haha true story 🤣

Also..Clear needs cash to keep expanding it's network. That's why they are looking for investors. That doesn't mean they are actually in financial trouble and won't be able to keep operating. At least from what i've read. HUGE difference.

yeah its not really anything about needing money.

You people are high.

Regarding Clear, what part of "ongoing negotiations with multiple partners with cash reserves" and "selling off spectrum assets for cash" do you not get? Those are the hallmarks of a company with insufficient capital and insufficient cash flow to sustain itself.

Regarding Sprint, they are not quite in financial hot water, but they are not healthy either. Stock value has been effectivley flatlined at a measly $4.5/share for so long it's pathetic. They are not profitable. They are pinching pennies on every single front. They can't keep customers. They have been laying off people in droves for a couple of years running now.

Methinks one or more of you are stock pumpers, or corporate kool-aid drinkers, not realists....
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some of what you say is true, sprint actually had a net gain of customers last reporting....but laid off some for financial reasons (vendor centers) and some due to the ericsson move.

If your only basis for saying Sprint is in trouble is their stock price then you really need to do some research yourself. Sprint has more cash on hand & less debt than any other carrier. And while I don't have the numbers sitting in front of me, they were turning a profit the last couple quarters even while losing customers. And on top of that last quarter they gained subscribers. So I'm not really sure how you can say they "aren't healthy."

As far as Clear, yes they are selling spectrum to raise cash. The key there is that they are selling spectrum THEY DONT NEED. They might as well sell it. Everything I've seen has said this is a move to raise money to continue expanding. I could be wrong but I havent read anything to indicate Clear i...
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RARODRIG26: I cited several reasons in addition to stock price. You should read more carefully. If you're too busy to stay up with the industry reports yourself, I'll help you out with a nicely summarized table showing the weak financial and customer positions that Sprint-Nextel and Clear are currently in compared to ATT & Verizon:
http://www.fiercemobilecontent.com/special-reports/g ... »
Sprint-Nextel is doing better, perhaps they have "turned the corner", but compared to the biggies in the industry, they are in a very tenuous position and it would not take much to knock them off the road to recovery. Sprint-Nextel has POTENTIAL to recover, but no one in their right mind would say that they are cur...
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All Sprint has to do to stay healthy is continue to run a CDMA voice network. Eventually, most people on AT&T will figure out that their rural coverage sucks, and that their network drops calls like hotcakes.

I think they already know that. All they care about is their iPhone and how pretty it looks.

ATT layed off 4,600 😲 people and then a few months later layed off 12,000! 😳

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/04/18/att-set-to ... »

http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/stories/2008/12/0 ... »

Verizon layed off more then 16,000! 😳

http://www.removethelabels.com/2009/10/16/verizon-co ... »

Keep hating on Sprint they are the best American owned carrier in the US! And have everything first before Verizon or att. Sprint makes verizon and att a complete rip off and t-mobile look like cricket!

Verizon COMMUNICATIONS laid off people. Verizon WIRELESS lost relatively few people in all that, and mostly through attrition. Read into the article. When did Verizon Wireless have a "residential phone business?" No, that's Verizon Communications laying off people. Thanks.

Verizon Wireless is a subsidiary of Verizon Communications, an American company. Verizon Communications owns 55% of Verizon Wireless. Verizon Wireless is still headquartered and operated in America. Vodafone, the 45% part-owner IS based in the UK, but has relatively little to do with the operation of Verizon Wireless.

Sprint certainly does have it's fair share of exclusive launch phones, but by no means to they have "everything first." That's a ludicrous ass...
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What Kind of Koolaid is Sprint serving? Everyone with Sprint somehow thinks Spring is on the top rung of the industry ladder, but everything I read says they are number 3 at best and a distant 3rd at that? Wow, they have the EVO and the EPIC? Who cares? Apparently nobody is rushing to Sprint to pick up the 2 best phones in the industry. Those 2 rip-off companies only have iPhone and Droid 2/X and still have more customers than Sprint. Why is that? Is Sprint the fastest going cellphone company? Nope.Well, they do have the cheapest plans and no credit check for customers. What ever are they missing that keeps them in 3rd place behind the 2 ripoff companies? Maybe with appealing to the lowest common denominator of customers, they have a bunch o...
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no one was claiming they were better overall boy genius.

