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New phone ideas come from the manufacturers?

Pego

May 21, 2008, 11:19 AM
When I see disappointing phones like the Glyde for example it makes me wonder how this happens? Samsung develops a phone and shows it to a carrier and they decide to buy it or not. I even played with the new LG touch phone at Sprint (the one that comes out July 4 on Vz) and its not very good say in comparison to the iphone which is the standard for touch devices. Why doesn't vz say to lg make me one of these and hand them a iphone? Why all these mickey mouse attempts like the LG dare, venus, voyager, Samsung Glyde, Htc touch etc etc.
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lilgabe1

May 21, 2008, 11:21 AM
What don't you like about the Dare? Also, I bet there are many different features that are better on that phone that the iphone...
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gozvzw

May 21, 2008, 11:43 AM
Well at least you can send picture messages, little more important to most people then if the touch interface is the same as the iPhone. Also the iPhone is a "cool" phone but it is lacking in many other places, looks can only get you so far.

As for the manufactures I don't think there trying to make an iPhone clone, maybe something to compete with it but not the same. Also LG came out with the full touch concept before there was the iPhone, the Prada. The touch functionality works great on the Glyde, Voyager, Venus and Touch, sure it's not exactly the same as the iPhone, but it works and people love those phones.
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yeahright

May 21, 2008, 5:59 PM
????????????you sure you didn't see the samsung instinct not the Dare. The Dare is Verizon only and info is sketchy at best no one has released a whole lot on it so i am doubting you had it in your hand
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Pego

May 21, 2008, 9:43 PM
I tried the LG Vu which is close to the LG dare I am told. Didn't like it. What is wrong with copying the iphone?
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yeahright

May 22, 2008, 10:26 PM
I didn't say anything about the iphone?
As long as the maker doesn't make the same mistakes as the iphone and leave off mms, and a group of other features there is no problem with copying design. The Dare will be different then the vu though, the software will be totally different and it has a better camera, design it will be a little different but not a ton, when you make the entire front touch it is hard to make it look diffferent. Long story short dont count the dare out yet, it is not the same phone as the vu so we will have to waite and see
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Phantom1359

May 22, 2008, 5:38 PM
For the LAST time. The Voyager, Glyde, Vu, Dare, Venus (especially), Touch and Instict are NOT...repeat NOT iPhone wanna-be's. The iPhone was designed after the Prada as a full touchscreen device with minimal buttons. Just because a phone has a touchscreen, everyone wants to think it is an iPhone ripoff. Remember, there were touchscreen phones LONG before the iPhone...they were called PDA's...remember the i700? But sadly, people don't pay attention to facts....they just like to complain that all phones are ripped from the iPhone because it's new and popular. As I've stated a long time ago...Apple's marketing department is fantastic. They got people to stop referring to mp3 players as mp3 players and everyone calls any mp3 player an "i...
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Pego

May 22, 2008, 8:34 PM
All those mentioned phones are iphone wanna-bes. If the iphone had not come out most of these phones would not even exist. Nobody has copied the iphone yes for copyright and patent reasons on most engineering companies have NIH not invented here complex where the engineers want to do there version of things. Just my 2 cents.
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Phantom1359

May 22, 2008, 8:38 PM
You again have missed the point. The iPhone in itself is a 'wanna-be' phone. It was a Prada wanna-be. But again...people will never admit to these things, even though it is fact.
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Pego

May 22, 2008, 8:58 PM
No way. The prada did not have a full html browser with full touch controls to scan columns and pinch. Did the prada have finger motion commands. If so the iphone could not exist if prada had the patents that apple now has. Apple bought fingerworks a while ago who has hundreds of patents on finger motions. Did the prada patent this stuff? The prada is a single engine cessna where the iphone is a F16 fighter.
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Phantom1359

May 22, 2008, 9:02 PM
The concept of the iPhone, as a full touch phone, was taken from the Prada. The actual functionality of the iPhone was totally different. And the Vu/Prada/Dare/Voyager/Venus/Glyde/Instinct does not even incorporate ANY of the touch funcionality that you're drooling about that the iPhone does. The Touch was designed to be a smartphone with "TouchFlo" technology...based off of the same technology as the iPhone. If you are going to try and compare phones, compare apples to apples, not apples to watermelons.
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Pego

May 22, 2008, 9:14 PM
some comments about your beloved Prada from phonearena. It might be LG's worst phone ever.


