What good is 12mb/s if it can't be used for video???

It isn't. I really do not understand the benefit of speed with a cap. I can reach the cap just that much faster? Really? Gee, thanks!

For you Jay, nothing!

But then again Verizon did not build their network for you or customers like you. They built it for the other 99% of the customers out there who, when accessing the internet, want to be able to work fast and efficient but don't live on the net.

True. Reminds me of when I sold GTE and they changed their off peak offering from unlimited to 1000. When we asked why the response was that customers were "abusing" the unlimited offering. They were actually taking advantage of the company by talking more when it was free to do so. Of course we were stunned and also frustrated that all our competitors still offered unlimited. We were told to sell the value and reliability of GTE that the unlimited would not be returning and that a good sales person should have no problem selling what was offered. So yeah...I am familiar with companies calling something unlimited and then becoming indignant when customers test the limits of the word. They did the same thing with broadband. Now Clear ...
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I cant think of anyone who would pay $50 to $80 bucks a month plus overages for mobile internet who didnt live on the web

I don't know. I have the Virgin 3G EVDO Rev A $40 plan. They don't discourage it and I use it regularly.

Caps are BS!

I run into them from time to time. I always tell them to never change their plan. As long as they have it, there's little that can be done.

Again I say...Virgin $40 per month. No caps, no overage. Caps are for suckers!

Agreed 😎

Trolling is what people like Troper and Ammy do. It's all in good fun, and people laugh.

What epik is doing is actually standing up to DP, who, ad you'll see this if you read back into his/her posts (there's a nice collection in the Sprint forums), likes to make a lot of big talk while doing half-butted research.

To a point, it can be annoying. The way DP does it, it makes me want to punch babies, not least because I respect this site for its unbiased views on all things wireless and the sarcastic truths that my colleagues like to post, and DP just ruins that.

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think the person was calling what epik stated Diamond was doing trolling...not epik's posting. I had hoped that he would respond to clear it up. Maybe he still will.

Diamond is the poster boy for Sprint's fanboys.

That said, he makes a very valid point. 5GB in today's world is nothing.

Probably Posting that for his friends and family like he calls tmobile customer service. 🤣

Unfortunately one cannot save consumers from themselves. Let's face it... Most who are here on PhoneScoop are anything but uneducated. However most have already chosen sides. You're not going to convert anyone to your side so one wonders if you simply like instigating arguments.

There are tons of noobs who come here all the time and get missinformation that spews out across the interwebs there are a lot of people that just read the comments instead of posting like I did the first year or so I found out about phonescoop. But when they see people post 21mbs hspa+ people copy that and think its tmobiles actual speed or the lte is the world standand 2 statements that are completly bogus but just like the stock price if enough idiots believe its worth more the value will go up no matter how crappy the company actual is perception is everything

Okay. Let's say that there are indeed oodles of newbies perusing this site. Why get into a pissing contest with guys like Menno?

Because they try to call me out all the time and belittle other Sprint customers who are excited about there service... One guy said he belives Sprint should be number one and what do u know Sprint hater 101 menno^ shows up to burst his bubble along with 2 or 3 other Sprint forum trolls

I said WHY they weren't number one (Piss poor marketing) a reason YOU agree with me on. It's a FACT that until Sprint figures out how to market themselves they won't be number one. no matter HOW cheap they get, or HOW cool their devices/tech are. People still consider them an inferior carrier, and it will take big marketing dollars to get them to think otherwise.

He said he didn't know why they weren't number one, I told him. Simple as that. I didn't bash their coverage, plans, pricing, or customer service. I said it was a PERCEPTION issue.

Please tell me how that is hating on sprint. Or rather don't, since context isn't one of your strong suites.

Sprint is an excellent carrier and it works for a lot of people, and would wo...
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I do understand Sprint nor verizon works for everyone. I tell people all the time if you travel a lot outside of metropolitan areas or u live in the boonies go to Verizon the have better coverage there. But when people start hoping Sprint goes out of business and lose money thats when I have a problem. You dont see me posting hspa+ is a failed tech like Sprint haters say about wimax or hoping tmobile goes out of business do you? Even though tmobile sucks they create competition which is needed in the US especially among wireless carriers. We only have a big 4 imagine what a big 3 would be like. You wanna see verizon become more affordable switch to Sprint and this comment is not directed directly toward u. Bottomline Sprint is a big player a...
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There's a problem with you playing the victim. That problem would be your own behavior. Your posts contain nothing but the posturing you're complaining about.

I especially dislike your comments directed at people who are unhappy with sprint:

https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »

https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »

First, if you're smart enough to know your usage, you're smart enough to know to find a service that meets your needs.

Second, call my responses whatever you want, I really don't care. I know my purpose behind my remarks, and I've seen evidence of the purpose behind yours.

Third, if I write 1200 characters, that's because I use full words and formulate correct sentences, instead of run-on and fragment sentences, misused "theres," and a never-ending stream of "u."

Duh and my mobile usage is less then my home usage. Did you completly miss that part? 🤨 But verizon mobile speed is about roughly 10mbs slower than my home connection when it hits 20mbs. So those faster speed would tempt me to use a lot more data. Secondly what about the people who arent smart enough to know how much they use? We just let them sign a contract and get butt rape in overages and fees? I thought the purpose of these forums was to edjucate.

