Verizon's new "enhanced media" pricing
How Verizon typically does things is that they grandfather in older phone models when they do the switch, meaning that these older phones can still be activated the old way (such as PPU data for smart phones) So if this pricing does come out, and they follow their pattern, the Touch would not require the data package because it was released earlier.
My understanding though is that if you have a connect ($10) or Premium ($20) plan you don't have to worry about any additional costs.
Again, the only place I've read anything detailed about these plans are forums like this one, so take it with a grain of salt.
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bleu_tropix said:
but I must be missing something here...
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nope you ain't and anyone in the future who wants a messaging phone is going to have to jack up their price plan to get it, just because it CAN ACCESS an HTML website even tho you dont care!
You guys cant have everything for free. Cell carriers have to generate revenue and with all the unlm texting plans now, data is the new way to do it. Get used to this, cause every carrier will follow suit.
chri
Stop whining. Don't like it? Let your money talk. $10 is more than fair and the iphone model is the new model for charging for data. Want a super cool phone? Well then pay a little for data (or in the iphone situation, pay 3X as much as verizon is charging)
Not the end of the world. Soon we'll all have smartphones anyways, lol.
Chris
Im better informed that 98% percent of people on this site. Dont mess the best son!
Chris
Though in all honesty, if consumers would buy phones for their features instead of just "ohh shiny" you wouldn't have this outcry because most people getting a phone with a full qwerty, a flash browser, and EVDOrevA speeds would be using data and messaging already.
A: Letting people know this, when they pick out phones and have no plans to use features.
B: Making sure they are placing people into the correct phones.
cwcanty said:
The lowest enhanced plan is a 10 dollar add on? How am I misinformed. I would assume that if you didnt want to pay it, but felt forced to, you would get the lowest plan.
Im better informed that 98% percent of people on this site. Dont mess the best son!
Chris
That's for 25 Megabytes! which is nothing..what is will do is force most everyone to a Connect or Premium plan which if they are on a two line family plan lets say 1400 min at 90 base will cost them 40 dollars more to go Connect...and more for Premium.
2) You're assuming that the family share is on a Basic plan. Verizon Communications reported a few months back that as high as 80% of their wireless division customers have text plans. I don't know how many of those are on unlimited text, but I can tell you from my experience that out of 20 customers I pull up ev...
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I work verizon indirect and I'm a big fan of these new data plans. it's making easier to create a combo nation of minutes, texts, and data to fit every customers needs.
my personal opinion is to get a phone that does what you need it to do, and not spend a ton of money on phones that do way more that you would ever need. it's only practica...
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450 Basic = $39.99 (Phone calls only)
450 Select = $59.99 (calls plus unlimited txt)
450 Connect = $69.99 (calls, txt, web, email)
450 Premium = $79.99 (everything plus GPS, VCast)
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www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/08/31/verizon-en hanced-multimedia-phones-to-require-data-plan s-death-of-the-vpak-and-more/
I am glad I bought an unlocked phone, no data required, period.
InstantClassic said:
remember ATnT, only GSM can do unlock, not CDMA like these fellows heres.. your one smart person, not like these... well i dont wanna go there.
Well, I bought the Sonim because I am tired of paying for crappy phones that are flimsy and overpriced. I got the world's most durable cell phone, it can withstand anything. Nothing AT&T has can compare with my Sonim. Nothing any carrier has can compare with my Sonim. 😎
Now, if you excuse me, dear friend, I must finish my coffee. It is too delicious to let it go cold.
😉
Menno said:
Really? Other carriers offer a $10 25meg package?
AT&T only offers one dumbphone data plan: 15, for unlimited web.
And, if you have a family plan and you already signed up for unlimited family texting, you can add unlimited web on your line for 10 bucks (per line).
Verizon's data for dumbphones is more expensive than AT&T's I used to be on Verizon.
(as it stands now)
$15 unlimited (standalone)
if you have messaging, it will be 10 for unlimited.
Per use: 1.99 per meg (up until recently, ATT was almost $10 a meg, so verizon is much cheaper there)
New plans (from rumors people putting here)
$10 for 25meg
$10 for Unlimited (if you have messaging)
PPU 1.99
This is in line with att, and actually cheaper for the occasional user.
