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Verizon Says Locked Bootloaders Better for the Network

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It's like my laptop and the cable company...

tjobrien21

Mar 1, 2012, 1:06 PM
I don't see where this is any different than the concept of my laptop and the cable company.

Example:

The key point here is ownership. I own my laptop, and can do whatever I want with it. Use it with Windows, or Linux, or throw it in the pool if I see fit. It's my property, and I have complete physical and logical access to it. I do NOT, however, have the same access to Comcast's cable data system - because THEY own it. I'm just a subscriber, and they provide a data hose. But Comcast knows they can't take away admin or root access on my computers, because it's not theirs to do it.

Same with the cell phone. It's mine; I paid for it. I can use it as is, mod it, or prop up an uneven table leg with it. I can't legally hack or change Ve...
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T Bone

Mar 1, 2012, 2:10 PM
The difference is that you don't get your laptop from your ISP, and your laptop doesn't have ISP branding or run software created by the ISP.


The thing is, when you buy carrier equipment, you don't really own it, you are basically just borrowing it from the carrier. That's something that people don't want to hear, but it's true.


The solution is to not buy carrier equipment, buy only unlocked, carrier unbranded phones at full retail price.
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mycool

Mar 1, 2012, 2:54 PM
T Bone said:
The difference is that you don't get your laptop from your ISP, and your laptop doesn't have ISP branding or run software created by the ISP.


So, if I purchase a Sony laptop (obviously branded), and it comes preloaded with Sony software (which they often do), then I should come to expect that I can't format my hard drive and load in alternative operating systems?

T Bone said:
The thing is, when you buy carrier equipment, you don't really own it, you are basically just borrowing it from the carrier. That's something that people don't want to hear, but it's true.


You are very wrong on this one. The equipment is not being rented out. It does not belong to th...
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GettingSleepy

Mar 1, 2012, 5:52 PM
With Verizon at least, the customer does own the equipment, they're just getting a subsidized cost. That's why Verizon offers a trade in program for the customers old phones instead of just asking for them back, and why your monthly bill is the same whether you get a 2 year our not.
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JBlaze74

Mar 1, 2012, 6:53 PM
Ok, let's be clear about one thing. You do, in fact, own the phone. The benefit to an outright purchase verus a 2 year contract with a reduced price is the early termination fee. The loss the company takes on the two year agreement price is, to a point, integrated into the monthly bill, which is why the early termination fee exists to offset the price reduction. As far as Verizon limiting access on unlocked phones, they do own the network and can choose how to limit access. Is it right or fair? Can't be sure without actual evidence. VZW needs to document, with hard facts, the potential damage to their network.
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GettingSleepy

Mar 1, 2012, 7:48 PM
Don't get me wrong, I wish the bootloader of my RAZR MAXX was unlocked and that I didn't have to bootstrap to ROM it, and I wish more of my customers were rooted with titanium backup or a nandroid backup so they didn't lose anything when I've had to wipe/replace their phones. I'm just saying we own the phones not Verizon. And yes they and Motorola should not loco the bootloaders.
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evrodude

Mar 3, 2012, 10:04 AM
Switch to HTC Rezound. HTC provides unlock directions on their web site. Motorola Droid RAZR and Dropid RAZR Maxx suck because the battery is sealed inside and is not user replaceable.
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GettingSleepy

Mar 3, 2012, 10:35 AM
My RAZR MAXX is rooted already just not ROMed, although with Go Launcher and Go Locker I've been able to set up my phone the way I like it. I went with the MAXX over the Resound for the speaker quality, the thinness of the phone with such a huge battery, the solid, sturdy feel of the phone, and the HDMI output. I was very close to going with the Resound for is better camera and higher resolution screen but that want enough.
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evrodude

Mar 3, 2012, 1:18 PM
I picked the ability to replace the battery at will as well as the faster CPU of the Rezound over the Motorola. But to each their own... Smile
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