AT&T May Divest Up to 40% of T-Mobile USA to Gain Approval
Just more evidence
Nope, but we've just seen that there is still hope for AT&T not buying out T-Mobile.
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I don't believe that's the case at all. In all honesty, T-mobile isn't even a competitor for at&t. When a company has lower prices, most of the same phones, only 30% of the customers and losing ground daily, that isn't much competition. The main reason at&t wants to acquire T-mobile is for their spectrum.
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A few of the forum members here have discredited the theory that AT&T even needs spectrum any spectrum by showing that AT&T (and Verizon) already have a lot of spectrum they're not using so I won't go into that to deeply, but I will say that even if T-Mobile isn't doing that great of a job they are still competition because customers must pay either AT&T or T-Mobile for service.
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Yep, so let's hope they get their buts in gear and start using their spectrum.
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Has everyone forgot that Tmobile has been trying to get rid of itself? I understand the concerns but, lets put blame where it needs to be. Any business in the same position as ATT would do exactly the same thing, if the other company has similar products that can be easily incorporated and they have the financial means of doing it AND if ultimately, they believe that it would be a benefit to them in the long run. This isn't anything new in the business world.
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Of course any business in AT&T's position would try to acquire T-Mobile, just as those who feel At&T shouldn't would try to stop it.
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Just pointing out the fact that Deutsche has been trying to get rid of Tmobile for some time
I believe this is just more of, if no one else is going to buy them, we will. Yes, I'm aware of the talks Sprint and Tmobile were having but, in all honesty, I doubt Sprint would have been able to pull it off and not suffer greatly for it.
I believe this is just more of, if no one else is going to buy them, we will. Yes, I'm aware of the talks Sprint and Tmobile were having but, in all honesty, I doubt Sprint would have been able to pull it off and not suffer greatly for it.
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Vmac39 said:
Just pointing out the fact that Deutsche has been trying to get rid of Tmobile for some time
I have these barrels of chemical waste. I am dying to get rid of them, and I found this shipping company that will dump them at sea for me. But now the EPA is butting in, telling us that we cannot do that.
Again, see the parallel.
AJ
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WiWavelength said:
I have these barrels of chemical waste. I am dying to get rid of them, and I found this shipping company that will dump them at sea for me. But now the EPA is butting in, telling us that we cannot do that.
Again, see the parallel.
AJ
No. But AJ I guess you can see them.
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Don't you see what he's getting at? Yet another example of a government agency getting in the way. Who is the EPA to tell us what we can and can't kill with our toxic waste?
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Vosim said:
Don't you see what he's getting at? Yet another example of a government agency getting in the way. Who is the EPA to tell us what we can and can't kill with our toxic waste?
And this has to do with this merger, or divesture of assets in what way?
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Well comparing different industries and business models and potential abuses is not a fair comparison. I mean you don't compare a traffic violator to an axe murderer, just because they both broke the law.
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That's a terrible analogy, AJ.
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"I" = DT?
T-Mobile = the barrels of toxic waste?
AT&T = a shipping company that dumps barrels like this at sea?
I can't even think of a way to edit that to make sense.
If DT is eager to sell their US operations, then why not work with a company that has the resources to do so.
Regardless of AT&T's motivation to do this (spectrum/customers/eliminate competition) you can't fault them for doing so. People's best interests ALWAYS take a back seat to almighty dollar. Look at how many companies outsource to China and close down domestic operations.
Sprint clearly couldn't deliver on helping DT acheive its end goal, so they moved on to someone that has a better chance.
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"I" = DT?
T-Mobile = the barrels of toxic waste?
AT&T = a shipping company that dumps barrels like this at sea?
I can't even think of a way to edit that to make sense.
If DT is eager to sell their US operations, then why not work with a company that has the resources to do so.
Regardless of AT&T's motivation to do this (spectrum/customers/eliminate competition) you can't fault them for doing so. People's best interests ALWAYS take a back seat to almighty dollar. Look at how many companies outsource to China and close down domestic operations.
Sprint clearly couldn't deliver on helping DT acheive its end goal, so they moved on to someone that has a better chance.
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---" I doubt Sprint would have been able to pull it off and not suffer greatly for it."---
So in other words, it was ok for AT&T to remove the possibility of a Sprint/Tmobile merge, just so AT&T can break up Tmobile anyways to eliminate even more competition.
Which is worse?
Let's look at this differently.
Given Sprint CEO's recent record for putting them on a more dynamic track for network enhancement results over AT&T's, I would say Tmobile would have had a better chance at an all around survival rate by Sprint not having to liquidate as much of the carrier to comply with acquistion rules. Thus creating a more viable competitive carrier in which the industry needs rather than the complete elimination of such carrier.
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So in other words, it was ok for AT&T to remove the possibility of a Sprint/Tmobile merge, just so AT&T can break up Tmobile anyways to eliminate even more competition.
Which is worse?
Let's look at this differently.
Given Sprint CEO's recent record for putting them on a more dynamic track for network enhancement results over AT&T's, I would say Tmobile would have had a better chance at an all around survival rate by Sprint not having to liquidate as much of the carrier to comply with acquistion rules. Thus creating a more viable competitive carrier in which the industry needs rather than the complete elimination of such carrier.
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In addition to my above post, this also will save more jobs. Sprint would need to keep a greater portion of Tmobile's staff to run stores where Sprint has none. AT&T's greater footprint position, would have eliminated most of the staff.
John B.
John B.
