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20+ minutes nothing but 1x data, so what exactly does reliable mean coming from Verizon???

Jayshmay

Apr 13, 2011, 10:04 AM
So since so, so many of you on here are corporate cronies and represent a corporation, rather than be individuals, perhaps one of you corporate loyalists can explain what exactly the words "America's most reliable 3G network" mean when I can go 20 straight minutes with 1x data. Please! I am really curious how "reliability" and 1x data tie in with each other.
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epik

Apr 13, 2011, 10:14 AM
*bleep* happens? I get it from time to time too, it sucks, and I'm a corporate crony.
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Jayshmay

Apr 13, 2011, 10:26 AM
Thanks for responding. I just think there is a major, major disconnect between the reality I experience and Verizon's advertisements.

The worse part about it is 1x is far, far wors3e than GSM's
EDGE.
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snappyk

Apr 13, 2011, 11:43 AM
I think it depends on your location. I guess I'm lucky. I get blazing speed (Central NJ )
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Jayshmay

Apr 13, 2011, 3:48 PM
Well, generally when I do get 3G, it is pretty snappy. Heck, I've even gotten 2.2mbps, not bad for CDMA EVDO Rev.A
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Cosmic Spiderman

Apr 16, 2011, 9:49 AM
Reliable means you'll HAVE data, Fast is another topic... 🤣
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Jayshmay

Apr 16, 2011, 10:08 AM
Well their advertisements do say "America's most reliable -3G- network." So not just reliable, but reliable -3G- or so says the advertisements.
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nextel18

Apr 16, 2011, 10:15 AM
what cha complaining about this time? lol
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Jayshmay

Apr 16, 2011, 10:19 AM
Ah. . .Vzn be spreading a bunch of propaganda about the word "reliable". When it's on 3G it's just fine. But I frinkin hate 1x.
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nextel18

Apr 16, 2011, 10:31 AM
they all spread propaganda and the problem is customers buy into it...


sometimes it can be on 1x and sometimes 3G; it has to deal with the process on going from 3G to 1x on a phone call and then from 1x to 3g on not a phone call. sometimes there could be network issues with certain call/surfing periods. if its stuck on for 1x for a period of time, restarting the phone will help. if that doesnt work then getting a new phone will be in the best interest (of course through warranty). customer support can verify any network issues using their internal systems.
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pickles

Apr 19, 2011, 11:48 PM
You say "propaganda," but the term you're really looking for is marketing. Welcome to America bro, you must be new here.
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Jayshmay

Apr 19, 2011, 11:51 PM
Nope. I was born pretty much in the same area this country wqas born, New England, Connecticut. Not new to Phone Scoop either, but on here nearly 6yrs.
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pickles

Apr 19, 2011, 11:59 PM
i was being facetious man. my point is, marketing works. and the reason why it works has never been more apparent.
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Jayshmay

Apr 20, 2011, 12:04 AM
So are you aware that there is finally an official CNN Android app? Sure as heck too'em long enough FOX NEWS has had an Android app for at least 8 months.
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pickles

Apr 20, 2011, 2:50 PM
yeah i saw that, definitely took them a while.
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Jayshmay

Apr 20, 2011, 2:52 PM
Hopefully Android will get more attention. I would like to see a Jon Stewart Daily Show app from Comedy Central.
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Jayshmay

Apr 20, 2011, 3:07 PM
Hey, I've got an Android ? for you. I use the LG Ally, as you may know, and it has a very, very small amount of internal memory, yesterday I got 3 "Low memory" notifications. I cleared all the cache from apps, and still the notification kept coming up.

Eventually I ended up doing something I'd rather not do. I cleared the memory of the web browser. It was taking up frinkin !!35mb's!! That's way, way too much for any one thing to take up.

How can I prevent the browser from getting that high?
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texaswireless

Apr 20, 2011, 3:53 PM
Stop looking at porn?
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Jayshmay

Apr 20, 2011, 3:55 PM
Uh-huh, and what does porn have to do with the web browser using toooo much internal memory?
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texaswireless

Apr 20, 2011, 3:59 PM
Content such as porn uses up a good deal of browser cache. As there is no setting on the default browser for what % your phone browser uses of available memory it just eats up space.

