Nokia 6255i on Sprint PCS...
Is this phone coming to Sprint PCS or Verizon? Can an unlocked version be activated on Sprint?
Thanks in advance...
Thanks in advance...
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2 things...
first, i PRAY that it would be coming to SPCS...i am on a Sprint contract right now, and i am looking for a new phone...i currently have a Nok 6225 and it has everything that i want and nothing that i dont except for a few things, outlined below...
second, i have a personal problem with people asking about "unlocked phones" in CDMA forums, and i want to take this opportunity to voice my frustration...no offense is meant by these comments toward anyone who asks these types of questions...just please stop. when it comes to CDMA, the term "unlocked" simply doesn't apply. on CDMA networks, phone handsets are registered on the network by the manufacturer before any customer ever touches them, and therefore any phone that can be ...
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first, i PRAY that it would be coming to SPCS...i am on a Sprint contract right now, and i am looking for a new phone...i currently have a Nok 6225 and it has everything that i want and nothing that i dont except for a few things, outlined below...
second, i have a personal problem with people asking about "unlocked phones" in CDMA forums, and i want to take this opportunity to voice my frustration...no offense is meant by these comments toward anyone who asks these types of questions...just please stop. when it comes to CDMA, the term "unlocked" simply doesn't apply. on CDMA networks, phone handsets are registered on the network by the manufacturer before any customer ever touches them, and therefore any phone that can be ...
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therefore any phone that can be used on SPCS, can ONLY EVER be used on the SPCS network.
I believe you are mistaken - the ESN associated with phones is not carrier specific - but phone specific.
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Yes captain, you extensive knowledge of the wireless industry has once again showed your incompetence.
He is correct, CDMA handsets cannot be used cross-carrier by their very nature.
Only GSM handsets are able to be used acorss different provider networks, so long as the frequency is correct for the network chosen.
He is correct, CDMA handsets cannot be used cross-carrier by their very nature.
Only GSM handsets are able to be used acorss different provider networks, so long as the frequency is correct for the network chosen.
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Funny - I thought I prefaced my response with "I believe".
I didn't respond as though I knew the correct and only answer - as you have done before - only to be proven wrong later and look foolish because I was so adamament I was correct.
What is the reason they cannot? I seriously doubt that it a hardware issue - but more a company enacted policy. Probably another example of how corporations prevent technological progress to keep revenues up.
I didn't respond as though I knew the correct and only answer - as you have done before - only to be proven wrong later and look foolish because I was so adamament I was correct.
What is the reason they cannot? I seriously doubt that it a hardware issue - but more a company enacted policy. Probably another example of how corporations prevent technological progress to keep revenues up.
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I can hear the reverse horn from here. You sound like a giant trash truck with all that backing up.
I have no problem admitting mistakes, and I have done so a couple times here. You, on the otherhand, made a false statement and still has not said you were wrong. You aren't even in the industry yet you feel the need to come here and tell others what is and is not correct. My answers are based on my education and experience in this industry.
And BTW, someone already answered your final question there.
When are you going to start that Wal-Mart debate thread?
I have no problem admitting mistakes, and I have done so a couple times here. You, on the otherhand, made a false statement and still has not said you were wrong. You aren't even in the industry yet you feel the need to come here and tell others what is and is not correct. My answers are based on my education and experience in this industry.
And BTW, someone already answered your final question there.
When are you going to start that Wal-Mart debate thread?
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Reverse horn? I think not...
Texaswireless - your inability to apply critical thinking skills and propensity to assume that just cause things are not commonly done, means they can not be done and propensity to avoid the topic at hand - in short - is simply astounding and most disheartening. Though I am not surprised - when considering your other posts, willingness to adhere to dogma.
This statement - suggests to me that this is due to the ESN number. Which according to the glossary is a unique, unchangeable 32-bit b...
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Texaswireless - your inability to apply critical thinking skills and propensity to assume that just cause things are not commonly done, means they can not be done and propensity to avoid the topic at hand - in short - is simply astounding and most disheartening. Though I am not surprised - when considering your other posts, willingness to adhere to dogma.
when it comes to CDMA, the term "unlocked" simply doesn't apply. on CDMA networks, phone
handsets are registered on the network by the manufacturer before any customer ever touches
them
This statement - suggests to me that this is due to the ESN number. Which according to the glossary is a unique, unchangeable 32-bit b...
