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So now that we have tiered data...

Azeron

Jul 8, 2011, 3:18 AM
...Verizon shouldn't care what one does on the phone as long as the meter is running. Someone on a tiered data plan should be able to do anything they want with the phone because they can no longer 'abuse' Verizon. Now that means one should be able to download applications such as PDA Net or any others which allow one to effectively tether without paying additional for the Mobile Hotspot feature.
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CellStudent

Jul 9, 2011, 9:24 AM
Azeron said:
...Verizon shouldn't care what one does on the phone as long as the meter is running. Someone on a tiered data plan should be able to do anything they want with the phone because they can no longer 'abuse' Verizon. Now that means one should be able to download applications such as PDA Net or any others which allow one to effectively tether without paying additional for the Mobile Hotspot feature.
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CellStudent

Jul 9, 2011, 9:26 AM
Azeron said:
...Verizon shouldn't care what one does on the phone as long as the meter is running. Someone on a tiered data plan should be able to do anything they want with the phone because they can no longer 'abuse' Verizon. Now that means one should be able to download applications such as PDA Net or any others which allow one to effectively tether without paying additional for the Mobile Hotspot feature.

EXACTLY. A byte is a byte is a byte. There should be no premium charge for the "type" of byte being transferred.

THAT is net neutrality: bill the same for all bytes.
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OrionsVantage

Jul 9, 2011, 9:32 AM
That's kinda the way they have it now. Granted you do have to pay 20$ a month to tether but you can tether your entire data allotment.

It's still way to damned expensive though, and if you're going to be paying for tiers yethering should be thrown in.
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epik

Jul 9, 2011, 11:51 AM
I think the fundamental problem is that voice costs haven't really changed in six years. Data pricing would be more palatable if other costs were going down (a shocking notion to the carriers, for sure).

If they can do $20 for unlimited calls on a home phone connect device - and still make money - why can't they do unlimited calls on a cell phone for less than $70? The answer is because they don't want to.
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OrionsVantage

Jul 9, 2011, 2:26 PM
But unlimited talk dropped 30 whole dollars last year 😛
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60dollarcarcharger

Jul 9, 2011, 1:34 PM
being able to send a full photo file... all 8MP or more

Being able to send a full 720p video

no more shrinkage on those


And I agree with you on the point of PDA net... you pay the connection, you should use it as you see fit
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texaswireless

Jul 12, 2011, 1:00 PM
You can send the full file. I can attach pictures to email with no issue. And I can send shorter videos, but frankly sending huge email attachments without issues isn't isolated to Verizon. Large file attachments cause issues with many ISPs.

If you are talking via MMS that would be asking Verizon to fundamentally change a system in place used by all carriers, not just Verizon.
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Jellz

Jul 9, 2011, 2:01 PM
It comes back to what someone who was talking about making a hotspot on an AT&T phone without the tethering plan because it was "his" phone and he could use it "as he wants."

You pay Verizon for the service. They dictate how you can and can't use that service. Simple as.

I do agree with the point of lowering talk plans though. That's where most of the money is, though. I mean, let's be real: you pay $30 for data, $20 for texting, and then $40 for MINIMUM talk? $70 if you want the most. Let's be real there. Where are they making money? Well, now Verizon took the same pricing model and applied it to data... $80 for 10 GB? For a netbook or dedicated mobile hotspot, OK. For a smartphone? What?
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Azeron

Jul 9, 2011, 7:48 PM
We'll see.
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mycool

Jul 10, 2011, 3:55 AM
Jellz said:
You pay Verizon for the service. They dictate how you can and can't use that service. Simple as.


Umm, this is why people are arguing Net Neutrality.

Imagine you purchased 10 hamburger patties from your grocer for $30. Then, the employee tells you that if you have to use one patty per burger and if you try to use 2 patties to make a double burger you have to pay extra. You'd look at him like "yea, sure, idiot."
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Jellz

Jul 10, 2011, 3:19 PM
You don't pay the grocery store to use the food after you buy it.

