64 K sim, whats the diff
I know my other posts are ..... stupid.
But in all seriousness , I have never seen 64 K sim , can anyone tell me if there is a physical difference in size, connection configuration or shape, to a 32K sim?
I am just curious if they simply compressed the tech or had to create a whole new interface design. Thanks
But in all seriousness , I have never seen 64 K sim , can anyone tell me if there is a physical difference in size, connection configuration or shape, to a 32K sim?
I am just curious if they simply compressed the tech or had to create a whole new interface design. Thanks
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Nothing is really different....it has a larger memory for phone numbers and such, along with (so I'm told) better connectivity to the network.
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I guess the other thing then would be software, anyone know if the programing for the phones designed to work with the 64K is all that much different that the 32K, and if so how? I am not expecting lines of code here just a basic understanding would be helpful.
I am trying to determine if an unlocked euro phone would have that much difficulty functioning with a 64K, or if it would at all. Most of the consensus says it would just not to its optimum capacity
I am trying to determine if an unlocked euro phone would have that much difficulty functioning with a 64K, or if it would at all. Most of the consensus says it would just not to its optimum capacity
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not much different, not GAIT compatible, increased phonebook capacity, different colors. that's all
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the 64k sim card offers 250 extra numbers stored/40 fixed dialed numbers/30 short messages...other then that nothing else is supposed to be different. actually, in some older phones, they will cause problems.
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Actually the only main difference currently in the 64k and 32k is the ENS capability in which the phone SIM will utilize its larger capacity in updating its network selection more quickly and more often. On the older 32k sims when you were in a poor coverage area and your phone would go to "NO SERVICE" it would take longer for the phone to find a new network as opposed to the 64k sims that are contstantly seeking out the best signal/network. The 64k Sims full potential has not yet been utilized on Cingular yet but with new applications in the pipeline this soon will change.
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Thanks all. I at least have a better understanding of the 64K sim now. I still would like to get a hold of one of the little suckers to give it the "hands on" run through. Oh well I'll just keep looking for a schematic for now.
Thanks again
Thanks again
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The reason for the 64k sim is because not only does it need to store the roaming agrreemnts for Cingular but for ATand T as well. If it was just for phone book capacity intuitively it would have doubled right? The extra space will allow you to use local carrier towers and it integrates the two netwroks after the buyout. THAT is the reason despite what everyone else spewed...
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nextgwireless said:Only thing you are not mentioning is that AT&T Wireless and Cingular had the same roaming partners for the last 12 months so the 64k SIM really does not really benefit the IRDB. It does however benefit the phones network selection when balancing traffic on the previous AT&T Wireless and Cingular networks.
The reason for the 64k sim is because not only does it need to store the roaming agrreemnts for Cingular but for ATand T as well. If it was just for phone book capacity intuitively it would have doubled right? The extra space will allow you to use local carrier towers and it integrates the two netwroks after the buyout. THAT is the reason despite what everyone else spewed...
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We've always had 250 spaces on the 32k SIM, did other markets have something different? the only difference we see here in NC is 30 SMS spaces instead of 18.
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Actually Cingy just came out and said that the 64k Sim card will not improve connectivity to to the network at all.
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this has been my take on the actual use of the 64k sim card as per train the trainer. this is how the trainers were trained to train the material of the new 64k SIM. All of the merger basic training for the CSE's in the call centers. If anyone has different information and spec sheets i would love to see them and really find out if this is the real use.
the 64k sim aside from a little more space to put phone book entries, only uses the extra space to not confuse customers. there is a new appication that is loaded onto the 64k sims. it comes with a single alpha tag. where it says "CINGULAR" on the screen, thats an alpha tag. the alpha tag lets you know what network you are currently using. this has never worked accurately.
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the 64k sim aside from a little more space to put phone book entries, only uses the extra space to not confuse customers. there is a new appication that is loaded onto the 64k sims. it comes with a single alpha tag. where it says "CINGULAR" on the screen, thats an alpha tag. the alpha tag lets you know what network you are currently using. this has never worked accurately.
