I must agree that Verizon will be left behind within the next 2 to 5 years. TMobile will most likely be the strongest in the world in the near future. That is, unless Verizon mergers with a GSM company. Verizon will not be able to keep up with GSM companies with their CDMA.
I just renewed my contract with Verizon for 2 years, but they gave me a new Samsung a530s for free plus an extended battery and I get to pocket the $30 rebate. I figure to end my relationship with Verizon at the end of the 24 months. They will still be the best in California for the next 2 years and I don't plan to travel to Europe in the next 2 years.
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You sound like a t-mobile sales rep to me.

Verizon is not going to switch over to gsm anytime soon. gsm is not reliable in the US.
We have the best coverage area. We might not have the best phones in the world, but at least they work

Verizon has a 3G upgrade scheme just like the GSM carriers do. Its called 1xEV-DO, and then 1xEV-DV. Then theres 3xRTT, etc. CDMA is very flexible, just as flexible as GSM even, Verizon isn't going down the tubes anytime soon, and this is coming from a rep with AT&T Wireless. I agree there might be struggles in the future, but tell the 31 (33?) million customers they have that their service sucks and most of them will think your crazy. Most Verizon customers have NO NEED for overseas calling, txt messaging, etc.
Where they're outclassed in one area, they outclass in others, such as coverage and service quality (most of the time).

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I'm amazed no Verizon brown nosers have responded to this post, all he says is VERY true, I'm just not as conflictual, I don't like putting down other carriers. 🙂

37 Million 😁

I was thinking the same thing as I read his post. If not that, he clearly is someone who lacks any knowledge of the business world. No company is perfect - you go with who can meet your needs. If you're looking for a cellular carrier that can complete the majority of your calls, go with Verizon. If you're into "cool", go with Sprint. Their phones are cool, but good luck connecting with someone.

if u want a toy to carry around and not worry about making phone calls..go with sprint,t-mobile,at&t and nextel..

but if u need a phone that works anywhere.. go with verizon

A phone company that focuses more on being able to make phone calls than fancy gadgets and cool little thing-a-ma-bobbers?

Sorry people, I have a cell phone to make calls. If it can send 2 hours of streaming video to the big-screen at RFK staidum, thats a plus, but it has to make calls FIRST.

You people are so hung up on features that have nothing to do with making calls. Perhaps you're a little but upset you're stuck in a 2 year deal with a company that sucks you in to having a phone with limited coverage.

As they say, what do you see in cell phone commercials:

Sprint: Clear Reception (though a bit one-sided on the actual size of the coverage area)
T-Mobil: Camera/Digital Camera/Catherine Zeta Jones butt
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I agree with you 100%... The primary function of having a cell phone/ carrier should be that calls can be completed. And Verizon's network has proven to be all that is advertised. I've completed calls with verizon from remote places that would suprise most anyone. That is the reason we have been customers of theirs for nearly ten years. But the criticism is valid - the arrogance lies in Verizon's sluggish response to customers requests for phones with more features. What I really want (as most people do) is the ability to choose between the phone with the gadgets that I don't necessarily need, or the phone without, but is the most reliable. If Verizon would afford its customers that choice, then they would be even bigger. Yes, we would also ...
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I have no problem that I can see with Verizon's network, which has been great. I have a problem with the phones. Nothing works. I spend an average of one hour per week on the phone with tech support because I can't make or receive calls. Their network may be great, but I can't find a phone that works consistently. 8 phones in 17 months.

zetaman said:
I have no problem that I can see with Verizon's network, which has been great. I have a problem with the phones. Nothing works. I spend an average of one hour per week on the phone with tech support because I can't make or receive calls. Their network may be great, but I can't find a phone that works consistently. 8 phones in 17 months.

I totally agree... Verizon does have an OK network... Just OK, but the phones are terrible... With Sprint PCS (pretty crappy service), I never had a phone problem... With Cellular One, I never had a phone problem... Nextel... No problems... Verizon - Samsung t300 lock up on prl updates... Half a dozen phones and gave up.... Motorola T720 - 5 phones and countle...
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I'd agree, the phones we carry aren't the best at all. Heck that's why I still carry my Startac 7868. But, I don't blame VZW. But its the manufactures of the products we carry that continue to release sub-par equipment. If the phones weren't tested as hard as they are by us, they would be even worse. Everything is tested hard. Thats why we may not have the "latest phones" out. As far as phones being ported... its like using ford Escort parts on a Chevy Corvette, it may work but its just not right and you'll have even more problems then needed. Are phones work on any CDMA 800/1900 megahertz carrier. Just have that carrier load there software on your phone. Sprint phones are only 1900 megahertz and if you live on the east cost VZW is all ...
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Wow, what a way to drudge up OLD OLD posts! LOL.