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I haven't, intentionally, offered any of my opinions on Wal-Mart. I told you to start a new thread if you would like to hear them.
You can't play a DVD in a CD only player. Is is because the industry chooses this or is it because it is not technically possible?
You can't (and shouldn't) put diesel in a automobile that uses only unleaded gasoline.
You can't activate a CDMA handset on an alternate providers network due to the inherent nature of CDMA products. CDMA is not an open technology at this time and all products must be licensed by Qualcomm. I have actually attended the Qualcomm technology school on CDMA devices. Have you?
Can you do all of the above things? Sure. Will things work as designed? No. Can't isn't ugly i...
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You can't play a DVD in a CD only player. Is is because the industry chooses this or is it because it is not technically possible?
You can't (and shouldn't) put diesel in a automobile that uses only unleaded gasoline.
You can't activate a CDMA handset on an alternate providers network due to the inherent nature of CDMA products. CDMA is not an open technology at this time and all products must be licensed by Qualcomm. I have actually attended the Qualcomm technology school on CDMA devices. Have you?
Can you do all of the above things? Sure. Will things work as designed? No. Can't isn't ugly i...
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actually it is possabloe to take a sprint phone and activate it on another cdma network. people have done this before. they have taken there sprint phone and called in to verizon and had there sprint phone activated on verizon
all you need is the msl and a carrier who will allow you to provide any esn for them. sprint usedc to have a hotline that the employees could call in and get the msl for any sprint phone however to many people were doing that so they could take there sprint phone to verizon so sprint deactivated the msl hotline. any one who has worked with sprint more then 2 years knows this.
now will the phone function properly? probubly not. it will need to have proper prl loaded and in most cases only voice will work on the ...
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all you need is the msl and a carrier who will allow you to provide any esn for them. sprint usedc to have a hotline that the employees could call in and get the msl for any sprint phone however to many people were doing that so they could take there sprint phone to verizon so sprint deactivated the msl hotline. any one who has worked with sprint more then 2 years knows this.
now will the phone function properly? probubly not. it will need to have proper prl loaded and in most cases only voice will work on the ...
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stevelvl said:
now will the phone function properly? probubly not.
Like I said...
Will Tiger work on a Dell PC? Could you try?
You can always try anything...
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That is your response to a post from someone other then me - that corroborates exactly what I have been saying?
Comparing apples and oranges again - how comical your thought process is.
An analogy for you: CDMA is to Tiger, as GSM is to Dell.
Therefore - in this case - the technologies are different and would not work across platforms.
The analogy you are unable to produce is: CDMA is to Carrier A, as CDMA is to Carrier B.
Therefore - in this case - the technologies are the same and should work across platforms.
I am intriqued - the "training" you continue to bring up and herald as an asset seems to fall incredibly short in regards to this matter. I wonder why.
Comparing apples and oranges again - how comical your thought process is.
An analogy for you: CDMA is to Tiger, as GSM is to Dell.
Therefore - in this case - the technologies are different and would not work across platforms.
The analogy you are unable to produce is: CDMA is to Carrier A, as CDMA is to Carrier B.
Therefore - in this case - the technologies are the same and should work across platforms.
I am intriqued - the "training" you continue to bring up and herald as an asset seems to fall incredibly short in regards to this matter. I wonder why.
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Not going to get into it with you pooky bear. I stand on my previous post. Anyone who has ACTUALLY (and the phone works) done this please feel free to post.
Pooky bear, you aren't worth it.
Pooky bear, you aren't worth it.
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And lastly, did you even read the thread you referenced? It is from an unknown someone who has no idea if the process mentioned actually works. You used that as proof to counter my information?
I will address this statement first - as the irony it presents - is most humorous of all. Had you chosen to read the thread yourself - instead of discounting it as invalid - you would have seen the following statement.
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I work for verizon Customer service - I have actually activated sprint phones under our network - as to the extent of use that the phone will provide the user under our network, I do not know - Sorry that I can not give information on how it is done ( m
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You took a statement from some unknown who says it may work but he doesn't know how well.
