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Verizon's new "enhanced media" pricing

mike1650

Aug 31, 2009, 1:22 PM
So the Rogue fits this classification of course but my question is about the Env touch. I know it will not be subject to the fees but I am curious the reason. Is the difference because the Rougue will offer push email or what?
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Gadget Junky

Aug 31, 2009, 2:22 PM
It's nifty, where the EnV Touch is spiffy.


Totally different.
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Menno

Aug 31, 2009, 2:26 PM
I haven't heard anything about this "enhanced media pricing" officially, so I'll just go off what I heard.

How Verizon typically does things is that they grandfather in older phone models when they do the switch, meaning that these older phones can still be activated the old way (such as PPU data for smart phones) So if this pricing does come out, and they follow their pattern, the Touch would not require the data package because it was released earlier.

My understanding though is that if you have a connect ($10) or Premium ($20) plan you don't have to worry about any additional costs.

Again, the only place I've read anything detailed about these plans are forums like this one, so take it with a grain of salt.
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bleu_tropix

Aug 31, 2009, 5:47 PM
Can someone please explain to me how the Connect Plan is only $10? I'm paying $30 on top of my $39.99/mo 450min plan for the Connect Plan. Granted I do have a monthly discount, but I must be missing something here...

Thanks!
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New_2_T-Mobile

Aug 31, 2009, 6:14 PM
bleu_tropix said:
but I must be missing something here...

Thanks!


nope you ain't and anyone in the future who wants a messaging phone is going to have to jack up their price plan to get it, just because it CAN ACCESS an HTML website even tho you dont care!
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cwcanty

Aug 31, 2009, 11:15 PM
Its about the subsidy on the device. You want a $400 full featured device for $99? Than you're going to have to pay for it. If you aren't willing to do that or cant afford it, then you prolly dont need a samsung rogue. If you are getting a samsung rogue and have ZERO intentions of using internet or data, what the heck is the point. Sales reps need to put people in the right phone for their needs. Not just the hottest new device.

You guys cant have everything for free. Cell carriers have to generate revenue and with all the unlm texting plans now, data is the new way to do it. Get used to this, cause every carrier will follow suit.

chri
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New_2_T-Mobile

Sep 1, 2009, 9:15 AM
it will mean big changes for a lot of ppl who are not willing to pay extra for features they will never use, but who are also completely uninterested in VZW's low-end (I don't blame them.) People can defend VZW to the death with this absolutely ludicrous plan change, but there is no good that can come from it on the consumer end. Period.
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Fleance2k5

Sep 1, 2009, 2:18 PM
I think you're missing the point. Cell phones are a convenience. If you want the flash and the awesome things you need to pay for it. Cell phone companies are not welfare. They aren't going to give you things for free. Regardless of how you spin it they are companies in this business to make money not to "service" you. If they charge 10$ for a feature and you are "in need" of this service then you are going to pay it. If you don't want it don't get the products. Period. If you have a problem with it I'm sure cricket would love to have you. 🤣
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cwcanty

Sep 1, 2009, 6:52 PM
There is good, because without this change, the phone would be priced at 249 or 199. Charging for data keeps the price of phones lower.

Stop whining. Don't like it? Let your money talk. $10 is more than fair and the iphone model is the new model for charging for data. Want a super cool phone? Well then pay a little for data (or in the iphone situation, pay 3X as much as verizon is charging)

Not the end of the world. Soon we'll all have smartphones anyways, lol.

Chris
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New_2_T-Mobile

Sep 1, 2009, 7:47 PM
I don't think you understand the changes Chris..you keep saying ten dollars I suggest heading on over to hofo and getting informed about the changes instead of spouting off at the mouth saying 10 dollars 10 dollars.
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cwcanty

Sep 1, 2009, 9:54 PM
The lowest enhanced plan is a 10 dollar add on? How am I misinformed. I would assume that if you didnt want to pay it, but felt forced to, you would get the lowest plan.

Im better informed that 98% percent of people on this site. Dont mess the best son!

