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Confession

Azeron

Oct 18, 2009, 3:50 AM
I want an Iphone. There I said it. The Blackberry Storm 2 is on the way and many are planning to upgrade to it. Some are planning to lie about the service/signal/taste of their existing phone in an attempt to bully tech support into GIVING them a Storm 2 (good luck with that). Me? I'm going to sulk in the corner with my Curve coveting the Iphone. I'll go to my cousin's house and play with his or his wife's Iphone or even their eight-year- old's Ipod Touch and dream of the day when Verizon will have its LTE network up and running and I will have an Iphone on Verizon. As long as I am dreaming I am sure winning the Powerball will be in there as well.

Why don't I just switch to AT&T? Did I mention that the 3G does not work inside my ...
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Menno

Oct 18, 2009, 11:51 AM
I don't think you can compare any phone to an iphone, not because it is superior (different argument) but because it is very different from everything available. (patents help this). I think that people going for a phone because it's "Like an iphone" will always be disappointed, just like people who want a phone "like a smart phone" but refuse to pay the data charges will never be happy.

It's not a question of the number of people who want the phone on verizon (a ton of people do)

It's that APPLE and Verizon are both very controlling companies. They want their product designed and used a certain way because it reduces the chance that something will go wrong. I'm sure the two companies see how profitable it would be if both of them...
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vzwinagent

Oct 18, 2009, 2:28 PM
Here's my confession. I own a Verizon Agent store and got an Iphone about a month and a half ago. I love it! I figured why not? I've wanted one forever. I though heck, I get free service from Verizon, I might as well be like everyone else and pay a cellphone bill. I'm glad I did it. There isn't another phone out there that compares to the Iphone.

As for the AT&T service... I guess it's what you would expect. I actually have a tad bit surprised. My little town seems to have pretty decent coverage. Calls can be a little garbled here and there but it's not a constant thing. There is no 3G coverage here which Verizon obviously does that. That sucks a little but I'm pretty much always somewhere where there is WiFi. If I'm not then...
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mellowlen62

Oct 18, 2009, 2:51 PM
Verizon could care less. They are not going under because they don't carry the iphone. This may be hard to fathom, but there's quite a large segment of the population that has no desire to own an iphone. The new "idont" commercial for android is fantastic and it says so much about the precious iphone. But there will always be followers - the masses who have to have the latest "it" gadget to feel like they're worth something. That won't change. A lot of my friends have an ipod touch to they get their fix without AT&T's crappy network. Whatever floats your boat. And I'm not knocking what the iphone does well, because it's obviously a brilliant device in some respects, but to say "Verizon better hurry up and get the iphone" is just ridiculous. ...
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vzwinagent

Oct 18, 2009, 2:54 PM
Oh I know what you're saying. It's just funny what Verizon keeps doing. Every device that comes out they compare it to the Iphone and say what it does that the Iphone doesn't. The funny thing is, the Iphone does everything I need it to. I don't care about those other things. I don't think the people that want the Iphone do either. Just give us an Iphone.. that's what we want. I could care less about any other phone.
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AshDizzle

Oct 18, 2009, 3:48 PM
The geniuses at VZW should've thought about these implications before building a national CDMA network that no one else in the world uses.
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mellowlen62

Oct 18, 2009, 4:03 PM
You're wrong. Check your facts before you spout off untruthful statements.
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AshDizzle

Oct 18, 2009, 4:50 PM
Oh hey mellowlen62. You seem to be pretty knowledgable. Maybe you're one of the original geniuses I'm referring to and you took some offense to that statement?

Even more likely: You are in no way related to those people but are nothing more than a VZW fangirl who can't believe that your beloved company could ever make a mistake.

YOU'RE MOVE
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AshDizzle

Oct 18, 2009, 6:09 PM
Yes that is right I said YOU ARE MOVE.