Sprints plans better, yup, thats why verizon is piloting a simply everything style plan for $99.99 in TX.

Are our phones better, some of them are, some of them arent. But they are better than what sprint use to carry.

Take AT&T's iphone away, they lose 3 million off the bat 1st 2 weeks.

Verizon is good, but they annouced tiered data even for LTE last week, they are overpriced, their customer service rating is flat or declining and their ETF's went up. (to maintain and prevent churn)

Its not that sprint is leap frogging them, but they are nervous at the rate sprint is gaining momentum. Sprint names the best customer service improvement, not industry wide, nationwide of AL...
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vercetti said:
...they are nervous at the rate sprint is gaining momentum...

Something very troubling in the back of my mind tells me that if McAdam and de la Vega are having any sleepless nights trying to figure out how to make their companies more competitive, Sprint isn't even on the radar.

But,hey- if it makes you feel more relevant, I won't rain on your parade. 😛

just based on independt ratings service, they need to worry. AT&T is horrible, I have family working there, network might as well be tin cans. Worse drop call rate by almost 2 times everyone else, yet they want 4G before they fix 3G

Please provide a link showing Verizon's announced tiered data plans for LTE. Thanks.

http://www.wirelessandmobilenews.com/2010/09/verizon ... »

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/06/18/verizon-wi ... »

http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/27/verizon-looking-a ... »

I hope Verizon lte plans aren't tiered but I wouldn't get my hopes up. So much for lte getting rid of those 5gb data caps!

So far it looks like Sprint will be the only carrier to offer UNLIMITED 4G! 😎

Sorry for the late reply.

These links don't show me what I asked for. I said:

Please provide a link showing Verizon's announced tiered data plans for LTE. Thanks.

The links you provided show me rumors. There is nothing announced. There is no specific tiered data plan mentioned. It's all rumor based on the ramblings of a CEO.

Is there something there? I'm sure. But when I asked for an announced tiered data plan, you gave me articles about rumors based on incomplete and unofficial comments made by someone who - I GUARANTEE YOU - can give you more specific information if he wanted to.

Let's talk more once something has actually been announced.

Wow Sprint may not have the most customers, but they offer best balance between coverage and services. They have better coverage then Verizon in the major cites! They have some of the best voice coverage in the biggest cites in the US! Verizon is the one serving out kool-aid not Sprint! Verizon 3g is spead out thin across the US! Sprints 3g is more dense and reliable! That's why they call em big red cuz you gotta be drinking there kool-aid to pay Verizon a 1500.00 deposit just to get a phone! They got people like you thinking that Verizon doesn't roam on Sprint! And most of Sprint's roaming is from Alltel not Verizon but Verizon bought them out so ofcourse we still get to roam on those alltel towers!

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Well, it's not Sprint I have a problem with. They are a growing company to be sure. What I have a problem with is the mass number of Fanboys on here acting like Sprint has already taken over the world. Right now EVERY carrier has the positives and negatives. Verizon spends 6 billion a year improving their network. AT&T and Verizon spend tons on effective advertising. Sprint give great customer service, something of which Verizon and AT&T can improve on. However, Sprint Fanboys claim they have the best coverage. They don't. Sprint Fanboys claim they have the best phones. Some reports say that's true, but sales show that they aren't the most WANTED phones. And Sprint Fanboys are all excited claiming that Sprint will have the best 4G network. M...
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I work for sprint, and I will give Verizon the network coverage and stability award, they are the bomb, they are a solid company, but they screwed me out of $600 charging me for 2 share plans for 32 months and I only had 2 phones....and would not even correct it let alone credit money.

But AT&T, we have them wooped on network...now sprints biggest network downfall is the 2700MHZ band they use, Iden has some 800MHZ sprint could use for data or voice, that would fix alot of signal degredation in homes and businesses.

ahh seems you had the same issues as me with verizon. how much was the deductible with them? lol a butt load huh?

I've said this once before. If you had two separate family share plans for 32 months, the fault is yours.

If the ESNs on both accounts were the same, they would have fixed it. If they saw no usage on one of the accounts, they would have fixed it.

If you had two accounts and only paid one of them, they would have shut off both accounts once one of them went to collection. You had to have had two accounts in two different names to avoid having both shut off.