Chris
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Menno

Sep 1, 2009, 10:23 PM
They're just mad because they wanted the phone on the cheap just to "make and receive calls" but now they're mad that the phone they want will now have a cost associated with it.

Though in all honesty, if consumers would buy phones for their features instead of just "ohh shiny" you wouldn't have this outcry because most people getting a phone with a full qwerty, a flash browser, and EVDOrevA speeds would be using data and messaging already.
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allboutvzw

Sep 1, 2009, 11:11 PM
So I guess Reps will actually have to do their job now of:

A: Letting people know this, when they pick out phones and have no plans to use features.

B: Making sure they are placing people into the correct phones.
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New_2_T-Mobile

Sep 2, 2009, 12:15 AM
cwcanty said:
The lowest enhanced plan is a 10 dollar add on? How am I misinformed. I would assume that if you didnt want to pay it, but felt forced to, you would get the lowest plan.

Im better informed that 98% percent of people on this site. Dont mess the best son!

Chris


That's for 25 Megabytes! which is nothing..what is will do is force most everyone to a Connect or Premium plan which if they are on a two line family plan lets say 1400 min at 90 base will cost them 40 dollars more to go Connect...and more for Premium.
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epik

Sep 2, 2009, 9:42 AM
1) I have to ask, how do you know that 25MB is "nothing" unless you're already using this feature? I've seen people using the browser fairly regularly that aren't getting as high as 25MB. If you're already familiar with how much 25MB gets you on a basic-level phone (not smartphone), I hope you're already on the $15 VCast VPack, or if you already have unlimited text, you should be on the Connect or Premium plan already anyway.

2) You're assuming that the family share is on a Basic plan. Verizon Communications reported a few months back that as high as 80% of their wireless division customers have text plans. I don't know how many of those are on unlimited text, but I can tell you from my experience that out of 20 customers I pull up ev...
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Celling_it

Sep 5, 2009, 9:09 AM
You awre talking about it not being fair to force people into a data plan, but the you are going to assume that they are going to need more than the minimum required plan? You are totally talkng out of both sides of your mouth.
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prizbilla_babykilla

Sep 7, 2009, 8:05 PM
I think what everyone should understand, and i think that it is somewhat of a reiteration, is that not every messaging phone or new phone released will require data. in fact, the only verizon phone out now that would fall under the multimedia phone is the env touch. so unless someone wants a phone that has html browsing and email and doc viewers and all that jazz, then they wont need this data feature.
I work verizon indirect and I'm a big fan of these new data plans. it's making easier to create a combo nation of minutes, texts, and data to fit every customers needs.

my personal opinion is to get a phone that does what you need it to do, and not spend a ton of money on phones that do way more that you would ever need. it's only practica...
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epik

Aug 31, 2009, 9:11 PM
Connect is $30 more than the BASIC 450 minute plan. Connect is $10 more than the SELECT 450 minute plan. In your perspective you seem to have bypassed Select entirely.

450 Basic = $39.99 (Phone calls only)
450 Select = $59.99 (calls plus unlimited txt)
450 Connect = $69.99 (calls, txt, web, email)
450 Premium = $79.99 (everything plus GPS, VCast)
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bleu_tropix

Aug 31, 2009, 10:14 PM
Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification.
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GraGG

Aug 31, 2009, 4:01 PM
In this day and age, carriers are all about data and rightfully so. Subscribers are becoming more reliant on data-dependent mobile apps and services each day, and carriers are hardly about to miss out on the potential revenue — just look at how many people gobbled up AT&T’s $30 iPhone data plan without batting an eye. Verizon is pushing data just as hard as any other carrier (BlackBerry BOGO, anyone?) and come September, Big Red is turning up the heat even more. One of our ninjas hit us with a brief internal VZW slide deck and it details several new policies about to go into place — the most notable change being the introduction of a new device class: the “Enhanced Multimedia Phone”. To fall into this new categor...
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GraGG

Aug 31, 2009, 4:05 PM
the site looks pretty legit, it has postings of official vzw releases, heres the link, check it out

www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/08/31/verizon-en hanced-multimedia-phones-to-require-data-plan s-death-of-the-vpak-and-more/
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ATnT Nokia

Aug 31, 2009, 8:48 PM
Data is where the money's at now. Voice is not that profitable, nor is texting, but data...that's where cellular phone companys' growth is.