By the way, might as well respond to your post.

Did you know EV-DO wasn't even invented by Verizon? Sheez, if I'm not mistaken it was Qualcomm, or the CDA. They're just bringing it out on their service. Big woop, lol. Yeah, great speeds. Cool, faster then AWS currently, wow. Okay, we're over that now? Good.
Verizon forks over 4 billing a year because their network is MASSIVE, nothing to do with research and upgrades, just general maintnence. Yeah, thats impressive and yeah they have a big network. Woot. Over that now? Good.
AWS alone forked over 2.5 billion over the last year to expand coverage on their GSM network. Cingular twice that (don't know the exact figures, did win a bid worth 10 billion in spectrum enhancement deals with Nextw...
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moobak said:
By the way, might as well respond to your post.

Did you know EV-DO wasn't even invented by Verizon? Sheez, if I'm not mistaken it was Qualcomm, or the CDA. They're just bringing it out on their service. Big woop, lol. Yeah, great speeds. Cool, faster then AWS currently, wow. Okay, we're over that now? Good.
Verizon forks over 4 billing a year because their network is MASSIVE, nothing to do with research and upgrades, just general maintnence. Yeah, thats impressive and yeah they have a big network. Woot. Over that now? Good.
AWS alone forked over 2.5 billion over the last year to expand coverage on their GSM network. Cingular twice that (don't know the exact figures, did win a bid worth 10 billion in spec

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Yeah, I can say the exact same thing about your company of choice muchdrama. 🙄

moobak said:
Yeah, I can say the exact same thing about your company of choice muchdrama. 🙄

Yeahhhhhhh...you've been riding me pretty hard in a few of these posts, haven't you, big guy? Would you like to tell us what problem you have with me exactly, before I lay into you like you've never been laid into before (I'm already guessing it's your own self loathing for picking an awful carrier to do business with and then getting shafted)?

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moobak said:
Yeah, I can say the exact same thing about your company of choice muchdrama. 🙄

Yeahhhhhhh...you've been riding me pretty hard in a few of these posts, haven't you, big guy? Would you like to tell us what problem you have with me exactly, before I lay into you like you've never been laid into before (I'm already guessing it's your own self loathing for picking an awful carrier to do business with and then getting shafted)?

P.S. If you'd like to have any kind of intelligent debate about anything you disagree with me on...I'll gladly pick apart any argument you make right here in front of everyone. Challenge accepted?

OK so ATT spend 2.5 billion on their network over two years and Cingular twice that. Still not even close to the 8 billion that VZW spent on their network over the last two years. Average spending = 1 billion per quarter and for the 2004 calender year network spending is increasing to 5 billion this year ( 1 billion dollars every 73 days), not counting EVDO money.

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I'd agree, the phones we carry aren't the best at all. Heck that's why I still carry my Startac 7868. But, I don't blame VZW. But its the manufactures of the products we carry that continue to release sub-par equipment. If the phones weren't tested as hard as they are by us, they would be even worse. Everything is tested hard. Thats why we may not have the "latest phones" out. As far as phones being ported... its like using ford Escort parts on a Chevy Corvette, it may work but its just not right and you'll have even more problems then needed. Are phones work on any CDMA 800/1900 megahertz carrier. Just have that carrier load there software on your phone. Sprint phones are only 1900 megahertz and if yo

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HOW MANY TIMES MUST PEOPLE SAY THIS, Verizon doesnt sell the phones, they sell the service....your argument is like holding Shell or Chevron responsible for your car breaking down

this is getting ridiculous

If you want to get into a 'technology' debate, I'd suggest you read this article before hand - http://denbeste.nu/cd_log_entries/2002/10/GSM 3G.shtml