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Will the sim card reset the AT&T or Cingular network each time you turn off the phone? For example if you power it on the first time the alpha tag comes up and it says "CINGULAR" etc.....And it randomnly selects the Cingular network....But, If you turn it off and then power it back on the second time and the alpha tag comes back up...Does it still go back to the Cingualr network?????....Or when you just buy the sim card does the sales rep. select which network it uses? And does it only use one network? Basically what I'm trying to ask...Say that there is a network to your left and it is Cingular and it is giving off 3 bars of signal and then at your right it is an AT&T network and it is giving off 7 bars of signal...will the sim AUTOMATICALL...
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all in all...it really doesnt matter much, right now, whether you have a 32/64 sim card. thats what they tell us
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Alright folks...I believe we've had this conversation somewhere around two thousand times now.
A 32k card and a 64k card both hold 250 numbers. A 64 k card DOES hold more sms, i believe.
The easiest way to tell if you have a 64k card or a 32k card is too look at it...it says it..clearly. They are both the same exact size/shape. The 64k card is prettier 😲
Now, the big difference is ENS. Enhanced Network Selection. All phones that came out on Day One or later are ENS capable. That would be the v551, v3, SE z500, among others. Pre-Day one phones are NOT ENS. Flat out - If your phone was being sold before November 15th - it is NOT ENS. If it debuted on or after November 15th - it IS ENS.
What does all this mean?
With a NON-...
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A 32k card and a 64k card both hold 250 numbers. A 64 k card DOES hold more sms, i believe.
The easiest way to tell if you have a 64k card or a 32k card is too look at it...it says it..clearly. They are both the same exact size/shape. The 64k card is prettier 😲
Now, the big difference is ENS. Enhanced Network Selection. All phones that came out on Day One or later are ENS capable. That would be the v551, v3, SE z500, among others. Pre-Day one phones are NOT ENS. Flat out - If your phone was being sold before November 15th - it is NOT ENS. If it debuted on or after November 15th - it IS ENS.
What does all this mean?
With a NON-...
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OK. I just bought a Nokia 6230, which I was told was an ENS phone. It also has a 64K SIM card.
Now here's my experience/question. So far it seems to lock onto Cingular towers even when there is a stronger AT&T signal in he area. There is a hallway at work that only gets 1 bar with cingular phones but full bars with AT&T GSM phones. When using my 6230 in the hallway it stays at 1 bar.
Am I mistaken in that the 6230 is a ENS phone? Are there multiple firmware revs? Does anyone know how to manually select the network so I can switch to the stronger signal myself?
-Thanks-
Now here's my experience/question. So far it seems to lock onto Cingular towers even when there is a stronger AT&T signal in he area. There is a hallway at work that only gets 1 bar with cingular phones but full bars with AT&T GSM phones. When using my 6230 in the hallway it stays at 1 bar.
Am I mistaken in that the 6230 is a ENS phone? Are there multiple firmware revs? Does anyone know how to manually select the network so I can switch to the stronger signal myself?
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these are the experiences which make me think that the way ENS is explained to everyone is incorrect or "hypothetical" at least.
the 64k sim should always say "cingular" on the alpha tag, but may be using a AT&T network depending on if the AT&t network is stronger or not in your area.
what it appears to be is that you are on cingular network regardless of the fact that the AT&T network is stronger.
Which in turn makes me beleive that my explaination is more of a real life example of what happens with ENS.
again just speculation and although it has been brought up numerous times there is still something that isnt being explained, or correctly stated.
the 64k sim should always say "cingular" on the alpha tag, but may be using a AT&T network depending on if the AT&t network is stronger or not in your area.
what it appears to be is that you are on cingular network regardless of the fact that the AT&T network is stronger.
Which in turn makes me beleive that my explaination is more of a real life example of what happens with ENS.
again just speculation and although it has been brought up numerous times there is still something that isnt being explained, or correctly stated.