I am glad I bought an unlocked phone, no data required, period.
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InstantClassic

Aug 31, 2009, 10:25 PM
remember ATnT, only GSM can do unlock, not CDMA like these fellows heres.. your one smart person, not like these... well i dont wanna go there.
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ATnT Nokia

Aug 31, 2009, 10:50 PM
InstantClassic said:
remember ATnT, only GSM can do unlock, not CDMA like these fellows heres.. your one smart person, not like these... well i dont wanna go there.


Well, I bought the Sonim because I am tired of paying for crappy phones that are flimsy and overpriced. I got the world's most durable cell phone, it can withstand anything. Nothing AT&T has can compare with my Sonim. Nothing any carrier has can compare with my Sonim. 😎

Now, if you excuse me, dear friend, I must finish my coffee. It is too delicious to let it go cold.
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Menno

Sep 1, 2009, 9:51 AM
My coffee is already cold ☹️
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Azeron

Sep 7, 2009, 7:27 AM
Considering that it costs carriers NOTHING to provide texting, ANYTHING they receive for it is pure profit.
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epik

Sep 7, 2009, 9:20 AM
Sounds to me like we're being ripped off... if it costs nothing, why should they charge us for it?
😉
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Azeron

Sep 7, 2009, 5:11 PM
They can charge us for it because there is a demand for it...now. I remember when we had to beg customers to text message. Pay per use rate was $.10 to send and $.02 to receive. Now they are HOOKED and guess what? $.20 to send/receive SMS and $.25 to send/receive MMS. Now as to the fact that it doesn't cost them anything to provide SMS/MMS. One has to have a cellular network up and running so not everyone can provide it and thus they can charge what the market will bear. Of course, one could subscribe to Google Voice and SMS from there (but not MMS). I say we all get Blackberries and block text messaging and use PIN messaging and Blackberry Messenger.
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Menno

Sep 1, 2009, 9:50 AM
Rumours I've heard said that the Vpack will cover VOD and ESPN MVP data, so the data plan will not be required if customers only want to access that service.
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New_2_T-Mobile

Aug 31, 2009, 5:36 PM
just big red cramming more expensive price plans down your throat for you to pay MORE MONYE for features you don't want or need!
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Menno

Sep 1, 2009, 9:34 AM
Really? Other carriers offer a $10 25meg package?
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ATnT Nokia

Sep 1, 2009, 10:07 AM
Menno said:
Really? Other carriers offer a $10 25meg package?


AT&T only offers one dumbphone data plan: 15, for unlimited web.

And, if you have a family plan and you already signed up for unlimited family texting, you can add unlimited web on your line for 10 bucks (per line).

Verizon's data for dumbphones is more expensive than AT&T's I used to be on Verizon.
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Menno

Sep 1, 2009, 2:23 PM
Verizon Data
(as it stands now)
$15 unlimited (standalone)
if you have messaging, it will be 10 for unlimited.
Per use: 1.99 per meg (up until recently, ATT was almost $10 a meg, so verizon is much cheaper there)

New plans (from rumors people putting here)
$10 for 25meg
$10 for Unlimited (if you have messaging)
PPU 1.99

This is in line with att, and actually cheaper for the occasional user.
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fer712

Sep 18, 2009, 1:43 PM
att is at 2 dollars a mb..................du du dur 😳
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Menno

Sep 18, 2009, 5:57 PM
They JUST changes this this month, and they did it rather quietly. Up until recently they were $10 a month per MB.