Watch less porn or clear your cache more often.
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Jayshmay

Apr 20, 2011, 4:06 PM
The reason I'm not fond of clearing all this memory in the web browser is I lose my bookmarks. I don't like losing my bookmarks.

Hopefully I will be in the position to upgrade in november, newer smartphones have a much, much larger amount of internal memory.
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texaswireless

Apr 20, 2011, 4:09 PM
You could use the firefox browser. Bookmakrs are backed up online I believe.

Not sure why clearing your cache deletes your bookmarks. I clear my cache and bookmarks remain.
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Jayshmay

Apr 20, 2011, 4:12 PM
Hmm,...ok, I'll give Firefox a try.

If the browser didn't take up a whopping 35mb's I would be able to keep more apps. I actually have quite a few store on my memory card.
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Jayshmay

Apr 20, 2011, 4:15 PM
Umm,...I typed Firefox in the market, can't find it.
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OrionsVantage

Apr 21, 2011, 12:46 PM
really? i typed in "firefox" and the first app was Mozilla Firefox Web Browser.
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texaswireless

Apr 21, 2011, 4:41 PM
Jay's market is located in another dimension.
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jrdiaz00

May 8, 2011, 1:31 AM
Jayshmay said:
Well their advertisements do say "America's most reliable -3G- network." So not just reliable, but reliable -3G- or so says the advertisements.


The key word here is America's. Verizon tests their towers and third party companies also agree that Verizon has the most reliable network. The statement does not say they gurantee service. It is technology and things go wrong.
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OrionsVantage

Apr 13, 2011, 11:29 AM
Seriously? A troll post? I'd expect some simple question that you don't want to google search from you. I'd expect some post thats completely off topic about your horrible droid experience from you.

But this?!?

How's this for an answer? "America's most reliable 3G network" doesn't mean "A network that is perfect for Jayshmay".

Or how about this for an answer? "America's most reliable 3G network" always comes with a disclaimer that Verizon cannot guarantee service in all areas?

Or how about this for an answer? "Sh!t happens" (thanks epik)

Or how about this for an answer? Its MARKETING, NOT TRUTH! Only somebody who is completely oblivious to the outside world would really believe everything that they hear on a tv commercia...
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Jayshmay

Apr 13, 2011, 12:07 PM
I'm sure how hard this might be for you to believe being a biased wireless industry employee. But there are experiences in this world that are based in reality, and aren't just made up to make troll posts!

Reality isn't anywhere close to what Verizon makes themselves out to be.

Do you notice my repetative use of the word "reality" as in not making things up just for the sake of as you say "trolling"

Maybe you can't handle the truth that the Verizon that you worship isn't as "supiorior & reliable" as you think. In the real world.
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OrionsVantage

Apr 13, 2011, 12:30 PM
Jayshmay said:
I'm sure how hard this might be for you to believe being a biased wireless industry employee. But there are experiences in this world that are based in reality, and aren't just made up to make troll posts!

Reality isn't anywhere close to what Verizon makes themselves out to be.

Do you notice my repetative use of the word "reality" as in not making things up just for the sake of as you say "trolling"

Maybe you can't handle the truth that the Verizon that you worship isn't as "supiorior & reliable" as you think. In the real world.


Jay, i could rip you to shreds based on that post alone, but i'm not. You're making a lot of baseless assumptions about wireless employees and borderlin...
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Jayshmay

Apr 13, 2011, 1:24 PM
Actually I am asking a question, which is how is dropping from 3G to 1x reliable, that is indeed a question.

And with reguards to "trolling". Reguardless of my own personal feeling about either the Motorola Droid, or Verizon, I have never tried to steer anyone away from either Motorola, or Verizon.

My feelings are just that, mine. I thought "trolling" is when someone is trying to steer someone away from a choice their trying to make, which I don't do. If someone goes out of their way to ask me what I think, I will say. But otherwise people can make their own choices without me going on a smeering campain.

