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Merger or IPO

cellhound

Dec 29, 2003, 2:57 PM
insiders says Cingular may go IPO route to help w/ buyout or Merger.some say it now couls be Cell ONE or US Celular because they offer alot of Suburan coverage and enough Urban to help w/ current service.i guess we'll see.
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DrunkPhoneMonkey

Dec 30, 2003, 3:08 AM
Confused Confused Confused hmm...... i MIGHT visit this site frequently....i might work in the wireless world........but that might not mean all too much, but isnt there allready a company by the name of US cellular??? but regardless.... as noted in the "merger?" thread AWS did do an IPO many years ago. but with the money recieved thru it, they were happy to get the 5bil that they got, but in all reality it prolly would be of some good for cingular to either stay with mom and pop, or risk with aws, t-mo might not be as sound of a venture as could be. Granted AWS has thier fair shar of issues......Nightfire for example, or lord even thier GSM cust care software (shudder at just the thought) i would hate to work gsm care for aws... tdma, yeah sure its all ri...
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DrunkPhoneMonkey

Dec 30, 2003, 3:10 AM
just remembered one other thing, a very provacative Customers First Promise guarunteeing you a free phone after 1 yrs service on a 2 yr extn.
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Skins56

Dec 30, 2003, 1:01 PM
Is it any free phone or is there a limit?
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DrunkPhoneMonkey

Dec 30, 2003, 2:38 PM
it is a guarunteed free phone, just unfortunately because they get new phones in stock and remove phone from the stock all the time, it is impossible to put a guaruntee on the make and model. but im sure as time passes the CCRs would be a little bit more knowledgable
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Skins56

Dec 30, 2003, 3:19 PM
So you are saying it is any phone that is being sold for free. This does not seem like a good business decision.
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Skins56

Dec 30, 2003, 3:29 PM
Here is the real story on the free phone.

"Requires $36 activation fee for new activation, compatible device, credit approval, $175 early termination fee, $1.75 monthly Regulatory Programs Fee per line, activation on a qualified plan with a two-year agreement and program registration at attwireless.com/freephones or call 1 800 894-8963. Service may be terminated if a majority of minutes in any three-month period are used off the AT&T Wireless network. Benefits listed may be mutually exclusive and not available with all plans and devices. You will be bound by the Service Agreement and rate plan materials. Free Phone Every Year: One free or discounted phone after mail-in rebate per account available twelve months after qualified activation ...
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ATandT

Dec 30, 2003, 11:48 PM
Sorry to tell you this but that info isn't entirely accurate. To qualify for the customer first promise all you need is a 2yr contract with a rate plan of 39.99 or higher. All terms and conditions of ATT service apply and you will guaranteed new activation pricing EVERY yr in exchange for a new 2yr contract. This means you can choose ANY phone you want and you will be eligible for acquisition pricing. Mail in rebate is not required and the discounts for acquisition pricing is almost always above $100 unless the phone is only worth about $100.
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Skins56

Dec 31, 2003, 8:35 AM
I do not know how this can't be accurate because I got this straight from the ATT website.
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moobak

Dec 31, 2003, 6:38 PM
Thats just the terms and conditions Skins. And your stupid New Every Two customers have to wait TWO years, not one. Mail in rebates whatever, they're safer for the business in the long run duh. Theres other discounts we might give including instant rebates and mere credit towards prices depending on situation, etc.. depending on time and date but you're GAURANTEED a free phone, if sometimes with a MIR, so be it.
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moobak

Dec 31, 2003, 6:39 PM
And BTW Verizon will force RP changes if usage is always off their network, just doesnt happen often because its so large. Smile
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Skins56

Jan 1, 2004, 8:33 AM
We do not force anybody to change anything. If someone buys a new phone we require them to change to a newer plan, this is to make sure customers are on the plans that best suit both us and them, and if the are on a Family plan they do not have to change anything. Also if that was the case why do we still offer a complete national plan. You can roam anywhere in the US regardless of who's network you use.
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95mike

Jan 1, 2004, 12:23 PM
It's probably in the fine print like Sprint's "No roaming charge plan." If you pay $35 a month for 150 minutes and use them all off network, Verizon will not like it because they have to pay someone else for their customer using another company's tower. In some cases it could cost Verizon money and they will kick you off the plan if that is the case. Probably a 50% on-network requirement or something.
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Skins56

Jan 1, 2004, 1:47 PM
No I assure you they can roam all off network and we will not do anything. I gaurantee go by a store and check the National plan brochure. Take a look at a contract it says nothing about making you change if you roam complete off network.
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DrunkPhoneMonkey

Jan 3, 2004, 12:44 AM
hey this is a 2 parter to prove your wrong in regards to AWS t&c's (Honestly i'm suprized MOObak didnt get this in before i did Razz) BUT in paragraph 1 sub B of the t&c's it cstates the following

Your Service rates and other charges and conditions for each Number or Device are described in your Sales Information. If you lose your eligibility for a particular Rate Plan, we may change your Rate Plan upon prior notice to you. If you misrepresent your eligibility for any Rate Plan, you agree to pay us the additional amount you would have been charged under the most favorable Rate Plan for which you are eligible. If you activate Service on behalf of an entity but were unauthorized to do so, you will be personally responsible for all charges to...
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Skins56

Jan 3, 2004, 9:06 AM
I know first hand as I work for the company.(VZW) I have read the contract backwards and foward and we will not do anything if the usage if off the network. I know many customers who work for large companies and travel throughout the US. The things is that since we have such a large network it rarely happens that they are off our network. So let your company run things that way and VZW will continue to dominate the market.
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moobak

Jan 3, 2004, 9:31 PM
Whats the website for your T&C's Skins? I'll show it to you.. ALL providers have it Smile
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ATandT

Jan 3, 2004, 11:14 PM
I never read enough of Verizon's T&C's to get to the off network stuff but some of this Crap is hilarious!!!