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Not what I was implying. I was simply sating that I didn't believe Sprint would have been able to pull it off, without significant loss. Meaning, there may have been more job loss in the long run. There's no sure way to k ow what would happen either way. We can only speculate as to the outcome and hope for the best.
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Yeah, dynamic, Clear has missed payments, and that superfast evdo-a speeds of 800kps on a good day must put them right up there.
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Clearwire is an associated partner of Sprint, but not controlled by Sprint in full. Sprint is being wise and cautious in their moves with said partner. I would be too. I'm not about to sink billions of dollars into my partner's logic when it has proved to be detrimental as an albatross around the neck. No doubt Sprint is waiting for Clearwire's market value to tank before buying them out. Smart? I should say so.
You know Versed, you are one of the more respected posters on this site and my respect for you is higher than most. However, I not only joined this forum to help instruct, but also to be instructed. I tire of individuals that do not accept the hard truth in the business and technical aspects of the wireless industry in which we a...
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You know Versed, you are one of the more respected posters on this site and my respect for you is higher than most. However, I not only joined this forum to help instruct, but also to be instructed. I tire of individuals that do not accept the hard truth in the business and technical aspects of the wireless industry in which we a...
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Well, I may disagree with Slammer, but he does seem to be a decent person from his posts. Maybe you should break up? 🤣
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That and Sprint doesn't have the money, price AT&T is willing to shell out, and I think its way to high is like 3.5x Sprints Market Cap.
To be honest, it would have been better for either Google or similar company to buy TMO or Sprint. They have the money and the brains to turn both into thriving companies.
To be honest, it would have been better for either Google or similar company to buy TMO or Sprint. They have the money and the brains to turn both into thriving companies.
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The reason is all these fanboi's of Sprint and T-Mobile just cry and cry, Honestly I can understand somewhat from the TMO users. They post charts, they talk nonsense. Its like they own any of these corporations. They're just full of hate and blind devotion to an organization that could careless about them. To them if you feel different, they attack you, question your employment status etc... But truly they're the one's on their knees with their mouths open.
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Vmac39 said:
Any business in the same position as ATT would do exactly the same thing, if the other company has similar products that can be easily incorporated and they have the financial means of doing it AND if ultimately, they believe that it would be a benefit to them in the long run. This isn't anything new in the business world.
Let me straighten out your logic.
First, people steal from other people all the time. Stealing is not "anything new." But that does not make stealing any less wrong. See the parallel.
Second, any businesses is inanimate; it acts only because of the decisions of business persons. So, any business would not "do exactly the same thing" as AT&T unless business persons ...
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First, where does the idea of theft apply here?
Last I checked, this was a mutual thing.
Besides, just because two parties are already in talks about trying to make a deal, doesn't mean that someone else can't make an offer. If you want to blame someone for the Sprint and Tmobile deal not being hashed out, blame Tmobile. They could have continued with the negotiations with Sprint, but they didn't. So, regardless off what you may think, ATT isn't the only "bad guy" in this.
Secondly, I was referring to the entity itself, which by the way, includes the people you speak of. Using your logic, if I own a business and I know another company who is considering to sell some or all of its assets, I'm not suppose to inquire or put forth an offer,...
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Last I checked, this was a mutual thing.
Besides, just because two parties are already in talks about trying to make a deal, doesn't mean that someone else can't make an offer. If you want to blame someone for the Sprint and Tmobile deal not being hashed out, blame Tmobile. They could have continued with the negotiations with Sprint, but they didn't. So, regardless off what you may think, ATT isn't the only "bad guy" in this.
Secondly, I was referring to the entity itself, which by the way, includes the people you speak of. Using your logic, if I own a business and I know another company who is considering to sell some or all of its assets, I'm not suppose to inquire or put forth an offer,...
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Vmac39 said:
First, where does the idea of theft apply here?
Last I checked, this was a mutual thing.
He wasn't implying that there was any theft going on between AT&T and T-Mobile, he was just using theft as an example of something that happens a lot and is still not a good thing.
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So, regardless off what you may think, ATT isn't the only "bad guy" in this.
So we agree that AT&T is in fact a bad guy. 🙂
I think we're all talking about the same thing here in different ways. I'm saying AT&T's primary reason for buying T-Moblie is to eliminate competition, you're saying well of course they are why wouldn't they, and WiWave and saying that still doesn't ma...
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you said " burden of proof would fall on me to show that my desire to buy in part or totality another company is beneficial for me as well as the customers and public".
the problem is that this will most likely not provide beneficial to the customers and public
if it did there wouldn't be any problems with the merger but due to job loss inflation of prices over the old t-mobile customers and let alone eliminate a competitor which will stifle pricing and selections of phones and plans out there
the problem is that this will most likely not provide beneficial to the customers and public
if it did there wouldn't be any problems with the merger but due to job loss inflation of prices over the old t-mobile customers and let alone eliminate a competitor which will stifle pricing and selections of phones and plans out there
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I understand the points being made but, this is all still mere speculation. Let's just say ATT wasn't allowed to acquire Tmobile and someone else bought them and decided to convert half, if not all of their newly acquired assets to CDMA? The point I'm making, we don't really know what will happen. With Tmoble's parent company clearly trying to sell, job loss is inevitable. I've never heard of any business being sold to another maintain all or anywhere close to all their jobs. If they did, it was only temporary. As for competition, LTE will make it a moot point, in the near future. All major carriers and even some regional carriers are switching over to LTE. This will probably happen sooner than later. Probably within the next three to five y...
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