They changes their prices to match Verizon's
The $15 Vcast VPack (web plus other features) has been in place since about 2006. The $10 web plan (web added to a plan when you already have the unlimited text plan) has been around for most of a year.
AT&T (and Cingular) have been mirroring most of Verizon's plans for years. They usually change within a week of Verizon changing.
if you have any line on unlimited text, it's also $10 more perl line for unlimited data and email on verizon too. they just got rid of the unlimited $15 package. but if you really think about it, how many people have a small text pack and would need unlimited data? thats like if my grandma started using the internet on her phone everyday, all day. she's 90. doesn't even have a wireless phone.
It said "We Never Stop Ripping You Off". I agree now.
New_2_T-Mobile said:
$19.99 for 75mb on a dumbphone with a full html browser is terrible! Even if you ONLY browse the web and don't stream anything. It's a rip off. See they WANT to FORCE you to upgrade plans. That way you get the unlimited data. I remember a phrase I heard a while back about VZW. Their old slogan "We Never Stop Working For You".
It said "We Never Stop Ripping You Off". I agree now.
Who put a gun to your head and forced you to sign on? Nobody, that's who...
New_2_T-Mobile said:
Brilliant 🙄 so anyone who wants a qwerty is faced to pay more because it just so happens to have a FULL HTML weak browser, mobile web to boot. Watch the back lash!
I have an unlocked phone that I paid full price for so that I don't have to cave in to AT&T's nickel and diming policy.
You should get a CDMA phone and bring it to Verizon so you don't have to take the data plan.
Would you like a nice hot cup of coffee? I just had some and it's really good.
The companies have to recoup the subsidy they give you and data is the new way to do it.
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And I don't think they will make all of their phones "enhanced". Im sure they will leave the consumer with options. Lets see how they manage this new process before bash the heck out of it.
Chris
Yes, there might not be a big difference at first, but if these phones are going to start requiring a data package, you can bet that Verizon is going to start pushing for higher end phones (not just eye-candy phones).
At a minimum, I would say these phones would be the first to get full java support (remember that news release a few months ago), pushing towards fully flash capable.. who know? dare I say WiFi? (BL40?)
There are still going to be phones with a full qwerty, and "dumbphone" OS is getting smarter with every phone that comes out.
As for "people won't use it!!" argument.. I see countless people every month with their shiny new ENVTouch/Versa/Dare/ENV3...
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And yes, verizon does make money. But take their posted profit, and divide it by the number of lines they have, and it works out to be just a couple of dollars per line PER YEAR. So yes, they are making money, but the government makes more money off of your cell phone in taxes than verizon (or any other major company) does in profit.
Verizon, if they bring out these plans, actually drops the entry cost to get a data package on phones by $5 a month. (from 15 for the vpack, to 10 for the new stuff) I fail to see how that is "nickel and diming."
as long as customers demand free (or che...
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Customers want cheap phones, they also want infinite choices. The two (at a point) become mutually exclusive. you can either get phones for a cheaper price, but at the cost of features/options, or you can have more options and features, but have to pay more for them than you might like.
The manufacturer of the phone makes their money by selling the phone to the carrier. The carrier rounds up their cost to a good number and calls that "full retail." I've seen what phones actually cost, and they're within $20 of the full retail (often less). Phone-wise, the manufacturer makes the money.
The carrier may open their market, but then the manuafacturer would be forced to open as well, or take a hit on profits. Or, if they changed nothing, the carrier would sell a Storm 2 type of phone for $600, despite the market being open.
Business theory is a very logical system. You take your cost, add something to it, and you have your "price." If your competitor sells the same prod...
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Let's assume that a company sells a million phones in one month (which is much lower than reality, but easier for us to talk about). Let's also assume that the company subsidizes each of those phones $200 with a two year contract. That comes up to $200,000,000 that a company has paid to acquire or keep one million customers.
Said company would need to make $8.33 per month for two years to recoup that initial subsidy cost. A $39.99 customer costs, according to traditional estimates, about $30 a month to maintain including the cost of doi...