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paulbear78 said:
these are the experiences which make me think that the way ENS is explained to everyone is incorrect or "hypothetical" at least.
the 64k sim should always say "cingular" on the alpha tag, but may be using a AT&T network depending on if the AT&t network is stronger or not in your area.
what it appears to be is that you are on cingular network regardless of the fact that the AT&T network is stronger.
Which in turn makes me beleive that my explaination is more of a real life example of what happens with ENS.
again just speculation and although it has been brought up numerous times there is still something that isnt being explained, or correctly stated.
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awsome thanks.
if anyone has anything else as far as real life instances this would be appreciated
if anyone has anything else as far as real life instances this would be appreciated
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The 6230 is NOT ENS capable. Also, as far as alpha tags, your phone should always say Cingular or Cingular Extend. It can say Cingular even when using a tmobile tower, theres really no way to tell if you are on a cingular, att, or tmobile tower.
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The 6230 is NOT ENS capable.
That's just great! 😡
There is too much misinformation being given out. I wish people that didnt know would just shut their trap instread of giving out bad info. I had read somewhere on this forum that the 6230 was ENS capable. This was the main reason I signed up for Cingular.. to have that feature because of the way the dead (or almost dead) spots are out here.
Where the #$%@ can I find a definative list of ENS phones? Asking the sales reps at the store is like banging my head on the wall. They don't know about ENS, 64K SIM cards, or barely anything else!
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joef3 said:
The 6230 is NOT ENS capable. Also, as far as alpha tags, your phone should always say Cingular or Cingular Extend. It can say Cingular even when using a tmobile tower, theres really no way to tell if you are on a cingular, att, or tmobile tower.
The 6230 is ENS capable and there is no more Cingular extend. The phones have been or are being updated to say only Cingular. You should review the post with ENS capable handests as of 12/22/2004.
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joef3 said:
The 6230 is NOT ENS capable. Also, as far as alpha tags, your phone should always say Cingular or Cingular Extend. It can say Cingular even when using a tmobile tower, theres really no way to tell if you are on a cingular, att, or tmobile tower.
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The 6230 is ENS capable and there is no more Cingular extend. The phones have been or are being updated to say only Cingular. You should review the post with ENS capable handests as of 12/22/2004.
So who is right? AtTheMet and phoneshark say it is ENS capable, joef3 says its not....
And if it is ENS capable, how can I be sure my phone is working as designed? I dont see an option to see or ...
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wow, complete mind-fart. i was mistaken....6230 is definitely ENS capable. My fault. I apologize.
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So you are telling me that even though a phone was available before Day One and not ENS capable, suddenly after day one it is ENS capable?
Or is this due to the fact that it was ENS capable before Day One but did not have the 64k sim to activate it?
Please clearify.
Or is this due to the fact that it was ENS capable before Day One but did not have the 64k sim to activate it?
Please clearify.
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ti is more to run both network simtanios on the sim it picks the best attws or cingular depending on the signal strenth also ens
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That would be in direct conflict with what ENS is. Enhanced Network Selection allows the phone to select the best option for the network. It does not allow the phone to use both simultaneously.
As far as whether or not it was enabled beforehand? From what I understand it’s simply different programming in the SIM that allows it to search both. The phones have probably been programmed to allow the 64K SIM for a while now but only recently have the cards been available. Kind of like how software can build support for future hardware not yet released. I’m just guessing though.
As far as whether or not it was enabled beforehand? From what I understand it’s simply different programming in the SIM that allows it to search both. The phones have probably been programmed to allow the 64K SIM for a while now but only recently have the cards been available. Kind of like how software can build support for future hardware not yet released. I’m just guessing though.
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Say you get 1 bar on a cingular tower but 4 bars on an extended network (tmob) tower. What then with a 64k sim?
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I got my hands on a 64K sim today and put it in my ENS-enabled phone...wow! Reception has gotten much much better...but it was great before...but now I can use the phone in my apartment at FULL signal strength (there's an ATTWS tower line of sight from my window)...
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