Same goes for u except your an employee whos paid by verizon I am only a consumer trying to help people make the right decision. People like u make me want to go work for Sprint. To combat some of this verizon campaining u do.

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Alright, I gave you "edjucate" the first time you used it because I type fast and often have typos. But clearly you think that's how the word is spelled. Educate yourself. It is not. The little red squiggly lines that appear under it might be a clue as well. Now continue on with your fight with Epik and Menno.... 😉

Lmao yes sir grammar police 🤣 thanks

Whats valid about it? That in a month time you can use 5GB of data? or that you can do it quicker with 4g? Both of those seem to be a no brainer for me.

Wanna know how long it takes to run through 5 GB on 3g? go get a mifi and hook it up to a ps3. Then go play call of duty for a little while. Get back to me when you've hit your cap.

The point is caps are for suckers. Verizon could have taken the high road on 4G.

I don't disagree that someone who needs more than 5GB would be better off on someone other than AT&T, Verizon, and even Sprint (on 3G). That wasn't DiamondPro's point. In fact, his post has almost nothing to do with that. He claimed he had considered "testing" the service, when he knows all to well (based on his own indication of usage) that doing so would cause him to have a high overage bill.

The post was intended to fling crap into the fan, not to help a single soul. You going on and on about "caps are for suckers" will only make people assume you're doing the same as DiamondPro. For me and others, 5GB worked just fine. I used it for HOME Internet most of last year, and only went over once - by $18.

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Yes, 5GB is probably good for most users. I think 200 minutes of airtime is good for some users. It doesn't mean that I advocate minute pools. My caps are for suckers rant is because I have a fundamental disagreement with the tactics of AT&T and Verizon in this arena.

Am I being helpful? Probably not to some. To others perhaps. And while we're on it, T-Mobile doesn't cap they throttle. Sprint doesn't cap on 4G. Cricket doesn't cap. Virgin doesn't cap on 3G. Clear doesn't cap.

Caps arn't for suckers. They're the only viable way to do data business at the moment.

No, clear/sprint doesn't have caps, they're also hemmorraging money, a pattern that needs to change.

Caps for LTE will go up (more data for less money) but Verizon's doing what it's always done with new data tech. Target businesses and high value customers (mobile professionals needing secondary internet) first, and then targeting every day consumers as the buildout progresses.

It's not the lack of caps that's causing Sprint and Clear to lose money. It's an expensive build out and terrible distribution. Verizon would not lose money with no caps. They just stand to make more money with the caps.

Once the initial investment is made, wireless is EXTREMELY cheap to maintain regardless of usage.

LTE and wimax might be cheaper to maintain. But we're not just talking towers here, we're talking backhaul which is still insanely expensive. Fiber isn't cheap.

And sprint/clear have a slightly higher pop count (though more markets) than LTE does right now.

Remember, we're not talking about the average users here. We're talking about the outliers because they consume a good chunk (40%+) of a networks data for making up less than 10% of users. Those customer's are not profitable.

and if Verizon could remain profitable without caps, then they would be more profitable with offering higher caps. The current cap is low enough to keep most customers away. If they wanted the medium it would be 20gigs for some similar price.

Five "ands" in one sentence? Seriously, it's getting to the point where I can't stand to read anything you've written.

You must be that kid who touch the stove several times as a child and got burned! 🤣

I don't make a lot. I take the bus, it's only $65/mo.

Why do you ask?

I was going to use an analogy on you, but if you don't own a car...

I guess the phone analogy works just fine too. You still own your Droid, correct? So why do manufacturers make other phones at all now? I mean, Android is awesome and smartphones are the best. So why would any manufacturer ever build a dumb flip phone like a Casio Ravine or something?

To meet market demand. There is a market for the Casino phones.

Casio too.

Where I get me a Bellagio phone?

A Bellagio phone??? Bellagio is a hotel/casino on the strip.

Dude you need to re-read what you wrote.

You make is sound like Verizon is being jerks about it, but if the agent does their job and educates their customer, and the customer takes responsibility and manages their usage, then yeah, when they go over they will be doing it intentionally and it is $10/GB.

No. It was a blunt statement. Someone like Jay or myself would be an idiot to sign up for a 5 or 10GB plan. There is no sarcasm there. Just honesty. Of course, the same is true for ANY carrier with a cap...not just Verizon.

That was the point I was trying to make in my response to the original "post." Anyone who goes on an online site, knowing what they use, then complain that they can't test the service because of it is acting like a complete dolt.

Oh. You mean the original poster. Yeah. I doubt anyone accepts that he would actually consider signing on with VZW. Merely making a point.

I'm fine with him not liking Verizon, but when he posts in the forum under the guise of being "helpful" to the consumers who find their way in here, I can't help but call out his deceit. While his point is technically correct, his intentions are less than honorable.

Actually, the overage charge is only $10/GB. But the problem is that Verizon has more users than other carriers. If you give everyone unlimited, then more people would use more data and thus bog down the network, especially at this point when there is limited access to Verizon's LTE network. Verizon still has unlimited used of their 3G via phones.