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The best part about the Verizon LTE phone press conference...

epik

Jan 6, 2011, 5:08 PM
Still no iPhone! Laughing
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Scott Herman

Jan 6, 2011, 5:27 PM
The Verizon IPHONE warrants its own special day!

Apple freezes retail employee vacations, possibly for Verizon iPhone launch

By: Zach Epstein | Jan 6th, 2011 at 10:46AM



A new report claims Apple has informed its retail employees of a vacation “blackout” that will begin later this month. Citing unnamed people familiar with Apple’s retail plans, the report states that Apple is preventing all retail employees without seniority from taking vacation during a three-week period that will commence some time during the last week in January. The report also claims that Apple has retained excess staff hired during the holiday season. While unconfirmed, a vacation freeze of this kind coupled with increased retail staff ...
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Irishfan15212

Jan 6, 2011, 7:38 PM
No iPhone mentioned for Verizon yet, I amok with that. Apple typically launches new iPhones at the end of June or start of July, I would think they would stick to this launch cycle, if it's for one or two carriers. Assuming they stay with ATT, and come to Verizon. Att has already said they will be launching an LTE iPhone in 2012, so it will be multiple carrier.

My guess is that Verizon gets an LTE iPhone the same time ATT does, and not a day sooner.
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Irishfan15212

Jan 6, 2011, 7:39 PM
Sorry my guess is it will be multiple carrier.
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iamajim

Jan 6, 2011, 8:50 PM
I still don't get how this avoids the 5 year plan with ATT? Isn't it supposed to be in 2012? As much as I'd like to see Scott get his "baby" I must say by now I don't really give a rats a$$ if it comes or not. Frankly, I think Android is rapidly outpacing it imo. It's pretty much a fashion phone, nice but no cigar.
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vzwinagent

Jan 6, 2011, 9:36 PM
I agree. I've owned an iPhone and with Andoid it's no longer the greatest phone on earth. The iPhone is nice, yes. It has a lot of downfalls though. The only good thing is it just works and works well for what it does. There is no customization and gets very boring very quickly. I love my Android device. I can get any app I ever wanted on the iPhone and have so much more power and control.
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Azeron

Jan 7, 2011, 9:57 AM
I am with Scott on this. If Android is superior to ios then let the market bear it out.
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mellowlen62

Jan 7, 2011, 7:09 PM
Initially it's going to be ridiculous. Only because people in the main always want what they can't have.
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Cosmic Spiderman

Jan 8, 2011, 8:09 PM
Has a great video Android vs. iOS. Top 5 reasons Android is better than iOS...
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CellStudent

Jan 7, 2011, 11:41 AM
Irishfan15212 said:
Apple typically launches new iPhones at the end of June or start of July, I would think they would stick to this launch cycle, if it's for one or two carriers.

The difference here is that the hardware design of the iPhone4 is so technologically terrible, they're likely jumping at the bit to get the next body style on line ASAP.

There is no reason to expect another 6 month delay before the next generation, with or without the obvious leaks flooding the internet already.
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Irishfan15212

Jan 7, 2011, 6:22 PM
I hold the belief that Apple is not concerned about it, antennagate went by without much fanfare in regards to sales. They got a little bad press, but they marched on. They can announce anything they want in January, they announced the first iPhone in a January, they still did not release it until July of 2007.


In other news Gizmodo reports that the iPhone will be announced on Tuesday.
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Azeron

Jan 7, 2011, 9:54 AM
I am glad to see that your undaunted optimism remains.
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acculabs

Jan 7, 2011, 8:13 AM
I hope Verizon never gets the iPhone. We don't need all the children and Jobs Groupies. Let them stay with ATT.
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Azeron

Jan 7, 2011, 10:00 AM
The problem here is with the "we". Who is "we"? Seriously.
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Cellular Phone

Jan 7, 2011, 10:06 AM
Let AT&T keep the iPhone. We have Droid, Droid is better for VZW.
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Cosmic Spiderman

Jan 8, 2011, 8:11 PM
is better for VZW. More customers for VZW and less for AT&T
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Azeron

Jan 8, 2011, 11:25 PM
WTF??? Seriously? You think Verizon should just leave money on the table? AT&T had 3.2 million new activations of iphones in Q3 2010 and Verizon doesn't want any of that?
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Menno

Jan 7, 2011, 10:54 AM
Very Happy I know you wanted to make a joke, but the thing that made me the MOST excited about the presser was when someone asked Verizon about if the devices would be locked to the network.