They changes their prices to match Verizon's
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epik

Sep 2, 2009, 9:48 AM
While this is changing here in a few days, what you describe as AT&T's data plans is EXACTLY the same, and had been for years.

The $15 Vcast VPack (web plus other features) has been in place since about 2006. The $10 web plan (web added to a plan when you already have the unlimited text plan) has been around for most of a year.

AT&T (and Cingular) have been mirroring most of Verizon's plans for years. They usually change within a week of Verizon changing.
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prizbilla_babykilla

Sep 7, 2009, 8:11 PM
no.

if you have any line on unlimited text, it's also $10 more perl line for unlimited data and email on verizon too. they just got rid of the unlimited $15 package. but if you really think about it, how many people have a small text pack and would need unlimited data? thats like if my grandma started using the internet on her phone everyday, all day. she's 90. doesn't even have a wireless phone.
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Celling_it

Sep 5, 2009, 9:13 AM
If you dont want or need the features than you dont want or need the phone. So guess what you dont have to pay for them. I guarentee that ATT will follow suit very shortly. They are doing it with the required PDA plans starting very soon.
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Radbard

Sep 9, 2009, 1:00 PM
My quick point is why in the he11 would you buy a badass enhanced multimedia phone and not use the other stuff on it? I've sold a few env touch's with blocked everthing on them. It's like buying a corvette and putting a geo metro motor in it. I'll tell you what go buy an lg 5500 if you aren't going to use the features.
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New_2_T-Mobile

Aug 31, 2009, 6:23 PM
$19.99 for 75mb on a dumbphone with a full html browser is terrible! Even if you ONLY browse the web and don't stream anything. It's a rip off. See they WANT to FORCE you to upgrade plans. That way you get the unlimited data. I remember a phrase I heard a while back about VZW. Their old slogan "We Never Stop Working For You".
It said "We Never Stop Ripping You Off". I agree now.
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ATnT Nokia

Aug 31, 2009, 8:39 PM
New_2_T-Mobile said:
$19.99 for 75mb on a dumbphone with a full html browser is terrible! Even if you ONLY browse the web and don't stream anything. It's a rip off. See they WANT to FORCE you to upgrade plans. That way you get the unlimited data. I remember a phrase I heard a while back about VZW. Their old slogan "We Never Stop Working For You".
It said "We Never Stop Ripping You Off". I agree now.


Who put a gun to your head and forced you to sign on? Nobody, that's who...
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New_2_T-Mobile

Aug 31, 2009, 11:10 PM
Brilliant 🙄 so anyone who wants a qwerty is faced to pay more because it just so happens to have a FULL HTML weak browser, mobile web to boot. Watch the back lash!
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ATnT Nokia

Aug 31, 2009, 11:12 PM
New_2_T-Mobile said:
Brilliant 🙄 so anyone who wants a qwerty is faced to pay more because it just so happens to have a FULL HTML weak browser, mobile web to boot. Watch the back lash!


I have an unlocked phone that I paid full price for so that I don't have to cave in to AT&T's nickel and diming policy.

You should get a CDMA phone and bring it to Verizon so you don't have to take the data plan.

Would you like a nice hot cup of coffee? I just had some and it's really good.
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cwcanty

Aug 31, 2009, 11:17 PM
Im sure not every single new phone with a qwerty will meet these qualifications. This is a pretty high end device and if you have ZERO intentions of using data, then why would you get it?

The companies have to recoup the subsidy they give you and data is the new way to do it.
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New_2_T-Mobile

Sep 1, 2009, 9:13 AM
"Enhanced" feature phones are really not much different from non-enhanced feature phones, with the exception of the full HTML browser Rev. A data. The fact that these features exist in most of VZW's most popular dumbphones is not the fault of the consumers, and thus they should not be forced to pay for them. In the case of a smartphone, it makes much more sense that one would be required to purchase a data plan as many of the most important, useful functions of smartphones require a data connection. This simply is not the case with feature phones. I was always under the impression that the entire idea of these enhanced feature phones, such as the enV Touch and Dare, was to give people some of the advantages of owning a smartphone, without ha...
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cwcanty

Sep 1, 2009, 9:17 AM
The problem is that the lines are becoming dangerously blurred. The samsung rogue is prolly just as capable as many smartphone. Just lacks a great email client, and solid outlook syncing. I think 10 bucks to have a phone this capable is more than fair, especially when the phone itself is only 99 bucks.