And in my opinion, what makes me not a "troll" and what makes me very, very unique on this site is I, as a consumer, am able to...
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OrionsVantage

Apr 13, 2011, 1:35 PM
You can say anything you want, as an employee or a customer. I happen to be both. I've been a verizon customer since 06, an employee since 09.

if you were asking a question why couldn't you have worded it "Hey guys, do you know of any outages in the Vegas area for 3g?" or something to that affect. Instead you attacked the employee base. You're post was to start a fight, and that is trolling.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet) »

And remember Jay, you're unique, just like everybody else.
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Jayshmay

Apr 13, 2011, 1:38 PM
Uh huh,. . . .ohhh-kay, I could've worded it differently. Please excuse me, I don't exactly claim to be one of the most diplomatic of people. That's a skill mastered in later years.
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Azeron

Apr 13, 2011, 1:37 PM
If you just wanted to ask a question then you should have just asked it without the rambling preamble attacking corporate stiffs. I was NEVER that type of corporate employee. I was a mercenary plain and simple. It was ALL about the paycheck with me. I sold phones until my very last day with a company even though I was going to work for a competitor the next week because my commission check was the bottom line.

Now let me re-work how this could have been posed were you not spoiling for a fight...

I have spent 20 straight minutes with 1x data. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get my phone back on 3G? Could this be an outage in my area. Should I call tech support or perhaps perform a reset on my device? Any advice would...
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Jayshmay

Apr 13, 2011, 1:54 PM
10-4 Azeron,. . .I copy.

See, you about the paycheck, and that's what a job is all about, a paycheck.
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Azeron

Apr 13, 2011, 2:03 PM
Damn straight! If it ain't paying, I'm not staying.
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OrionsVantage

Apr 13, 2011, 2:02 PM
Whats wrong with me? 😲
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Azeron

Apr 13, 2011, 4:06 PM
🤣

I'm sorry... What? 🤨

Er...nothing. Nothing at all.
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OrionsVantage

Apr 13, 2011, 12:31 PM
So since so, so many of you on here are corporate cronies and represent a corporation, rather than be individuals, perhaps one of you corporate loyalists can explain what exactly the words "America's most reliable 3G network" mean when I can go 20 straight minutes with 1x data. Please! I am really curious how "reliability" and 1x data tie in with each other.




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Jayshmay

Apr 13, 2011, 2:15 PM
It wasn't in my original post, but here is where I use the word reality.

https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »
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OrionsVantage

Apr 13, 2011, 2:31 PM
oh. 🤭

my bad.
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Azeron

Apr 13, 2011, 1:10 PM
I hate Verizon more than you do and this post is offensive. Sorry. It just is. So the EV-DO suffered an outage for twenty minutes. These guys aren't responsible for that and expecting them to defend a man made device/network or whatever is silly. You're not a troll, Jay. This IS a typical troll post, however. I expect more of you. Do better. The End.
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Jayshmay

Apr 13, 2011, 1:33 PM
Well,. . .you were harshly honest.

And with reguards to people on here defending. I wasn't really looking for anyone to defend anything. What I'm looking for more so is a technical explaination as to why 3G drops to 1x quite frequently. And to those who are going to ask, yes, I have updated my roaming capabilities.
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Azeron

Apr 13, 2011, 1:45 PM
Oh heck! This is a Cell Student or better yet AJ question. AJ can probably break it down into Vulcan for us or Cell Student might be able to put it into layman's terminology. Half the time the guys in tech have no idea. When we used to open a trouble ticket on an outage, the last thing I wanted to do was actually talk to or even receive an email from the network guys. They were usually condescending jerks who did not want to investigate an issue if they could blame us for not trouble shooting or completing the ticket they would return the mofo without any investigation. I went one Sunday without ANY Internet recently. It was pretty sad. I felt like a junkie denied my fix. When the lady at tech did as I asked and went into MTAS and r...
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Jayshmay

Apr 13, 2011, 6:01 PM
Question for you. And be honest I'm asking.