But I'll finish it for you:

CDMA worldwide currently has around 502 million subscribers. GSM on the other hand has over 3 billion. That is what I was talking about.
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VZW611LA

Oct 18, 2009, 11:24 PM
The number of customers GSM has, has nothing to do with coverage. Why would we care about how many they have? CDMA is much stronger in the US then GSM. AT&T and T-Mobile make the GSM world look like CRAP. I can take my Verizon phone where ever I want to in the world and still come back to the US with the best network in the US.
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AshDizzle

Oct 19, 2009, 5:13 PM
Since you are continually posting replies to messages to which you have not even read the full thread, I'll spell it out for your 5 year old mind:

The original topic was "WHY DOESN'T VERIZON HAVE THE IPHONE?"

I said, they don't have the iphone because Apple, in a sensible move, made one device which is compatible with 85% of the world's mobile phone networks. Why would they spend all the R&D on a CDMA device that only works primarily in the US on Verizon/Sprint and a few other random countries throughout the world? ESPECIALLY when Verizon is migrating to a 4th generation GSM standard within the next few years?

So, by choosing the CDMA standard, Verizon has secluded themselves from the rest of the mobile industry, and has indirectl...
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Otowncell

Oct 20, 2009, 12:26 PM
My Storm actually has GSM; SUCK IT! Shocked
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AshDizzle

Oct 20, 2009, 12:31 PM
Great! You can go overseas and use the network in Europe. But guess what? No one from Europe can come and use their phones with the CDMA networks. Thanks to AT&T and T-Mobile, European business people can seamlessly work when they travel to the USA.
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weedo

Oct 20, 2009, 7:48 PM
I agree with you on some parts, but lets get serious about why AT&T has the iphone. Verizon didn't want to bend over backwards and give apple a high percentage of each data plans they sell with the iphone like at&t does now. Yes GSM is all over the world but the only thing people in the US are worried about what network is good in the U!
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AshDizzle

Nov 6, 2009, 6:45 PM
weedo said:
I agree with you on some parts, but lets get serious about why AT&T has the iphone. Verizon didn't want to bend over backwards and give apple a high percentage of each data plans they sell with the iphone like at&t does now.


This is a myth. Apple never approached VZW with the iPhone at first.
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Menno

Oct 19, 2009, 1:22 AM
Yes, we should adopt GSM because other governments forced their companies to ONLY develop that technology. GSM was developed first, and companies were forced to continue to develop it no matter what alternatives existed, where as in the US, companies were able to choose, and overwhelmingly they chose CDMA.. in fact, in countries where there is no government mandated standard, there is almost always a gsm variant.


Well OSX is only on (at best) 10% of computers compared to the overwhelming number of windows machines. maybe the iphone 4.0 should just throw in the towel and go with a global standard to make it easier on developers. Imagine the iphone running WINMO 6.1 and then get back to me about "superiority" equated by subscription b...
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Menno

Oct 19, 2009, 1:33 AM
*there is almost always a CDMA variant.*

WTB edit.. or at least something that prevents quick posts at night.
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AshDizzle

Oct 19, 2009, 6:14 PM
YOU aren't adopting anything. YOU are not Verizon. Stop taking it so personal.
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Menno

Oct 19, 2009, 6:22 PM
I'm not taking it personal. I find it easier to refer to the company (when I am talking about it) as we, because it's easier than typing Verizon all the time.


Besides, when a customer comes in here kicking and screaming about their bill, they assume it's my fault anyway, so I don't see the difference.
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mellowlen62

Oct 19, 2009, 7:42 PM
Touche.
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mellowlen62

Oct 20, 2009, 12:02 PM
You said "no other country uses". I just beg to differ. Wasn't a true statement. Period. Don't claim to be a genius.
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AshDizzle

Oct 20, 2009, 12:20 PM
But I am a genius.
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Azeron

Oct 18, 2009, 7:57 PM
Why did you allow yourself to be baited? We are not here to argue CDMA versus GSM. We are here to daydream about the Iphone on Verizon LTE. Let's get back on point and ignore all insults. Do NOT let that guy jack my thread. Thanks! Smile
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AshDizzle

Oct 19, 2009, 5:48 PM
It's too late. I have taken control of this thread. Once VZW611LA starts posting in here trying to defend Verizon and offend AT&T, it's all over. Oh! I think I see him over there...
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crazyeaglefan236

Oct 18, 2009, 11:09 PM
AshDizzle said:
The geniuses at VZW should've thought about these implications before building a national CDMA network that no one else in the world uses.