And I don't think they will make all of their phones "enhanced". Im sure they will leave the consumer with options. Lets see how they manage this new process before bash the heck out of it.

Chris
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SwillVZWagent

Sep 12, 2009, 3:53 PM
The new Nokia Swivel (name check) wont fall under this category. It has the qwerty, HTML, but is Rev 0 although on this phone the speed difference is almost moot. Thus no required package. Verizon will have options avaliable. This Tmobile guy is a hoot. I'm sittin here at work because i think i can see him crying through his post because people like us more than tmobile
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Menno

Sep 1, 2009, 9:41 AM
There is more than just EVDO Rev-A data/HTML browser requirement.

Yes, there might not be a big difference at first, but if these phones are going to start requiring a data package, you can bet that Verizon is going to start pushing for higher end phones (not just eye-candy phones).

At a minimum, I would say these phones would be the first to get full java support (remember that news release a few months ago), pushing towards fully flash capable.. who know? dare I say WiFi? (BL40?)

There are still going to be phones with a full qwerty, and "dumbphone" OS is getting smarter with every phone that comes out.

As for "people won't use it!!" argument.. I see countless people every month with their shiny new ENVTouch/Versa/Dare/ENV3...
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Verizon81

Sep 1, 2009, 1:55 PM
the reason verizon is doing this and gets away with it is because people justify it...just like those above. tired of hearing about recouping costs....get rid of exclusive agreements and allow places like target to sell a phone off the shelf like a uniden and your prices would drop and there would be no need to recoup cost. Verizon and all other carriers are MAKING big money not losing money....there is no excuse for the constant nickle and diming.........other than us schmucks who stay here and pay it...me included (as much as i piss and moan)..
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Menno

Sep 1, 2009, 2:19 PM
You won't see a LG EnV3 on a shelf at target for under $100, not until it is ancient technology. Yet consumers demand that their phones be cheap.

And yes, verizon does make money. But take their posted profit, and divide it by the number of lines they have, and it works out to be just a couple of dollars per line PER YEAR. So yes, they are making money, but the government makes more money off of your cell phone in taxes than verizon (or any other major company) does in profit.


Verizon, if they bring out these plans, actually drops the entry cost to get a data package on phones by $5 a month. (from 15 for the vpack, to 10 for the new stuff) I fail to see how that is "nickel and diming."

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New_2_T-Mobile

Sep 1, 2009, 7:48 PM
I can't believe you work for verizon and know so little, oh wait yes I can. 🙄
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Menno

Sep 1, 2009, 9:59 PM
Yes, because when something becomes available at target is "magically" drops below $100. 🙄

Customers want cheap phones, they also want infinite choices. The two (at a point) become mutually exclusive. you can either get phones for a cheaper price, but at the cost of features/options, or you can have more options and features, but have to pay more for them than you might like.
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Verizon81

Sep 5, 2009, 8:58 AM
i guess you didn't take high school economics. As markets are open and competition is increased prices drop. Will the phone be free nope....will a new blackberry storm at launch cost $600 retail....nope. competition and open markets are pro consumer...economics 101....
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epik

Sep 7, 2009, 9:32 AM
That would normally make sense, but not here.

The manufacturer of the phone makes their money by selling the phone to the carrier. The carrier rounds up their cost to a good number and calls that "full retail." I've seen what phones actually cost, and they're within $20 of the full retail (often less). Phone-wise, the manufacturer makes the money.

The carrier may open their market, but then the manuafacturer would be forced to open as well, or take a hit on profits. Or, if they changed nothing, the carrier would sell a Storm 2 type of phone for $600, despite the market being open.

