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California First to Levy Cell Phone Charger Regulations

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13%?

dlmjr

Jan 13, 2012, 11:57 AM
Really? Do they just make this crap up offa the tops of their heads?
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Versed

Jan 13, 2012, 12:20 PM
Yes
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HawkeyeOC

Jan 13, 2012, 12:39 PM
dlmjr said:
Really? Do they just make this crap up offa the tops of their heads?


Your right, the percentage figure is being disputed by the Consumer Electronics Association (CEA). They say the savings for consumers has been overestimated.

I am sure they arrived at this accurate number by visiting each and every California household taking careful note of what consumers will save Laughing
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dlmjr

Jan 13, 2012, 1:08 PM
HawkeyeOC said:


Your right, the percentage figure is being disputed by the Consumer Electronics Association (CEA). They say the savings for consumers has been overestimated.

I am sure they arrived at this accurate number by visiting each and every California household taking careful note of what consumers will save Laughing


From what I can figure, the 13% would represent somewhere north of 3 trillion kw hrs per year...

I'm not buying it
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HawkeyeOC

Jan 13, 2012, 1:56 PM
Well we have an "estimated" 170 million "vampire" chargers according to the article divided by 37.3 million people in California in 2010 which means legislatures are telling us that there are 4.55 useless chargers for every man, women and child sucking up the power.

So a family of 4 might have at least 18 of these plugged in right?
I am not buying it either Rolling Eyes
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dlmjr

Jan 13, 2012, 2:06 PM
I'm just looking at the annual electrical power consumption of California and 13% is more than 3 trillion kw hours....
There is no basis in reality here.
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truthinsuffering

Jan 13, 2012, 3:31 PM
Yeah not buying it, I can understand a family of 4, with 2 teenage or preteen children maybe having 8 chargers going, up to 4 laptops and 4 phones, that's a phone and laptop each. So that's 8, not 18. Well over exagerrated. I would also assume any company displaying the phone for business purposes would have a energy effcient charger already, I know several companys make it such as AT&T's Zero Charger, Shuts off when no device is plugged in or device is fully charged.
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dlmjr

Jan 13, 2012, 3:47 PM
13% of Kalifornias electrical energy consumption is in excess of 3 TRILLION kilowatt hrs.
It takes a 100 watt bulb 10 hrs to consume 1 kilowat hour. A 100 watt bulb burning contuniously consumes 876 kw hrs in a year. So, 3 trillion kw hrs is how many 100 w bulbs burning 24 hrs 365?

Do the math.
That puts the idiot stat in perspective.
Number is way, way overblown.

The sad part is people will swallow these made up stats and regurgitate them without question.
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HawkeyeOC

Jan 13, 2012, 4:10 PM
dlmjr said:
The sad part is people will swallow these made up stats and regurgitate them without question.


I hope not, but maybe thats wishful thinking on my part. I live in California. Talk radio regularly pokes fun of exaggerated stats like this to justify new laws and regulations. You have a very good point
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Jayshmay

Jan 13, 2012, 9:58 PM
You live in California HawkeyeOC?
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HawkeyeOC

Jan 15, 2012, 8:57 PM
Jayshmay said:
You live in California HawkeyeOC?


For better or worse Laughing Yea.
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Jayshmay

Jan 13, 2012, 9:57 PM
Your quite the number cruncher!
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dlmjr

Jan 16, 2012, 11:55 AM
I just hate bs statistics, especially when some do-gooder legislative body uses them to justify crap legislation.

If you are going to 'legislate' then for God's sake at least use real numbers to justify it, not made up bs.
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maokh

Jan 15, 2012, 2:03 AM
It is true...about 10-13% of all electricity is standby/vampire/phantom power. But this includes everything from microwaves to dvd players to wall warts. In my house, these other items out number the battery chargers I have.

Still, this mandate will save a measurable amount of power. Even 1% savings on this massive scale is a lot of energy.

Nearly all your chargers are designed based on cost, not on energy efficiency, since the consumer probably doesn't no any better on what things consume inside their household anyway. No company would design a more expensive charger without marketing it as some sort of value add (aka, charging them 300% more for calling it a "Green Charger").

California is such a large market, whenever they ...
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T Bone

Jan 15, 2012, 3:48 PM
Implies that it is use power without actually doing anything, this is rarely the case. If it's a microwave oven, stove or coffee maker it is keeping the clock running, if it is a game console or computer it is saving your information and putting itself into 'standby' mode so that it doesn't take as long to boot it up next time, if it your DVR it is scanning the channels, recording o5 looking for programs to recommend.....

These appliances are, almost all of them, actually DOING something while they are plugged in, they aren't just wasting electricity for absolutely no purpose, and unplugging them every time you are done using them is counterproductive because it makes the product harder to use the next time you want to use them.

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SkillciaX

Jan 15, 2012, 11:12 PM
What they are talking about is those of us that leave the charger plugged in when the phone is not plugged into the charger. the charger cord is still sucking up power, just like a toaster oven would when not in use if you left it plugged in. i never use the microwave for a clock when i have my computer or cell phone. my printer is always plugged in, but i only use it once a week.
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T Bone

Jan 16, 2012, 8:23 PM
"What they are talking about is those of us that leave the charger plugged in when the phone is not plugged into the charger. the charger cord is still sucking up power"

Yes, but that doesn't count for 13% of all power used, and the post I was responding to was saying it appliances left plugged in when not in use.
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Lena

Jan 16, 2012, 9:42 AM
maokh said:
It is true...about 10-13% of all electricity is standby/vampire/phantom power. But this includes everything from microwaves to dvd players to wall warts. ... Even 1% savings on this massive scale is a lot of energy....

But 1% is still 1%, and if your electric bill is $2000 for the year, and you dutifully unplug every unused charger daily, you will save $20 in a year. Good. That will help pay for the cost of the electrician when he comes out to replace your worn out receptacles.
What's next? Mandated remote controllable thermostats so that CA can control your energy usage during a heat wave or cold snap? Remote controllable refrigerator thermostats to raise the temperature in the fridge dur...
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HawkeyeOC

Jan 17, 2012, 1:00 AM
Lena said:
What's next? Mandated remote controllable thermostats so that CA can control your energy usage during a heat wave or cold snap?


Funny you should mention that. My power meter is now being read remotely. I had no choice in it being installed. My gas meter is upgradable to wireless tech when they want to. You are right, it's coming.

Lena said:
Or maybe we should focus on providing more power rather than legislating pocket lint savings.


This is almost impossible in California's regulatory climate anymore. My company has been involved in the process of upgrading an older power facility for the last 5 years and its been planned for more than a decade. Forget b...
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