I read the thread, including corresponding links in siad thread that went to the
Sprint users website and forum where those discussions continued.
Arguments with you are pointless so I will let others decide. If anyone has ever activated a sprint phone on a verizon plan AND it worked please let us know. Continued posts of "I heard it can be done but not sure if it worked" are not actual proof.
I read the thread, including corresponding links in siad thread that went to the
Sprint users website and forum where those discussions continued.
Arguments with you are pointless so I will let others decide. If anyone has ever activated a sprint phone on a verizon plan AND it worked please let us know. Continued posts of "I heard it can be done but not sure if it worked" are not actual proof.
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Haha! I knew you were going to break out the double-standard. Are you sure that reverse horn you were hearing was not your own 🤣
You say "trust me" in regards to downloading games - and also in this case refuse to cite any source that corroborates the statements that you have made.
Here - I have posted links that corroborate my statements - as well as Steve - and you have the audacity to challenge the integrity of that information?
Let me get this straight - people should trust you - some unknown Cingular rep - yet people should not trust the statements of a Verizon rep who is also unknown. Paradoxical to say the least.
Seeing as you obviously did not see the statement I quoted earlier - I must also assume that your stat...
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You say "trust me" in regards to downloading games - and also in this case refuse to cite any source that corroborates the statements that you have made.
Here - I have posted links that corroborate my statements - as well as Steve - and you have the audacity to challenge the integrity of that information?
Let me get this straight - people should trust you - some unknown Cingular rep - yet people should not trust the statements of a Verizon rep who is also unknown. Paradoxical to say the least.
Seeing as you obviously did not see the statement I quoted earlier - I must also assume that your stat...
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I have the proof for the charges and invited boob, as well as you, to visit my store to view such information.
And as for your "proof", a post that someone made that clearly says THEY DON'T KNOW if it works is not proof.
If someone wants to post that they have done it and have seen that it works then great. No one has as of yet.
Thanks for the laughter lapdog.
And as for your "proof", a post that someone made that clearly says THEY DON'T KNOW if it works is not proof.
If someone wants to post that they have done it and have seen that it works then great. No one has as of yet.
Thanks for the laughter lapdog.
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I work for verizon Customer service - I have actually activated sprint phones under our network
Where do you ascertain that they do not know if it works in that statement?
Btw - your lapdog statement is quite humorous and ironic - especially considering the source of the statement.
ENJOY YOUR KOOL-AID - TOO BAD YOU DIDN'T GET A CUP FROM MARSHAL APPLEWHITE
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Who did you quote (nice of you to leave that out)?
If you quoted that steve guy, you conviently left out the fact that he also says
If you quoted that steve guy, you conviently left out the fact that he also says
stevelvl said:
now will the phone function properly? probubly not.
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texaswireless said:
If anyone has ever activated a sprint phone on a verizon plan AND it worked please let us know. Continued posts of "I heard it can be done but not sure if it worked" are not actual proof.
I have seen multiple Sprint Treo 650's activated on Verizon accounts, with both data and voice functionality. There were many Verizon users who wanted this device since Sprint released it in November and Verizon only released it last month -- many of them bought Sprint 650's and activated them without problem. The voice part poses no problem in activation -- the data requires a little bit of software tampering.
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Thank you for your contribution!
My visualations.
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CaptainPlooky 🤣
Homestar Runner 🙄
My visualations.
Texaswireless 🤭
CaptainPlooky 🤣
Homestar Runner 🙄
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Oh grow up. You really are a child.
Thanks homer. That makes sense, since PalmOne software is able to be manipulated (hacked) to change intregral system settings unlike standard handsets.
Thanks for your answer and information.
Thanks homer. That makes sense, since PalmOne software is able to be manipulated (hacked) to change intregral system settings unlike standard handsets.
Thanks for your answer and information.
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texaswireless
Yes captain, you extensive knowledge of the wireless industry has once again showed your incompetence.
So - with all your training - and after being incorrect - what does this show about you?
texaswireless
I have no problem admitting mistakes, and I have done so a couple times here. You, on the otherhand, made a false statement and still has not said you were wrong.
