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Unlimited data for $25

jonknee

Jul 16, 2004, 10:53 AM
Unlimited 3G speed data for $25 is going to be hot. That's almost the price of T-Mobile HotSpot, but you aren't limited to just Starbucks. Of course it's limited to 4 cities, but that will expand. Hopefully this is a sign of things to come.
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Rich Brome

Jul 16, 2004, 11:07 AM
Yes, but it sounds like it will be $25 only for phone use. If you want laptop access, it will be $80. In other words, just like Sprint, and the same idea as AT&T's current "$50 for PDAs, $80 for laptops" plans.
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raulr

Jul 16, 2004, 11:34 AM
I expect you'll be able to use the Moto A845 as a modem for a laptop/pc, just like the current GPRS Motos.
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Rich Brome

Jul 16, 2004, 11:41 AM
But if that's not allowed by AT&T, there are ways they can detect and prevent that. They could even have the A845 firmware programmed to not allow that. We won't know until it's available.
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X9

Jul 16, 2004, 12:14 PM
What Markets?
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jonknee

Jul 16, 2004, 1:04 PM
We'll see--I have heard you can do it with Sprint PCS phones even though it's "not allowed". T-Mobile is pretty low-key about it too, they give away unlimited GPRS WAP for free.
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muchdrama

Jul 16, 2004, 2:02 PM
jonknee said:
We'll see--I have heard you can do it with Sprint PCS phones even though it's "not allowed". T-Mobile is pretty low-key about it too, they give away unlimited GPRS WAP for free.
Actually, I don't think we'll see. You can expect ATTWS to crack down on "misuse" of WCDMA data. And I don't blame them. This is opening up a whole new revenue stream for them.
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cellboy

Jul 16, 2004, 5:05 PM
Yeah for all of 5 months, the thing that trips me out is they are sold and awaiting it to be "final" why even roll anything new out? my thoughts are this is a Cingular move in ATTWS clothing. I mean isnt Cingular supposed to be rolling out WCDMA next year? I do expect they will crack down because your right it will bring a lot of extra cash in. Maybe they will also start obeying FCC licensing agreements too?
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muchdrama

Jul 16, 2004, 5:38 PM
cellboy said:
Yeah for all of 5 months, the thing that trips me out is they are sold and awaiting it to be "final" why even roll anything new out? my thoughts are this is a Cingular move in ATTWS clothing. I mean isnt Cingular supposed to be rolling out WCDMA next year? I do expect they will crack down because your right it will bring a lot of extra cash in. Maybe they will also start obeying FCC licensing agreements too?
This is actually an ATTWS move all the way. They made a deal with DoCoMo to roll out this technology since the Japanese company has a 16% stake in ATTWS. ATTWS has to keep competing as part of the deal they've made with Cingular. They couldn't just fold over and quit offering innovative servi...
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cellboy

Jul 16, 2004, 5:41 PM
I hear ya and i read the lip service they gave to staying competative. but have you checked the website lately? i have i have to every week as a comp shop we do to see that we are staying in the thick of things. and they are giving away the farm. and the horse inside when it comes to handsets. and they havent had a good plan offering in at least 5 months. I feel ya on the deal with docomo and i know about it but i dont for one second believe this wasnt also a nice plus for cingular.
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muchdrama

Jul 17, 2004, 9:25 AM
cellboy said:
I hear ya and i read the lip service they gave to staying competative. but have you checked the website lately? i have i have to every week as a comp shop we do to see that we are staying in the thick of things. and they are giving away the farm. and the horse inside when it comes to handsets. and they havent had a good plan offering in at least 5 months. I feel ya on the deal with docomo and i know about it but i dont for one second believe this wasnt also a nice plus for cingular.
Sure. Walking into a deal that includes four markets running WCDMA is a plus. But you're offbase about ATTWS offering great deals on their phones. Those deals are designed to bring in customers. When you lose so many ...
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cellboy

Jul 17, 2004, 9:33 AM
Do you work for ATTWS?..lol All joking aside i already have service with the company i work for and had ATTWS for the year and a half i worked for them. I guess you could look st it as staying competative by giving away everything in your store... I guess. But the problem with the price points is that if you do a comp shop with say cingular and t-mobile and even my company which Rich does not want me to promote they are much better,and i understand that they lost a crap load of customers to WNP and the fact that they fumbled the GSM launch all over the field. But i just cant see them being "competative".
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muchdrama

Jul 17, 2004, 2:05 PM
cellboy said:
Do you work for ATTWS?..lol All joking aside i already have service with the company i work for and had ATTWS for the year and a half i worked for them. I guess you could look st it as staying competative by giving away everything in your store... I guess. But the problem with the price points is that if you do a comp shop with say cingular and t-mobile and even my company which Rich does not want me to promote they are much better,and i understand that they lost a crap load of customers to WNP and the fact that they fumbled the GSM launch all over the field. But i just cant see them being "competative".
They're not giving the store away. They're subsidizing heavily. Wouldn't you after losing 367...
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cellboy

Jul 17, 2004, 2:09 PM
After losing 367,000 aps id sell myself to the highest bidder because there is something im not doing right...oh wait thats what they did.
I dont feel sorry for them believe you me, and i do agree that they will make the money back in higher price points and feature revenue. But "subsidizing heavily"? Just say it with me.. giving..the..store..away. But i guess you could just chalk this up to different views on the same thing i mean either way you look at it they are gone in a year to a year and a half at most.
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muchdrama