Business theory is a very logical system. You take your cost, add something to it, and you have your "price." If your competitor sells the same prod...
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Menno

Sep 8, 2009, 10:56 AM
There is still a cost associated with the phone. As Epik said, Verizon (and most retailers) really don't add that much to the cost of the phone when they buy it from the phone makers, so selling it at "Target" outright (unlocked/unbranded) will not significantly reduce the price like most customers imagine.
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epik

Sep 2, 2009, 10:18 AM
I'll add to Menno's post that if we switched to unsubsidized phones tomorrow (meaning you pay about $200 or more for a basic phone), a carrier wouldn't need to "nickel and dime" you to make a profit.

Let's assume that a company sells a million phones in one month (which is much lower than reality, but easier for us to talk about). Let's also assume that the company subsidizes each of those phones $200 with a two year contract. That comes up to $200,000,000 that a company has paid to acquire or keep one million customers.

Said company would need to make $8.33 per month for two years to recoup that initial subsidy cost. A $39.99 customer costs, according to traditional estimates, about $30 a month to maintain including the cost of doi...
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epik

Sep 2, 2009, 9:59 AM
I've sold more smartphones in the last year since the data requirement change than I did the previous five years when data was optional and more expensive.

Not only will people pay for it, but they will ask for it. Will I have people upset about the requirement? YES, I get them every day, but that doesn't stop them from buying something else.
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Menno

Sep 1, 2009, 9:54 AM
The EnV3 has EV-Rev0, so it would not qualify, the Rival and the Alias also would not, they all have full qwerty options

Verizon's not stupid. They'll continue making Full-Qwerty phones for kids and their texting habits, this just means they are making another version of phone, one that blurs the line between smartphone and dumbphone even more.
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epik

Sep 2, 2009, 10:19 AM
You mean, we're going to have another Blitz? 🤣
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Menno

Sep 2, 2009, 1:29 PM
I hope not.. Seriously.. I don't even sell that phone in my store and people still come here to complain about it.
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Joeboo62

Sep 2, 2009, 12:03 PM
Ripping people off? Realistically ripping them off would entail not offering these plans. The average customer can find at least 3 to 4 things data related that can make their life ten million times easier. If its the weather on their phone for the avid golfer or the Local directories in vz navigator for an outside sales rep or frequent traveler. Cell Phones are a convenience which means they make things easier for people not harder. If you could spend $10.00 per month for unlimited phone number look ups would you ? Of course, but you are too scared to lose a sale to mention it to your customer and would raher them get a $15.00 *411* charge on their bill.
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mike1650

Sep 1, 2009, 10:05 AM
I would seem to me if Verizon is worried about all the bandwidth being used then why not add wi-fi to every ***n phone? With all the hotspots and home networks it would probably cut the bandwidth in half.
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epik

Sep 2, 2009, 10:20 AM
I'm sick of people wanting to use my Wifi and Internet connection paid for with my hard-earned money.
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mike1650

Sep 2, 2009, 10:37 AM
So don't let them.
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epik

Sep 2, 2009, 10:46 AM
Oh, I don't.
😁

Maybe my point needs explanation.

Every time I talk to a customer looking for Wifi to get around the data requirement, I find it humorous that they're perfectly fine with stopping in front of someone's house to use their Wifi connection. To me, using someone's Wifi is a lot like parking your RV in front of a stranger's house and plugging your water and electric up to it. But for some reason, even the most considerate of Wifi users are perfectly content with using a stranger's unprotected Wifi.

The typical Wifi conversations consists of the following:
I want Wifi so I don't have to pay for a data plan.
I'm not going to pay for Wifi service (which eliminates most Wifi places in this area).
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Menno

Sep 2, 2009, 3:36 PM
Because they want people using data if they're buying high end phones for a discounted price?

This would be a non-issue if companies could still sell phones like the Rogue for 2-300 and have people happy that the phone was that low. But now everyone expects the phones to be sub 100, or at least cheaper than smartphones, and with a lot of smartphones selling at sub-199, people expect anything "less" to be lower.

