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Adobe Confirms It Will Abandon Flash Player Mobile

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Hey, everyone who said Apple was in the wrong for saying "GTFO" to Flash...

bluecoyote

Nov 9, 2011, 10:10 AM
… and that Apple was wrong for saying that Flash was a horrible, resource hogging, always-behind-schedule, poorly-implemented piece of garbage and HTML5 was the future….


You're going to admit you're wrong, right?
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Pandemic187

Nov 9, 2011, 10:49 AM
So what? They still chose to completely ignore the industry standard. Technology changes all the time and most hardware/software standards get replaced by something better in due time. Were movie producers wrong for releasing movies in VHS? No, as there was nothing better at the time. If this had been any organization other than Apple - the company that basically gets to due whatever they want - the consequences would have been much greater.
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Vmac39

Nov 9, 2011, 12:07 PM
Microsoft also avoided flash for their phones. In addition to the reasons that Apple gave, MS realized it was a security risk as well. True enough software and technology but, HTML5 is becoming the standard for mobile devices. Adobe will support the new format that will be more broadly used among smart phones and tablets.
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T Bone

Nov 9, 2011, 12:50 PM
Adobe simply never developed a WP7 compatible version of Flash player and gave up before they were able.....Microsoft didn't say 'no', they never had the option of saying 'no', Adobe never had anything to offer them in the first place.
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Vmac39

Nov 9, 2011, 6:24 PM
We will have to agree to disagree. Articles I've read in the past quoted Microsoft as not wanting to use flash for their WP7/WP7.5 phones and that it was considered a security risk for the platform. Also, due to the fact that they were going to support HTML5 and Flash as we know it would not be necessary.

As for their older phones running the older OS 6.0 and lower, Flash not being offered may habe been true. To be honest, I never entertained MS phones until now, so I don't know a whole lot about that.
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T Bone

Nov 9, 2011, 10:16 PM
My point is that no one can reject something that doesn't exist....there has never been a Windows Phone Flash player developed....indeed, they never even announced plans to develop a Windows Phone compatible Flash player. (Unlike the iPhone, Abode announced plans to develop an iOS Flash player in 2007, and they were actively working on developing it right up until Steve Jobs made the definitive 'rejection' in spring 2010.

Microsoft announcing they weren't going to support Flash player would be like me holding a press conference to announce that on second thought, I'm not going to sleep with Jessica Alba after all...you and everyone else in the world would be perfectly justified in responding by asking 'when were you ever in the running?'...
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Vmac39

Nov 10, 2011, 12:03 AM
Unlike your ability to meet and sleep with that sexy ass, Microsoft could have approached and created an opportunity to get in bed with Adobe, if they really wanted to. The only point I was making is, Microsoft didn't want it on their phones anyway. So, whether or not it was offered is kind of moot.
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bluecoyote

Nov 9, 2011, 12:30 PM
Flash was never a video standard for mobile devices. It had absolutely no business there.
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Jayshmay

Nov 10, 2011, 2:34 AM
Now that is a really supid comment. The mobile phone is constantly evolving to behave more, and more like pc's. Of all people, you being a developer should understand that.
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BigRed75

Nov 9, 2011, 12:05 PM
bluecoyote said:
… and that Apple was wrong for saying that Flash was a horrible, resource hogging, always-behind-schedule, poorly-implemented piece of garbage and HTML5 was the future….


You're going to admit you're wrong, right?


and tell the above to the 99.9% of websites with multimedia content that use flash! You think they're gonna stop using it overnight? Like the flip of a switch? HTLML5 isn't ready for primetime.

Look I use a Mac and hate flash myself but unfortunately it's the standard and until HTML5 becomes a suitable replacement we at the mercy of it for now.
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bluecoyote

Nov 9, 2011, 12:16 PM
HTML5 isn't entirely solidified yet, but it's miles ahead of Flash in the mobile video realm.
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Jayshmay

Nov 10, 2011, 2:38 AM
The standard.us called WebM, right? And Android, as of frozen yogurt 2.2 is capable & ready for WebM, right?
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T Bone

Nov 9, 2011, 12:48 PM
So...what you are saying that we should all bow down to the almighty Apple because they really do know what is best for us? That we should all just blindly obey whatever Apple says?

I don't think so.
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bluecoyote

Nov 9, 2011, 2:38 PM
Yes, you should blindly obey Apple, and have a chip implanted that tests your loyalty.
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SublimeDavid

Nov 9, 2011, 6:05 PM
Totally Homo, just saying.... Paranoid
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Jayshmay

Nov 10, 2011, 2:42 AM
Perhaps you should should get a real big tattoo of an apple on your face, so everybody will think your a teachers pet Laughing .
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WiWavelength

Nov 9, 2011, 1:20 PM
bluecoyote said:
You're going to admit you're wrong, right?