Verizon replied that the customer would be identified by their Sim and their plan and that the devices met the standards of "Open handsets" or something along those lines.

We know that no other carriers really will be compatible with the Thunderbolt, at least initially. But this is an amazing first step because it means that it opens the door for NON-Verizon handsets to work on the network, provided you have a Verizon LTE Sim and contract to go with it.

This means we're a HECK of a lot closer to carrier agnostic handsets than we were just a few weeks a...
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60dollarcarcharger

Jan 7, 2011, 11:17 AM
I'm getting the vibe from this whole thing that Verizon will still keep some of their handsets network specific by using a different shape or size sim card
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Menno

Jan 7, 2011, 11:24 AM
Then it wouldn't meet the requirements of the group it said it met.

Also, their LTE SIM's are standard size.
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60dollarcarcharger

Jan 7, 2011, 1:55 PM
I was looking at it backwards

Of course the sims will be standard size...

Im thinking more about the allure of a carrier to carry a "only here" device... I'm feeling that Verizon is going to want to ride the wave of THEIR LTE launch and keep their awesome devices to themselves by either no "unlocking them" or providing some kind of safeguard (which i where I came up with the different sim idea)

I'm a bit crazy I admit... but I know these companies will avoid the "something for nothing or from someone else" at almost an equally crazy obsession.
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Azeron

Jan 7, 2011, 3:23 PM
I detest Big Red as much as the next guy, but beyond locking the device I can't imagine what else could be done. Besides, if someone pays full retail price or contract price plus $350 ETF I can't understand what VZW's beef would be.
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60dollarcarcharger

Jan 7, 2011, 3:39 PM
You're talking about what's fair.... not always cellular company's M.O.
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epik

Jan 7, 2011, 3:50 PM
Very true, but the FCC is slowly catching up to it, it seems.
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Azeron

Jan 7, 2011, 11:29 AM
...anything those *Bleep*ards say after the lie that was the Open Device Initiative. If it happens...GREAT! I'll believe it when I see it and not until.
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CellStudent

Jan 7, 2011, 11:38 AM
Azeron said:
I don't believe anything those *Bleep*ards say after the lie that was the Open Device Initiative. If it happens...GREAT! I'll believe it when I see it and not until.



There is one HUGE difference between LTE and the laughing-stock CDMA "Open" Device Initiative:

The LTE open access requirement is mandated by the FCC strings attached to the C-block spectrum auction.

Verizon cannot block development and deployment of 3rd party hardware unless they can irrefutably show that the devices being used will cause measurable harmful interference or damage to the network.

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Azeron

Jan 7, 2011, 12:14 PM
Not sure how a belief can be wrong. I don't trust Verizon. The End.
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DiamondPro

Jan 8, 2011, 6:54 PM
Neither do I the ceo has said things that were false and continues to do so but nobody calls him out and there business model is tax tax tax! Evil or Very Mad
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epik

Jan 8, 2011, 7:48 PM
Are you twelve?
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DiamondPro

Jan 8, 2011, 8:39 PM
epik said:
Are you twelve?

Are u six? Come on now epix is that the best u can do?Laughing I thought we where gonna be professional in our responses to each other... Eh? I guess thats just to much to ask. Your reply had nothing to do with the statement I made. Responses like that are very childish and u should keep them to yourself Wink
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epik

Jan 8, 2011, 8:44 PM
You no longer deserve professional, or for that matter, even a response. My kid in kindergarten spells and structures sentences better than you do. You're combative, irrational, and enjoy attention. And I'm done playing in your sandbox. Simple as that.
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DiamondPro

Jan 8, 2011, 8:54 PM
Laughing because I said verizon ceo lies and they tax and charge extra? What a lame...
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epik

Jan 7, 2011, 12:10 PM
Azeron, if your issue with the open device initiative is based on the VPhone debacle, I've been learning a lot about the VPhone lately, and short of an admission from Verizon Wireless (which I've requested), it looks like Verizon might have cleared that phone through testing a very long time ago.

