AT&T Wireless Launches 3G
Waste of 10 Mhz
That is a lot of spectrum to use for pretty minimal benefits. Good things its only in four cities.
viper said:Soon to be at a location near you, nationwide.
I assume they are using one chanel up and one down for a total of 10 Mhz plus guard bands.
That is a lot of spectrum to use for pretty minimal benefits. Good things its only in four cities.
muchdrama said:
Soon to be at a location near you, nationwide.
Yes, but not until after the merger, when they'll have much more spectrum to work with.
Its just that you could do so much more with 10 MHz of spectrum than this. I'd like to see someone spend billions on something that represents a significant step forward instead of billions on these slow and expensive evolutionary changes.
i await until a day when the carriers deploy a real mobile data technology like 802.20 or whatever else is around at the time. then i'll get excited
then again, AT&T saved billions in payment to docomo by doing this so i can't say i blame them.
viper said:
... then again, AT&T saved billions in payment to docomo by doing this so i can't say i blame them.
Plus, Cingular wouldn't have wanted to inherit that kind of liability, so I imagine it would have been a deal-breaker for the merger if they hadn't done it.
But also, this is a solid foundation for HSDPA, which increases capacity and boosts data rates to 14.4 Mbps. 😳 HSDPA is a true "upgrade" for WCDMA, just like EDGE was for GSM/GPRS. So from that point of view - WCDMA as a stepping stone to HSDPA - I think it's a wise investment even without the DoCoMo deal.
cellboy said:Where do you come up with this stuff? Why is this a waste? This is an honest stepping stone to competing with EV DO and Verizon/Sprint. Data speeds will be blazing at first (not at the advertised 220-320 kbps...expect inital speeds somewhere in the 144-200 mbps area), and handset selection will be sparse. Just like any other introduction of new tech. Do you honestly think that EV DO will run at 2.4 mbps right after national roll out? How can you call something half asse...
I would have to second the waste thought. i mean come on you launch a ground breaking service half A$$ and we are supposed to get excited? Its always the same with ATTWS the service and no handsets or the handsets and no service.
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Waiting for the v710 and sticking w/ Verizon is getting further out of the picture for me. Verizon's customer service is horrible and their phone service will be mediocre to Cingular/ATT pretty soon.
I think its a waste mostly because they released a service with no real handsets to take advantage of it. you yourself pointed to the nokia that is not all that great, and the a845 is not even out yet. That is also why i say half assed. Whats the point in releasing a service you cant fully use? ohh man 2.4 mb woo hoo.. but can i use it now..NO. maybe Rich had a good point is saying thats why they are getting bought out. 😈 And your right i havent used it yet and probably wont till the company i work for rolls it out next year, but i can assure you that we will have the handsets and services to make it worth trying then... and thanks for the reply "pal"!!
Really you must work for ATTWS the way you dog me for dogin them...lol.
I'm an STS manager for a major electronics retailer...got it? Good.
I think its a waste mostly because they released a service with no real handsets to take advantage of it.
That's happened with quite a few mobile tech startups. Get used to it. We're talking billions of dollars invested, here.
you yourself pointed to the nokia that is not all that great, and the a845 is not even out yet.
Like I said (and you keep ignoring...you're pretty good at that, aren't you?), it's a startup. You gotta give 'em time.
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I work for a company that is migrating to GSM this september and we not only are going to release the "new" technology but we are going to have the services and handests to support it, and we are also spending billions of dollars doing it. so for you to say that they are doing it this way because its a launch is crazy. I worker for ATTWS when they launched GSM and they screwed it up. When Cingular launched GSM it was seamless, While my company is doing it it seems to be going fine, so im just saying ATTWS has issues launching new services and technology's for w...
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muchdrama said:cellboy said:
expect inital speeds somewhere in the 144-200 mbps area
this was a typo right? I really hope you don't think thats true.. its not possible nowhere does the gsm association even claim this is possible
this was a typo right? I really hope you don't think thats true.. its not possible nowhere does the gsm association even claim this is possibleFirst of all, we're talking about WCDMA. Secondly, this "GSM Association" you speak of is not going to give you realtime speed estimates.
BrandonP63 said:I'm saying ATTWS's quotes of 220-320kbps initially is a tad presumptuous. I'd expect speeds slightly slower than that. But only slightly.
So wait. Are you guys saying that 144-220Kbps or whatever is too slow or too fast?
scbysnx said:Aw, sweetheart. Mom forgot to rub your tooshie this morning? Fine, fine...you must have seen the obvious "mbps" typo. Sorry to spoil your day...say hi to mom for me.
umm.. .. wcdma is the version of cdma that the gsm association developed.. do you honestly have any idea what you're talking about? please do everyone a favor and stop talking now
That 10 mpbs (14 mbps is the theoretical max) goes down plenty quickly in the face of interference, distance and otherwise negative chanel conditions.
i agree its nice improvement but WCDMA in general strikes me as an unnecessary and costly step. Just go to ofdm and save some cash.
OFDM is a data-only technology being promoted mostly just by one company (Flarion). It's not a complete solution and it's not an accepted standard. It's not lined up to be any kind of successor to WCDMA. The fact that some people call it "4G" is misleading. (Which is why I try not call it that.)
Rich Brome said:And who's going to make handsets for OFDM? Wouldn't that get Nextel into trouble again (fixing themselves into a spot where only one vendor (or none) would manufacture handsets for them)?
WCDMA and WCDMA+HSDPA are complete, standardized voice, data, and multimedia solutions, with hardware available from all major vendors.
OFDM is a data-only technology being promoted mostly just by one company (Flarion). It's not a complete solution and it's not an accepted standard. It's not lined up to be any kind of successor to WCDMA. The fact that some people call it "4G" is misleading. (Which is why I try not call it that.)
I was actually talking about the IEEE's 802.20 which is not done yet but will almost certainly be OFDM and is also a standard. That specification should be done by year end 2005 and most carriers could easily wait for it.
flarion is another more immediate option which by the way is not data only. They introduced voice support at CTIA this year. 802.16e is a third option and the one that i think has the furthest to go. The spin masters are working overtime on that latter one. i wouldn't expect product for that one anytime before 2008 but a lot of carriers can wait that long.
No where in 802.16's initial scope did it talk about becomming a mobile platform which is why 802.20 was able to form (that and some pushing).the idea of including full mobility wihtin 802.16 really fools no one in its intent and there is quite a battle raging to stop it.
Most of those IEEE standards take 24-36 months to complete. 802.20 was started in late 2002 which puts completion at around late 2005. implementation, testing, etc could take time but you could also have people like flarion coming out with a pre certified systems with upgrade paths to full standard compliance.
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i encourage all of you to keep cable labs in mind as well. The IEEE had a standard for cable modems. The cable operators decided they didn't like it and came up with their own standard and organization called cablelabs.
Nothing is stopping mobile carriers from doing the same. And mobile carriers are a tad bit pissed at the vendor community so you never know, though i would not count on it.
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