Ok. I am lost. First you say "No one" (and I am quoting). Then you go on to say in a future post that over 500 million people world wide use CDMA. Which is it? Or did you lie?
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Azeron

Oct 18, 2009, 11:50 PM
do not encourage him. This thread is not about whose CEO can beat up the other, but rather how badly we want the Iphone to come to Verizon. Let's stay on topic, please. Very Happy
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AshDizzle

Oct 19, 2009, 5:50 PM
I was speaking in generalities. Have you ever done that before?
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crazyeaglefan236

Oct 19, 2009, 11:52 PM
Nope.

Generally speaking of course...
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Menno

Oct 19, 2009, 1:10 AM
AshDizzle said:
The geniuses at VZW should've thought about these implications before building a national CDMA network that no one else in the world uses.


It's used by quite a few other countries, but it's not the global standard mainly because unlike Europe, cell phone technology wasn't mandated by the government here, so Verizon, sprint, and quite a few regional carriers decided to go with the technology that could better handle heavy traffic.

EU countries (and thus a good chunk of the developing world) were not given the chance to adopt CDMA, and it's their loss. That's like saying a company is stupid for developing DVD's because "Obviously" the global standard is VHS.
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AshDizzle

Oct 19, 2009, 5:56 PM
Your analogy of GSM is to CDMA as VHS is to DVD is the worst pile of trash I have ever laid eyes on.

There benefits of DVDs are clear when comparing to VHS.

When comparing GSM to CDMA, there are benefits to each and not one or the other is so clearly better than the other, or companies wouldn't have adopted them. A DVD is an evolution of VHS. CDMA is NOT an evolution of GSM.
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Menno

Oct 19, 2009, 6:06 PM
Yes it is. Your GSM 3g is a variant of CDMA, GSM died at 2g/edge

CDMA is more efficient at handling bandwidth, offers a more secure connection (aka harder to crack)and gives better/more consistent coverage per tower than GSM. It is the clearly superior technology.

in Europe GSM was government mandated, as it was in several other international locations. These companies did not have the chance to chose what tech they wanted, since they were locked into GSM before CDMA became commercial.


CDMA is not the evolution of GSM, but it is directly superior. For that matter, CD's arn't the evolution of VHS.

So let me put it another way: GSM=LaserDisc CDMA=DVD/HDVD LTE=Blue Ray. Totally different techs, operating a similar medium.
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mellowlen62

Oct 19, 2009, 7:45 PM
AshDizzle doesn't have the brain cells to comprehend what you are saying, though. His brain stops at "waaaaaaaaah I want the iphone."
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AshDizzle

Oct 19, 2009, 8:19 PM
mellowlen62 said:
AshDizzle doesn't have the brain cells to comprehend what you are saying, though. His brain stops at "waaaaaaaaah I want the iphone."


I was going to write a response but you pretty much just take care of everything with that.

I actually prefer BlackBerry, as any phone enthusiast should.
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mellowlen62

Oct 20, 2009, 12:00 PM
Just messin' with you crazy kids. Laughing
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AshDizzle

Oct 19, 2009, 8:18 PM
UMTS/WCDMA uses Code Division instead of Time Division to distinguish between callers on the same cell, but still uses the GSM AMR-WB codec which allows for much clearer calls. GSM also has fixed slots for callers per cell, rather than the variable slots on CDMA which can reduce reception quality as more users connect to a CDMA cell site.

You would all do good to read this:
http://www.arcx.com/sites/CDMAvsTDMA.htm »
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Menno

Oct 19, 2009, 10:47 PM
Yes, you should read that... because in the "final thoughts" it states that GSM carriers will eventually migrate to CDMA, which they already have (you call it WCDMA/HSPDA)
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Azeron

Oct 19, 2009, 11:12 PM
Yes, GSM carriers are sheepish about calling it W-CDMA so they often call it UMTS.
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AshDizzle

Oct 20, 2009, 11:23 AM
It is laughable that you think anyone cares that they have migrated to using code divided slots on cells rather than time division... of course time division is antiquated. The physics of it limit its capabilities. Everyone (who is in the know, probably not so much people on this forum) knows this.