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HOW MANY TIMES MUST PEOPLE SAY THIS, Verizon doesnt sell the phones, they sell the service....your argument is like holding Shell or Chevron responsible for your car breaking down

this is getting ridiculous

Difference is, I can use Shell or Chevron in my little Honda... But I can't use my little Verizon Phone on another network... The phone is made specifically for Verizon... Tested by Verizon...Can only be activated on Verizon... IT CAN NOT BE PORTED TO ANOTHER NETWORK... That is... You can't activate a Verizon Phone on another network... I love the stupid, moronic idiots at Verizon that won't take responsibility for their product... The cop out... Not our problem SUCKER>>>>

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mjh said:

Difference is, I can use Shell or Chevron in my little Honda... But I can't use my little Verizon Phone on another network... The phone is made specifically for Verizon... Tested by Verizon...Can only be activated on Verizon... IT CAN NOT BE PORTED TO ANOTHER NETWORK... That is... You can't activate a Verizon Phone on another network... I love the stupid, moronic idiots at Verizon that won't take responsibility for their product... The cop out... Not our problem SUCKER>>>>

It's blowhards like you who believe companies should not back up their products that give companies a bad name... It would be another story if you could use the phone (like gas) anywhere.... But the reality is, you can only use a Verizon

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geee... then why do other carriers selling these same manufacturers have much lower return/repair rates than Verizon? Especially since Verizon claims they are so slow to release new equipment because of the "extensive testing process". What a crock! If their testing was so rigid they would KNOW the phones are crap, don't you think? More of the same from a company that nmakes it up as they go along. Seen the disclaimer on their "Best Network" window cling lately? "based on our reliability studies and network advantages"... loosely translated? We're the best because WE say we are! How about some independent proof of that?

phonepimp3376 said:
We're the best because WE say we are! How about some independent proof of that?

ok....JDPowers and Associates....there you go

its pointless trying to argue with you AWS and Cingular people, if VZW is so bad why do we continually grow our customer base and you continually lose yours??? nough said

ATTWS that might be true for, but Cingular added almost 600,000 last quarter, while preparing for the merger of two wireless networks. Check your facts... we're not bleeding...just the opposite.

You know, the only reason I come in here with these kinds of statements is because every Verizon rep I talk to thinks nobody else comes close. Our networks are nearly identical in size and capacity, guys. We are the number 1 GSM carrier in America. We have offerings you guys can't pull off. Just because you've had more time to GROW a customer base, does NOT make you the kings. Need I remind you of the West Coast outages last summer? Our network suffered less that 2% customer inconvenience, while yours was closer to 10%. We both formed ourselves th...
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phonepimp3376 said:
ATTWS that might be true for, but Cingular added almost 600,000 last quarter, while preparing for the merger of two wireless networks. Check your facts... we're not bleeding...just the opposite.

You know, the only reason I come in here with these kinds of statements is because every Verizon rep I talk to thinks nobody else comes close. Our networks are nearly identical in size and capacity, guys. We are the number 1 GSM carrier in America. We have offerings you guys can't pull off. Just because you've had more time to GROW a customer base, does NOT make you the kings. Need I remind you of the West Coast outages last summer? Our network suffered less that 2% customer inconvenience, while yours was cl

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The real measure is churn rates which are provided by the carriers to their investors and to the industry. Verizon has a churn rate below 1.5% of their customer base, can Cingular say that? At current growth rates of ATTWS, Cingular and Verizon, Verizon will still be the largest carrier even after the merger takes place. But who is to say that Cingular will keep all of its licenses and customers? Are you more special than Verizon was with their merger? The FCC made Verizon sell off several markets where more than one license was owned. How Do you think Cingular ended up with Seattle, Bellingham, Tacoma, Bremerton, Olympia, Yakima and Spokane, Washington? Verizon was mandated by the FCC to sell off those licenses. That is how US Cellular end...
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THERE IS ONE THINK I DON'T THINK NO ONE HAS TAKEN IN EFFECT.


WHEN THE MERGER GOES THROUGH WITH ATTWS AND CINGULAR..


ALL THE ATTWS CUSTOMERS WILL NO LONGER BE UNDER
CONTRACT WITH ATTWS..BECAUSE THEIR ORIGINAL CONTRACT WAS WITH ATTWS NOT CINGULAR.SO WHEN TH MERGER IS COMPLETE ALL THE CURRENT ATTWS WOULD HAVE THE CHOICE TO LEAVE WITHOUT PAYING AN EARLY TERMINATION FEE..



