SPCSVZWJeff said:
I spoke to a Qualcomm employee last week.
Qualcomm plans on bailing WCDMA out and capturing the European market as well.

Well, I should think a bailout is needed with the problems they're having in Europe so far.

Re: PCS Fair & Flexible

by muchdrama May 26, 2004, 4:20 PM



First of all Steve...use spellcheck. It actually works! Secondly, if we're going "off base", you're going WAY off base with your EVDV diatribe. None of us knows exactly when it's set to go live or what kind of data speeds we can immediately expect. And stop badmouthing GSM, it's childish.

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this is a copy from an old message regarding fair and flexable thread

hmmmmm looks like some one was right about when the evolution would be out....

let this be a lesson to you

stevelvl said:
Re: PCS Fair & Flexible

by muchdrama May 26, 2004, 4:20 PM



First of all Steve...use spellcheck. It actually works! Secondly, if we're going "off base", you're going WAY off base with your EVDV diatribe. None of us knows exactly when it's set to go live or what kind of data speeds we can immediately expect. And stop badmouthing GSM, it's childish.

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this is a copy from an old message regarding fair and flexable thread

hmmmmm looks like some one was right about when the evolution would be out....

let this be a lesson to you

Uh, if you read a little more carefully, Jeff works for Verizon, not Sprint. And while he says EVDV will ...
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verizon has not done any large scale testing of ev-dv for now they apear to be focusing more on ev-do and in fact currently offer it on parts of there network

and as to what i origionally said i said the develpers i have talked to with sprint project that ev-dv will be avalible in a year to a year and a half....

in fact portions of the sprint network are already running it. but the evolution will not released untill the entire netwok is compatable and of course they have phones that can run it.

stevelvl said:

and as to what i origionally said i said the develpers i have talked to with sprint project that ev-dv will be avalible in a year to a year and a half....

in fact portions of the sprint network are already running it. but the evolution will not released untill the entire netwok is compatable and of course they have phones that can run it.

Originally. Developers. Available. Until. Compatible. These are all words that COULD have been spelled right had you used the handy spell check editor Rich provides for us. And I don't care if you've spoken to Sprint project "developers". They're "predicting" a roll out time frame.

can we all take a step back and reflect on how delayed sprint's cdma2000 network was? oh yeah, 2 years after the developers and others said it would be commercially available. i was a sales rep for them at the time and heard "it's coming soon" over and over after each announced launch date. i'll believe it's launching when we get an official launch date and it's not canceled 2 weeks before. let's face it, it's easy for the developers to get it out. the hard part is getting sprint to invest the capital in putting it up.

and for jeff's reference to having a leg up on every other carrier, yes, sprint will still be superior, by much much more. however, there still isn't a whole lot of potential customers out there who care. maybe more...
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i really do not think that data really playes a big role in what is appealing to customers. i am sceptical of what ev-dv will do for any carrier i mean they don't even use 1xtrr right now.

in asia sure they would latch onto it in a second but remember that americans are stupid and parnoid. and half of them can't even spell and don't care and some times will miss spell just to annoy people.

but seriously look at how many subscribers cingular had before at&t and they were far from the most advanced.

stevelvl said:
i am sceptical of what ev-dv will do for any carrier i mean they don't even use 1xtrr right now.

but remember that americans are stupid and parnoid. and half of them can't even spell and don't care and some times will miss spell just to annoy people.

Are you reading the same forums as we are? 'Cause last time I checked Sprint, Verizon and a smattering of other CDMA carriers were all using 1XRTT. Ouch on the "stupid American" part, you're liable to get lynched for those remarks. Is that what you do? Misspell every other word just to annoy us? Mission completed!

to clarify on a previous post. i meant to say most people do not even use the vision services sprint offeres. as in the downloads (games applications and that such) and an even smaller amount use the data cards.

i did not mean that other carriers do not use it. i am well aware that 1xtrr is now the industry standard.

there i used your spell check this time.

stevelvl said:
to clarify on a previous post. i meant to say most people do not even use the vision services sprint offeres. as in the downloads (games applications and that such)

I'm willing to bet alot more people than you think take advantage of Sprint's Vision services.

I love it and use it daily. Thank you Sprint for PCS Vision.

What do you mean that you love it and use it daily? Are you sure you are using EV-DV or 1XRTT. If you are using EV-DV where are you using it? Or is it EV-DO? HMMMMM!