WE CAN, WITHOUT NOTICE, LIMIT, SUSPEND, OR END YOUR SERVICE OR ANY AGREEMENT WITH YOU FOR THIS OR ANY OTHER GOOD CAUSE including, but not limited to:....verbally or physically abusing our employees or agents; (d) lying to us.
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DrunkPhoneMonkey

Jan 5, 2004, 12:56 AM
hey you forgot spamming and mail bombing. i didnt know that providers were able to access your email accnt to see if you are spamming Shocked
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Skins56

Jan 6, 2004, 9:19 AM
And we have used this part of the contract. When you have a customer calling in every 5 minutes and only speaking to females and asking very personal question what are you supposed to do, and if got a male on the phone he would just hang up and call back until he got a female. Most of the time we suspend and call the customer and send them letters asking they cease their actions. We give them plenty of opportunity to keep their service.
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Skins56

Jan 6, 2004, 9:21 AM
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cellhound

Jan 7, 2004, 2:34 PM
this thread is about Cingulars mergers or are they going to launch an IPO before they "merge " with another carriewr.not about that ****ty Verizon company. Evil or Very Mad
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Skins56

Jan 7, 2004, 3:32 PM
Obivously it is not still about Cingular's mergers or IPO. They asked for proof and I provided it. If you don't like so WHAT.
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cellhound

Jan 7, 2004, 4:25 PM
wow a little defensive are we must be from working for a compnay that knows every other carrier is gaining fast on .and it there is a merger between companies could be number 2. Laughing
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wb

Jan 7, 2004, 10:47 PM
Thanks for the link, but what does this have to do with the merger? I realize all VZW reps believe that their company is the best- hands down- and they have a few good points they bring across. But GSM is a different type of service than CDMA and has a few features that they can boast of as well.

As a CDMA provider VZW may be the best, but what does that claim have to do with this topic? You have not proven that talking about VZW has anything to do with a GSM merger. So let's turn the topic a little. What will be the impact on VZW once a merger happens?
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Skins56

Jan 8, 2004, 11:08 AM
I really do not think there will be much of an impact on VZW. I do know a few Cingular customers where I used to live in Northern VA that do not like ATT at all, and would switch to VZW it something like this was to happen. I think you would find that a lot of customer would leave to go to another carrier because of a merger. Some people left a company for a reason and would not want to go back to them in any way.

As far as a meger between Cingular and ATT goes, I really do not see the FCC allowing this to happen. It reduces the amount of choices for customers. Right now you have 6 choices and for the most part it is pretty even, if you put two together it it now reduces the choices for customers.
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Spincycle

Jan 10, 2004, 11:30 AM
Skins56 said:
As far as a meger between Cingular and ATT goes, I really do not see the FCC allowing this to happen. It reduces the amount of choices for customers. Right now you have 6 choices and for the most part it is pretty even, if you put two together it it now reduces the choices for customers.


I'm not so sure 5 choices in Mobile carriers is really that bad. Most likely you dont have 6 choices for TV or Telephone. Internet is a different story, you have many choices there, except if you have to have cable modem, then you are limited to the cable provider in your area.
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Skins56

Jan 10, 2004, 12:59 PM
But the Market is competitive right now, to reduce the choices the consumers have is not a bad thing to the companies but there are gropups out there that fight to make sure there are enough choices for the consumer.
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M1K3Y52K

Jan 13, 2004, 10:26 AM
Not quite sure if anyone realizes it, but you have to renew your 2yr contract to get the free phone after the first year of the Customer Promise....

In other words, a free phone for a 3 year contract. Yes, I know, all the info is in the brochure that they send out to the customers...but we all know they don't read it.
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Myth

Jan 14, 2004, 4:33 PM
M1K3Y52K said:
Not quite sure if anyone realizes it, but you have to renew your 2yr contract to get the free phone after the first year of the Customer Promise....

In other words, a free phone for a 3 year contract. Yes, I know, all the info is in the brochure that they send out to the customers...but we all know they don't read it.


Not how it works in my area.

Here, you sign the 2-year, I give you the phone. You even get a nifty receipt, showing you "bought" the phone for nothing.

After that, it's your phone. Only reason to re-up is either (a) get a newer free phone, once you're near the end of your contract, or (b) change the plan you're on, after the first half of your contract (which does no...
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Trep72

Jan 15, 2004, 6:45 PM
No IPO.

SBC and Bell South gave their blessing (and funding) for Cingular to pursue a deal, thus placing an IPO on the back burner.

From:
http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/040114/telecoms_attwireless_ ... » as reported by Reuters:

"IPO PUSHED OFF TO THE SIDE

Cingular had considered an initial public offering to help fund a deal, but that idea has been pushed aside for now, one source said.

Instead, Cingular would use the cash on its balance sheet, as well as money from its two parent companies for a purchase of AT&T Wireless, which has a market capitalization of $23 billion, the source said.

SBC and BellSouth would not use their stock as currency. The parent companies would rely on their large cash war chests, and potential...
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