And someone doesn't randomly open a second account in someone else's name. A computer error, perhaps. I've seen it once in seven years, so I know it's possible. But it was caught, credited, and fixed within three months of the computer glitch.

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no one ever said they were. and with the devices. they don't rank them testers do and said sprints devices are better. the iphone only did so well because of the hype. even though they announced the huge flaw with it they still released? hmm sounds dumb but whatever. i loved hearing the cust's that were dumb enough to get it to complain about the signal and dropped calls afterwards. solution? a case haha really? that being said at&t will hurt when the iphone isn't just "theres" anymore.


i just hope at&t and verizon will learn they need to drop there prices or else people will drop them in a heartbeat. thats why now... they are finally realizing that. and hopefully put a better number on them deposits for new act's. i know my credit isn'...
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First, learn punctuation, PLEASE! Second, the highest deposit that Verizon has is $400(which you get back after a year of service where you have maintained your payments.)This deposit helps weed out people who tend to not make their payments. These people endup costing the company even more because of collections. Third, NOBODY has complete coverage everywhere, but Verizon does cover more places AND has the fewest dropped calls, even more than Sprint. Forth, Verizon doesn't charge you ANYTHING to change your plan. In fact, they have provided a website for you to manage your account however you want, including suspending your service(in case of lost or stolen phone or traveling) anytime you want. Fifth, just because you are first in something...
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first i don't care about punctuation. second it may well be 400 but mult lines is a diff story. third of all when i had my area checked before i started my plan. cause i drove 40 min's to search the company's to get service verizon seemed best. that was false as all get out. didnt have any coverage where i was. a tracphone worked better and faster. fifth i just said testers ranked sprints devices better thats all i was saying. and verizon isn't the leader no one is really they all have there pros and cons some more than other. and with that faster vehicle what happens if theres potholes and construction what use is the speed of the car? that speed of that car and the quality of the road just flys out the window. sixth just compare the minute...
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That's all he was saying.

yes thats what i was saying.

was that ALL you were saying?

🤨 ummm.... yeah pretty much.

Just needed clarification. I wasn't sure based on the post that it was all you were saying.

He has something else to say.

That's all he was saying.

He said it three times, so we can be confident that it was, indeed, all he was saying.

I have this thing about people who protest too much. Can't trust'em.

What are you trying to say?

That's all he's trying to say.

that he truly has more to say!

That really depends on what you're insinuating.

And just spit it out. People really need to just get it all out. Say it all Already!

That there truly is nothing more to say.

So you say...

If I did, I would be lieing.

It's the one thing I hate more than not saying everything.

I don't even remember what exactly he WAS trying to say.

me neither

ZumiezEastCoast said:i just hope at&t and verizon will learn they need to drop there prices or else people will drop them in a heartbeat...

Sprint has been 20% - 40% less expensive (on smartphones) than AT&T or Verizon for the last three years, and they just barely started to make subscriber gains within the last six months.

On top of that, their subscriber gains aren't from people signing up for the great smartphone plans, they're from cheapskates rolling with prepaid plans!

For all statistical measures, it looks like differentiating by price is not an effective way to build a cellular organization.

I would add that if AT&T was learning this supposed lesson, why did they sell 5.2 million $200 iPhones in the third quarter of this year on $30 data plans on top of all those expensive voice and texting plans?

If AT&T has learned that lesson, they must have sold 10-15 million iPhones each quarter before they were pwned.

I dont know about that, I have ported alot of verizon and a fair amount of AT&T numbers lately, 3 AT&T today.

You ported three from AT&T today? That sounds like a huge exodus to me.

And yet, Sprint has excellent marketing. They lost customer hand over fist for many quarters. They took about a $900 million hit in Q3 of this year alone. If Sprint had nothing by way of marketing, I'd see your point. But Sprint and it's partners have done an excellent job with advertising. Your argument has little weight to it.

And as for the rest of your claim, it sounds to me like you make your own koolaid, my friend.

Sprint is a better value than Verizon and AT&T. They don't have the customer base of the other two but with the exception of the Nextel purchase they built their network rather than buying it.
In most markets Sprint's netrwork is more reliable than Verizon's or AT&T's.