SO WE'LL BE GLAD TO HAVE THOSE ATTWS CUSTOMERS IN OUR VERIZON FAMILY.

We need to be careful how we handle this merger. Cingular will acquire all liabilities and assets of ATTWS. A customer who is in contract with ATTWS will be in contract with Cingular. Buyouts rarely release customers from their contractuaal obligations. If we counsel prospective customers to just switch because ATTWS has released their contracts we will put those people in jeopardy of disconnect fees and potential negative marks on their credit report.

http://www.newcingular.com/about_faqs.cfm#q4 »

not exactly true.

OK yeah Cingular did alright in adding 600,000 customers, but ATT on the other hand went and had a net loss of about 350,000 or so, it that trend continues Cingular will end end up with an ATT customer base that is 1-1.5 million customers less than they anticipated they would be getting by the time the merger goes through. Oh yeah and I forgot to mention that VZW added 1.3 million customers in the first quarter, twice what Cingular added. I predict that Cingular and VZW will have roughly the same amount of customers by the merger because the inability of ATT to show a net gain.

Finally, somebody who did his homework! Well said! The fact of the matter is, although Cingular will benefit from a customer base standpoint the main reason for the acquisition of ATTWS was simply to improve our network. The additional customer base is a nice bonus, true. We would be the first to admit that we have trouble areas in our network, and the ATTWS buyout will allow us to close those areas and offer better service to our customers. This we feel will help us to cut churn and increase gross adds. Its all a wait and see game until things are complete. But it just seems funny that people are shooting it down without looking at Cingular's history of integrating networks, back office applications and such. We've been there before, so it ...
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You want independent proof. Look at the Consumer Ratings in Feb 2004, they tested all major carriers in 12 cities and guess who finished #1 in EVERY CITY, VZW. Oh yeah and last years tested yielded the same results, VZW number one in every city tested. Wall Street Journal has on multiple occasions published articles about the superiority of VZW's network, as have the New York Times and the Boston Globe. Almost forgot that JD Powers and Associates rated VZW as the best on their nation wide ratings in the two areas that they rated: which were overall network quality and customer care.
So how is that for some independent proof?

jhmlbrgr said:
You want independent proof. Look at the Consumer Ratings in Feb 2004, they tested all major carriers in 12 cities and guess who finished #1 in EVERY CITY, VZW. Oh yeah and last years tested yielded the same results, VZW number one in every city tested. Wall Street Journal has on multiple occasions published articles about the superiority of VZW's network, as have the New York Times and the Boston Globe. Almost forgot that JD Powers and Associates rated VZW as the best on their nation wide ratings in the two areas that they rated: which were overall network quality and customer care.
So how is that for some independent proof?

Careful, J. They'll argue that Consumer is biased. LOL.

Zetaman, you're spending an average of one hour per week trying to get your phone to work? i'm going to take a wild shot in the dark here, but i'm guessing you have a Motorola?

That comment alone is extremely biased and arrogant! Exactly what he was talking about. Its not like all other providers dont have good reseption and only Verizon does.

HAHAHAHAHA the person who posted this thead is a total IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!! talking about GSM and CDMA. Do your homework honey, see what technology has better signal, less dropped call rate, and are CLEAR..

then you talk about VODAFON!! LOL, STUPID they OWN 45% of Verizon Wireless. You think the biggest cell phone company in the WORLD would know what they're doing when they decided to go with CDMA!

To quote you "Duh" - Last I checked UK is the only country listed on the very limited Verizon SMS international list for European countries. This means that you can NOT communicate with any countries in mainland Europe with Verizons text messaging. It does seem strange that Verizon's technical staff can't seem to figure out how to link the two gateways??? Especially, because verizon is partnered with Vodafone (the company I used when overseas and was very happy with the service), which is very sophisticated in this area of technology.

I really don't understand why SMS has NOT caught on in the United States. It's really the email language of mobile phones and has the advantage of low cost, clear writing and can be used interactively ...
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I love the way that even the smartest computer "gurus" don't or cant understand pro rated charges. The idea is the same that the cable companies use and the local telephone companies use. You are billed your monthly access in advance. So when you make a change to your rate plan because YOU went over your minutes who should ultimately be responsible? Wireless companies are not non profit organizations the last I checked.

