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FCC Wants Public Opinion on LightSquared's GPS Claims

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dlmjr

Jan 30, 2012, 11:39 AM
What does public opinion have to do with the FCC doing their job?
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HatesBlackberrys

Jan 30, 2012, 12:03 PM
The governement is the voice of the people. Apparently they don't have enough voice. They want to get the opinion of the public to weigh on whether or not Lightsquared can get it's 4G through. This again is a public based decision.


I vote yes.
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johnhr2

Jan 30, 2012, 1:34 PM
I personally think if Lightsquare owns the spectrum they should be allowed to run their network. BUT they should also work with the gps industry to help lower interference and make it not existed. In a perfect world everyone uses their own spectrum and there should be no interference, but thats a perfect world.
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bomber428

Jan 30, 2012, 1:41 PM
I'll look at this decision like a typical politician...

I bought a bunch of Clearwire stock with the assumption that LightSquared would not get FCC approval, and therefore CLWR will pick up a bunch of the wholesale partners that LS signed up.

So my vote is with my wallet... NO!
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dlmjr

Jan 30, 2012, 3:16 PM
The public is poorly informed and easily led.
The decision should not be a popularity vote.
FCC commissioners are appointed by the sitting President and approved by congress to do the publics business.

I don't have any friends who know snot about the LS deal.
Why would we want a decision like this to be swayed by public opinion?

This is a total cop out or an avenue to find a 'reason' to allow LS and their investors to have their way, reguardless of the problems with it.
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planethulk

Jan 30, 2012, 5:23 PM
Just because your friends are poorly informed doesn't mean everyone is poorly informed. And the idea that an elite few should make a decision based on your assumption that people are too stupid obviously comes from the fact that you do not support LS in their efforts to legally use what they have paid for.

Personally, I don't feel like this should be "decided by the people" unless we are talking about a jury. This is an open and shut case. The GPS industry is making tons of money off the fact that they have improperly used spectrum that they were never allowed to use in the first place. That isn't even disputed. The only thing being disputed is whether or not the FCC should enforce the law against a giant money making industry. If anythin...
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WiWavelength

Jan 30, 2012, 8:57 PM
planethulk said:
Just because your friends are poorly informed doesn't mean everyone is poorly informed.


Actually, you unintentionally support dlmjr's point by showing how inadequately informed you are about the LightSquared GPS interference situation.

planethulk said:
This is an open and shut case. The GPS industry is making tons of money off the fact that they have improperly used spectrum that they were never allowed to use in the first place.


The above is just as specious as it was when I addressed it in a previous thread:

http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/discuss.php?fm=m& ... »

Yet, you refuse to bolster your knowledge and continue to post thi...
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planethulk

Jan 31, 2012, 12:14 PM
Saying I'm wrong and showing a link where you repeat your you claim that I am wrong still doesn't make you correct. "Listen to the experts" funny I seem to be the only one that IS listening to the experts and under no circumstances are YOU one of those experts.

So until YOU come up with some link or evidence or proof that I am actually incorrect, kindly stuff a sock in it.
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planethulk

Jan 31, 2012, 12:18 PM
The only one posting misinfo is you. You have no claims to facts only some sort of holier than thou attitude that somehow you are godlike in your knowledge. Well do something besides make a grand claim.... prove it.

And I'm pretty sure that the only reason you know what the Dunning-Kruger Effect means is because that's how your psychologist describes your problems.
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dlmjr

Jan 31, 2012, 1:11 PM
You are ignoring several facts that have been plainly stated and posted.

LS has use of the spectrum that they 'paid for' for non terrestrial use. Nobody is interfering with that.

LS asked for a modification of the rules to use that spectrum from a terrestrial position and the FCC granted a trial WITH CONDITIONS, which you keep ignoring.

What part of that do you not understand?
The GPS signal is broad cast from Space.... and does not interfere in any way shape or from with the LS spectrum.

LS wants to use the spectrum in a manner it was not originally intended and was given a chance to prove they could do it WITH CONDITIONS... which you continue to ignore.

Why are you in such denial of facts?

GPS devices do not generate si...
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dlmjr

Jan 30, 2012, 9:07 PM
Seriously, you want things like this decided by 'public opinion'?
The only opinion 99.9999% of the public would have would be the opinion they were handed.
Are you willing to be governed by public opinion?