It is not a "dirty little secret", you sound like a child. People refer to it as UMTS to prevent confusion with the terms WCDMA and CDMA. That's it.
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VZW611LA

Oct 20, 2009, 11:27 AM
little boy or girl.

no one is pointing a gun at your head or anything.
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AshDizzle

Oct 20, 2009, 12:28 PM
You make no sense, troll.
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Menno

Oct 20, 2009, 12:38 PM
well if they migrated to CDMA, that makes it superior GSM, doesn't it?
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Azeron

Oct 20, 2009, 6:30 PM
Me thinks thou doth protest too much. If you don't give a s*** why are you responding in my thread which has nothing to do with you? You are the troll. Scram!
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VZW611LA

Oct 19, 2009, 6:09 PM
You're a pile of trash, just like your network. Go away. Laughing
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AshDizzle

Oct 19, 2009, 6:57 PM
My network is great. I'm using a really nice linksys SRX400 secured by WLAN MAC IDs and WPA2 AES encryption.

That's the only network I have.

I hope you enjoy my stay here on the Verizon forums, much like you have plagued the AT&T ones for so long. Until you GTFO the AT&T forums and mind your own goddamn business, I'll be here.
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Menno

Oct 19, 2009, 1:15 AM
See, the Droid is the first phone that they are really targeting at the iphone publically.

A lot of the "iphone comparisons" come from reps or customers.

as I said earlier, comparing the iphone to any other smartphone out there is kinda pointless because the iphone is a multimedia device first and a phone second. WINMO and BBerry are both business devices, phones like the dare, versa, voyager, etc are phones with some cool toys. Android has the potential to be a multi-media powerhouse, so we might finally have a second phone in that category. Unless Motorola pulls a Hail Mary with the Droid, it won't be that phone, but if HTC, or (possibly) LG develop one.. things could be interesting.

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Menno

Oct 19, 2009, 1:17 AM
I meant perfect for me.. other people may hate it. no one phone is the end all for everyone.
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Azeron

Oct 19, 2009, 9:16 AM
Memno is correct. When they train us on overcoming customer objections VZW gives us a list of phones to throw at the customer who has foolishly walked into retail asking if we have the Iphone or called into CS inferring that they are going to cancel and go to AT&T to buy an Iphone.
"What features does the Iphone have that you are looking for?" In sales one has to ask questions like this. One cannot be afraid of rejection or being cursed out (Hey! It happens). Customer: "I want an Iphone! I don't want a *Bleeping* Dare! If I wanted a Dare I would have asked you about a Dare!" Yeah, the VZ Learns make it so easy. he customer always jumps on the chocolate 3 with no push back. Those on the front lines know better. Memno is absol...
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Azeron

Oct 19, 2009, 9:27 AM
Menno, my apologies. I did not mean to butcher your name.
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mellowlen62

Oct 19, 2009, 7:58 PM
I'm sorry but I stand by my statement that a lot of people just want it because it's the IT device.
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Azeron

Oct 19, 2009, 8:16 PM
So? If that is what they want and they are forking out two bills for it then it is really no concern of your why they want it.
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mellowlen62

Oct 20, 2009, 11:59 AM
It isn't my concern at all. But then they should stop harassing Verizon employees and walk the hell to an AT&T store or Apple or wherever the hell you have to go to get one and BUY IT. It's not like it's NOT AVAILABLE. It's just not available on Verizon. BUILD A BRIDGE AND GET OVER IT is all I'm saying.
Really.
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Azeron

Oct 20, 2009, 6:25 PM
Yeah. I took those calls. Usually after resolving a customer's issue they would ask me when we were getting the Iphone. Then I had to go into the spiel about how we had comparable phones (we didn't and still don't). It's not the customer's fault that they want a superior network AND the Iphone. If Verizon ever gets an Iphone, we both know that suddenly the Iphone on the most reliable network is going to be all over info manager. Whatever... If someone with Verizon truly did turn down the Iphone I hope they busted his a** down to middle management, licking envelopes where he belongs. I really hope that is a false rumor. I once had an indirect call in and the customer was right there and I was talking up the Storm (every call is reco...
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epik