Historically, as in more than once on occasion. Do I ask "inane" questions?
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Azeron

Apr 13, 2011, 6:52 PM
No. Trust me. I deal with customers every day and for the most part have for twelve years in one setting or another. I completely understand not being happy with your phone going into 1x as evidenced by my telling of my experience. It's just when I read your post I was not surprised that epik was able to maintain his composure, but I was like "Whoah! That's going to strike a nerve here or there."
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Jayshmay

Apr 13, 2011, 7:08 PM
So then it's a no that I don't ask "inane" questions?
I asked because well, that was said about me, not positive who, Orion, I think.

I'm not even sure what "inane" means.
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Azeron

Apr 13, 2011, 7:33 PM
Inane means silly. It's not silly to expect EV-DO coverage in Vegas. I get it here in the sticks so why wouldn't one expect it there?
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texaswireless

Apr 13, 2011, 3:15 PM
Re-read what you posted originally. If it doesn't seem like you are instigating versus asking a question I can't help you.

And by the way, isn't your phone rooted?
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Jayshmay

Apr 13, 2011, 3:26 PM
No, not rooted. I'm not quite savvy enough to do that. Though if I knew someone locally who would do it for say $25,...I might. Just to be able to delete apps that can't be deleted and free up some *much* needed internal memory. That's really my biggest complaint about the LG Ally, I get low memory alerts too much. I wish it was as easy as clearing application cache, sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. I sure am glad the Ally has the 2.2 software so that I can store apps to memory card and free up memory that way.
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texaswireless

Apr 14, 2011, 10:12 AM
LG Ally?

That's what I get for not being on here much. Thought you had a Moto Droid.
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Azeron

Apr 15, 2011, 2:42 AM
Jay, DID have the Droid. I remember when the Droid first dropped I wrote a long diatribe against Motorola and Jay made a rebuttal against me. I wonder if he will ever buy another Motorola after his misadventure with that Droid screen? Jay?
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Azeron

Apr 13, 2011, 1:02 PM
"Its MARKETING, NOT TRUTH!"

For those who have never voted in a Presidential election but vote for the American Idol every week marketing is the same as truth. Verizon isn't paying those ducats in the millions or billions on advertising for nothing. That ish works. Believe that.
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OrionsVantage

Apr 13, 2011, 1:08 PM
Just because it works doesn't mean its the truth, though. Drinkin Bud Light won't get you laid, driving a Bimmer doesn't make you awesome, eating at Applebees isn't going to be the best time of your life, etc.

I agree that stupid people will believe anything, but that's hardly verizons fault. Theres a sucker born every minute and let the buyer beware are two cliche's that come to immediate mind.
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mellowlen62

Apr 14, 2011, 11:54 AM
Actually, I believe I get better results from my American Idol voting than I ever have with the damn Presidential elections.....mmhmm... 🤣
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Azeron

Apr 13, 2011, 12:58 PM
Talk about picking a fight. That's like someone calling my job insulting our prices. I'm like I don't set the prices mofo, I just work here. Sure there are one or two talking Verizon maniacs here just as there are for all the carriers, but to call out everyone who works for Evil Red is totally unfair.
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OrionsVantage

Apr 13, 2011, 1:03 PM
My point exactly.

*thumbs up*
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Jayshmay

Apr 13, 2011, 2:09 PM
Why do people are always assume that when someone makes a comment that it includes --everyone-- in a perticular group?

There is such a thing as mostly, or generally, also known as NOT all.
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johnnyb0810

Apr 14, 2011, 1:05 PM
I was looking for a good place to insert my 2 cents, looks like I found it. I will break down the advertisement for you and define every word so that you can see that it is truer than you think. "The nation's largest, most reliable 3G network."

Nation = United States

Largest = There is no one with a larger footprint, qualified by:

Most = a comparitive term meaning of the competition they are the greatest when it comes to:

Reliability = Being able to rely or count on something to work when you need it.

3G = the type of network they have

Network = what they call their company.