Apparently you do have a problem with it. You were wrong. I made that clear - yet you protested and continued to impune my claims.
texaswireless
My answers are based on my education and experience in this industry.
Obviously - neither of whi...
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captainplooky said:...texaswireless
Yes captain, you extensive knowledge of the wireless industry has once again showed your incompetence.
So - with all your training - and after being incorrect - what does this show about you?texaswireless
I have no problem admitting mistakes, and I have done so a couple times here. You, on the otherhand, made a false statement and still has not said you were wrong.
Apparently you do have a problem with it. You were wrong. I made that clear - yet you protested and continued to impune my claims.texaswireless
My answers are based on my education and experience in this industry.
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Did you want me to read topic number 2? If so, topic number 2 says "phones compatible with our network". It does not say all CDMA phones will work on their network.
I have no problem believing TREO handsets can be used cross carrier. The basic software can easily be manipulated for those in the known. Can you walk in with a TREO designed for Sprint and use it on Verizon, NO!
Pooky Bear, you are like a child you stole the toy of another at day care and is now running around in his diaper chanting a war cry.
I made a couple calls just to see if I was being foolish and incorrect. I spoke to the store manager of the Alamosa PCS (Sprint) corporate headquarters here in Lubbock. They CANNOT activate Verizon handsets and CANNOT activa...
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I have no problem believing TREO handsets can be used cross carrier. The basic software can easily be manipulated for those in the known. Can you walk in with a TREO designed for Sprint and use it on Verizon, NO!
Pooky Bear, you are like a child you stole the toy of another at day care and is now running around in his diaper chanting a war cry.
I made a couple calls just to see if I was being foolish and incorrect. I spoke to the store manager of the Alamosa PCS (Sprint) corporate headquarters here in Lubbock. They CANNOT activate Verizon handsets and CANNOT activa...
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Did you want me to read topic number 2? If so, topic number 2 says "phones compatible with our network". It does not say all CDMA phones will work on their network.
I have no problem believing TREO handsets can be used cross carrier. The basic software can easily be manipulated for those in the known. Can you walk in with a TREO designed for Sprint and use it on Verizon, NO!
Pooky Bear, you are like a child you stole the toy of another at day care and is now running around in his diaper chanting a war cry.
I made a couple calls just to see if I was being foolish and incorrect. I spoke to the store manager of the Alamosa PCS (Sprint) corporate headquarters here in Lubbock. They CANNOT act
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Al_Swearengen said:...texaswireless said:
Did you want me to read topic number 2? If so, topic number 2 says "phones compatible with our network". It does not say all CDMA phones will work on their network.
I have no problem believing TREO handsets can be used cross carrier. The basic software can easily be manipulated for those in the known. Can you walk in with a TREO designed for Sprint and use it on Verizon, NO!
Pooky Bear, you are like a child you stole the toy of another at day care and is now running around in his diaper chanting a war cry.
I made a couple calls just to see if I was being foolish and incorrect. I spoke to the store manager of the Alamosa PCS (Sprint) corporate headqu
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If it can be done...
Great.
I just know many customers have issues based on managers working in those stores.
Great.
I just know many customers have issues based on managers working in those stores.
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Aarynk said:
I work at VZW and have had customers come in with WORKING sprint phones on VZW network!!! The data was the only thing that didn't. Those customers only wanted the voice. It CAN be done you just have to go through tech support, and get the unlock code from Sprint which is hard to do but it will work
How do you get an unlock code from Sprint? I used to work for them, and I had a cust ask for it, and I thought he was smoking crack.
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oh you talked to some bigwiggs at alamosa pcs! 😳
what you failed to hear is the reason why you cannoit activate a verizon or cel1 or altel phone on the sprint network. sprint does not allow it. sprint only alowes handsets in which the esn is already in there data baise. this is so sprint can maintain maximum stabillity on there network.
all one really needs to activate a sprint phone on verizon is the msl. once they program the handset they can place a call that will load the correct prl from verizon into there handset. this is fairly easy because all the cdma phones produced these days are all capable of prl ota. do this and voice will work fine. but some one who is highly trained by qualicom like oyur self should be well aware of th...