Jul 17, 2004, 2:18 PM
cellboy said:
After losing 367,000 aps id sell myself to the highest bidder because there is something im not doing right...oh wait thats what they did.
I dont feel sorry for them believe you me, and i do agree that they will make the money back in higher price points and feature revenue. But "subsidizing heavily"? Just say it with me.. giving..the..store..away. But i guess you could just chalk this up to different views on the same thing i mean either way you look at it they are gone in a year to a year and a half at most.
Every carrier subsidizes the **** out of their phones. ATTWS is just being aggressive.
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cellboy

Jul 17, 2004, 2:21 PM
i agree that every carrier subsidizes, believe me i know when I'm selling a customer a motorola v600 that cost me 399.00 and I'm selling it to them for 250.00. but I'm just saying that you couldn't go to any other carrier out there and see a mass subsidy like this. i mean be real here, ATTWS is giving it away, and they might have to so that they CAN be competitive. But that doesn't mean it doesn't give them the appearance at least of being desperate.
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muchdrama

Jul 17, 2004, 2:54 PM
cellboy said:
i agree that every carrier subsidizes, believe me i know when I'm selling a customer a motorola v600 that cost me 399.00 and I'm selling it to them for 250.00. but I'm just saying that you couldn't go to any other carrier out there and see a mass subsidy like this. i mean be real here, ATTWS is giving it away, and they might have to so that they CAN be competitive. But that doesn't mean it doesn't give them the appearance at least of being desperate.
Giving something away means getting nothing in return. See my point? ATTWS is making millions by subsidizing its phone.
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cellboy

Jul 17, 2004, 2:57 PM
I do see your point and i never said they weren't getting anything in return. My whole point has been that they are giving away the store to get people in, a move that other even smaller carriers don't have to do. But you have to ask yourself how much more could they be making if in fact they were being competitive and not just giving it away.
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muchdrama

Jul 17, 2004, 4:10 PM
cellboy said:
I do see your point and i never said they weren't getting anything in return. My whole point has been that they are giving away the store to get people in, a move that other even smaller carriers don't have to do. But you have to ask yourself how much more could they be making if in fact they were being competitive and not just giving it away.
Does this stuff go in one ear and out the other? I'm done with you.
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cellboy

Jul 17, 2004, 4:13 PM
No it does not go in one ear and out the other since you are typing not talking. If you want to discontinue our discussion because i have a point you have no counter to thats fine just say that don't get involved in degrading my knowledge about the industry.
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badsky2k

Jul 16, 2004, 2:24 PM
You guys might want to remember who is taking this over at the end of September. ATTWS does have the lead on the data side for now, but let Cingular get their hands on it and..... 😳
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muchdrama

Jul 16, 2004, 5:39 PM
badsky2k said:
You guys might want to remember who is taking this over at the end of September. ATTWS does have the lead on the data side for now, but let Cingular get their hands on it and..... 😳
What's your point? ATTWS is offering WCDMA in four markets before Cingular offers it in one.
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cellboy

Jul 16, 2004, 5:42 PM
I think his point is, that ATTWS cant DO anything with it because they wont be around long enough to see any great results.
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muchdrama

Jul 17, 2004, 9:58 AM
cellboy said:
I think his point is, that ATTWS cant DO anything with it because they wont be around long enough to see any great results.
Do you see this buyout/merger happening immediately? 'Cause I sure don't. Don't expect this merger to happen till sometime early 2005 or later.
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cellboy

Jul 17, 2004, 10:07 AM
Well first off i dont think its fair to call it a merger since they arent really merging. bcs/Bellsouth is buying ATTWS. Also it is set to be finalized this 4th quarter and i would assume very shortly after maybe first quarter or second quarter 2005 it should be taken care of. Ive talked to some Cingular people on the west coast that say they are already sending the bills to ATTWS customers out there. And even if it took till fourth Quarter 2005 thats still pretty quick.
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muchdrama

Jul 17, 2004, 2:14 PM
cellboy said:
Well first off i dont think its fair to call it a merger since they arent really merging. bcs/Bellsouth is buying ATTWS. Also it is set to be finalized this 4th quarter and i would assume very shortly after maybe first quarter or second quarter 2005 it should be taken care of. Ive talked to some Cingular people on the west coast that say they are already sending the bills to ATTWS customers out there. And even if it took till fourth Quarter 2005 thats still pretty quick.
That's why I referred to it as a buyout/merger. Cingular bought out ATTWS, and they'll be merging the two networks. If this merger is finalized 4th quarter, I'll buy you a steak.
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cellboy

Jul 17, 2004, 2:18 PM
You might well owe me one, Rich on this very site in the press release said it was set to be finalized by the sec the fourth quarter of this year, now thats not to say the shirts will change from black to orange over night just that the legal aspects of handover will be complete. I know first hand of what it takes to go through a change of ownership as i was working for primeco when verizon bought them in louisisna and i was working for bellsouth when they merged and formed cingular.
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viper

Jul 16, 2004, 12:59 PM
WCDMA FDD does not have the capacity to support many high speed users unless you deploy many channels, which i don't think AT&T will do. You are talking about 3 to 5 384 kbps per cell for a single downstream 5 MHz channel and you are finished. that is the problem with UMTS, at least the release 99/ release 4 stuff that is out there today.

Thus, i wonder why the $25 price. Perhaps the price is an indication of the expected demand from consumers, which will likely be very low.

The price might also be a function of the value of the service which is minimal to most ATT customrs since it is only available in a handful of cities. The consumer service may also have a practical bandwidth limit. Some of the early UMTS phones only supported 64 ...
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