By these definitions they are not entirely wrong. You can contest that AT&T is just as large if you would like, but are they as reliable? This is no...
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Cellular Phone

Apr 14, 2011, 8:55 AM
It has its share of network problems now and then too. I think the reason why 3G drops down to 1X is primarily based on your proximity. In some areas you can only get a 1X signal on the Network. Frankly, I'd rather have 1X then no service. Voice is the primary importance of cellular service in my opinion. Cellular phones are tools for communication.

Honestly, I have had all four major carriers and I travel a lot throughout the Midwest. Verizon is the only carrier that I have never had "no service" in the areas I travel. Sure, there are spots where I get very weak signal, but I don't hit no-service patches like I did on AT&T, Sprint, and T-Mobile.

You have to use the service that works best for you in your prime location. For me ...
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Mossberg

Apr 14, 2011, 9:32 AM
Has this issue been consistent? Have you reported it? One problem of claiming to be the most reliable is that the squeaky wheel gets the grease.
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saitek69

Apr 16, 2011, 9:59 AM
I will complain also about the 3G service. I live one mile from a verizon tower and only get 1G all the time, here we are paying for a service and not getting what we are paying for now does the company wish to credit your bill I myself am disappointed in what I am paying for!
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Azeron

Apr 17, 2011, 7:01 PM
So what have you done so far? Any calls to tech? Have they opened a trouble ticket on the area? Is it all phones or just yours? This post gets an I for Incomplete. Do better...
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cstone

Apr 19, 2011, 9:42 PM
I have to ask... How do people know if it is a Verizon tower or if it belongs to another carrier? I have seen a fair amount of cell towers and nothing jumps out to say that it belongs to any particular carrier. Am I missing something, or are these people just assuming?
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nextel18

Apr 19, 2011, 9:46 PM
are you talking from an internal or external level. (meaning who works for the company or a customer)
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cstone

Apr 20, 2011, 2:19 PM
I am talking on an external level. I know employees can generally find out which towers serve their company but how can a customer determine it (aside of course asking someone who works for the company, who may or may not know.)
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nextel18

Apr 20, 2011, 6:18 PM
a customer can know if they look at the diagnostic on each phone. there is a code ( i dont remember what it is on many phones out there- maybe someone on here knows) but if you plug that code into your phone, you can see all kinds of data. (including the tower, spectrum, db etc..)
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epik

Apr 19, 2011, 10:51 PM
People assume all day long. They see a tower and assume its for them
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pickles

Apr 19, 2011, 11:07 PM
It is YOUR responsibility as a consumer to check a providers coverage in your area BEFORE you sign a CONTRACT for TWO YEARS, Jay. That's common sense man. OF COURSE the marketing is designed to tell you how awesome is, and DUH the sales person is going to SELL IT to you. That's where your brain comes in and your judgement. Take some responsibility instead of bashing Verizon. I mean DUH BRO!!!
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lovo

Apr 25, 2011, 2:54 PM
ok jayshmay i get yout frustration but u gotta understand a couple things here first off signal no matter what depends on where you live or where you are there are some places other carriers excell at 2nd there are peak points where towers have a bunch of ppl on them at once data calling etc this can also slow down the network there are points in time where all networks expericence slow downs 3rd there could be an outage hell it happends all the time for other carriers although ive never experienced one as a verizon customer outages arent always nation wide tho 4th it could be your phone it may have lost sync and not been able to grab onto 3g properly if this happends frequently its an easy fix call up vzw tell em you have slow internet spee...
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johnnyb0810

Apr 26, 2011, 8:40 AM
Psh there are at least 4 problems with the network on a daily basis. It's always somewhere new though.
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lovo

Apr 26, 2011, 11:50 AM
welcome to the real world no one or company is perfect hate to burst your bubble but its fact me working as a tech for sprint i see all the outages sprint has in many in many diffrent parts of the country but ppl who live in my area have never experinced one im sure its the same for other wireless carriers there will be areas where other carriers excel now im with verizon i have experinced edge but never more than 5 mins at a time and only when coming in and out of airplance mode but verizon is good in my area
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OrionsVantage

Apr 26, 2011, 10:43 AM
Use punctuation.

And try to make sense please.
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Mossberg

Apr 28, 2011, 9:49 AM
*228 won't do ish for a 4g phone.
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