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what you failed to hear is the reason why you cannoit activate a verizon or cel1 or altel phone on the sprint network. sprint does not allow it. sprint only alowes handsets in which the esn is already in there data baise. this is so sprint can maintain maximum stabillity on there network.
all one really needs to activate a sprint phone on verizon is the msl. once they program the handset they can place a call that will load the correct prl from verizon into there handset. this is fairly easy because all the cdma phones produced these days are all capable of prl ota. do this and voice will work fine. but some one who is highly trained by qualicom like oyur self should be well aware of th...
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Alamosa can do whatever they like independent of Sprint.
I appreciate your input and my challenge is still open. I have several working Kyocera CDMA handsets here due to be recycled. I will simply ship one to pooky bear and let him walk into a Verizon store. I want him to activate it and see if it works. They can activate him and deact him within 3 days and he will only pay a few cents for this experiment.
Does he have the sack?
I appreciate your input and my challenge is still open. I have several working Kyocera CDMA handsets here due to be recycled. I will simply ship one to pooky bear and let him walk into a Verizon store. I want him to activate it and see if it works. They can activate him and deact him within 3 days and he will only pay a few cents for this experiment.
Does he have the sack?
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Funny stuff.
You say it can't be done - when it clearly can.
You ask for others input on the matter - which you receive - yet still question it because it is contrary to your viewpoint.
Now you question my manliness (despite not even knowing if I am a man) by making an offer that will only continue to substantiate the truth. no doubt - you will question the results of that as well.
Kudos on your unwaivering stance on denying facts simply because you are unwilling to accept the fact that you are wrong.
On a side note - are you a scientologist?
You say it can't be done - when it clearly can.
You ask for others input on the matter - which you receive - yet still question it because it is contrary to your viewpoint.
Now you question my manliness (despite not even knowing if I am a man) by making an offer that will only continue to substantiate the truth. no doubt - you will question the results of that as well.
Kudos on your unwaivering stance on denying facts simply because you are unwilling to accept the fact that you are wrong.
On a side note - are you a scientologist?
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Sigh - Independentjoe - haven't we talked before about deactivating cookies.
That last post is mine - not Joe's.
That last post is mine - not Joe's.
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**** or get off the pot joe, pooky bear or whatever name you happen to be using at this point in time.
I don't have a Verizon store here locally so I cannot do the test myself.
If it will prove your point as you say then why not let me give you a phone to try it with?
I don't have a Verizon store here locally so I cannot do the test myself.
If it will prove your point as you say then why not let me give you a phone to try it with?
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Simply put - because if you want to believe something that is untrue - despite having substantial evidence to the contrary - then I do not believe anything I say in regards to the mater will affect your dogma.
Nor do I care. Your stupidity regarding this matter has been clearly evidenced.
Nor do I care. Your stupidity regarding this matter has been clearly evidenced.
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Is it your contention that Stevelvl and Homestar Runner are lying then?
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No, but both of them said they cannot vouch for how well it will work. If someone says to me it can be done but they are unsure if it will work properly then that is not 100% proof as you state.
I also verified with both CDMA carriers in my market and neither has been able to activate handsets with the other (or out of market Verizon handsets, they get those often since Texas Tech pulls students from all around Texas) and had them work properly. They have billing and roaming issues because the handset does not pick up the proper carrier if they can actually get it to work via voice (as steve contended voice will work).
Now, if you want to take that as they will work, fine. Your definition of working is quite unique and I guarantee m...
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I also verified with both CDMA carriers in my market and neither has been able to activate handsets with the other (or out of market Verizon handsets, they get those often since Texas Tech pulls students from all around Texas) and had them work properly. They have billing and roaming issues because the handset does not pick up the proper carrier if they can actually get it to work via voice (as steve contended voice will work).
Now, if you want to take that as they will work, fine. Your definition of working is quite unique and I guarantee m...
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I also verified with both CDMA carriers in my market....
Sprint uses a closed ESN database as was already mentioned - asking them was pointless.
I will concede that if your argument is qualified on the basis the phone should work 100% on a network in order to be considered valid - that - that is not an unreasonable argument.