It took Bug Labs six months to develop LTE devices and get them through testing. And Cisco. And a few others. Verizon seems to be the least of their issues.
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epik

Jan 7, 2011, 11:34 AM
Yes, it was a joke. A joke based on a good number of people who keep telling me that Verizon is launching an iPhone in January 2011. Or that it's being announced. Or that Apple has ordered units. Even today, on BGR, there was yet another new rumor saying the iPhone was being launched on Feb 3, based on a vacation blackout at Apple.

I'm just tired of rumor after rumor. I stopped visiting PhoneScoop for a while because that was ALL we talked about (how fitting that I started this thread, huh?). At this point, it happens when it happens, as far as I'm concerned.

And big props to Verizon on making their LTE phones as open as possible (they still have 1xEVDO on them). It was cool to hear that the LTE on the phones are also backward c...
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Azeron

Jan 7, 2011, 12:20 PM
I understood it to be a joke. I just take every opportunity to support Scott. The guy is just the most loyal Verizon/iphone fan ever. He should be rewarded with a Verizon iphone as soon as possible. But..yeah launching a phone in January and being faced with thousands of returns of holiday phones would be disastrous. They should wait until March at least.
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epik

Jan 7, 2011, 12:36 PM
I have to give Scott props, too. He hasn't been swayed over the AT&T in all this time, but he hasn't given up hope on an iPhone for Verizon. I would support a campaign to award one to him.

There are so many facets to the whole iPhone thing that I feel like my head spun off ages ago. But if I think with my Verizon Minion mentality, I would release the iPhone no sooner than 35 days from around December 25th (which, conveniently, is the beginning of February). I wouldn't announce it until the Friday before launch date, so it doesn't kill weeks of sales. If I were a Verizon Minion Master, I would probably also increase the restock free to $40, and make people do something silly like send in a form to get their refund.

But I'm neithe...
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Azeron

Jan 7, 2011, 12:56 PM
No doubt. Also if there were a rebate, I would make it mail-in EVEN on-line like the did with the high-end Droids.
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Cosmic Spiderman

Jan 8, 2011, 8:23 PM
Scott an iPhone starts here. We will take up a collection to buy one for him when/if it comes out. Please send checks or money orders care of Cosmic Spiderman and payable to me. Private message for my real name. Upon arrival of the Vphone, it will be purchased on behalf of Scott and mailed to him, next day air. Cool
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CellStudent

Jan 7, 2011, 12:36 PM
epik said:
It was cool to hear that the LTE on the phones are also backward compatible to HSPA/GSM/GPRS.


That's a bombshell that I missed.

Where was that put in writing, if you don't mind my asking?
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epik

Jan 7, 2011, 12:38 PM
Let me dig up my notes from the conference and look at it. It was during the Q&A. BRB.
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epik

Jan 7, 2011, 1:16 PM
The video can be seen here:
http://www.verizonwebcasts.com/ces/2011/news »

At marker 37:45, second question in Q&A segment.

Myriam Joire of Engadget asks:
"Hi, I'm Myriam Joire with Engadget. I've got a couple of questions for you. The first one is, have you worked on battery life optimization? Obviously that's a big issue for 4G networks. And then the other question is related to global roaming - there are going to be other LTE networks in other parts of the world at different frequencies, and of course you already have a SIM card in the device, so you could possibly fall back to a 3G network on a GSM network. I'm curious about these two things, please."

Tony Melone:
"Yup, well let me start with the battery performance. We'v...
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CellStudent

Jan 7, 2011, 1:23 PM
epik said:

Tony Melone:
With regard to roaming, absolutely, the devices will be able to take advantage, over the course of this year as we build some back end infrastructure, to be able to roam overseas utilizing 3GPP networks, whether it's LTE if it's available, or if LTE's not available, HSPA or GSM, GPRS."

Interesting. That means, at the very least, that they're going to have to put European antennas in these LTE devices to pull the overseas GSM bands, even if the LTE processor can read the GSM inputs just fine.

They're cramming a lot of gear into they little (giant-sized) launch phones. I would think global compatibility would be shelved for future devices. Interesting.

Thanks for the data, ...
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Azeron

Jan 7, 2011, 3:20 PM
The 9530, 9550, 9630 etc...all are able to roam on GSM as well with Verizon locking 850 and 1900 to keep users off AT&T and T-Mobile domestically. I suppose this will be business as usual...
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epik

Jan 7, 2011, 3:50 PM
Except that they're not allowed to do that as part of the federal mandate that came with the spectrum.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see how it plays out.
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