Turtleguy said:
What do you mean that you love it and use it daily? Are you sure you are using EV-DV or 1XRTT. If you are using EV-DV where are you using it? Or is it EV-DO? HMMMMM!

Forgot to take your medicine, did you? You'll notice in his post the word "Vision".

you guys crack me up! 😲

stevelvl said:
i really do not think that data really playes a big role in what is appealing to customers.

are you kidding me? people can use their mobiles with their laptop to connect to the internet, right? imagine being able to do that with broadband like capabilities. i'd snatch that up real fast and pay whatever ridiculous price the carrier wanted.

Data makes a huge difference to a growing number of customers, especially as offerings increase. Games and ringtones are also forms of data, and is one one of the fastest growing sectors of wireless. Wireless access to things like AIM and Yahoo! rank high on the lists of many. MapQuest and similar services as well. Data doesn't matter? Check your pulse, Fred Flintstone!

Of course, this is all under the wrong heading, since Sprint is scrapping EV-DV for EV-DO anyways.

Scrapping? No. Just waiting until it is a reality and can be made commercially available. EVDO keeps Sprint competitive with VZW until then.

Seems Sprint spent an awful lot of time and money trying to develop something that wasn't yet a reality. Since the two platforms are similar in so many ways, you would think they would go with what works and develop EV-DV internally, while providing EV-DO. Sprint just gave VZW a HUGE edge in the data market.

That may be true, but VZW is not heading the same direction as Sprint is in data. Sprint is using data as a major reason to choose Sprint over anyone else because it is so darned reasonably priced for what you get. Verizon is using data as kind of a sidebar, just look at Verizon's data offerings.
Sprint also will turn on EVDO everywhere at once instead of the laborious market by market approach. So Verizon's advantage will be local and not network wide.
This is something a company can do when they build their entire network from scratch instead of cobbling together their latest conquest. I'm not throwing stones it is just a reality. Sprint did very well in the first PCS auction and so now already own a license in almost the entire countr...
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From what I've seen, Sprint's network, when you take away affiliate relationships and roaming agreements, is not all that large. A great deal seems to be "cobbled together" as you put it. From the coverage map provided on your company's website, the vast majority of Sprint's coverage is analog, not the "largest all digital network built from the ground up" as advertised. Just about EVERY national carrier has a larger digital presence than Sprint. Facts don't lie, and I assume your coverage map doesn't either.

When I speak of a network being "cobbled" together I am referring to networks like Verizon, Cingular and ATTWS which were all multiple, separate companies with different NOCs and different philosophies of how best to cover a market which were either bought out or merged. This is why they can rollout new upgrades over the entire network at once.

When you consider that Sprint's network was built by them (and their affiliates) to be a cohesive network. There isn't a merger or a buyout in their network. (except when Sprint corporate buys out an affiliate)

As far as coverage is concerned the incumbent cellular companies had a 10 year head start. What Sprint and to some degree T-Mobile have done in the face of established competition is rema...
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Jeff...

You miss my point entirely. Sprint has very little DIGITAL coverage. Your coverage map is primarily Off-net Analog. Take a look at your website's national coverage map. You call that national digital coverage?

Sprint deploys primarily along highways - a "roadrunner" configuration if you will. A HUGE amount of your coverage is not even digital, so how can digital services work so well?

All it takes is eyes to see Sprint is far behind nearly every carrier out there in digital coverage.

Unless you're traveling through one of the areas, OFF the digital map then you will have unsurpassed options and coverage compared to the competition especially once EVDV replaces EVDO!

The difference is coverage by POPS, that is where people are most likely to be. Sprint reps claim that even with the Free and Clear America Roaming option more than 95% of the minutes used by Sprint Customers are used on Sprint's own network. PCS coverage, whether it is by T-Mobile, Sprint, Verizon or Cingular lags behind coverage by the incumbent cellular carriers in any market.
I used to work for U.S. Cellular, who covers anywhere people drive tractors or use chainsaws. Their coverage is awesome. But that was meaningless because most of the towers in outlying areas average less than 10,000 minutes of use per day. Some towers on major highways average less than 5000 minutes of use per day. This usage would be not only by USCC's customers ...
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So your coverage map lies?

Lies in what manner?