Its always the people that claim to be getting screwed that blame everyone else for their mistakes. As I can recall when you change your rate plan with Verizon we do send you a confirmation letter of the change that YOU requested. So now every month you are aware of your total minutes that you have during the month, ...
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I agree! Also if a customer wishes to change his or her plan, you can also wait till your cycle date to do so, then avoid the pro-rated charges. I recently had to change my phone # due to security reasons, and waited till my cycle date to do so, and therefore did not occur any extra charges. All I can say is what VZWPro suggested and make sure you check your minutes...especially if you know you've been on the phone a lot. I have gone over my minutes as well on occasion...and when I do, I have no one to blame but myself and gladly pay for them. Sorry for the issues you've been having, and hope your next carrier serves you well.

astravitz said:

And just in case you were curious, I am NOT a T-Mobile sales rep, I'm a computer consultant. I am however, very pissed off at Verizon, because every time I run a little over my minutes, they price gouge me. When ever I switch my plan to try match my usage, they use the word "PRORATE." I understand the concept of prorate, but what it translates to is they are going to screw you and overcharge you every bit they can. Instead of handling customer complaints by offering to retro-activate the phone plan, they keep charging the customer the full amount and force them onto a new contract commitment.

I'm going to pay the $175 extortion charge from Verizon just so we can part ways (yes, I'm going to brea

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AT&T Wireless backdates plans to the beginning of your billing cycle. So does Cingular. Both also offer international text messaging which this person obviously wants. Its unfair to attack him for problems he recived with your company, when its obvious you lack in areas.
Sure Verizon will work in the middle of montana... but I sure as hell am not going to go to montana anytime soon, why do I need coverage there? I'll take the provider that fits me best, and only need coverage in major cities... why go with someone more expensive because they say they cover more places that I won't be going to? Its like calling Pizza Hut and ordering a cheese only pizza, to find it with ALL the toppings you didn't want on it.
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If we lack in so many areas then why do we have over 30 million customers. It is not being Arrogant it is being confident. I really think the other companies are jealous of VZW and try everything under the sun to catch up but we just keep pulling away. Explain this to me?

If we lack in so many areas then why do we have over 30 million customers. It is not being Arrogant it is being confident. I really think the other companies are jealous of VZW and try everything under the sun to catch up but we just keep pulling away. Explain this to me?

Well I can only tell you what I see and have experienced. I tested out side by side, and call by call, Verizon versus T-Mobile (CDMA vs. GSM), and I can tell you with certainty that T-Mobile blew away Verzon in clarity and not dropping calls. I live in a high rise building on 95th Street in Manhattan, which might even have cell sites on the roof, and T-Mobile was far clearer in my building.

In fact T-Mobile was so crystal clear that people on the other end thought I changed my home phone number. Verizon in my high rise building keeps dropping my calls, I go from a signal of 5 to 1 and loose calls every 20 minutes or so. When I'm at work down town is a very heavy duty infrastructure type building on the higher floor, Verizon kicks in...
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So you use an old out dated phone from a Manufacture that I dislike. I have used my phone in NYC and used it on 9/11. I also personally work in midtown 3 blocks from "Ground Zero". My phone continued to work with little to no problems. Yes network traffic was high that day and we had some problems with calls connecting. You tell me a carrier that was working with no problems that day. Also explain to me why we were contacted by EMS to provide phones to all their workers plus the ARMY. I visit NYC on a regular bases and never experience what you speak of.

As far as clarity goes I have never used GSM so I can not compare it. It is hard not be be confident when customers continue to sign up. at the end of the 3rd Quarter we had 36 ...
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I need to be reachable by my job 24/7, one of those IT on call people. My company reimburses me for part of the cost. So, for now I'm going to use T-Mobile because it's cheaper per/minute and clearer in covered areas and I'll keep my Verizon service for dead zones ( because I drove up the East Coast from Atlanta to NYC and was get coverage pretty much everywhere. There's no rule that you can't have two numbers with two carriers. In IT when we want maximum availability we tend to put in redundancy from different vendors, so why not with mobile carriers? To bad I can't randomly activate my number on one phone carrier and then the other, that would be great functionality - guess that's decades off.