The fact that you state Sprint doesn't require a credit check makes me skeptical of anything else you mention. I work for Sprint and run credit multiple times a day, and a lot of people don't qualify.

Kinda late to the party, but just thought I'd mention it.

DiamondPro said:
Keep hating on Sprint they are the best American owned carrier in the US!

Only when the statistic in question is percentage of employees located overeas

BTW, you missed a few:

Sprint to Lay off More Than 2,000 [Nov 2009]
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/181784 ... »

Update: Sprint to lay off 8,000 by April [Jan 2009]
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9126781/Updat ... »

Sprint Nextel to Lay Off 4000 After Customer Losses [Jan 2008]
http://www.pcworld.com/article/141508/sprint_nextel_ ... »

Sprint Nextel Announces Plan to Lay Off 5,000 [Jan 2007]...
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To be accurate, it seems that Sprint prefers to outsource the cellular jobs a lot, even within the US.

Yes, they lay off their own Sprint corporate call-center employees, and then third-party vendors like my own begin hiring like mad to make up for it.

Yeah, but you're in the Phillipines. I mean, what AMERICAN would make that name?

There are no vowels in Tagalog, despite them needing vowels to spell the word.

This young man debates your belief that Tagalog has no vowels:

https://www.phonescoop.com/account/user.php?id=18927 ... »

So their only usable vowel is an 'A'.

I guess that doesn't help my case any.

and the iden network they will integrate is 800MHZ w00t

Oh, that's why they don't have a data cap? I thought it was because they were a non-profit.

epik said:
Oh, that's why they don't have a data cap? I thought it was because they were a non-profit.

They only have low profits because of the double network cost... but according to Sprint financial numbers this year... Sprint is is in the black and not looking back. Sprints churn is incredibly low as well. They have the two top rated phones in the country as well. The Sprint everyone here is bashing is the Sprint of 2006... this is 2010 almost 2011... times they are a changin....

i guess they never got the memo..... 🙄

Sprint is in the black?
With a total net loss of $2.5 BILLION in the first three quarters of this year, I'm not sure how any company would be considered "in the black."

Some links, for your perusal:

Q1 2010:
http://www.slashgear.com/sprint-report-865-loss-in-q ... »

SlashGear said:
Sprint’s first quarter 2010 financial results are out, and they don’t make for happy reading if you’re a shareholder of the carrier. The company has reported net operating revenues of $8.1 billion, working out to a net loss of $865 million, while it’s still hemorrhaging subscribers too: 75,000 net jumped ship in the three month period.

Q2 2010:
http:...
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Well, that's true but I was actually speaking in terms of churn and subscriber adds... Can you name a carrier that didn't lose money while actively building a new network?

But here's a link for you.

http://col.hanslanda.com/img/haters-gonna-hate.gif »

Actually, you specifically said this:

They only have low profits because of the double network cost... but according to Sprint financial numbers this year... Sprint is is in the black and not looking back. Sprints churn is incredibly low as well. They have the two top rated phones in the country as well. The Sprint everyone here is bashing is the Sprint of 2006... this is 2010 almost 2011... times they are a changin....

Note how you specifically mention profits and financials, and then you specifically mention churn as a separate issue. Sprint's churn isn't incredibly low, by any means.
Q1: 2.15%
Q2: 1.85%
Q3: 1.93%

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epik said:
Actually, you specifically said this:

Note how you specifically mention profits and financials, and then you specifically mention churn as a separate issue. Sprint's churn isn't incredibly low, by any means.
Q1: 2.15%
Q2: 1.85%
Q3: 1.93%

Sure, it's better than the previous year, but 1.85% or higher is not low. Prepay churn was over 5% each quarter, too.

Adds ARE looking up! Good for Sprint on that one. The year before, you couldn't say the same.

ANYTHING less than 2% is extremely low.

ANYTHING less than 1% is extremely low. Anything more than 1.4% is high. Anything higher than 2% stinks to high hell.

epik said:
ANYTHING less than 1% is extremely low. Anything more than 1.4% is high. Anything higher than 2% stinks to high hell.

You must work for Verizon...

That's the best response you have?

Everything we do - all of us - is about the one-up. The business was founded on it, unfortunately.

DiamondPro said:
I begin to question you knowledge when you say that those speeds are overkill.