Oct 18, 2009, 2:57 PM
I've worked for Verizon for several years. I've seen things that don't make sense. I've seen Verizon drop the ball. I've seen them succeed at several things. I've sat through meetings, team builders, and outright pep rallies tooting our own horn. I've been through trainings that show focus groups listening to former Verizon customer who left for AT&T. I've seen all the internal documents that compare the superiority of just about anything to anything from the competition. Yes, I've experienced a lot in my time as a direct employee of Verizon; some of it good, some of it bad. In all the years, I've kept pretty realistic about my employer while maintaining some level of support for the company that pays me very well.

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jb4056

Oct 18, 2009, 3:30 PM
i agree with you 100%, and i do love my storm too.
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AshDizzle

Oct 18, 2009, 3:57 PM
Not all is dandy on the other side of the fence, I should come here more often.

None of our companies are perfect, but all things considered, it is a truly amazing feat for AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, and Sprint to be able to manage millions and millions of subscribers at once and maintain voice and data services virtuall 100% of the time.

Verizon, you'll have your iPhone some day. AT&T will expand coverage and capacity. Sprint will stop the bleeding and train their CSRs to be more helpful. T-Mobile will grow up to be a real boy. Some day... and what a boring day that will be.
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mellowlen62

Oct 18, 2009, 4:02 PM
But I agree with Menno 100%. And my own comment about the masses... Half the people who want the iphone want it for no other reason than "everyone has it." Typical herd of cattle mentality. The people at my company who have iphones walk around swearing at them all day long. The people with Blackberries? They complain only when BB service is down. And that's my own personal experience where I work. Of course kids or people using them for something other than their professional livelihood probably feel differently. But I really don't see how it's going to make or break Verizon to have the iphone. In some ways I think it has the potential to make Verizon's reputation worse. If someone really wants the iphone, they can sign up for AT&T's a...
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iamajim

Oct 18, 2009, 7:30 PM
All good points, for sure. Menno, as always I look forward to your insights, coming from one who seems to keep a level head on their shoulders and sticks to the facts (somehow these things always seem to become pissing contests). As S1 users (and I've been with Vz since 95 and have 4 lines on my account, 3 of them BB) I must admit to a great deal of frustration regarding the performance of the iphone compared to everything else (my own brother got one for crying out loud) and although I can't stand crApple I admit they make a very nice product. I've worked for a cell phone manufacturer for 4 1/2 years and I know a nice product when I see it. That said I'm currently holding out hope that Vz will get some action on that new HTC HD2 in some...
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crazyeaglefan236

Oct 18, 2009, 11:15 PM
Hey...since we are jumping on a phone bandwagon...how about the Razr. I still get people coming in wanting that POS. LOL.

In all seriousness. I wasn't impressed with my friend's iPhone. Browser was nice. But I use Opera and Bolt in my Storm and it comes through nicely too. I wasn't impressed with the load time of apps. I could get into stuff quicker then he could. But I still will admit the form factor, browser, and UI are nice.

But I also love the look of some of the crap Dodge makes and wouldn't own a Dodge due to their unreliability.
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Azeron

Oct 18, 2009, 11:54 PM
Your negativity toward the Iphone tells me that this thread may not be for you. This thread is for Iphone fans who are clamoring for that most excellent device to come to Verizon in the future. Smile
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Menno

Oct 19, 2009, 1:04 AM
I wouldn't call myself an iphone fan.. I love my touch, but it would KILL me if it was a phone (I use my phone too much to get a touch screen)

I love the browser, and I love itunes for music (mainly the genius playlist) but if the iphone was on verizon.. I dont know if I would have one or not.. I'm really interested in android (HTC's version, no Motorola)

What I REALLY want is an apple netbook.. I am considering getting another macbook sometime next year, and if they came out with a touch screen version.. I would snap it up in a heartbeat. Cool
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mellowlen62