Simple... if you look at your coverage map on the Sprint site, all of the medium green is ANALOG OFF-NET ROAMING. The darkest green represents the DIGITAL network Sprint owns.

Look closer at the website, it breaks down not only the analog areas, but the digital off-network areas as well. Just because it is "off network" doesn't mean it is analog. That is like saying that if it is not on Cingular's network it requires a GAIT phone. We both know that is not true because there are 2 othe large GSM carriers to roam on. Isn't it possible that Sprint customers can use the CDMA coverage that Verizon, USCC, Alltel and others offer?

Sprint has the most coverage by POPS in the industry. Coverage by POPS is coverage where people work and live. It is coverage where people are most likely to use their phone. It is not perfect. I live in the coverage challenged Northwest and have never made a roaming call on Sprint in two y...
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I know what you are saying, Jeff... the main concern I have is that the map makes it look like the majority of the map IS analog off net.

While Sprint may have the greatest number of POPs, what is the ratio of digital/analog in the number of POPs?

filabeaner said:
can we all take a step back and reflect on how delayed sprint's cdma2000 network was? oh yeah, 2 years after the developers and others said it would be commercially available. i was a sales rep for them at the time and heard "it's coming soon" over and over after each announced launch date. i'll believe it's launching when we get an official launch date and it's not canceled 2 weeks before. let's face it, it's easy for the developers to get it out. the hard part is getting sprint to invest the capital in putting it up.

and for jeff's reference to having a leg up on every other carrier, yes, sprint will still be superior, by much much more. however, there still isn't a whole lot of potential cust

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muchdrama said:
And as for your speculation on the release or roll-out of EVDV, I think you're dead on...but I don't think it'll be as bad as CDMA2000.

for this forum's sake, lets hope it isn't as bad. this could go on debated for months at a time until it does come out.

filabeaner said:

muchdrama said:
And as for your speculation on the release or roll-out of EVDV, I think you're dead on...but I don't think it'll be as bad as CDMA2000.

for this forum's sake, lets hope it isn't as bad. this could go on debated for months at a time until it does come out.

Aw, c'mon, admit it...this is what us posters live for. Debate.

yeah, but it can get old and redundant sometimes.

Alright now look, EVDV will be out much sooner then anticipated. I just can't give specifics. Just sit back and watch what happens to the wireless world before the end of the year.

Turtleguy said:
Alright now look, EVDV will be out much sooner then anticipated. I just can't give specifics. Just sit back and watch what happens to the wireless world before the end of the year.

EVDV will NOT be out before the end of the year.

Very true among the 30 somethings and up. This segment resists text messaging, wireless internet, picture messaging and the like.

Companies like T-Mobile and Cingular have been successful in marketing to the sub 30 age bracket with phones with cool features. Their network doesn't have the horsepower yet to use the features effectively but they have been very successful with them.

The success of EVDV will be in how the phones interact with the user. Will the user still be forced to push the 2 key three times to get a letter c or 7 times to get an uppercase or lower case c?

Someone else will eat the lunch Sprint packed if they don't insist on phones that use data features smoothly and easily.

PDA phones the size of a Sanyo 8200 ...
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talked to a sanyo big wig yester day he said no chance on getting any of the sanyo pocket pcs any time soon 😢

SPCSVZWJeff said:


People who are 40 something like me can't be bothered with text messaging because it is too much of a pain to use.

I'm finding that as I get older I'm getting more and more fed up with text messaging as well. And you're right about having to push a button 7 times to get a capital...that drives me schizo.

Ha! Nokia once again proves it's worth.

I can get a capital c with only 5 button presses!

* Swich to all numbers
* Switch to all caps
2 A
2 B
2 C

Buahahahaha!

VZWCustServ said:
Ha! Nokia once again proves it's worth.

I can get a capital c with only 5 button presses!

* Swich to all numbers
* Switch to all caps
2 A
2 B
2 C

Buahahahaha!

We'd LOVE your spiffy Nokia over here at Verizon.

VZWCustServ said:
He's right. We want star-trek NOW!

I feel bad for my proffession when video phones become standard. Right now you don't have to be good-looking to be in Customer Service... the CSR's of the futur will be able to write off plastic and cosmetic surgery as a busness expense...

Whoa! I hadn't thought about that one.

cripes, i won't be able to talk smack about customers under my breath anymore