They are overkill for mobile data connections. I cannot think of a single application requiring over 10 Mbps that anyone actually uses while inside a moving vehicle. Perhaps a film crew streaming a super-HD image from a video camera on-site back to an editing studio for a semi-live broadcast? Almost every local TV news crew already does this, and they do it a whole lot cheaper then a nationwide 4G network ever could.

Couple that with all the research going on to minimize data streams for efficiency (like RIM does) and the construction uber-big wireless pipes ends up being nothing more then spending...
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CellStudent said:


They are overkill for mobile data connections. I cannot think of a single application requiring over 10 Mbps that anyone actually uses while inside a moving vehicle. Perhaps a film crew streaming a super-HD image from a video camera on-site back to an editing studio for a semi-live broadcast? Almost every local TV news crew already does this, and they do it a whole lot cheaper then a nationwide 4G network ever could.

Couple that with all the research going on to minimize data streams for efficiency (like RIM does) and the construction uber-big wireless pipes ends up being nothing more then spending 3x as much money as you needed to and not having a superior product from the standpoint of

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CamelTowing said:
Mr Ascrooge wants to limit mobile data according to his own ideas. 🙄

I fail to see what's un-capitalistic about expecting individuals to pay for what they themselves consume.

Why should my minimal usage of data require me to pay the same monthly rates as users who may consume over 10,000 times more cellular data than I do? My Android drank just over 350 MB last month, because I have WiFi nearly everywhere I go, yet it's nowhere near low enough to consider a baseline 150 MB or 200 MB program.

My monthly statement seems to indicate that I'm being required to subsidize a bunch of punk kids running around the country pumping porn and Pandora out of their pockets perpetually. T...
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"My monthly statement seems to indicate that I'm being required to subsidize a bunch of punk kids running around the country pumping porn and Pandora out of their pockets perpetually."

Wow! You're anti-porn. I would have never guessed.

CellStudent said:


I fail to see what's un-capitalistic about expecting individuals to pay for what they themselves consume.

Why should my minimal usage of data require me to pay the same monthly rates as users who may consume over 10,000 times more cellular data than I do? My Android drank just over 350 MB last month, because I have WiFi nearly everywhere I go, yet it's nowhere near low enough to consider a baseline 150 MB or 200 MB program.

My monthly statement seems to indicate that I'm being required to subsidize a bunch of punk kids running around the country pumping porn and Pandora out of their pockets perpetually. This is not a stable, market-driven economic practice, it's a consequence of an ill-comp

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VZW does have unlimited data via phones...just saying 🙂

And no computer will ever need more than 128k of memory.

AMEN!

🤨

No, not a huge deal. Just one more example in a looooong string of examples of Sprint's ineptitude. Like most losers, trouble just seems to follow Sprint 24/7.

like the 90 million Verizon just had to pay for overcharging customers and ripping them off in data fees? 🤨

$90 million is positively chump change for VZ.

Sprint has had to pay out their own settlements over the years for overcharging customers, it's not like Sprint has always been clean.

Here's Bloomgerg's take on Sprint's being "between a rock and a hard place" with Clearwire's financial troubles:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-11-18/sprint-s-te ... »

Getting back to the original post, I stand by my contention that Sprint's and Clearwire's own internal issues and ineptitide vastly overwhelm any miniscule bit of faint hope for being saved by a POTENTIAL, FUTURE version of WiMax that can THEORETICALLY deliver 330 Mbps under ideal conditions.

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As I am not worried about 330 as we hav eno need for that. Sprint has turned around, just read the jd powers report that we are the most improved cust serv of any company in the nation period, we passed AT&T twice already, we have the #1 & #2 devices from CITEA, and the best rates, 2nd best coverage, near the top for data, we dont charge like verizon for ptn changes, plan changes, blocking ptn's.....there is alot happening now, give a year or two, we will be 3rd still but a strong third

I hope you are right.

And this is where I would insert a 🤣 at the risk of being accused of calling someone an asshole or a bathroom buddy.
You know, 'cause 🤣 means that.

He has it

I can't believe I'm saying this, but for once I agree with you on all points in this remark.

So as long as Sprint continues to offer Wi-Max/CDMA handsets there is no need to switch technologies? Sounds good to me. I want Sprint to succeed in the game.