Oct 19, 2009, 7:49 PM
Ditto. I would NOT buy an iphone if it came to Verizon. I am not a fan of touchscreen. I am so tired of people assuming the world will fall apart if Verizon does not get the iphone!! And it's a brilliant device for SOME things. For the things it's lacking, it's horrendous. Waiting or android myself...
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Azeron

Oct 18, 2009, 7:51 PM
No. I REALLY want the Iphone. Just not bad enough to go to AT&T. I'll suffer with my 8330. I have TEC and no plans to upgrade until I can get an Iphone on Verizon LTE.
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Menno

Oct 19, 2009, 12:58 AM
I would want the Iphone for three reasons

1) For people to stop asking me when we'll get it. (this is liking asking your parents "are we there yet" in a car)
2) DAPC.. yeah, this will be easy
3) so we can have a direct comparison.. I think if Verizon got it, it would really show WHY we went with CDMA over the "superior" (read: Old and government mandated (in europe)) standard of GSM.
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cwcanty

Oct 19, 2009, 12:08 PM
Just get an ipod touch man. I have one, and even using that can get annoying. It pretty much sold me on why, atleast for right now, I dont want the iphone.

Chris
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Azeron

Oct 19, 2009, 2:54 PM
Don't get me wrong. I thought about it. I REALLY thought about it just as I thought about porting my lines to AT&T and just dealing with their network. I think both would be horrible ideas. No. I want an Iphone on Verizon. I will just have to wait.
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mellowlen62

Oct 19, 2009, 7:59 PM
Another voice of reason besides Menno....!
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mike1650

Oct 19, 2009, 4:48 PM
Couldn't you add to your title "Iphone" so I won't have to read crap about it? There's room to do so we really don't need the drama of what your confession is.
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gunny

Oct 19, 2009, 6:12 PM
Get over yourself you're not that important. His first sentence said " I want an iphone."
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mike1650

Oct 19, 2009, 6:31 PM
Back off. There was enough room in the title for that sentence and then there would be no reason for me to click on it.
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gunny

Oct 19, 2009, 7:06 PM
Quit being anal you obviously have plenty of free time. Now I made you click again! Laughing
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flip69

Oct 19, 2009, 6:14 PM
I think the new "there's a map for that" commercial kind of ends for now the iphone coming to Verizon. Verizon is playing hardball at this point and that will not help the situation. Apple needs other carriers but they could easily go to T-mobile. Apple also would need a whole new CDMA phone to supply Verizon.
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Azeron

Oct 19, 2009, 6:30 PM
I am not lobbying for a CDMA Iphone. Lowell needs to get an agreement for an LTE version before the LTE network is up and running so that the first device debuted will be the Iphone.
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vzwinagent

Oct 19, 2009, 8:47 PM
Well if it's gonna have voice it better have CDMA.
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Azeron

Oct 19, 2009, 11:03 PM
Yes. Verizon will use its CDMA 2000 1XRTT network to handle voice while it moves its EV-DO customers to LTE. There are other options. Voice over LTE via Generic Access (VoLGA), Mobile VoIP for LTE and IMS Telephony. I support Verizon on CS fallback because it will defeat the government forcing them to allow voice roaming. I do not think those Johnny-come-lately carriers should benefit from Verizon being the first carrier to get LTE up and running. In the case of the Iphone an exception will need to be made, however. If Apple would build the Iphone with a CDMA radio in it then Verizon would already have it. So...all the other handsets yes--CS Fallback. In the case of the Iphone, Apple will only want to make one version for the US and i...
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Menno

Oct 19, 2009, 6:32 PM
Apple going to Tmobile doesn't make sense.

Sprint is a possibility, but doubtful.

"there's a map for that" is attacking ATT saying "why have a phone that does all that on a network that cant do anything."

now, the iDONT campaign is against apple, but you can't tell me that you wouldn't like APPLE to improve some of the faults that commercial raises.
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mellowlen62

Oct 19, 2009, 8:04 PM
...there's the "I just want an iphone because I want an iphone" mentality to which I was speaking. It IS limited, it IS flawed, and people can't seem to wrap themselves around that...!!!!
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