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I use an Audiovox 9500 which is color and also has great clarity. Right now I would hve to say the majority of people seem to like Motorola phones, Have not heard much about the v60s but most everyone who had the prior v60 series phones seemed to like them. I personally like Audiovox phones. I have also used Kyocera phones and had great success. Also the Samsung phones seem to be good as well. A lot of the people I work with use LG but I am not a fan.

I do agree that we offer some of the plainest phones on the market.

Remember Drop calls can happen at anytime with any carrier because of network conditions. Usually drop calls happen when towers are "handing off" to another tower. I can tell you i almost never drop calls, I think o...
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In my opinion I would have to say the best phone to get for clarity would be the LG4400. I had a motorola T720 and had a lot of problems with it. Also I would recommened Samsung A310. Go with the LG4400!!!!! It is a great price and you get more for less!

How do you see it as being wide open. VZW clearly has the edge in the business. For the next couple of years VZW will be the dominate carrier and then will plan accordingly for the future.

GSM is glorified TDMA. Sorry man, but for GSM to become 3G it has to transmutate into CDMA, so what does that tell you?

And WCDMA doesn't have the bandwidth nor the transfer speeds that 3XRTT is going to have, and it's not going to be a minimal difference.

ATT releasing a high-speed 3G network in a year? B.S. They don't even have the revenue to increase their footprint. They might have hotspots like T-Mobile, but I highly doubt a nationwide network that "will blow away DSL"...which is B.S. anyway. No wireless technology, whether in theory or in the works, can top a T1, cable, DSL, or satellite broadband connection.

Get your facts straight. You obviously don't work in the tech department of ATT.

I agree. Verizon Wireless have forked over a lot of money toward the data side of it's CDMA network (Where are the other carriers going?, NOWHERE fast).

The Verizon Wireless 3G testing in California, from actual reports I've gotten, has shown speeds CLOSE to T1 speeds, don't don't give up your Cable Modem, DSL, etc. just yet. I said "close", but they are not there yet.

When Cingular and AT&T Wireless realized that their TDMA system did NOT support data, let alone high speed, ask them why they are going to GSM. GSM is the STARTING point of a data network, but will not come close anytime soon to high speed, even T-mobile with their GPRS capability.

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Who the frig cares? 99% of the consumer base at this time could care less if your speed 200kbps or 2000kbps. Besides 1xEV-DO isn't even out yet in all markets, AT&T Wireless's EDGE is much better then 1xRTT until that point, in which time we'll have UMTS out, etc.

AT&T Wireless has had its TDMA network for much longer then Verizon has even been around. Verizon is the amalgimation of many different companies assets that at that time began straight from CDMA, and of course their old analog networks. At that time data was not even thought of.. 1xRTT a gleam in their eye. CDPD was the first thing offered for data, then 1xRTT came out. Even then it was such a small market for data. NOW, though its a big issue, and because AT&T Wireless, Cingul...
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Yes, I am a cell phone technician for Verizon Wireless in Texas, and previously held the same title of technician at Cingular Wireless for two years.

I am in NO way bashing competitors (That to me is like saying Pepsi is better than Coca-Cola). Since working for both companies, I've seen their plans for the future. I am in no blaming, nor stating, Cingular (Whom by the way AT&T Wireless WAS a part of in the beginning, then split) for "being stuck". They are NOT stuck, and Cingular Wireless is the BEST carrier for TDMA systems -- HANDS DOWN! Cingular Wireless has a vision, which not even Verizon Wireless has, to improve, update and even dominate the TDMA market. Verizon Wireless is the BEST for CDMA technology. That's why Verizon Wireless ...
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AT&T Wireless was never part of Cingular what the hell? LOL!

AT&T Wireless used to be part of AT&T Corporations wireless assets, as well combined with a few smaller companies such as PrimeCo, WorldComm, etc. As a matter of fact, Cingulars smaller parent company BellSouth was part of the Bell chains which were sold off by AT&T way back in like the 50s I belive.

BTW, Cingular isn't working on their TDMA network anymore, having the best TDMA network 'hands down' how?

You rate companies by how many customers they have. Well, thats not the best way business wise. Profit wise, Cingular is behind AT&T Wireless, even though they have a few million more customers. 🙂

moobak...

I appreciate your postings, down right amusing at times, but I do appreciate them.

