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Nokia Siemens' 'Multiflow' for HSPA+ Lets Phones Talk to 2 Cells

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keithfrombm

Feb 20, 2012, 1:20 PM
Is that, instead of trying to concoct a scheme to create a monopoly (while punishing and insulting their most loyal customers) AT&T and T-Mobile should've spent some time actually working on their network. A simple software solution? Just goes to show, AT&T is once again wrong: it's not simply a need for more bandwidth that's lacking in their network: it's innovation.
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the_1st

Feb 20, 2012, 1:49 PM
The "simple software solution" was just announced today. How does that show that anyone is wrong?
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keithfrombm

Feb 20, 2012, 3:09 PM
They were wrong, because with a "simple software upgrade" at the tower level, the capacity of their network is doubled. And yet, their own experts within their own network, never figured this out, but a third party did? They were wrong, because for a year, every public statement from them has been 'We need more bandwidth to solve or network problems, so we need to buy company x and get theirs.' They were wrong, because as soon as Verizon stopped offering unlimited data, AT&T went to tiered internet, and began a policy of openly blaming their customers for its network shortcomings, but for YEARS denied their network was as insufficient as it was, duping customers into staying with them, until they had no viable options to leave.
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dlmjr

Feb 20, 2012, 3:26 PM
some of you ATT haters forget to read...

these are chips being developed by someone other than ATT

It will be some time before they are incorporated into PHONES and TABLETS....

Making a 'simple software change' at the towers won't do anything until such time as a huge number of customers have the new devices with the chips.

Take your hate blinders off.
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Jayshmay

Feb 20, 2012, 3:36 PM
Plus it was ATT that murdered unlimited data first, not Verizon. Verizon didn't murder unlimited data until an entire year after ATT did.
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keithfrombm

Feb 20, 2012, 11:31 PM
Was I not clear on something, cause I'm getting lost now. I wasn't being critical of Verizon's handling of unlimited data--they saw that AT&T managed to do it to increase their bottom line, so they followed suit. I was also pretty clear in my posts (I thought) that the shame is in that AT&T spent its money & resources NOT innovating, but instead, trying to quash competition and blame it's customer base for its own shortcomings.
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Jayshmay

Feb 20, 2012, 11:45 PM
I felt the same way, all of 2008, 2009 came and went and ATT stood still. Tmo continued, and continued to move forward with HSPA 21 & HSPA 42.

In March of 2010 I gave up on waiting for ATT and went with Verizon, cause I knew Verizon would be the first in the U.S. with LTE.
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keithfrombm

Feb 21, 2012, 12:18 AM
Sorry, Jay, I messed up: I meant to say the first time what I stated the second time: I had the time frames all wrong in original post. Hats off to you, sir. Unfortunately, I DIDN'T leave AT&T, and am one of those tortured souls who actually defended them in the date of my iPhone 3GS. They've always been cooperative with me with billing disputes, and when I lost my job, and I love their customer service (literally--I married a former cs rep last year LOL), but its the corporate policies and actions that leave me fuming sometimes!
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WiWavelength

Feb 20, 2012, 3:40 PM
These comments seem to contain much incorrect speculation or outright misinterpretation as to what Multiflow will do.

One, Multiflow will not double capacity. It appears to be a soft handoff scheme for HSPA+ data. It will improve data rates near cell edges where interference between cells normally limits possible data speeds.

Two, Multiflow will not affect dropped calls. Calls do not utilize HSPA+ enhancements; calls travel over standard W-CDMA, which can already utilize soft handoff.

AJ
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keithfrombm

Feb 20, 2012, 11:50 PM
From the article: "The feature makes far more efficient use of
network resources, delivering up to double the data speed and up to 50% faster response compared to existing HSPA+ networks." And: "...it reduces imbalances that typically occur in network resource usage, and increases HSPA+ speed and capacity.”
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WiWavelength

Feb 21, 2012, 1:18 AM
keithfrombm said:
From the article: "The feature makes far more efficient use of
network resources, delivering up to double the data speed and up to 50% faster response compared to existing HSPA+ networks." And: "...it reduces imbalances that typically occur in network resource usage, and increases HSPA+ speed and capacity.”


Yes, now go back and read the article again. Note that it states "cell edge" at least three times. I stress again that Multiflow appears to be a soft handoff technique. It can improve data rates at cell edge, where C/I ratio is generally lowest. However, because data has to be backhauled to a second cell site, Multiflow may actually reduce capacity for other users.

Trust me....
(continues)
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Vmac39

Feb 21, 2012, 2:32 PM
Don't recall the arrival mentioning increased capacity, just possible speed increases. Wouldn't phones need to have the ability to support that update, meaning hardware updates? I'm just asking because, it seems to me that the current phones would not have the ability to do that and with the signal being pulled in two different directions, it would cause even more drain on battery life. If anyone can answer this question, I would appreciate it.
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dlmjr

Feb 20, 2012, 4:16 PM
reading comprehension isn't one of the things I'd list on my resume if I were you

the software change would be needed to accomodate the new chips in Nokia phones or of manufacturers who utilize their chips....

until such time as the chips are incorporated and a large number of customers have those devices, any software change is meaningless
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