Not Worth It For Me.
.8 out of 10

The Prada is Great! But is it Worth The Money? No. The Features aren't great. I Would Much Rather Recommend the KU990. It Has Much Better Features. The Design is great. If you want to Show Off Your Phone, This is the Phone for you. If you Are Looking For Features, Get an iPhone or Viewty. I would not recommend this phone to anyone. Buy it if you want though. You May Be Upset Though!

Dont believe the hype
4.4 out of 10

I purchased the LG Prada phone less than four months ago and the phone looked great and slick however it died on me and will not turn on. Apperently it is an occur...
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Phantom1359

May 22, 2008, 9:18 PM
You're stretching now to try and find a leg to stand on. I never once said I loved the Prada...or even liked it. That is simply the phone I was using as an example of what people were designing off of. The Prada is a European GSM phone...something I care very little about. However, it's design and ideas are what sprung the whole "touchscreen craze". Hell, PDA's have had touchscreens for a long long time but no one made a big deal about it. Again, look at the Samsung i700...and that was a GREAT phone (hard for me to say anything by samsung is great mind you).
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Pego

May 22, 2008, 9:30 PM
OK we will agree to disagree. I feel that if the iphone did not come out the voyager, venus, dare, glyde etc. would not exist. The prada phone by itself did not spawn this touch craze. It took apple who did it right to cause this craze.
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llama

May 22, 2008, 10:11 PM
I just look at the iPhone as an iPod with a phone built in. That's all.
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CellStudent

May 26, 2008, 12:43 AM
From Top post (by Pego):
Why doesn't vz say to lg make me one of these and hand them a iphone? Why all these mickey mouse attempts like the LG dare, venus, voyager, Samsung Glyde, Htc touch etc etc.

Pego said:
All those mentioned phones are iphone wanna-bes. If the iphone had not come out most of these phones would not even exist. Nobody has copied the iphone yes for copyright and patent reasons on most engineering companies have NIH not invented here complex where the engineers want to do there version of things. Just my 2 cents.


Way to go genius, answering your own post.

No one out there can make an iPhone because of the multi-touch capacitive touchscreen pa...
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flip69

May 26, 2008, 9:54 AM
Very good Einstein. First I wasn't answering my own message I was responding to messages in between and if you haven't even handled an iphone why post about something you have not actually experienced.
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CellStudent

May 26, 2008, 11:03 AM
flip69 said:
Very good Einstein. First I wasn't answering my own message I was responding to messages in between and if you haven't even handled an iphone why post about something you have not actually experienced.


I thought I was talking to Pego. Who are you?
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yeahright

May 22, 2008, 10:32 PM
Remeber when the razr came out, then every model since was dubbed as a cheap knock off.(eventhough most of the "knock offs" were much nicer)
8700
8600
katana

and a ton more i don't feel like thinking of. Just because someone takes styling cues from another phone does not make it clone. On the Vu and the Dare they are not clones anyway. The Prada came before the iphone and the Vu and Dare are designed off of the Prada not the iphone. Just because it was in the USA first doesn't mean it was one of a kind. If you use the logic off the touch screen i can say they stole the idea from PDA's that have been using it for years.
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yeahright

May 22, 2008, 10:43 PM
And yes the iphone probably rushed the glyde and voyager to market, but i think the prada variants would have made it over hear eventually anyway.
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Phantom1359

May 23, 2008, 6:14 PM
As I said once before...look at the i700. Full touchscreen with maybe one key? (it's too old to really remember). But that's exactly my point. Once something becomes a media focus or a high focus item period...everyone claims that anything slightly resembling it are rip offs. And if it weren't for touchscreen PDAs the iPhone wouldn't exist. If it wasn't for the popularity of the iPhone, the Voyager, Glyde and Instinct would probably not have come about nor would the Vu and Dare have been developed for the states. The iPhone was a guinnea pig in essence to see if America would catch to a phone that had no keys and all touch and we all see what happend.
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