Independent studies have put Verizon Wireless OVER Cingular because of customer base. I NEVER said it was better or it was right. I said Cingular should be TIED with Verizon.

I know, for a FACT, that Cingular is working to build the TDMA better. I still have friends who work for Cingular, including at cell sites. EVERY company strives and works to be better, including Cingular and Verizon.

Keep posting ... I enjoy the read

Cell_Tech:
You seem to be quite versed on both sides of the scale. I have a few questions I would like to ask in my opinion of both verizon and cingular. Im going to start a new thread called 'Verizons future?' since its off topic, but Id appreciate if u gave yer opinion or talked to me on aim as 'SkaDood1'.

Thanks!

TDMA is a dying breed yo. They will continue working on it to keep it active yes, but find me proof they're working further on it to expand it. They arn't, unless theres some glaring hole. It is fascally impossible to manage and build out two seperate networks at the same time, without loss of quality of service. They will work, and are working on expanding their GSM network, and are managing that very well, in fact have a larger GSM network HANDS DOWN then AT&T Wireless does. They don't have the content that AT&T Wireless does, and thusly are losing the battle slowly, which is the reason their major parent company SBC is looking for either an aquisition, or merger with AWS! Cingular gots the network, AWS has the stuff to put on it. 🙂

LOL LOL LOL
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Ummmm...PrimeCo is one of the companies merged to become Verizon Wireless! Along with AirTouch, etc.

And WorldComm? -- LOL -- is MCI, parent of SPRINT!!!

AT&T had TDMA (Still does) and BellSouth, SBC, etc, TURNED to AT&T when forming to build off the TDMA network and formed Cingular Wireless. In 2001, AT&T separated to claim AT&T Wireless and pulled some of their licenses for cell sites and more to follow as the contracts run out on those sites.

I see the where your lack of knowledge and research has allowed you to bash companies, which you know nothing about.

moobak...Get your "facts" clear before you post untrue speculations.

PrimeCo was divied up to more then just Verizon, silly! 😛 Their TDMA assets were given to AWS, and a few other companies... didnt know they had CDMA assets. I'v seen hundereds of former PrimeCo accounts.

I'v seem THOUSANDS of former worldcomm accounts on AT&T Wireless's database. Explain that to me? Who the fruck cares if MCI is parents of Sprint? Doesn't matter when they used TDMA service, loser. Sprint uses CDMA, didn't you know that? So AT&T Wireless got them.

I wasn't talking about AT&T wireless 's network or cell towers or contracts. I was saying that it is COMPLETELY untrue to state AT&T Wireless was ever part of SBC or BellSouths assets. They were part of AT&T's wireless assets.

Tell me where I was bashing any company. My fa...
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att ws was part of att long distance company,not cingular.most of cingular was ameritech in about 5 states.also tdma on best day is not as good as cdma.might explain why tdma is moving to gsm which will be moving to a version of cdma.so that looks like cdma is the winner know and into the forseeable future.

in the end they are going to be upgrading to a version of cdma,so who is really going to be behind by then.not verizon or sprint.but then att might not even be around by then,probably be a part of cingular,or even verizon,if they buy them and change them to cdma.

AT&T wireless EDGE technology is out? Really? When I went on their network it wasn't even listen, and it probably won't be out on the general network until EV-DO goes nationwide. Then when EV-DV comes out, what is AT&T going to go to then?

Then when 3XRTT comes out, AT&T is going to have to transmogrify their entire network into CDMA ANYWAY to get WCDMA, which won't even be comparable to 3XRTT anyway. And it will be a much more expensive for AT&T to completely transfer their system to CDMA that for Verizon to just simply update their system to 3XRTT.

I'm sorry guys, I'm not trying to be biased, but I work as a cell phone/network tech. and I know my stuff. AT&T has neither the resources, the income, the subscription numbers, the t...
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I beg to differ. When you test a product you can't help when the phone is launched and batches from the factory are defective. I have seen the lab testing in Bedminster NJ, the HQ. We go through so many phones. What does no other carrier have issues with phones.

No, but we just proved what you claimed is something you shone in, as moot. 🙂

You have to be one of the smartest people I've heard on these forums in a long time.
I wish everyone else on these forums were so well informed, instead of making up "smack".
Well done!

Very Very true, I have not been privy to this entire thread but you are quite correct.