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Not only will people pay for it, but they will ask for it. Will I have people upset about the requirement? YES, I get them every day, but that doesn't stop them from buying something else.
Verizon's not stupid. They'll continue making Full-Qwerty phones for kids and their texting habits, this just means they are making another version of phone, one that blurs the line between smartphone and dumbphone even more.
All of the bundles for media pricing are intended to make a customer's life easier. s...
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Maybe my point needs explanation.
Every time I talk to a customer looking for Wifi to get around the data requirement, I find it humorous that they're perfectly fine with stopping in front of someone's house to use their Wifi connection. To me, using someone's Wifi is a lot like parking your RV in front of a stranger's house and plugging your water and electric up to it. But for some reason, even the most considerate of Wifi users are perfectly content with using a stranger's unprotected Wifi.
The typical Wifi conversations consists of the following:
I want Wifi so I don't have to pay for a data plan.
I'm not going to pay for Wifi service (which eliminates most Wifi places in this area).
I just want to use Wif...
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This would be a non-issue if companies could still sell phones like the Rogue for 2-300 and have people happy that the phone was that low. But now everyone expects the phones to be sub 100, or at least cheaper than smartphones, and with a lot of smartphones selling at sub-199, people expect anything "less" to be lower.
Verizon isn't concerned with Bandwidth. They have plenty of it. What they're concerned with are people getting high end devices and never using 90% of the features. Those same features are what makes the phones lower priced. So they were stuck with two options:
1-Raise the price on these phones (you can't do a /w data w/...
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Take some time so you can understand what is really happening before running your mouth.
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1564412 »
Yep, we can read that.
Or are you just sad because that shiny toy has a price tag again?
Full HTML Browser
QWERTY Keyboard
Released on or after Sept 8, 2009.
That is what the market is moving toward so that will effectively make it mandatory on all phones. EVDO Rev A is becoming standard on all phones now. Full HTML browsers are easy to put on any phone and QWERTY keyboards are being seen on lower end phones. As all of this stuff becomes cheaper to integrate into a phone it will move down to the low end and free phones.
if you think 10 dollars for 25 25MB is a good deal then verizon will sell you anything you'll just go ok I'm ready to bend over for you anytime.
The browser on the Dare, ENV3, and EXILUM would not qualify, and yet they can access most web content (if the customer wants it)
The EnV3 and the dare both have QWERTY keyboards, and the Dare has ReVA speeds.
This is a new standard that Cellphone makers will have to meet to get the phone branded as this set. Not every phone with those features will be a Premium device. You WILL see more premium devices because it gives the manufacturer greater freedom on what they put into the phone.
RevA is only really needed for phones with full browsers/tethering capability. They still make ReV0 3g phones. Full Keyboards will never be on every phone for the simple fact that ther...
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You want a phone with a keyboard for texting and plan on doing 0 internet/email...ok
THEN GET AN
ENV 3
Alias 2
Moto Rival
Or get grandfathered onto the ENV Touch / Versa
If you want something fancier then those models and don't want the internet/email/or any downloads then you are a POSER and have no business getting $300 off a Rev A phone
The way I see it Verizon is saving you $5 for getting rid of Vcast... If you want a phone to just look cool to impress your friends get an Ipod Touch and stick an At&t sticker on it and act like you are talking on an Iphone to impress the ladies
AND NO!!!!! this new policy will not do anything to any existing models or Rate Plans...PERIOD
Verizon will always...
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These data plans and data requirements are not a new thing in the industry they have been around for awhile now, these are just new and like a herd of sheep your all scared because its new. VZW offers more options than AT&T, Sprint, or T-Mobile, sure you may not want to spend "10dollars more a month" ...
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For example, if a rep sells a phone that's returned, swapped, or even switched out because it was DOA, they could see their commission check reduced by 10%. If they sell the right phone by making sure the phone matches the customer (referred to as qualification), they won't see as many returns and will likely see their commission check increased by 10%.
August was the first month this was put into place in the western states. I'm not sure who/where has this program, too.