I do not have a dog in the Flash vs HTML5 fight. But if you want others to admit that they are wrong, are you going to admit that your thinking is flawed?

You act as if mobile Flash failed purely of its own accord. Do you not think that Apple's rebuff of Flash for iOS effectively led to Flash's downfall?

For an admittedly ridiculous example (but it illustrates my point), Apple could say that the color blue is bad. Thus, iOS will no longer support display of the color blue. Guess what? Many/most mobile web sites would stop using the color blue. Did blue fail on its own merit? Or did Apple and its iOS market share dictate that result?
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KOL4420

Nov 9, 2011, 1:55 PM
Amen... Works the same way with everything. The only reason HTML5 is good for mobile phones is because they load faster and use less data so with all these limits on data usage with carriers, slow internet speeds, and the huge market share the iPhone has it is only logical that this will be the future.
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bluecoyote

Nov 9, 2011, 2:44 PM
Flash did fail on its own accord. If Flash was good, Apple would have included it. It wouldn't make any sense for them not to include it if it was dramatically superior. But it wasn't. It was a terrible, inefficient, and clumsy. Apple even stated they'd asked Adobe to show them a version that worked well for years and was unable to.

Adobe was unable to produce an acceptably performing version, that's the end of the story. It performed mediocre-ly on some Android devices... for video, at least... and terribly on everything else.

Apple railed against it, Microsoft didn't support it, and Google had no interest in it aside from a cheap attempt to prove how 'open' Android was.
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WiWavelength

Nov 9, 2011, 4:19 PM
bluecoyote said:
Flash did fail on its own accord. If Flash was good, Apple would have included it.


No, I am sorry. You are just digging a deeper hole for yourself with your flawed reasoning.

The assertion "If Flash was [sic] good, Apple would have included it" contains at least one unsupported assumption.

Now, you certainly make your case that Flash is not good. Others disagree with you (and, as stated previously, I do not take a side), so that is a moot point.

But you assume that Apple would include something if it were good. You do not or cannot make that case. One, as noted above, some do think that Flash is good. Two, for a counterexample, take Blu-ray. Many think that BD is good, yet...
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tbacba

Nov 9, 2011, 9:59 PM
He would much rather have others think he it's right than to actually be right. Rolling Eyes
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bluecoyote

Nov 10, 2011, 1:29 AM
Apple's entire philosophy is very simple to understand, and I'm not sure why it's a mystery to so many people on Phone Scoop.

If Apple doesn't view it as relevant to the future of computing for the product's lifecycle or if it's likely a cheap fad, they don't include it. If they do, they're among the first to include it. This is why they were among the first to offer widespread adoption of USB ports in their computers as the only input method, this is why they abandoned floppy drives years before their competition, and it's why they skipped out on ZIP drives. Hey, many people thought ZIP drives were good, too.

Now of course I tend to land on the pro-Apple side, but because I agree with their views. And it's made them one of t...
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Slammer

Nov 10, 2011, 8:24 PM
---" If Apple doesn't view it as relevant to the future of computing for the product's lifecycle or if it's likely a cheap fad, they don't include it."---

This is an interesting philosophy and reminds me of a great man; Gene Roddenberry.

Your use of "relevant to the future of computing", is sort of chance.

Being somewhat of a Star Trek fan, and growing up during the original series, I had always looked up to Gene as a scholastic visionary. As I grew older, the admiration was still there on how he seemed to vision the future. However I also realized his passion to create a science fiction television show was his primary premise. He was marketing the show, not the technology. No one person can predict the future. They can however, ...
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KOL4420

Nov 10, 2011, 9:32 AM
WiWavelength said:

Correct me if I am mistaken, but you are well known in these forums as an Apple fanboy and seem to pledge allegiance almost unequivocally to whatever Apple decides, along the lines of "If Apple does not include it, then it is no good." Well, that is effectively just the contrapositive of your assertion ("If Flash was [sic] good..."). So, you appear to presuppose what you set out to conclude. That is called circular reasoning -- another logical flaw.

(Now, in the interest of full disclosure, I am not against Apple. I own a PowerBook, a MacBook Pro, a Mac mini, an iPod touch, an AirPort Express, an AirPort Extreme, and I am typing this post on my 2011 MacBook Air. But I do have qualms about a co
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