Verizon isn't concerned with Bandwidth. They have plenty of it. What they're concerned with are people getting high end devices and never using 90% of the features. Those same features are what makes the phones lower priced. So they were stuck with two options:
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New_2_T-Mobile

Sep 1, 2009, 7:50 PM
READ THIS THREAD STUPID PEOPLE

Take some time so you can understand what is really happening before running your mouth.

http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1564412 »
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ATnT Nokia

Sep 1, 2009, 7:52 PM
Who peed in your Cheerios?
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Menno

Sep 1, 2009, 10:07 PM
They are offering a cheaper data plan for people who want to surf, but don't want to pay the 15 for unlimited.

Yep, we can read that.

Or are you just sad because that shiny toy has a price tag again?
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New_2_T-Mobile

Sep 2, 2009, 12:48 PM
EVDO Rev A
Full HTML Browser
QWERTY Keyboard
Released on or after Sept 8, 2009.




That is what the market is moving toward so that will effectively make it mandatory on all phones. EVDO Rev A is becoming standard on all phones now. Full HTML browsers are easy to put on any phone and QWERTY keyboards are being seen on lower end phones. As all of this stuff becomes cheaper to integrate into a phone it will move down to the low end and free phones.

if you think 10 dollars for 25 25MB is a good deal then verizon will sell you anything you'll just go ok I'm ready to bend over for you anytime.
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Menno

Sep 2, 2009, 3:53 PM
It's not just HTML, it needs to be a "premium html browser"

The browser on the Dare, ENV3, and EXILUM would not qualify, and yet they can access most web content (if the customer wants it)

The EnV3 and the dare both have QWERTY keyboards, and the Dare has ReVA speeds.

This is a new standard that Cellphone makers will have to meet to get the phone branded as this set. Not every phone with those features will be a Premium device. You WILL see more premium devices because it gives the manufacturer greater freedom on what they put into the phone.

RevA is only really needed for phones with full browsers/tethering capability. They still make ReV0 3g phones. Full Keyboards will never be on every phone for the simple fact that ther...
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yeahright

Sep 6, 2009, 8:51 PM
Am I missing something here

You want a phone with a keyboard for texting and plan on doing 0 internet/email...ok
THEN GET AN
ENV 3
Alias 2
Moto Rival
Or get grandfathered onto the ENV Touch / Versa

If you want something fancier then those models and don't want the internet/email/or any downloads then you are a POSER and have no business getting $300 off a Rev A phone

The way I see it Verizon is saving you $5 for getting rid of Vcast... If you want a phone to just look cool to impress your friends get an Ipod Touch and stick an At&t sticker on it and act like you are talking on an Iphone to impress the ladies

AND NO!!!!! this new policy will not do anything to any existing models or Rate Plans...PERIOD

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dualitycomplex

Sep 8, 2009, 9:13 PM
a note to the customer's reading this most reps well the smart ones atleast will not "slam" you into a phone with the data package just to make money because of these lovely things called charge backs, you buy it you dont like it wont use the features whatever we get charged back for the sale, its in our best interests to get you into the best phone for you as it is in our best interests to sell it to you, every sales effects our pay check.

These data plans and data requirements are not a new thing in the industry they have been around for awhile now, these are just new and like a herd of sheep your all scared because its new. VZW offers more options than AT&T, Sprint, or T-Mobile, sure you may not want to spend "10dollars more a month" ...
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epik

Sep 9, 2009, 10:19 AM
Not only chargebacks, but some corporate employees now see an accelerator / decelerator based on their returns.

For example, if a rep sells a phone that's returned, swapped, or even switched out because it was DOA, they could see their commission check reduced by 10%. If they sell the right phone by making sure the phone matches the customer (referred to as qualification), they won't see as many returns and will likely see their commission check increased by 10%.

August was the first month this was put into place in the western states. I'm not sure who/where has this program, too.
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