in to be able to charge as much as VZW for plans.

Same ole VErizon speak...Roll Over has worked out for me. I have used from 100 to 1000 minutes in a given month and never paid over $39!

All wireless carriers should have such a gimmick.

Again CHOICES. ATT gives me the choice to use none of my minutes this month and two times my minutes the next.

When it comes to phones, my parents are definately stupid, and they have Verizon. Same UI on all their phones and they are happy. I myself changed from Verion to ATT in 2006 and have been very pleased.


but yeah, sometimes mom and dad are stupid, especially when it comes to cell phones.

So your parents are stupid because they have a carrier they are happy with?

wow, first of all that is a big leap from what I said.

As long as my dad received calls from his office, he doesn't care what service it is, he is on his notebook for the majority of the day.

My mom just learned how to do text messages in 07.

So yes when it comes to CELL PHONES they are stupid.

schlittertex said:
wow, first of all that is a big leap from what I said.

As long as my dad received calls from his office, he doesn't care what service it is, he is on his notebook for the majority of the day.

My mom just learned how to do text messages in 07.

So yes when it comes to CELL PHONES they are stupid.

No they are not stupid becaasue they CAN learn. They are ignorant because they don't know how to....becasue they don't care to know how to does not make them stupid. Its just a matter of choice.

Everyone here is ignorant on the mathematical functions to prove Zero.

No I would say stupid as well, and hard headed.

Well not everyone here is ignorant on proving 0. I have had my share of Calculus classes whether it was for Physics or Business, or just general Calculus, and every class went over graphing functions to prove 0.

plmassey said:
Do you think mom and pop are stupid?????????????

NO they are ignorant. Stupid is the incapability to learn. Ignorant is innocent and is reserved for those who don't care to learn. They want easy and quick. No having to learn new GUI or deal with PCs and BT.......many just are not aware (ignorant) of what phones can do.

Everyone is ignorant regarding certain technologies and procedures in a lot of fields,

Ignorant is not an insult by definition.

I totally agree, my step dads step dad is over 80 but makes sure he learns how to work everything he owns. He can teach a seasoned pro about capabilities of their electronics they didn't know existed. It is all because he takes the time to LEARN!

Ignorant means not knowing, it does not mean innocent or not wanting to learn. It would mean someone that has not learned. Those who do not care to learn would better be described as apathetic.

Someday, when you grow up and have a life, you will discover there are much more important things in life than having a cellphone that can beam pictures and ringtones to another phone... and you will learn to appreciate having easy to use electronics and phones that you dont need to relearn how to use each time you get a new one.

primus said:
Ignorant means not knowing, it does not mean innocent or not wanting to learn. It would mean someone that has not learned. Those who do not care to learn would better be described as apathetic.

Someday, when you grow up and have a life, you will discover there are much more important things in life than having a cellphone that can beam pictures and ringtones to another phone... and you will learn to appreciate having easy to use electronics and phones that you dont need to relearn how to use each time you get a new one.

Thanks for the education Dad. LOL

Someday when you grow up and let go of Mommy Verizon's hand, you will be able to afford to buy a phone that forces you to read a book an...
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..I really have to wonder what kind of sad pathetic life you lead that you think people carry pouches on their belt... hehe


I am glad you have so much time that you think learning how to use a phone is fun, while most of the population can spend their time learning useful information, spend time with their families, do their job or relax.

And I am glad you agree that you need a real life so you dont have to spend so much time with your phone ;)

primus said:
..I really have to wonder what kind of sad pathetic life you lead that you think people carry pouches on their belt... hehe


I am glad you have so much time that you think learning how to use a phone is fun, while most of the population can spend their time learning useful information, spend time with their families, do their job or relax.

And I am glad you agree that you need a real life so you dont have to spend so much time with your phone ;)

Weak argument man. Sounds like you are throwing in the towel by diminishing my life becasue I choose choice and flexibility and complete and total use of a tool that ENHANCES my life without becoming my life.

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What he said pretty much sounds to me like he is acusing "mom and pop" of not being able to think... so yeah, sounds like he said they are stupid.

hmm.. so lets see about that Wom.. posters that made comments that would be termed as a "fan boy" seems to be just one.. Its-The-Network, but as a useless troll that is hiw job afterall. So your use of the plural, boys, was way off.

And at the same time we had two "fan boys" for AT&T not answering his question...AvgJoe and thebiggestguy.

So great job once again at posting something that is completely wrong! Way to keep up the good work!

primus said:
hmm.. so lets see about that Wom.. posters that made comments that would be termed as a "fan boy" seems to be just one.. Its-The-Network, but as a useless troll that is hiw job afterall. So your use of the plural, boys, was way off.

And at the same time we had two "fan boys" for AT&T not answering his question...AvgJoe and thebiggestguy.

So great job once again at posting something that is completely wrong! Way to keep up the good work!

Wrong Again! I am not an ATT fanboy I am forst a GSM fanboy. It just so happens ATT has he services I need when I need them at the moment. I have not signed a contract with them in years.No reason to.

there is more then one fanboy! To name one more cellnater. I could list a few but I am very busy and could really care less!

now these are the answers I was looking for. Thank you. I'm not overly concerned with call quality. I really don't talk more than 5 or 600 minutes a month. As long as I can hear them and they can hear me its good enough. I just want to make sure the signal strength is ok and the quality is acceptable. I was also just wondering how people like the curve on ATT

jtc411 said: I was also just wondering how people like the curve on ATT

I get the feeling you have not gotten the phone yet. If it's still coming in the mail.... Um, well, let me tell you then. YOU'LL LOVE IT!

Yeah I ordered a refurbished one last night. They had it for 49.99 and I found a coupon code and I ended up getting it for completely free, plus free 2 day shipping. So I'm stoked

I have a Curve with Att, and love it! I have only had it for about three weeks but its been great! I don't live or travel anywhere near you, so can't tell you how reception will be though. If you do get it and like it I suggest looking for third party downloads, there are some great stuff.

Luckily I don't travel overseas so I shouldn't have to worry about that. So far even though its only been a day and maybe 15 calls, I have not noticed any difference between the quality of verizon and ATT. Infact, I would say they are right on par with eachother. The curve however. is showing me what I was missing on Verizon. This blackberry is badass. Love it

get off the couch and drive around you will notice a difference really quick!!

I didn't state they were all in one place. I've had conversations all the way from my work place to my home. I haven't noticed anything yet. I sure there are going to be areas that arent as good that I'll exerpience