Probably.

Laughing

The GPS industry is not infringing on LS one iota.

The GPS signal doesn't interfere with anything LS has proposed or tried.

LS took a shot. It's not working out. There were stipulations in the trial and they failed.
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planethulk

Jan 31, 2012, 12:30 PM
When did I say that? Did you even read my post? Or did you just see my name and decided you wanted to talk ****?

I specifically said that it should be decided by a JURY. And once again you have some sort of elitist opinion(because you think you are one of the elite separate from the 'public') that the public is too stupid to know something?

As for me I'm a Constitutionalist and a Ron Paul supporter so the public opinion of sheep like you actually matters very little to me.

As far as your claims... please prove it. Show all of us, the uninformed idiot public, your test results, whitepapers, FCC documents. Show us ANYTHING that isn't a know-it-all over inflated opinion. Please. We'll be waiting. I'd bet my screen name that you don't...
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dlmjr

Jan 31, 2012, 3:36 PM
A jury?
LS has every right to file a civil suit if they think they are being wronged.
I wouldn't hold my breath for that one though.

I seriously doubt it would make it past the initial pleading stage and they probably know that or they would have filed months ago.

Why not just disband the FCC and repeal the legislative act that created it?

Then every time someone wants to use a particular bit of spectrum for something, we can have a trial.

As to do I personally have access to the test data? No. Neither do you. But we do have access to congressional testimony don't we?
Is it your contention that those people were outright supplying false testiomony?

LS didn't dispute the validity of the tests until they got their back...
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dlmjr

Jan 30, 2012, 9:17 PM
planethulk said:
Just because your friends are poorly informed doesn't mean everyone is poorly informed. And the idea that an elite few should make a decision based on your assumption that people are too stupid obviously comes from the fact that you do not support LS in their efforts to legally use what they have paid for.
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You obviously are not qualified to give an opinion either.
LS spectrum was originally granted for extra terrestrial use.

The FCC granted conditional terrestrial use.

CONDITIONAL.... got that part?

LS accepted and failed.

They still have use of the spectrum, from extra terrestrial basis, which is exactly what they paid for.

You are the basis for my thoughts that this sh...
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planethulk

Jan 31, 2012, 12:39 PM
Still waiting for your "education" to show up here. Again you attack me but have no proof. You need to read the FCC conditions regarding the "conditional" use. It was granted use of this Spectrum. The problem isn't Light Squared. The problem is that the GPS industry is using this spectrum ILLEGALLY. The end. You nor your little toadies have yet to offer any argument or proof that doesn't equal "we are right and you are wrong because we don't like facts".

I actually went to a good University and nowhere did I see a degree offered in "Please conform to dlmjr's opinion" There are no credits offered for such a course. I checked to see if there was a BS in "BS" but I couldn't find one of those either. So I guess "educated" doesn't actually mea...
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Fredd

Feb 1, 2012, 2:51 PM
Lightsquared was granted a conditional waiver to look into the terrestrial use of the bands that they were licensed for extra-planetary use. The condition was that it not interfere with existing GPS technologies. It does interfere. That is a public safety issue.

If the use of the spectrum interferes with GPS used in commercial and private aviation, I have grave concerns on granting a permanent extension of the waiver. Aviation safety shoudl take precedent over someone improving their ability to receive email, surf the internet - all conveniences, not needs.

I will not comment on the legality/illegality of the GPS bands, as I am not well versed in that. However, aren't most of the satellites transmitting GPS signals owned by the governm...
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planethulk

Feb 3, 2012, 9:47 PM
I completely agree with your concerns. I have them too. LightSquared's claim is that the GPS industry is using a spectrum block they were not supposed to use. They are only allocated a certain block. This is pretty important stuff. For example if Tmob was to start using an 850 spectrum block that would not only be illegal but could also cause interference in legitimate 850 blocks. My only claim in this is that if LightSquared's claims are true then we should be standing up for them and make sure that the ones who have actually caused the problems are the ones fixing them.
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Fredd

Feb 1, 2012, 3:43 PM
Public opinion is open filing for all opinions, standard with any public filing. There have been many filed - see http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/lightsquared- foia
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