Yeah. Plus they break at the drop of a hat too... physical breakage... battery issues too.

Blah, then go w/ the e815... At least if it's a Motorola it'll have a good speaker...

it does everything the razr does except vznav...

I'd stay away from the Razr. The novelty of it wears off in about a week, and you're stuck with a lousy phone.
The LG8300 is great. Also, the Moto V325 is fine too.

What? She wants a small phone. The 815 is too bulky.

No, actually all the previous problems have been resolved with the new V3m's. They work great!

How much are they paying you?


And the number ONE problem in my area is physical breakage... they're inherently flimsy...

I gotta go with Mary on this one. Biggest issue in my area is software related and those issues seem to have been resolved.

The Razr is a fine phone *if* you take into account the fact that since it's slim there's less "give" between the circuit board and the wall of the phone. If (like me) you are clumsy and occasionally drop your phone, the Razr is not the device for you. If you're the kind of person who can keep something for a couple months without it looking beat up, the Razr might be more down your alley.

Unfortunately, the Razr is also really VZW's only "small" phone right now. If you can live with the size, I recommend the 8100 while it's still out, the Samsung a950, or the Motorola e815. I've heard mixed reviews about the 8300.

no, but that isn't that far away, and since Verizon already has a teaser on their website i wouldn't be surprised if it is available on the web earlier than the 16th, but who knows for sure. that is only 4 weeks. I have been eligible to upgrade for months but have been holding out for somethng i really wanted, passed on the 8300(i loved my 8100, but just wanted something a little different) skipped the a990, didn't get that great of reviews, but i am jumping on the choclate.

It won't be as thin as the razr. But check the specs on the 8300 compared to the 5200. its a little longer (and so is the Razr) and wider (and so is the razr) but it is actually 1mm thinner than the 5200.

Oh and btw the 8300 gets way better battery life than the razr. A very overlooked feature in most cases. I like the v3m alot. but based on what you said in the original post I really think the 8300 beats the razr in almost every category.

1. the camera is a push. as both are about the same

2. 8300 gets as good a signal as any phone VZW has. (yes even the 815 all you moto luvrs!)

3.Way better battery life

4.Not only are the speakers (8300 has two to the razrs one) but its in stereo sound, so the quality is better as well.

5. OK the Razr IS thinner but it is longer and wider. The razr's thinness and width IMO actually makes texting harder to do with one hand. The 8300 just fits better in your hand.

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Thanks, that was very helpful.
Regarding my considerations you addressed:
(1) You're right, I have an SD600 for photos, they're the same on the phones to me.
(2) I hear that the 8300 gets good reception, but is it really better than the razr? Are they on par?
(3) The stand by time sure seems better for the 8300, but the talk time's similar. I have to plug my VX5200 in every other day, I'd be fine with something similar or slightly better.
(4) I don't mind the speaker quality on the Razr's I've looked at (my roommate has one and the quality seems superior to my VX5200, which is just fine. Better is good, but the Razr is good enough really.
(5) I don't text much at all so that's not really a factor. The depth really does seem more i...
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