You do pay phone companies to use the phone after you buy it.

That's the difference. It's not your network, it's theirs.
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mycool

Jul 10, 2011, 4:12 PM
Jellz said:
You don't pay the grocery store to use the food after you buy it.

You do pay phone companies to use the phone after you buy it.

That's the difference. It's not your network, it's theirs.


I'm not arguing that the carriers aren't stating how I can and can not use my phone. I'm arguing that their argument is ridiculous.

When you file for a business license in the US you are agreeing to follow the rules and regulations (laws) that are applicable to the business and industry. And, right now there is debate as to whether carriers should be able to dictate how you use your bucket allotment.

It's not easy thinking of a good analogy as to why the carriers argument is bogus beca...
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Jellz

Jul 10, 2011, 4:36 PM
Well then don't make an analogy if you can't think of one, it would be more effective to say "it's so ludicrous, I can't compare it to any other industry."

Computers generally use more data than smartphones as I understand, so I can see where they're coming from. It was stupid when AT&T charged $20 extra for the mobile hotspot/tether feature without any extra data allotment, but it makes sense to charge that extra fee if you give more data for the feature. Verizon does the same thing now, pay extra for 2 GB extra and tethering.

I agree that charging just for the tethering service and nothing else would be stupid, but charging and then offering more data for it is fine as far as I'm concerned.
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mycool

Jul 11, 2011, 5:46 AM
Jellz said:
Computers generally use more data than smartphones as I understand, so I can see where they're coming from. It was stupid when AT&T charged $20 extra for the mobile hotspot/tether feature without any extra data allotment, but it makes sense to charge that extra fee if you give more data for the feature. Verizon does the same thing now, pay extra for 2 GB extra and tethering.

I agree that charging just for the tethering service and nothing else would be stupid, but charging and then offering more data for it is fine as far as I'm concerned.


Nope, it's still unreasonable. Even if they include additional GB (which still shortchanges you from the next plan up) it still should not be allowed. Wh...
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hrmles1

Jul 11, 2011, 7:01 AM
I have an analogy that I think works. I have high speed internet at home that I pay a set amount for every month. I attach a wireless router and share that data with my neighbor. I don't get charged more, I actually make a little money cause the neighbor and I split the cost now whereas before I was paying the entire amount.

In my opinion, if Verizon is offering a fixed amount of data then it shouldn't matter how that data is being consumed. Unlimited data offerings are a different situation since those can be prone to abuses. If someone has a 2gb data plan and blows through that in a few days and then goes over Verizon should be happy cause now they will be paid overage fees. Tethering charges are stupid.
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Azeron

Jul 11, 2011, 4:43 PM
What's wrong with giving it to them rough every now and then? They've been *Bleeping* their customers for years.
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Jellz

Jul 11, 2011, 1:05 PM
Well, when you put it that way, yeah I guess it is pretty stupid.
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Azeron

Jul 11, 2011, 2:00 PM
"with a quantified amount it shouldn't matter what device consumes that data because if I use a PC which is capable of consuming the data more quickly that just means I'm going to finish the 2 GB more quickly."

You really kicked *Bleep*!
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texaswireless

Jul 12, 2011, 1:03 PM
mycool said:


When you file for a business license in the US you are agreeing to follow the rules and regulations (laws) that are applicable to the business and industry.




That is not an accurate statement. Business licenses are not required in all localities around the country. And in areas where they are required they are more used to generate revenue for the locality than to establish an agreement you will follow the law.
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mycool

Jul 12, 2011, 2:39 PM
texaswireless said:
That is not an accurate statement. Business licenses are not required in all localities around the country. And in areas where they are required they are more used to generate revenue for the locality than to establish an agreement you will follow the law.


Well, if that's the case, then sorry for the misinformation. I just speak from personal experience. My family used to own a business.
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