The fact that even one CDMA phone is capable of working cross-carrier (Treo) demonstrates that it is possible and that the limitations on using a phone cross-carrier are most likely due to the wireless carriers - and not the technology. For example, Sprint and their closed ESN database.
While I understand that companies do and conduct business in distinct ways - there is informa...
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Thank you.
I think the limitations rest on the shoulders of Qualcomm though. GSM is inherently easier to use cross carrier than CDMA. Since CDMA was designed by Qualcomm and the software used to drive the unit also by Qualcomm is would make sense they could have designed it so a base software drives the unit and carrier software could simply be programmed into the unit.
Do you just want to say we were both right, and both wrong?
I think the limitations rest on the shoulders of Qualcomm though. GSM is inherently easier to use cross carrier than CDMA. Since CDMA was designed by Qualcomm and the software used to drive the unit also by Qualcomm is would make sense they could have designed it so a base software drives the unit and carrier software could simply be programmed into the unit.
Do you just want to say we were both right, and both wrong?
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Let us just agree to disagree for now 😁
We have commonground - but stark differences.
We have commonground - but stark differences.
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texaswireless said:
Yes captain, you extensive knowledge of the wireless industry has once again showed your incompetence.
He is correct, CDMA handsets cannot be used cross-carrier by their very nature.
Only GSM handsets are able to be used acorss different provider networks, so long as the frequency is correct for the network chosen.
That is not correct. Although most CDMA carriers are starting to retract it, I know that Verizon, for one, would activate any CDMA phone that could detect their network. Data and multimedia services might not function, but voice would. As long as one could obtain the MSL (I think other codes were necessary, too), it could be done. I believe Bell Mobility in Canada i...
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sigmamason said:
Is this phone coming to Sprint PCS or Verizon? Can an unlocked version be activated on Sprint?
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As far as I know, it'll be coming to Verizon. I've had a chance to use it on metroPCS's network down in South Florida, and it's a beaut!
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Can I use an existing phone with Verizon Wireless service?
We can activate your existing phone provided it is compatible with our CDMA (Code Division Multiple Access) digital network.
Although a wireless phone may be compatible with our network, we cannot guarantee the equipment's performance nor can we honor the manufacturer's warranty on wireless phones not purchased through Verizon Wireless or its authorized agents.
If you are not sure if your handset is compatible, please call our Verizon Wireless Sales Department at 800-2-JOIN-IN (256-4646), or visit one of our Verizon Wireless stores.
If your handset is not
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Do you think an existing CDMA phone is only available from a different carrier? How do you think this is indisputable proof?
You must have failed geometry since you have no idea how to forumulate a proof.
You must have failed geometry since you have no idea how to forumulate a proof.
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Better yet. Give me an address (you can even give me the address of the local UPS store and I will send it attention pooky bear, since you probably are too scared to send me a real address). If you live near a Verizon store I will send you a CDMA handset from Cellular One. Walk in and see if they can activate it for you.
Put your money where your mouth is smart guy. I'll provide the phone, you provide the sack.
Put your money where your mouth is smart guy. I'll provide the phone, you provide the sack.
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I have a 6255i for Cellular One, provided to me by Nokia, for difficulties with the 3589 for VZW, It was "locked" I called Cellular One explained to them, and was provided an " unlock code" which upon entering allowed me to access the programming and chnage the info for my number, inlcuding the SID and NID,uses VZW online I changed my own ESN assigned to the account then after changing the MSL to all zero's( a verizon requirement" to download a new PRL via *228.......phone works fine, can send and receive sms, it doesn't do "GET IT NOW" because Cellular One usews a dif prog.but thats what I have uncrippled bluetooth for....
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no i changed the esn assigned to my cellular number fron my old phone to the esn of my new nokia 6255i
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I was hired on a consultant for a company who had done this.
They purchased the phones with Sprint and after the initial contract expired they switched to Verizon who was offering them a better deal.
They had no issues and where able to use the phones with full functionality.
They purchased the phones with Sprint and after the initial contract expired they switched to Verizon who was offering them a better deal.
They had no issues and where able to use the phones with full functionality.
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